Shiro wrote:
30 seconds is a hard cap. 29 seconds is not rankable.
This rule is very old and I honestly think that it's still needed. No need to be swarmed under 15 seconds long maps.
I think you missed my point I want in this change: I want that maps where one or two seconds are missing because of the rule can still be ranked when it's clear that everything else in the map is good in its rankability (Map spread, playability, etc.) and that we move this rule to guideline to not give people the freedom in mapping 10 or 15 second beatmaps - like you said. And I agree that would be plain stupid so I said this needs to be treated in case-by-case.Sey wrote:
All in all I appreciate not to see super-short draining time like 10 seconds. I guess this couldn't even be called a real beatmap anymore. But blinking with one eye on a 25 second song should be allowed even without looping the audio file.
I think the point is that if the official version of something is shorter than 30 seconds by 1 or 2 seconds, it should not be unrankable because of this rule, as it's not viable to extend it, and there might not be a "full version" that exists. For example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syxSkq1iDKo is 29 seconds long, and it's pretty dumb to deny a rank just because someone "think it's too short". I don't know if that song has an extended version, but you get the idea. Also, we're probably not seeing a swarm of 15 second maps, similarily to how there is no "swarm" of 30 second maps; there aren't that many around, and the point was the original, not cut versions of a song, so you can't just cut a animu TV saizu to 15 seconds with just the chorus or something.Shiro wrote:
30 seconds is a hard cap. 29 seconds is not rankable.
This rule is very old and I honestly think that it's still needed. No need to be swarmed under 15 seconds long maps.
Remember that this is really just for maps that are close to the border of 30 seconds. As Stefan said, maps shouldn't become shortened for no reason. This guideline should only be followed if there is no other solution. Not-cutting a song is a valid solution here. For example, I have a map, the song of the map only has 27 seconds. I mean, I could slow it down, but it really sounds odd like that. It's ending is really abrupt and can't be stretched by myself. Also, a spinner set to make the map longer is, like seen in the example of Yamanoted heaven, not a good solution. That would be a case in which it is considerable to allow a rank, even though it is shorter than the currently allowed draining time. But cutting a song to merely 30 seconds is something that should not be allowed, it is willingly shortened to make it as short as possible, means that, as said before, there is a solution to make it longer.Stefan wrote:
And I agree that would be plain stupid so I said this needs to be treated in case-by-case.
..and then somebody will map song 23sec length which of course can't be looped, extended etc ...and you'll get another - why not to rank this awesome "just 2 sec shorter than that 25sec long map ranked earlier, nobody will notice" map, pointing on this guideline.Stefan wrote:
The main point in this change is that maps which have this problem currently can be ranked as long everything else is fine. Allowing people to map 10, 15 second beatmaps should still be disallowed and not supported. As guideline it ONLY should be ignored in cases like I've above explained.
Give me current examples which would fit with the issue you've pointed above.Sieg wrote:
..and then somebody will map song 23sec length which of course can't be looped, extended etc ...and you'll get another - why not to rank this awesome "just 2 sec shorter than that 25sec long map ranked earlier, nobody will notice" map, pointing on this guideline.Stefan wrote:
The main point in this change is that maps which have this problem currently can be ranked as long everything else is fine. Allowing people to map 10, 15 second beatmaps should still be disallowed and not supported. As guideline it ONLY should be ignored in cases like I've above explained.
Hard cap is still needed imo.
Guidelines are important and should be followed in most maps. However, they are NOT rules, so they may be broken in special cases. If you want to break a guideline, ask yourself this: Does what I'm about to do make sense? Is it more fun to play like this compared to sticking to the guidelines? If you answer yes to both these questions, then it is probably okay.I've marked the important lines in bold to clarify the point of a guideline and so that the current rule should be treated like that. I never ever said I want to support the idea to rank 25 second maps or below, I want that maps which can't be extended or being unnecessary or badly extended for the sake of rule can be ranked without these stupid options. Someone with a clear mind will understand that stuff like this should not be supported for rank and the examples in the OP without using spinners which ends nowhere.
You saying like your examples provide sense to be by case discussed. :3 no offence (I mean they all can be adjusted to fit current rule)Stefan wrote:
Give me current examples which would fit with the issue you've pointed above.
The minimum draining (play) time for a map is 30 seconds (but the recommended minimum is 45 seconds). If your map is shorter than that, then try looping\extending\slowing down the song with the audio editing program or use a longer version of the song. This is so people do not try and cut songs too short for no reason, thus stopping people from enjoying the song fully.
It can't be done always, see Yamanoted heaven.Sieg wrote:
(I mean they all can be adjusted to fit current rule)
I hope.Nwolf wrote:
will something happen now
The question is why couldn't it be called a song if it's less than 30 seconds?Sakura wrote:
can that even be still called a song?
Marisa SparkSakura wrote:
Why would you even try to get something that's less than 30 seconds long ranked... can that even be still called a song?
Thought there are already some too short ranked maps where people can abuse this as well - current rule isn't really works well to prevent such stuff anyway. If someone is abusing short map to get higher playcount, it can be easily checked by his/her most played list.Charles445 wrote:
This rule started way back when so people wouldn't abuse short maps to get play-count up.
Holy crap, what is this little gem of awesomeness lolKodora wrote:
Marisa SparkSakura wrote:
Why would you even try to get something that's less than 30 seconds long ranked... can that even be still called a song?
