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Duca - Zettai Darli'n [Taiko]

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Charlotte
gratz :)
kouzuki_karen
Congratulations :)
Koiyuki
gratz!
Xiaolin
gratz ~
aabc271
Congrats ٩(๑>◡<๑)۶
Topic Starter
toara_fict
Thanks All !!! ٩(๑>◡<๑)۶


My Best birthday \:3/
mingmichael
お誕生日おめでとう! :D
Topic Starter
toara_fict

mingmichael wrote:

お誕生日おめでとう! :D
ありがとうm1ng :D
OnosakiHito

Reason for Disqualification


  1. Disqualified for an uneven spread between lower and higher difficulties which is caused by the higher density in Muzukashii due to missing rest moments. Futsuu differs here a lot. Have one example of many, from 00:28:385 to 00:34:032 - :




  2. Also disqualified for the difficulty in Kantan and Futsuu. Certain patterns are pretty long and should be reduced in their lenght. I will give down below examples:
  1. (Kantan) 00:16:385 (10) - For example, this could be deleted to prevent having long pattern constellations.
    Or 01:18:502 - and 01:31:208 -
  2. (Futsuu) 00:10:738 ~ 00:26:267 - 00:17:797 (15) - and 00:23:444 (28) - could be deleted.
  3. (Muzukashii) To prevent having too long patterns which become at the end difficulty, you can delete for examples notes like 00:25:914 (55) - and 00:31:561 (76) - . Muzukashii of course requiers some more removals, so it comes closer to lower difficulties but I didn't gave so many examples because, I would probably change your patterns too much, so I leave it to you.

The cause of this is the way you map. You map a lot to vocals which make the difficulties be automatically harder. Especially Muzukashii. Muzukashii is mapped on 1/2+1/1, and without breaks, this difficulty can become quick much harder than Futsuu and Kantan. But well, it isn't that urgent as one might think. Overall, the set is alright. So don't worry too much.

Sorry for DQ on last day, but we had to talk about this in QAT forum first.
And giving an additional mod at this time is a bit hard at this time, so I will leave it for now to the BNs.
Topic Starter
toara_fict

OnosakiHito wrote:

Reason for Disqualification


  1. Disqualified for an uneven spread between lower and higher difficulties which is caused by the higher density in Muzukashii due to missing rest moments. Futsuu differs here a lot. Have one example of many, from 00:28:385 to 00:34:032 - :




  2. Also disqualified for the difficulty in Kantan and Futsuu. Certain patterns are pretty long and should be reduced in their lenght. I will give down below examples:
  1. (Kantan) 00:16:385 (10) - For example, this could be deleted to prevent having long pattern constellations.
    Or 01:18:502 - and 01:31:208 -
  2. (Futsuu) 00:10:738 ~ 00:26:267 - 00:17:797 (15) - and 00:23:444 (28) - could be deleted.
  3. (Muzukashii) To prevent having too long patterns which become at the end difficulty, you can delete for examples notes like 00:25:914 (55) - and 00:31:561 (76) - . Muzukashii of course requiers some more removals, so it comes closer to lower difficulties but I didn't gave so many examples because, I would probably change your patterns too much, so I leave it to you.

The cause of this is the way you map. You map a lot to vocals which make the difficulties be automatically harder. Especially Muzukashii. Muzukashii is mapped on 1/2+1/1, and without breaks, this difficulty can become quick much harder than Futsuu and Kantan. But well, it isn't that urgent as one might think. Overall, the set is alright. So don't worry too much.

Sorry for DQ on last day, but we had to talk about this in QAT forum first.
And giving an additional mod at this time is a bit hard at this time, so I will leave it for now to the BNs.
waa last day .. :(

:idea: modification place ( Delete notes. )
Kantan 3 notes :arrow: 00:16:385 (10) - 00:31:561 (76) - 00:25:914 (55) -
Futsuu 2 notes :arrow: 00:17:797 (15) - 00:23:444 (28) -
Muzukashii 11 notes :arrow: 00:25:914 (55) - 00:26:444 (56) - 00:30:149 (69) - 00:31:561 (73) - 00:32:091 (74) - 00:48:502 (137) - 00:49:032 (138) - 00:52:738 (152) - 00:54:149 (157) - 00:54:679 (158) - 00:55:914 (162) -
Topic Starter
toara_fict
Remap & Update.

Mod / BN request.


:arrow:
-Sh1n1-
:( Go Go Don't give up. GL toara
Julie
Sorry I'm so late XD
[Kantan]

01:23:444 (96) - remove finish, feel more impact on this 01:24:855 (97) -

[/notice]

[Futsuu]

00:38:267 (59) - move to 00:38:091 - , this is where it have piano and vocal, since you been following vocal 00:38:620 (60,61,62,63) - , keep same rhythm.

00:41:444 (65) - move to 00:41:620 - , following piano with 00:41:973 (66,67,68) - , also the "do" in "doki"~, like this 00:41:091 - xD doki dokiii~

[Muzukashii]

00:31:032 (71,72) - ctrl+g, 00:31:032 (71) - should follow 00:29:973 (68,69,70) - and 00:31:208 (72) - for piano chord?

[Oni]

00:21:238 - add d, should flow like this 00:20:620 (47,48,49) - ~

01:14:532 (293) - move it here 01:14:355 - , since no sound ><. Should be like how you did here 01:17:179 - :3

[Judy's Oni]

00:37:738 (148,149) - same sound. 00:37:738 (148,149,150) - should be different from 00:38:444 (151,152,153) - .

00:45:238 - add k? same drum as 00:45:149 -

01:21:326 (128) - k?

had the old version, and check the one you deleted, should be fine~
Topic Starter
toara_fict

Julie wrote:

Sorry I'm so late XD
[Kantan]

01:23:444 (96) - remove finish, feel more impact on this 01:24:855 (97) - okey.

