So I've been playing this game for 2 weeks now I think. I play with mouse and I can do jumps on maps like big money or pony swag without to much trouble on insane difficulty. But when it comes to streams and where I have to start using 2 buttons consantly it gets messy. I use keyboard to press and do not press on my mouse at all. I tryed to play on maps where I have 3 or 4 in circles in a row rly fast and did quite good (at least for what I am used to right now) but when I use 2 buttons on the same map I get less accurate, I feel I have trouble. I think it will be impossibe at some point to only use 1 button so I rather get used pressing 2 before I get to a point where it will be to hard to change up.

Are there any good maps someone can recommend to train with? As I said I can do jumps quite fine up to AR 8.
Maps that are problematic for example are "Made of fire" or any maps of that kind where I have small streams all the time. I can pass streamy maps after a lot of plays but my accuracy is shit.

I know I only play this for a few weeks now, but I am a perfectionist by nature, I hate to hit brick walls, where u seem to be stuck, but I know it will get better sooner or later. I am a pretty fast with my mouse and eye hand coordination, because I played RTS games and shooter a lot. But clicking this many times (and be accurate at the same time) was never an issue for any game.

TL:DR New to the game, suck at streaming, need map recommendations and tipps to train accuracy on streams.
I doubt watching other ppl play would help, like in RTS games does it?

So I've been playing this game for 2 weeks now I think. I play with mouse and I can do jumps on maps like big money or pony swag without to much trouble on insane difficulty

FlyingKebab is that you?

Practice Maps - Short Streams

Practice Maps - Streams

Edit: Just stick to easier difficulties. It won't do you any good if you become a masher 2 weeks in.

Sojana wrote:

So I've been playing this game for 2 weeks now I think. I play with mouse and I can do jumps on maps like big money or pony swag without to much trouble

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Play slow maps with long streamy parts and learn the basics of the game before talking about maps not even the elite can call easy

A really good way to practice is to only play the map The Quick Brown Fox - The Big Black, use the mod no-fail if needed. I would aim for at the very least, 15% accuracy, but since you just started, anything more than 10% will be acceptable. Once you can get 30% accuracy and 30 combo, then you are now a good player, and should move straight on to FC'ing Team Nekokan - Can't Defeat Airman, then Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>, and maybe if you are good enough, the hardest map in the game, Lily - Scarlet Rose.

cheezstik wrote:

A really good way to practice is to only play the map The Quick Brown Fox - The Big Black, use the mod no-fail if needed. I would aim for at the very least, 15% accuracy, but since you just started, anything more than 10% will be acceptable. Once you can get 30% accuracy and 30 combo, then you are now a good player, and should move straight on to FC'ing Team Nekokan - Can't Defeat Airman, then Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>, and maybe if you are good enough, the hardest map in the game, Lily - Scarlet Rose.

This is pretty much the best you can do. Good luck and don't give up!

phonics wrote:

So I've been playing this game for 2 weeks now I think. I play with mouse and I can do jumps on maps like big money or pony swag without to much trouble on insane difficulty

FlyingKebab is that you?

woah bro why the salt

and pls stop misguiding the poor soul


and to op:
the links to practice maps have already been posted so i don't need to repost it again. but try to stick to maps you can get at least 85% on and not mash (like randomly aiming and tapping). because honestly, doing that is just a waste of time.

challenging yourself (playing harder maps above your skill level that you can barely pass) = improves reading skill

playing maps to fc (maps in your skill level) = improve consistency

you need to have a balance between these two in practice otherwise u wont improve as quickly as you want.
remember:: patience is the key. only playing more will help u.

Zare wrote:

Sojana wrote:

So I've been playing this game for 2 weeks now I think. I play with mouse and I can do jumps on maps like big money or pony swag without to much trouble

Stopped reading here









Play slow maps with long streamy parts and learn the basics of the game before talking about maps not even the elite can call easy

pretty sure he's not talking about BD's difficulty, and pony swag is easy even on dt

Get the basics right before thinking about learning streams lol

]So I've been playing this game for 2 weeks now I think. I play with mouse and I can do jumps on maps like big money or pony swag without to much trouble
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Stopped reading here

Idk what your problem is, either you not believing me. Or just beeing full retard.