[/notice]

[Futsuu]

00:38:267 (59) - move to 00:38:091 - , this is where it have piano and vocal, since you been following vocal 00:38:620 (60,61,62,63) - , keep same rhythm. okay

00:41:444 (65) - move to 00:41:620 - , following piano with 00:41:973 (66,67,68) - , also the "do" in "doki"~, like this 00:41:091 - xD doki dokiii~ okeey xd

[Muzukashii]

00:31:032 (71,72) - ctrl+g, 00:31:032 (71) - should follow 00:29:973 (68,69,70) - and 00:31:208 (72) - for piano chord? okay. 00:53:620 (143,144) - some change

[Oni]

00:21:238 - add d, should flow like this 00:20:620 (47,48,49) - ~ nope. It has deliberately delete the Notes http://puu.sh/hRKCk/606541f6f2.jpg ( The sound that can pick )

01:14:532 (293) - move it here 01:14:355 - , since no sound ><. Should be like how you did here 01:17:179 - :3 okay. 01:25:826 (360) - some

had the old version, and check the one you deleted, should be fine~
tyty Kennsai san :3v
JUDYDANNY
"Julie"
[Judy's Oni]


00:37:738 (148,149) - same sound. 00:37:738 (148,149,150) - should be different from 00:38:444 (151,152,153) - . :arrow: uum?

00:45:238 - add k? same drum as 00:45:149 - :arrow: backbase low-tone not sounds. variation is ok.

01:21:326 (128) - k? :arrow: still sounds a little high-tone, but I guess it's not important to put k , sounds very weak.
rename JUDYDANNY>>>Judy lol/
Thanks for mod :)
Julie

Bubble~
Topic Starter
toara_fict

Julie wrote:

Oups LOL!

Bubble~


Now let's go yell at Love =w=!!
tyty Kennsai san <3
Yuzeyun
LOVE GIT YER BUTT HERE
is that k
Love
hi, soon™
Topic Starter
toara_fict
:!: :!: :!:
Love
[JuDa's Oni]

  1. 00:38:797 (153) - Change this to a k for the piano and just to differ a little from the previous pattern.
  2. 01:09:149 (51,52) - Ctrl+G this so that this brings a little more variety in this section instead of just having it at the end.
  3. 01:09:149 (51,52) - [b]this part in general feels a bit awkward to play. Try doing kkd and ddk respectively so that this part feels a lot smoother to play. (would be D D kkd K K ddk D)
  4. 01:47:267 (304) - Change this to a k for the quiet hi-hat and to differ from the mekkadons after.
[Oni]

  1. 00:21:149 (51,52) - Ctrl+G these to switch them around, this will fit the drums that are present here and not end this part so blandly.
  2. 00:33:679 - This feels really empty since you've been using the drums mostly and then you have a random vocal break here. What you should do is just have k k d d k from 00:33:679 to 00:34:385.
  3. 01:19:738 (324) - Change this to a d for the lower vocal pitch here.
  4. 01:23:444 (347) - Remove the finisher on this since it doesn't need to be emphasized as much as 01:23:973 (351).
[Muzukashii]

  1. 00:21:149 (37,38) - Ctrl+G these as well just like the Oni to fit the drums that are present and to keep this from being so bland.
  2. 01:18:149 (226) - Delete this since it's extra and there's no vocal here to emphasize. You left this blank on 01:29:444 as well so might as well remove it.
[Futsuu]

There's some missing necessary 4/1 breaks that could be incorporated into the map, so I'll just mainly think about those for a little.

  1. 00:20:267 (21,22,23,25) - Remove these for a nice break to follow the piano instead.
  2. 00:37:385 (54) - Move this to 00:38:797 for the piano and vocal here that could be used to create another long break since this switches to a slower part.
  3. 00:44:267 - 00:46:032 - Try doing this to help with a transition as well as another break: Delete 00:44:267 (67), change 00:44:620 to a k, and delete
  4. 00:46:032. This will be all together.
  5. 01:05:797 (111) - Delete this so that the next vocal can be alone.
  6. 01:08:620 (115,117) - Delete these for 4/1 breaks as well.
  7. 01:13:914 (124) - Delete this since 01:25:208 is empty to keep consistency.
The random switch from 1/1 to 1/2 vocals feels really off instead of incorporating 1/2 throughout the map. Rhythm just keeps switching out of nowhere instead of staying consistent, it feels really bland then out of nowhere the 1/2 vocals that I start liking get put in, then it goes back to 1/1 off-rhythm notes. This is only my opinion, but you could've done better.

[Kantan]

  • Nothing here, just might be able to fit some 1/2 beats with some of the 1/1 off-beat vocals.
JUDYDANNY

Love wrote:

[JuDa's Oni]
  1. 01:47:267 (304) - Change this to a k for the quiet hi-hat and to differ from the mekkadons after.
    :arrow:removed 01:47:267 (304) - instead of your suggestion.
    Intro part (e.g. 00:16:914 (34) - , 00:19:738 (52) - ) hits low-tone base sounds, but 01:47:267- doesn't.


    :arrow: 01:04:561 - changed to don by myself. low-tone base and drums sounds not high.

    :arrow: The others are fixed as your suggestion :D
Thanks, Love. :)

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Topic Starter
toara_fict

Love wrote:

[Oni]

  1. 00:21:149 (51,52) - Ctrl+G these to switch them around, this will fit the drums that are present here and not end this part so blandly. okay.
  2. 00:33:679 - This feels really empty since you've been using the drums mostly and then you have a random vocal break here. What you should do is just have k k d d k from 00:33:679 to 00:34:385. Chenge k * d d k :3
  3. 01:19:738 (324) - Change this to a d for the lower vocal pitch here. okay,
  4. 01:23:444 (347) - Remove the finisher on this since it doesn't need to be emphasized as much as 01:23:973 (351).okay.
[Muzukashii]

  1. 00:21:149 (37,38) - Ctrl+G these as well just like the Oni to fit the drums that are present and to keep this from being so bland.okay.
  2. 01:18:149 (226) - Delete this since it's extra and there's no vocal here to emphasize. You left this blank on 01:29:444 as well so might as well remove it.okay.
[Futsuu]

There's some missing necessary 4/1 breaks that could be incorporated into the map, so I'll just mainly think about those for a little.