Play slow maps with long streamy parts and learn the basics of the game before talking about maps not even the elite can call easy[/quote]

I didn't say it's easy, did I now? I said I can handle the maps somewhat (and I obviously didn't talk about the hardest difficulty ones, as I said before I am currebntly playing on (hard maps which I can pass 90% of the time) and insane maps. My jumping ability and aim over long and short distances is not bad at all, but when it comes to streams (where I have to start alternating it gets messy)

GoldenWolf wrote:

Get the basics right before thinking about learning streams lol

I think I am way above the basics (not wanna sound arrogant or something)

Nikkumi wrote:

Practice Maps - Short Streams

Practice Maps - Streams

Edit: Just stick to easier difficulties. It won't do you any good if you become a masher 2 weeks in.

Idk what "easier" does mean for you, I did try hard maps like "Big black" where my max was 25% but as I said I feel like having no real control it is just kinda smashy. My current aim is to beat "t+pazolite Against Gilgamesh" my best there was 61% without mods. I could upload a few replays if it helps analizing you where my current skill lvl might be or not be right now. Or just to check what I should avoid doing "if I do something retarded while playing"

I am not intimidated by harder maps, but I know that I can't possibly beat AR9 maps like scarlet rose in the near future (I'd have to be korean to be able to do that after 2 weeks lol) I can read maps on AR8 just fine, AR9 sometime gets messy, but I can do it in a couple maps I tryed, just the actual clicking becomes the problem for me.

phonics wrote:

So I've been playing this game for 2 weeks now I think. I play with mouse and I can do jumps on maps like big money or pony swag without to much trouble on insane difficulty

FlyingKebab is that you?

this

Sojana wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

Get the basics right before thinking about learning streams lol

I think I am way above the basics (not wanna sound arrogant or something)

Don't you DARE trying to tell us you're WAY ABOVE the basics when you CAN'T EVEN properly do the sub-basics dude.

Guys I've mastered the basics, tru story.

cheezstik wrote:

Guys I've mastered the basics, tru story.

I can't even.
Senpai teach me~

I can't even click the 1st note...

Read it as stay gay pony and big money first. I died a little. Then I realized that he was probably talking about 2 regular insanes and not 2 of the hardest popular maps that exist.

As for practicing streams the spreadsheets earlier linked are good practice, and for general tips make sure to go back and full combo easier maps every once in a while (atleast).

GoldenWolf wrote:

Sojana wrote:

I think I am way above the basics (not wanna sound arrogant or something)

Don't you DARE trying to tell us you're WAY ABOVE the basics when you CAN'T EVEN properly do the sub-basics dude.

Yoh check those scores. Definitely sub-basic.

Master sub-basic then move onto basic. Basic is too hard for you at the moment.

lol you're not even playing the game yet. I wouldn't even say I've got mastery of the basics. Most people here would (rightfully) consider me a huge noob.

cheezstik wrote:

Guys I've mastered the basics, tru story.

i still have a 60% accuracy on tutorial lol. 0 ss's on my profile

beginner (easy to hard maps)
normal (hard maps with mods to insane maps)
Advanced (insane maps with mods to ex maps)
Extreme (ex maps with mods)

Sojana and most players without scores at least at 130pp+ (arbitrary number) filling in their top performances are still beginners to this game.

Basically for new players you want to start pushing to play [hard] difficulty maps (2 to 3 stars) for about 5 months (arbitrary); from then it's progression like what I listed above. It's almost at an exponentially long time depending how quickly you grasp certain concepts about the game. Within two weeks you shouldn't be bummed that you can't do much you're still learning how to aim and tap notes (that's pretty much the whole game, it just gets harder and harder to manage). Meter is important and will be easier to pick up on later down the road when you're able to play insane maps.

...and when I'm referring to playing these maps, I'm saying to be able to pass with a B at least. You don't have to master hard difficulties to move onto insane maps, if you make your difficulty progression linear you'll improve or hit a wall where you can step back a bit and see what you can fix to keep progressing.