  1. 00:20:267 (21,22,23,25) - Remove these for a nice break to follow the piano instead.
  2. 00:37:385 (54) - Move this to 00:38:797 for the piano and vocal here that could be used to create another long break since this switches to a slower part.
  3. 00:44:267 - 00:46:032 - Try doing this to help with a transition as well as another break: Delete 00:44:267 (67), change 00:44:620 to a k, and delete
  4. 00:46:032. This will be all together.
  5. 01:05:797 (111) - Delete this so that the next vocal can be alone.
  6. 01:08:620 (115,117) - Delete these for 4/1 breaks as well.
  7. 01:13:914 (124) - Delete this since 01:25:208 is empty to keep consistency.
The random switch from 1/1 to 1/2 vocals feels really off instead of incorporating 1/2 throughout the map. Rhythm just keeps switching out of nowhere instead of staying consistent, it feels really bland then out of nowhere the 1/2 vocals that I start liking get put in, then it goes back to 1/1 off-rhythm notes. This is only my opinion, but you could've done better.

all fix and change random switch patterns.

[Kantan]

  • Nothing here, just might be able to fit some 1/2 beats with some of the 1/1 off-beat vocals.
Thanks Love :3 Update.
Julie
I'll be back with Love again
Love
futsuu still doesn't seem right, I'll come back in to explain how it should be placed, also putting the bubble pop icon on the OP for the edit Julie made since the map isn't bubbled
Love
From now on Julie will continue on with the progress of this map, she should have the chatlog we talked about for the Futsuu. I'm way too busy to even proceed, I'm never home and I've been working 6 days a week. I'm very sorry for the wait, I just really wanted to get back too it.
Surono
i forget how2mod

[JuDa's Oni]
00:20:620 - this high *kat, 00:20:973 - this low *don. so i have suggestion, can you change kkd kdd or kdd ddd? XD

[Oni]
not see some to do..

[Muzukashii]
00:22:738 (44) - this stronk pitch, give finisher, 00:23:973 (48) - this too, 00:25:032 (52,53) - and this... give finisher too?

[Futsuu]
00:19:914 (20) - give finisher
00:25:208 (27) - finisher?

[Kantan]
about finisher? XD

lol sry, this already nice...
Topic Starter
toara_fict

Surono wrote:

i forget how2mod

[Oni]
not see some to do..

[Muzukashii]
00:22:738 (44) - this stronk pitch, give finisher,okay. 00:23:973 (48) - this too, 00:25:032 (52,53) - and this... give finisher too?

[Futsuu]
00:19:914 (20) - give finisher nope.
00:25:208 (27) - finisher? ^

[Kantan]
about finisher? XD Hmmm...

lol sry, this already nice...
thanks :3 Update
JUDYDANNY

Surono wrote:

[JuDa's Oni]
00:20:620 - this high *kat, 00:20:973 - this low *don. so i have suggestion, can you change kkd kdd or kdd ddd? XD
:arrow: prefer to keep the both triplets followed violins. it sounds not well followed the high sound area.
Thanks for mod :)
Little
Hope it gets ranked soon~
Topic Starter
toara_fict

CloudSplash16 wrote:

Hope it gets ranked soon~
Work hard ╭( ・ㅂ・)و
ManP
ツイッタから! 初心者ですけど頑張ってmodしてみようと思います!

Futsuu
  1. 00:59:091 ここにdとか置いてみてはどうでしょうか?
Muzukashii
  1. 01:17:835 change to d? 下がる音かなと思いました
  2. 01:23:797 add D? ここは拾ってもいいかなと思います
Juda’s oni
  1. 01:45:414(290,291) を1/4一つ右にずらして、d kdkにしてみるとかどうでしょうか?

Kantan Oni は言うこと無いと思いました;
ランクド頑張ってください :3
JUDYDANNY

ManP wrote:

Juda’s oni
  1. 01:45:414(290,291) を1/4一つ右にずらして、d kdkにしてみるとかどうでしょうか? :arrow: ドラム類のことを考えると音の粒が何も鳴っていない部分へとずらすのに抵抗があるのと,ずらすぐらいなら5連にした方が音圧に対してやさしいかな... ただ5連も曲調に対して助長しすぎているのでno changeで
Thanks for mod! :)
Topic Starter
toara_fict

ManP wrote:

ツイッタから! 初心者ですけど頑張ってmodしてみようと思います!

Futsuu
  1. 00:59:091 ここにdとか置いてみてはどうでしょうか?元々k置いてたんですがFutsuuなのでけしました;; no change.
Muzukashii
  1. 01:17:835 change to d? 下がる音かなと思いました 01:17:835に何もありませんでした・・・前後少し変えました!
  2. 01:23:797 add D? ここは拾ってもいいかなと思いますMuzuなおかつやさしめな曲なのでkeep. 元々は置いてたんですけどね・・・
Juda’s oni
  1. 01:45:414(290,291) を1/4一つ右にずらして、d kdkにしてみるとかどうでしょうか?