One big thing you want to avoid doing is floundering and forcing yourself to use mods or playing stuff you're clearly not cut out to play yet, ie failing constantly and retrying or getting C/D ranks. It just will frustrate you and cause you to develop bad habits.

A couple tricks to get over a 'wall' in skill progression is asses what you can and can't do and push what you can do well as far as you can, try taking a long break to forget bad habits/rest up, try practicing a different aspect of the game (in example if you're gunning for streaming ability but just can't progress, try practicing aim training until you get stuck again), start over in terms of difficulty and attempt to 're-learn' the game to see if there are minor things you can improve upon as you progress, try different styles if you're in pain or discomfort from anything you're doing. Slow down your movements and think clearly as to what all you're doing to make sure you're doing things right. I can honestly keep writing more, but I feel like this is enough and better than saying 'play more' like a mindless sheep.

Dexus wrote:

beginner (easy to hard maps)
normal (hard maps with mods to insane maps)
Advanced (insane maps with mods to ex maps)
Extreme (ex maps with mods)

Sojana and most players without scores at least at 130pp+ (arbitrary number) filling in their top performances are still beginners to this game.

Basically for new players you want to start pushing to play [hard] difficulty maps (2 to 3 stars) for about 5 months (arbitrary); from then it's progression like what I listed above. It's almost at an exponentially long time depending how quickly you grasp certain concepts about the game. Within two weeks you shouldn't be bummed that you can't do much you're still learning how to aim and tap notes (that's pretty much the whole game, it just gets harder and harder to manage). Meter is important and will be easier to pick up on later down the road when you're able to play insane maps.

...and when I'm referring to playing these maps, I'm saying to be able to pass with a B at least. You don't have to master hard difficulties to move onto insane maps, if you make your difficulty progression linear you'll improve or hit a wall where you can step back a bit and see what you can fix to keep progressing.

One big thing you want to avoid doing is floundering and forcing yourself to use mods or playing stuff you're clearly not cut out to play yet, ie failing constantly and retrying or getting C/D ranks. It just will frustrate you and cause you to develop bad habits.

A couple tricks to get over a 'wall' in skill progression is asses what you can and can't do and push what you can do well as far as you can, try taking a long break to forget bad habits/rest up, try practicing a different aspect of the game (in example if you're gunning for streaming ability but just can't progress, try practicing aim training until you get stuck again), start over in terms of difficulty and attempt to 're-learn' the game to see if there are minor things you can improve upon as you progress, try different styles if you're in pain or discomfort from anything you're doing. Slow down your movements and think clearly as to what all you're doing to make sure you're doing things right. I can honestly keep writing more, but I feel like this is enough and better than saying 'play more' like a mindless sheep.

Thanks for your post at least u tryed to explain in a constructive way.

RaneFire wrote:

Sojana wrote:

I think I am way above the basics (not wanna sound arrogant or something)

Don't you DARE trying to tell us you're WAY ABOVE the basics when you CAN'T EVEN properly do the sub-basics dude.
Yoh check those scores. Definitely sub-basic.

Master sub-basic then move onto basic. Basic is too hard for you at the moment.

I know I only did B or even C on some maps, it's because I didn't rly play em anymore and was trying faster maps (I know I can't finish without nofail for a fact) because I wanted to be faster in general. I just think I did good progress for only playing 2 weeks in... anyway I did just try to S some hard maps recently just to see if "in the opinion of some ppl here who probably play for months if not years" I am better than the basics lol.

I started to upload videos on youtube (mostly to see my own progress over the course of time) I consider a map beaten after I got at least S on it, I know some ppl are rly tryhard and SS big black "jk r(re)tryui" I know I am nowhere from even decent right now, but everyone started someday I guess. I am certain, I can do a whole bunch better after a few months of playing. Also I will buy myself a tablet and see if I am more comfortable with that, I feel spinners and long range jumps are easier with that.

I am that kinda person that gets pissed if ppl kinda "look down on me" in some way, but I have to thank this "elitist" ppl here too, because u just wanna make me push myself even harder.