Kantan Oni は言うこと無いと思いました;
ランクド頑張ってください :3
Thanks for Mod :3 Update.
Topic Starter
toara_fict
Update tags.
JUDYDANNY
返事がない、ただのしかばねのようだ
趣旨
Spread強化(enhance the difficuly spread)
緩急強化(adjust ups and downs the more)

見ます見ますと言ってかれころ1か月以上も遅れてしまった上にTNAに投げてしまってたので全力でサポートします

[Introduction]Spreadなんですが
Oniはブレイクの間隔が1/1でほぼ統一されており,リズムがイントロで定まった部分でAメロ等で変化しているので
Muzuもそれに倣います

現MuzukashiiのAメロ等による休憩部分を一気にまず詰め込み、詰め込んだ部分の代案でより流れが壊れないような休憩部分を作成(Oni同様な1/1の間隔をより統一, 赤線上のノーツを少し減らす)
他パートの前後(特に00:37:561 -ここからクールダウンを作らせる体)で休憩を作る…そんな具合でまず見ていきます
且つ、playingによる流れが地味にOniと違うので,かなり気になった部分くらいは提案しておきます

その後
MuzukashiiとFutsuuの差を調整します
ので
Muzukashii >> Futsuuの順に調整見てもらえると助かります
[Muzukashii]

  • :idea: 緩急強化
  1. 00:15:679 – move to 00:15:855 – and d. 一貫性00:12:149 (4,5,6,7,8,9) -. この密度ならトランペットよりパターン重視の方がイントロにやさしいと思います
  2. 00:34:208 – move to 00:34:914 - . 手前のkddkは基本のリズムからかなり外れた変化形なので一度おちつかせるためにも基本リズムに戻してあげた方がより緩急に易しいです

  3. 00:37:208 – , 00:40:032 - Oniも同様, add d これまでのOniの密度を見てたら(1/2 の2連がそもそも少ない)ここにノーツがあっても緩急は自然
    1. And, 00:37:738 (45,46) – 休憩目的も兼用 , remove? 手前のボーカル 「こどもの」の部分がアップで切りやすいのと, 変化を何かしらここでつけるならここを削除するのが自然に感じます, はっきりとしたスネア、バスドラも聞こえにくいので違和感も少ないはず
  4. 00:40:561 - , 00:40:914 – same as above. 配色は00:41:091 -この辺とかはボーカル意識で変えてもいいかもしれない
  5. 00:56:797 – remove 、既に1st Aメロで説明済み
  6. 00:58:914 - 周辺に少しk混ぜた方がいいかも dが少しくどい感じがした
  7. 00:59:797 – add d
  8. 01:08:444 – add d
  9. 01:21:855 - 削除、 ボーカルが弱くなるからよりメリハリつきますの
  10. 01:14:444 – add d, イントロとの差異づくり
  11. 01:25:738 - ^


    :idea: Spread + 緩急+Break
  12. 00:23:091 – remove
    OniのAメロはどうしようもなくつまってるし、かといってMuzukashiiが削れるかっていうとAメロ前半部は消しようもないのでここが一番違和感ないと思った
  13. 00:25:914 – add k ,
    まぁ普通にメリハリ00:42:502 (108,109) –間との緩急がつけられるってのもあるけど今後のmapset作成のためにも難しいこともいっときます
    ここでまずOniについては
    d-k-ddkdとの流れはイントロ(00:11:444 -~),Aメロ共通でドラム基盤と変わらないリズム

    それに対してMuzukashiiはAメロからplayingによる決定的な流れの差異ができてしまいます spreadの整合ならここは必須.、 もしも詰めないなら00:26:267 –をkに変える、、そのような流れが必要(これは密度を1段階落としたdiff ,KantanとかFutsuu等でカバーできる流れの統一方法)
  14. 00:27:502 – ここを削除 気持ち抑えるパートを表現したいなら
  15. 00:30:326 – k に変えて(このkは個人的にイイかなと思っただけ) ,00:30:679 (70,71,72) –をOni同様に1/2でdkkd ..。じゃないな dk-dに変更
  16. 00:34:914 (34,35) – remove 2回目のAメロパートを見て思ったけど、ここは抑えられる
  17. 00:47:797 – remove, 休憩部分パートはここまでですよ~とよりはっきりさせるため
  18. 00:48:502 – add k, 00:54:149 - add k , 0:53:444 (92,93,94) –kkd , 00:54:502 (96) – d やんなぁ same as 1st Aメロ.
  19. 00:52:914 - k?
  20. 01:13:914 –, 01:25:208 - Aメロからの流れ云々で説明したとおり, add k
  21. 01:19:208 – から, 00:17:091 (23,24,25) –ここからのイントロと流れがまったく同じなんで クールダウンしてよろし
    1. 01:19:561 (233,234) - , 01:20:091 (236,237) - remove…01:20:267 - 01:20:620 - addかなぁ 1/1リズムで01:19:208 – からで d-dkみたいな
  22. 01:31:208 – d , 01:31:738 – move to 1/2 みぎ
  23. ちなみにkiaiパート抜け後の01:36:502 – は00:23:091 –で作ってるのでadd k しなくても大丈夫
  24. 01:01:914 – remove?

    提案全部とるこんな感じですよってことで[c Muzukashii]っていう別.osuで作っときましたhttp://puu.sh/k52Iu/75c21ddc06.osu

    すこしつまりすぎって感じもしますけど これぐらいにしとけば後は他のBNによる修正もたやすくなる
[Oni]
  1. 00:37:208 – , 00:40:032 – add d, Muzuで説明済み
  2. 00:47:973 – 削除かなぁ.. 00:45:149 –同様に
[Futsuu]

  • 前提として赤線配置は避けられません, OniとMuzukashiのkiaiとAメロの密度の差異が少ないのと曲がクソむずかしいので
    Muzukashiiをベースにした流れでパターン変更は出します

    まぁ結果1/2や肉付けが増える分大きな休憩部分もたくさん作るハメになるのでそれもまとめて入れときました

    緩急
  1. 00:15:679 - move to 00:15:502 – Muzuでもいったけど00:15:679 –のトランペットは基本的に一般プレイヤーからすれば聞き逃します 手前の配置と一致することの方が優先度が激高です
  2. 00:23:444 – remove ,
  3. 00:26:267 – change to k , Muzukashiiでいった通りです
  4. 00:26:620 – add d + 00:26:973 (35,36) – 1/2 左にずらし Muukashiiのリズムを踏襲させるため, あまりにも難易度差がひらきすぎてる
  5. 00:28:738 - move to 00:29:444 – and 00:29:797 (21,22) – move to 1/2 左
  6. and, 00:30:326 – add k , 00:29:091 – change to d
  7. 00:32:267 – add d, and 00:32:620 (28,29) – move to 1/2 左
  8. and 00:33:679 – add k
  9. 00:34:032 – change to d
  10. 00:34:385 – change to k
  11. 00:35:620 – remove, 休憩づくり similar e as Muzukashii.,
  12. 00:36:502 – add k
  13. 00:37:208 – , 00:40:032 - add d この場合は1/1間隔にした方がplayしやすくなるでしょう
  14. 00:38:091 – change to  d して↓
    • その後の00:38:620 (58,59,60,61) –は1/1ベースにしてあげるとか。。がいいかな あまり難しくさせなくていいと思います
    1. 00:38:797 (59,60) – move to 1/2 右
    2. 00:41:620 (65,66) – same , move to 1/2 右
  15. 00:43:208 –ここからFutsuuの緩急なら”2/1”ベースの5連でぐっとクールダウンできます
    1. 00:44:267 – remove, 00:44:620 (55,56) – kd
    2. 00:46:032 – remove
  16. 00:48:149 (61) - ~ ここからも1st Aメロと同じですね
    1. 00:49:208 – add d , 00:49:561 (64,65) – move to 1/2 左 , 00:50:091 – add 何か
    2. 00:51:326 - move to 00:52:032 (70) - , 00:52:385 (71,72,73) – move to 1/2 左
    3. 00:54:855 – add d, 00:55:208 (78,79,80) – move to 1/2 左
    4. 00:56:973 – add k , 00:56:620 – change to d ,
    5. 00:58:385 - add d , 00:58:738 - remove , 00:57:855 (100,101) - change to kdk?
  17. 00:59:444 –からも同じって思ったけど少し変えた方がいいか..
    1. 00:59:797 – add d
    2. 01:00:855 – move to 1/2 左 and change to d, 01:01:385 (95,96) – move to 1/2 右
    3. 01:04:208 (102,103) – move to 1/2 右
    4. 01:05:782 – add

    5. kiaiからだけど、 やっぱ01:13:914 –はボーカルのために外せないと思うな~ ここもパターン変更とノーツの詰め合わせが必要
      1. 01:13:914 –add d?
      2. 01:14:267 – ここらはイントロと同じく k
      3. 01:14:973 – move to 1/2 左 イントロ部同様
      4. 01:15:326 – add d
      5. 01:17:444 – ここからadd 1/2 dk
      6. 01:17:797 (134,135) – 1/2 右, 01:18:502 (1,2) – remove.
    6. 01:20:091 (138,139) –ここらもイントロの部分、Muzukashii同様に1/1ベースでokなパート
      1. 01:20:091 (138,139) – remove, 01:20:620 – addd , 01:19:914 – change to k
      2. 01:22:385 (142,143) – move to “1/1” 右
    7. 01:25:208 -~もうせつめいもイラン気がするけど
      1. 01:25:208 –add d, 01:25:561 – change to k , 01:26:267 – move to 1/2 左
      2. 01:26:620 – add d
      3. 01:28:738 – add 1/2 dk, 01:29:091 (161,162) – move to 1/2 右, change to kd , 01:29:797 (163) – remove.
      4. 01:30:855 – remove
      5. 01:31:561 (165,166) – remove , 01:31:914 – add d
      6. 01:34:032 (177,178,179) – move to 1/2 左, 配色をそしてkkdに + 01:33:679 – add d,
        01:33:326 –ここからD dk-k-dって感じですね, ボーカルに忠実
    8. 01:38:973 - ~01:44:620 - は00:23:973 (8,9,10,11,12) –とほぼ同じhttp://puu.sh/k57bQ/8457fefff6.jpgこーんな具合でいけるでしょう



      正直まだAメロ後半部はMuzuとのspread差がかなり不安だけど、他のBNやmodderに任せた方がいいかも

      Muzukashii同様に[c Futsuu] .osuつくっときました
      http://puu.sh/k57lY/0993c41543.osu
      ノーツ10増えてSR2.12ですまじかよ
もちろんまだWIP.
Kantanもこれから見る (IRCで?)
こんなパッタン使えねぇ思ったらkudosuなしでいいです

@To Viewers
  1. Diffs under Muzukashii ,This map has serious issue on based. (e.g. nothing 01:13:914 - ) This issue needs to improve, and I suggested for this time.
  2. Futsuu has huge difficuly spread with Muzukashii, and This has "too less 1/2s" , so I suggest toara to much "add" , "move" suggestions.
  3. But, I'm still not sure a little about the spread. If you noticed something, please suggest to toara!>_<
Topic Starter
toara_fict

JUDYDANNY wrote:

返事がない、ただのしかばねのようだ
趣旨
Spread強化(enhance the difficuly spread)
緩急強化(adjust ups and downs the more)

見ます見ますと言ってかれころ1か月以上も遅れてしまった上にTNAに投げてしまってたので全力でサポートします いや~投げるんじゃなかったっすw

[Introduction]Spreadなんですが
Oniはブレイクの間隔が1/1でほぼ統一されており,リズムがイントロで定まった部分でAメロ等で変化しているので
Muzuもそれに倣います