@Nikkumi
Thanks for the maps I will try some of them out

Not sure if that's basic enough, but at least I tryed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyqvjG_zBCw

Sojana wrote:

I am that kinda person that gets pissed if ppl kinda "look down on me" in some way, but I have to thank this "elitist" ppl here too, because u just wanna make me push myself even harder.

It's not really about being elitist, although that was the intended facade with the dash of sarcasm that doesn't travel over the internet.

We just see this type of thread every other day, and many of us have responded to such questions hundreds of times already (search function?), so it's really difficult to take these threads seriously after a while and actually provide constructive feedback, because we'd have to do it... every... time... and you'd think new players would at least search around a bit, however many of them don't. So we just waste time repeating ourselves. Then you get people like Dexus who still takes the time to write something constructive. Hehe.

Best thing you can do is just lurk on the forums, search around and pick up random advice here and there while trying to figure things out for yourself.

Also this thread comes across as bragging. Not a good start.

It has nothing to with being elitist. People are asking questions every 3 days about "how to", while there are 2 stickys where you can read about that kind of stuff.
Also, you're new to the game and you still suck a massive dick at it, face it. Once you faced that fact, you can start working up your way. Basics are: Reading, Sense of rhytmn, accuracy and combo. Once you mastered this Basics for easier diffs, you can start up on insanes.

I jumped into insanes within 2 days and I got a shitton of bad habits, including mashing, awful reading and extremely bad accuracy on everything. Some of them are still existing.


Also:

Dexus wrote:

A couple tricks to get over a 'wall' in skill progression is asses what you can and can't do and push what you can do well as far as you can, try taking a long break to forget bad habits/rest up, try practicing a different aspect of the game (in example if you're gunning for streaming ability but just can't progress, try practicing aim training until you get stuck again), start over in terms of difficulty and attempt to 're-learn' the game to see if there are minor things you can improve upon as you progress, try different styles if you're in pain or discomfort from anything you're doing. Slow down your movements and think clearly as to what all you're doing to make sure you're doing things right. I can honestly keep writing more, but I feel like this is enough and better than saying 'play more' like a mindless sheep.

A huge thanks, I just take that for myself. I never seen "getting over the wall" from this perspective.

I understand that you are a perfectionist.

However, the thing about this game is that there is no REAL shortcut to being good/perfect at the game. So I perfectly understand your frustration at not getting things quickly as I can relate.

Understand that players that play more and GET (learn) more from what they do are better than players who play the same amount and don't get as much from those plays (aka playing maps useless for improving like songs 2 layers above your skill level).

So either up your play time and do some real practice (while not doing those nofail/D rank/70% acc C rank maps cuz those waste your time)
or just progress slowly like many other players (they are fine about this and just enjoy the game how it is). This game requires time and dedication, and I'll state it again: being good is fucking hard. It ain't easy.

uberpancake wrote:

Read it as stay gay pony and big money first. I died a little. Then I realized that he was probably talking about 2 regular insanes and not 2 of the hardest popular maps that exist.

As for practicing streams the spreadsheets earlier linked are good practice, and for general tips make sure to go back and full combo easier maps every once in a while (atleast).

I think he is talking about the Normal/Hard diff of Big Money and the map "Pony Swag" isn´t that crazy Blue Dragon map.

Just keep in mind that the skill gap between people can be unimaginable, so for example, if everyone were an elitist, there would be like maybe 4 players ever that have no one to look down on them. The best you can do is remember that you will never be at the top, there will always be someone to look down on you, and maybe when the time comes, you can have a laugh and look down on other people making dumb posts saying they're way above the basics when they still have a 6 digit rank. We're all noobs here (except the 3 digit no-life neckbeards, fuck them huehue).

Anyway, you seem to be taking the game pretty seriously, best advice I can give is just chill out a bit, and play for fun. Multiplayer usually helps this, instead of grinding for pp / ranks, you get to feel the satisfaction and glory of #rekking others, and even if the song is too easy for you (doubtful at this point), you'll still be improving consistency and accuracy somewhat as you play.

cheezstik wrote:

(except the 3 digit no-life neckbeards, fuck them huehue)

but cheez i shave my neckberd y u hav be so hurt my feeling

cheezstik wrote:

Just keep in mind that the skill gap between people can be unimaginable, so for example, if everyone were an elitist, there would be like maybe 4 players ever that have no one to look down on them. The best you can do is remember that you will never be at the top, there will always be someone to look down on you, and maybe when the time comes, you can have a laugh and look down on other people making dumb posts saying they're way above the basics when they still have a 6 digit rank. We're all noobs here (except the 3 digit no-life neckbeards, fuck them huehue).