現MuzukashiiのAメロ等による休憩部分を一気にまず詰め込み、詰め込んだ部分の代案でより流れが壊れないような休憩部分を作成(Oni同様な1/1の間隔をより統一, 赤線上のノーツを少し減らす)
他パートの前後(特に00:37:561 -ここからクールダウンを作らせる体)で休憩を作る…そんな具合でまず見ていきます
且つ、playingによる流れが地味にOniと違うので,かなり気になった部分くらいは提案しておきます

その後
MuzukashiiとFutsuuの差を調整します
ので
Muzukashii >> Futsuuの順に調整見てもらえると助かります
[Muzukashii]

  • :idea: 緩急強化
  1. 00:15:679 – move to 00:15:855 – and d. 一貫性00:12:149 (4,5,6,7,8,9) -. この密度ならトランペットよりパターン重視の方がイントロにやさしいと思います
  2. 00:34:208 – move to 00:34:914 - . 手前のkddkは基本のリズムからかなり外れた変化形なので一度おちつかせるためにも基本リズムに戻してあげた方がより緩急に易しいです

  3. 00:37:208 – , 00:40:032 - Oniも同様, add d これまでのOniの密度を見てたら(1/2 の2連がそもそも少ない)ここにノーツがあっても緩急は自然 Oniもいじった
    1. And, 00:37:738 (45,46) – 休憩目的も兼用 , remove? 手前のボーカル 「こどもの」の部分がアップで切りやすいのと, 変化を何かしらここでつけるならここを削除するのが自然に感じます, はっきりとしたスネア、バスドラも聞こえにくいので違和感も少ないはず
  4. 00:40:561 - , 00:40:914 – same as above. 配色は00:41:091 -この辺とかはボーカル意識で変えてもいいかもしれない ok kdkd
  5. 00:56:797 – remove 、既に1st Aメロで説明済み こっちにむーぶした00:57:502 (156) -
  6. 00:58:914 - 周辺に少しk混ぜた方がいいかも dが少しくどい感じがした
  7. 00:59:797 – add d
  8. 01:08:444 – add d
  9. 01:21:855 - 削除、 ボーカルが弱くなるからよりメリハリつきますの
  10. 01:14:444 – add d, イントロとの差異づくり
  11. 01:25:738 - ^


    :idea: Spread + 緩急+Break
  12. 00:23:091 – remove
    OniのAメロはどうしようもなくつまってるし、かといってMuzukashiiが削れるかっていうとAメロ前半部は消しようもないのでここが一番違和感ないと思った
  13. 00:25:914 – add k ,
    まぁ普通にメリハリ00:42:502 (108,109) –間との緩急がつけられるってのもあるけど今後のmapset作成のためにも難しいこともいっときます
    ここでまずOniについては
    d-k-ddkdとの流れはイントロ(00:11:444 -~),Aメロ共通でドラム基盤と変わらないリズム

    それに対してMuzukashiiはAメロからplayingによる決定的な流れの差異ができてしまいます spreadの整合ならここは必須.、 もしも詰めないなら00:26:267 –をkに変える、、そのような流れが必要(これは密度を1段階落としたdiff ,KantanとかFutsuu等でカバーできる流れの統一方法)
  14. 00:27:502 – ここを削除 気持ち抑えるパートを表現したいなら
  15. 00:30:326 – k に変えて(このkは個人的にイイかなと思っただけ) ,00:30:679 (70,71,72) –をOni同様に1/2でdkkd ..。じゃないな dk-dに変更 ok Oniもchange
  16. 00:34:914 (34,35) – remove 2回目のAメロパートを見て思ったけど、ここは抑えられる
  17. 00:47:797 – remove, 休憩部分パートはここまでですよ~とよりはっきりさせるため
  18. 00:48:502 – add k, 00:54:149 - add k , 0:53:444 (92,93,94) –kkd , 00:54:502 (96) – d やんなぁ same as 1st Aメロ.
  19. 00:52:914 - k?
  20. 01:13:914 –, 01:25:208 - Aメロからの流れ云々で説明したとおり, add k
  21. 01:19:208 – から, 00:17:091 (23,24,25) –ここからのイントロと流れがまったく同じなんで クールダウンしてよろし
    1. 01:19:561 (233,234) - , 01:20:091 (236,237) - remove…01:20:267 - 01:20:620 - addかなぁ 1/1リズムで01:19:208 – からで d-dkみたいな
  22. 01:31:208 – d , 01:31:738 – move to 1/2 みぎ
  23. ちなみにkiaiパート抜け後の01:36:502 – は00:23:091 –で作ってるのでadd k しなくても大丈夫
  24. 01:01:914 – remove?

    提案全部とるこんな感じですよってことで[c Muzukashii]っていう別.osuで作っときましたhttp://puu.sh/k52Iu/75c21ddc06.osu

    すこしつまりすぎって感じもしますけど これぐらいにしとけば後は他のBNによる修正もたやすくなる
[Oni]
  1. 00:37:208 – , 00:40:032 – add d, Muzuで説明済み
  2. 00:47:973 – 削除かなぁ.. 00:45:149 –同様に
[Futsuu]

  • 前提として赤線配置は避けられません, OniとMuzukashiのkiaiとAメロの密度の差異が少ないのと曲がクソむずかしいので
    Muzukashiiをベースにした流れでパターン変更は出します