Anyway, you seem to be taking the game pretty seriously, best advice I can give is just chill out a bit, and play for fun. Multiplayer usually helps this, instead of grinding for pp / ranks, you get to feel the satisfaction and glory of #rekking others, and even if the song is too easy for you (doubtful at this point), you'll still be improving consistency and accuracy somewhat as you play.

I have a bad habbit of taking any game I play to seriously I guess. But yeah, as u said I think it may be a better ideaa to play maps I can follow properly and advance from there, I just don't wanna be stuck with "slow" maps for to long. But I figured that not all 3 star or 4 star maps are same, some "insane" maps seem to be pretty easy compared to others and via versa. I just have problems following AR9 right now, not on all maps tho. AR8 is totaly fine even if the map has a more difficult layout. I rly need a tablet, my mouse sensitivy is kinda high (I still can aim pretty well) but no way to follow some maps, some ppl may be able to do it with a mouse but I don't wanna make stuff unnecessarily harder than it has to be.

You don't "really" need a tablet. You only need to practice and play more. If your DPI is too high why not just lowering it?
You can't follow some maps because you just aren't good enough yet, nothing to do with using a tablet or a mouse.

I'm not gonna lie to you and say that there will be 0% improvement at this point in time from getting a tablet, but it really won't be worth it and won't help much, as it is most likely not your aim holding you back at this point. There are still other aspects of the game you should improve such as reading, accuracy, speed, finger control etc. that getting a tablet won't necessarily help.

By all means, if you have the money and know you won't be giving up the game, then sure, buy a tablet. Just don't blame your performance right now on your lack of a tablet, cos I'm sure that's not the case.

GoldenWolf wrote:

You don't "really" need a tablet. You only need to practice and play more. If your DPI is too high why not just lowering it?
You can't follow some maps because you just aren't good enough yet, nothing to do with using a tablet or a mouse.

cheezstik wrote:

I'm not gonna lie to you and say that there will be 0% improvement at this point in time from getting a tablet, but it really won't be worth it and won't help much, as it is most likely not your aim holding you back at this point. There are still other aspects of the game you should improve such as reading, accuracy, speed, finger control etc. that getting a tablet won't necessarily help.

By all means, if you have the money and know you won't be giving up the game, then sure, buy a tablet. Just don't blame your performance right now on your lack of a tablet, cos I'm sure that's not the case.

tablet is much better for improvement.

op wants to improve quickly >> go buy tablet

he can learn ar while improving with tablet.

Sojana wrote:

I have a bad habbit of taking any game I play to seriously I guess. But yeah, as u said I think it may be a better ideaa to play maps I can follow properly and advance from there, I just don't wanna be stuck with "slow" maps for to long. But I figured that not all 3 star or 4 star maps are same, some "insane" maps seem to be pretty easy compared to others and via versa. I just have problems following AR9 right now, not on all maps tho. AR8 is totaly fine even if the map has a more difficult layout. I rly need a tablet, my mouse sensitivy is kinda high (I still can aim pretty well) but no way to follow some maps, some ppl may be able to do it with a mouse but I don't wanna make stuff unnecessarily harder than it has to be.

Time to be blunt, since you seem to be the kind of person who (should) be able to take some level of criticism.

You are complete shit. All players start out shit, every single person. People stay shit for a long, long time. A year at least. Tablet won't make you good magically, you can play equally well with a mouse. Problem is, you are being lazy and looking for shortcuts. People don't get good at this game by taking shortcuts, that is a surefire way to 1) hit a wall and get stuck being shit for life or 2) getting banned (because you take idiotic shortcuts).

You are trying to rush past the basics. You don't want to play stuff that is early level, being easy/normal difficulties. You want to be able to beat big black, or maps like that so you can show off. (protip, no one will care, thousands of people have beaten it already).

Play the game, enjoy the game, and maybe, just maybe, if you don't try to take shortcuts and instead focus on improvement, you will someday be good. This isn't a game that takes a few months to become good at, it takes years of practice. You are at 2,000 playcount, stop trying to rush to play 9AR or whatever else. At your level, you should be playing maybe hard-insane maps (I am really not sure). Stay at a pace that works for you, but remember, again, trying to rush ahead will get you no where.

Oh, and you should lower your sensitivity.


Summary:

1) You are shit.
2) You will stay shit if you try to take shortcuts.
3) Tablet won't make you a top-tier competitive player.
4) Playing big black isn't impressive.
5) The game is fun when you don't try to rush, and instead play for enjoyment.
6) Lower your sensitivity.

I was rank 10k wen i played

byfar wrote:

tablet is much better for improvement.

op wants to improve quickly >> go buy tablet

he can learn ar while improving with tablet.

Get out of here instead of spreading shit

Do you expect any other answers other than practice and play more?

GoldenWolf wrote:

Get out of here instead of spreading shit

why all the salt man

what i' said was based on mere experience.

byfar wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

Get out of here instead of spreading shit

why all the salt man

what i' said was based on mere experience.

You worded it in a way that makes it sound like it is the definite 100% case for everyone. Don't worry, I agree with tablet being easy to learn on and stuff etc., but you should be more cautious, adding imo or in my experience / case usually does this pretty well.

This is what your post looked like:

byfar wrote:

tablet is much better for improvement.

op wants to improve quickly >> go buy tablet

he can learn ar while improving with tablet.

This is what it ideally should've looked like:

byfar wrote:

tablet much better for improvement IMO / in my case.

op wants to improve quickly >> I'd suggest to go buy tablet

he can learn ar while improving with tablet.

Yeah I know I am shit, I know I haven't played this game for long. I know buying a tablet won't make me become better without practising either way, but I think it would be better long term, I don't wanna get used to mouse to much and then getting a headache when switching over.

I am beeing realistic and I know I am nowhere good, hell I never rly said that and if someone thought that, well who gives a shit right? All I asked in the OP is if someone knew some good maps to practise streams, because I suck most at alternating with 2 buttons and wanted to get my second finger to fkn do what I want and not be freezing in the middle of a stream and fkn it up. I can do like 8-9 in a row with a single finger, but I doubt that's gonna help in the long run so I try to get used using 2 buttons.

I never claimed to be the next cookiezi or anything like that, I just play this game for fun. But ppl take "fun" differently, some ppl have fun when they just play a game, some ppl have fun even when they lose, some ppl have fun like me, when they improve and try to get better. Good part about this, I am not forced to slow down, or speed up at any time. I can learn the game on my own curve and when I feel stuck there is no big deal. Also I don't care what other ppl think is impressive or not. I doubt some fkn marathon bike rider will think your 50km a day are impressive, but for yourself it may be a big deal. Everyone has their own opinion. It all depends on experience and what u already archived. So once u get to the point u SS 6-7 Star maps (just for the record) then u won't give a shit about someone SS'ing insane maps, but for that guy it may be still a big deal.

ANYWAY, all I wanted is stated in the OP and I am not here to discuss life. Thanks to everyone who gave their opinion and for hints, I will take it from here.

GoldenWolf wrote:

byfar wrote:

tablet is much better for improvement.

op wants to improve quickly >> go buy tablet

he can learn ar while improving with tablet.

Get out of here instead of spreading shit

I 2nd this.

Also, while most people use low dpi, there are players (even ones who click for single tapping) who use upwards of 3600dpi and do just fine. Dpi should match your mouse grip but if you have a good grip for it, high dpi is fine. That said, I never got good at mouse before trying out a tablet and ended up deciding it was more fun sucking at tablet than sucking at mouse.

I think the main struggle with mouse likely comes from finding the right grip/dpi etc. I'd imagine with proper settings etc there's probably not much of a difference in rate of improvement. I wouldn't say either one is better than the other, though I believe more people enjoy playing with tablet for what its worth.