    まぁ結果1/2や肉付けが増える分大きな休憩部分もたくさん作るハメになるのでそれもまとめて入れときました

    緩急
  1. 00:15:679 - move to 00:15:502 – Muzuでもいったけど00:15:679 –のトランペットは基本的に一般プレイヤーからすれば聞き逃します 手前の配置と一致することの方が優先度が激高です
  2. 00:23:444 – remove ,
  3. 00:26:267 – change to k , Muzukashiiでいった通りです
  4. 00:26:620 – add d + 00:26:973 (35,36) – 1/2 左にずらし Muukashiiのリズムを踏襲させるため, あまりにも難易度差がひらきすぎてる
  5. 00:28:738 - move to 00:29:444 – and 00:29:797 (21,22) – move to 1/2 左
  6. and, 00:30:326 – add k , 00:29:091 – change to d
  7. 00:32:267 – add d, and 00:32:620 (28,29) – move to 1/2 左
  8. and 00:33:679 – add k
  9. 00:34:032 – change to d
  10. 00:34:385 – change to k
  11. 00:35:620 – remove, 休憩づくり similar e as Muzukashii.,
  12. 00:36:502 – add k
  13. 00:37:208 – , 00:40:032 - add d この場合は1/1間隔にした方がplayしやすくなるでしょう
  14. 00:38:091 – change to  d して↓
    • その後の00:38:620 (58,59,60,61) –は1/1ベースにしてあげるとか。。がいいかな あまり難しくさせなくていいと思います
    1. 00:38:797 (59,60) – move to 1/2 右
    2. 00:41:620 (65,66) – same , move to 1/2 右
  15. 00:43:208 –ここからFutsuuの緩急なら”2/1”ベースの5連でぐっとクールダウンできます
    1. 00:44:267 – remove, 00:44:620 (55,56) – kd
    2. 00:46:032 – remove
  16. 00:48:149 (61) - ~ ここからも1st Aメロと同じですね
    1. 00:49:208 – add d , 00:49:561 (64,65) – move to 1/2 左 , 00:50:091 – add 何か nanika ha k de
    2. 00:51:326 - move to 00:52:032 (70) - , 00:52:385 (71,72,73) – move to 1/2 左
    3. 00:54:855 – add d, 00:55:208 (78,79,80) – move to 1/2 左
    4. 00:56:973 – add k , 00:56:620 – change to d ,
    5. 00:58:385 - add d , 00:58:738 - remove , 00:57:855 (100,101) - change to kdk?
  17. 00:59:444 –からも同じって思ったけど少し変えた方がいいか..
    1. 00:59:797 – add d
    2. 01:00:855 – move to 1/2 左 and change to d, 01:01:385 (95,96) – move to 1/2 右
    3. 01:04:208 (102,103) – move to 1/2 右
    4. 01:05:782 – add d あっど

    5. kiaiからだけど、 やっぱ01:13:914 –はボーカルのために外せないと思うな~ ここもパターン変更とノーツの詰め合わせが必要
      1. 01:13:914 –add d?
      2. 01:14:267 – ここらはイントロと同じく k
      3. 01:14:973 – move to 1/2 左 イントロ部同様
      4. 01:15:326 – add d
      5. 01:17:444 – ここからadd 1/2 dk
      6. 01:17:797 (134,135) – 1/2 右, 01:18:502 (1,2) – remove.
    6. 01:20:091 (138,139) –ここらもイントロの部分、Muzukashii同様に1/1ベースでokなパート
      1. 01:20:091 (138,139) – remove, 01:20:620 – addd , 01:19:914 – change to k
      2. 01:22:385 (142,143) – move to “1/1” 右
    7. 01:25:208 -~もうせつめいもイラン気がするけど
      1. 01:25:208 –add d, 01:25:561 – change to k , 01:26:267 – move to 1/2 左
      2. 01:26:620 – add d
      3. 01:28:738 – add 1/2 dk, 01:29:091 (161,162) – move to 1/2 右, change to kd , 01:29:797 (163) – remove.
      4. 01:30:855 – remove
      5. 01:31:561 (165,166) – remove , 01:31:914 – add d
      6. 01:34:032 (177,178,179) – move to 1/2 左, 配色をそしてkkdに + 01:33:679 – add d,
        01:33:326 –ここからD dk-k-dって感じですね, ボーカルに忠実
    8. 01:38:973 - ~01:44:620 - は00:23:973 (8,9,10,11,12) –とほぼ同じhttp://puu.sh/k57bQ/8457fefff6.jpgこーんな具合でいけるでしょう



      正直まだAメロ後半部はMuzuとのspread差がかなり不安だけど、他のBNやmodderに任せた方がいいかも

      Muzukashii同様に[c Futsuu] .osuつくっときました
      http://puu.sh/k57lY/0993c41543.osu
      ノーツ10増えてSR2.12ですまじかよ
もちろんまだWIP.
Kantanもこれから見る (IRCで?)
こんなパッタン使えねぇ思ったらkudosuなしでいいです

@To Viewers
  1. Diffs under Muzukashii ,This map has serious issue on based. (e.g. nothing 01:13:914 - ) This issue needs to improve, and I suggested for this time.
  2. Futsuu has huge difficuly spread with Muzukashii, and This has "too less 1/2s" , so I suggest toara to much "add" , "move" suggestions.
  3. But, I'm still not sure a little about the spread. If you noticed something, please suggest to toara!>_<
とりあえずりじぇくとされたとこ的確についてたから相当違和感とかない限りはChangeしてったら結局全部変えたみたいなかんじになりました 

何も書いてないとこはChange. 書いてると子はChange + α になってます
xtrem3x
Request via ... .-.

_____________________________________________________

General:

ALL Suggestions are based in notorious sounds (other reason is with comments)

don = d
kat = k
Big Don = D
Big Kat = K

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Kantan:

01:18:502 - Add note (much empty space in kiai time D: )
01:23:797 - Same reason ^
01:24:149 - Same ^
01:34:032 - Same ^

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Futsuu:

01:13:914 - Change to k (same as Muzukashii "Ze-ttai!" )

01:20:444 - Is better change to d this note why not same as next pair notes in pitch sound

01:25:208 - add k (missing note?)

01:31:738 - this and next note Move 1 line rear (in this part have a notorious broken sequence and flow, is better this change accoirding vocal sound and possible lite drums)

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Muzukashii:

00:50:444 - 2 options .-. - 1) Change these 4-note for dkdk (for emphasis in lite drums) / 2) Change for dddk (emphasis in last note a high sound)

00:53:620 (141,142) - ctrl+g (in this part is better swap this notes for notorious sound in vocal as 2nd an 3rd note, in 4th note is a hit drum)

00:56:091 (150,151) - ctrl+g (in this part 3rd note is high vocal sound and 4th note is a notorious hit drum)

00:57:326 (154,155) - Change to k (no have a notorious Hit sound in these 2-notes, in next 2 notes have these Hit and is correct)

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Oni:

00:36:855 - Is possible remove finish in this note why not have notable hit sound for a sequence change of this way, also..
00:37:032 - Add d (if remove finish can add this note for fill this space, have lite drum) or Add k (same remove finish and combinated with vocal and lite drum is possible a better fluid with this note)

00:39:679 - Remove finish (same reason as 00:36:855- )
00:39:855 - Add note (same indications as 00:37:032- )

00:59:444 - In this note have cymbal for a finish note and is correct (-w-)b

00:59:620 - Add note (Same indications as 00:37:032- )
00:59:797 - Add d (is better repeat sequence as previous similar sequence with this sound)

01:02:267 - In this note not applies as 00:59:444- then Remove finish
01:02:444 - Add note (Same indications as 00:37:032- )

01:02:620 - ctrl+g with next note (is better repeat sequence, have same drum rhythm type)

01:03:767 - Move to 01:03:591- (the triple is better in this part)

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Juda's Oni

00:41:973 (167,168,169,170) - Invert colors (if follow vocal sound is better, and more notorious)

00:49:385 - Change to k (not different than the above sequences)
00:55:032 - Same ^

00:57:679 (246,247) - ctrl+g (same reason about follow vocal sound and is more fluid)

01:13:561 - is better change these 2-notes in D for D-K (is Low and High respectively "Ze-ttai!" comparing next pair 01:16:385- )
01:16:385 - Change these 2-notes in K for D (is low ^ )

01:24:855 - Same indication as 01:13:561-
01:27:679 - Same indication as 01:16:679-

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JUDYDANNY

xtrem3x wrote:

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Juda's Oni

00:41:973 (167,168,169,170) - Invert colors (if follow vocal sound is better, and more notorious)
:arrow: vatitied is only needed on 00:41:091 - , the other colors can be covered ,For fixing(returening) the sounds pressure. that's broken the consistency with drums flow. not prefer as Taiko sounds imo.

00:49:385 - Change to k (not different than the above sequences) :arrow: no change , the reason is same as above.
00:55:032 - Same ^ :arrow: same.

00:57:679 (246,247) - ctrl+g (same reason about follow vocal sound and is more fluid) :arrow: same.

01:13:561 - is better change these 2-notes in D for D-K (is Low and High respectively "Ze-ttai!" comparing next pair 01:16:385- ) :arrow: pitch is no changed.
01:16:385 - Change these 2-notes in K for D (is low ^ ) :arrow: same.

01:24:855 - Same indication as 01:13:561- :arrow: same.
01:27:679 - Same indication as 01:16:679- :arrow: same.

_____________________________________________________
Thanks for mod~.
Topic Starter
toara_fict

xtrem3x wrote:

[b]Request via ... .-.

_____________________________________________________

General:

ALL Suggestions are based in notorious sounds (other reason is with comments)

don = d
kat = k
Big Don = D
Big Kat = K

_____________________________________________________

Kantan:

01:18:502 - Add note (much empty space in kiai time D: )
01:23:797 - Same reason ^
01:24:149 - Same ^
01:34:032 - Same ^ Some fix

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Futsuu:

01:13:914 - Change to k (same as Muzukashii "Ze-ttai!" ) put d d

01:20:444 - Is better change to d this note why not same as next pair notes in pitch sound

01:25:208 - add k (missing note?)

01:31:738 - this and next note Move 1 line rear (in this part have a notorious broken sequence and flow, is better this change accoirding vocal sound and possible lite drums)

_____________________________________________________

Muzukashii:

00:50:444 - 2 options .-. - 1) Change these 4-note for dkdk (for emphasis in lite drums) / 2) Change for dddk (emphasis in last note a high sound) no change. put perttern

00:53:620 (141,142) - ctrl+g (in this part is better swap this notes for notorious sound in vocal as 2nd an 3rd note, in 4th note is a hit drum)

00:56:091 (150,151) - ctrl+g (in this part 3rd note is high vocal sound and 4th note is a notorious hit drum)

00:57:326 (154,155) - Change to k (no have a notorious Hit sound in these 2-notes, in next 2 notes have these Hit and is correct)

_____________________________________________________

Oni:

00:36:855 - Is possible remove finish in this note why not have notable hit sound for a sequence change of this way, also..
00:37:032 - Add d (if remove finish can add this note for fill this space, have lite drum) or Add k (same remove finish and combinated with vocal and lite drum is possible a better fluid with this note) keep

00:39:679 - Remove finish (same reason as 00:36:855- )
00:39:855 - Add note (same indications as 00:37:032- )keep

00:59:444 - In this note have cymbal for a finish note and is correct (-w-)b

00:59:620 - Add note (Same indications as 00:37:032- )
00:59:797 - Add d (is better repeat sequence as previous similar sequence with this sound)keep

01:02:267 - In this note not applies as 00:59:444- then Remove finish
01:02:444 - Add note (Same indications as 00:37:032- )keep

01:02:620 - ctrl+g with next note (is better repeat sequence, have same drum rhythm type)

01:03:767 - Move to 01:03:591- (the triple is better in this part)

_____________________________________________________
blue -> no change / other -> fix :3

Sorry late. thanks mod
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