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lightr
Hi Joey I'm back , very sorry for late .-.
Just a few things :

Another
  1. 01:34:904 (1) - i think this one need a NC
  2. There are so many triple beat in KIAI like 01:06:779 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - …… , so i think use some rhythm like this would be nice.Just a suggest,feel free to ignore this.
  3. 03:38:466 (5) - stack with 03:37:529 (1) - slider head would be nice
  4. 02:21:779 (4) - missing a clap on slider head
nice mapset,good luck with rerank it :>
Len
pls rerank this T^T
Topic Starter
[ Joey ]
Re-download as of 11/21/2105

Added better sized BG and changed diff names
Topic Starter
[ Joey ]

lightr wrote:

Hi Joey I'm back , very sorry for late .-.
Just a few things :

Another
  1. 01:34:904 (1) - i think this one need a NC added
  2. There are so many triple beat in KIAI like 01:06:779 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - …… , so i think use some rhythm like this would be nice.Just a suggest,feel free to ignore this. I added some, but didnt change all of them
  3. 03:38:466 (5) - stack with 03:37:529 (1) - slider head would be nice I agree, the distance was kinda far anyway
  4. 02:21:779 (4) - missing a clap on slider head I'm alternating claps here
nice mapset,good luck with rerank it :>
Thanks lightr!
hehe
i'm too lazy to format this since it's one diff. anyway before things get out of hand: http://i.imgur.com/D8wmmsy.png
so here's timestamps for your clicking pleasure:
Hard: 02:37:435 / 03:34:435
Normal: 02:37:341 / 03:34:341

some small quality ammendments:
normal and hard: 01:57:029 - end break here by dragging

greenline stuff:
normal: needless greenline 02:52:529 -
hard: needless greenline 03:49:529 -
insane: same 02:50:279 -

do note i might not 100% thorough so please check through your greenlines again~

main stuff in insane:
00:51:966 (5) - this didn't feel too comfortable to play, in my opinion.
01:36:029 (1,3) - lol blanket
01:45:685 (3,4) / 01:46:154 (6,7,8) / 04:00:591 (3) / 04:01:154 (5,6,7) - these are probably wrongly snapped, there are 1/6 notes starting from 01:46:091 - 04:01:091 - i think. be sure to correct this on Lovesick diff too, or clarify with a BAT.
03:04:154 (3,2) - nazi stuff
03:10:529 - start the break here!! :p not consistent with other diffs~
03:15:779 (1,2) - might be a little to excessive after break, imo.

everything else looks on point, good job with this. lovely patterns & sana <3.
Topic Starter
[ Joey ]

handsome wrote:

i'm too lazy to format this since it's one diff. anyway before things get out of hand: http://i.imgur.com/D8wmmsy.png
so here's timestamps for your clicking pleasure:
Hard: 02:37:435 / 03:34:435
Normal: 02:37:341 / 03:34:341 ahh, thanks for this, I think they are all consistent now

some small quality ammendments:
normal and hard: 01:57:029 - end break here by dragging good idea

greenline stuff:
normal: needless greenline 02:52:529 - oops, all those greenline had a purpose, I just forgot to change them >_< Fixed all
hard: needless greenline 03:49:529 -
insane: same 02:50:279 -

do note i might not 100% thorough so please check through your greenlines again~

main stuff in insane:
00:51:966 (5) - this didn't feel too comfortable to play, in my opinion. I actually like this combo a lot >_<
01:36:029 (1,3) - lol blanket fixed
01:45:685 (3,4) / 01:46:154 (6,7,8) / 04:00:591 (3) / 04:01:154 (5,6,7) - these are probably wrongly snapped, there are 1/6 notes starting from 01:46:091 - 04:01:091 - i think. be sure to correct this on Lovesick diff too, or clarify with a BAT. I think you are right about the 1/6 notes, but I am going to keep my 1/4 notes because I find them more enjoyable to play
03:04:154 (3,2) - nazi stuff fixed
03:10:529 - start the break here!! :p not consistent with other diffs~ ah, right
03:15:779 (1,2) - might be a little to excessive after break, imo. I don't think it's too bad. I lowered the distance though

everything else looks on point, good job with this. lovely patterns & sana <3.
Thanks for the mod! I appreciate it <3
Hinsvar
I might as well do a full set modding so I can get this back to the qualified section.

*Bolded = Unrankable or very, very strongly suggested; red = Highly suggested or questionable (still weaker than the bolded ones); black = Minor suggestions/rants; blue = Notes/advices to avoid/fix repeated problems. Also note that hitsound suggestions on a diff may apply on similar parts of the song and the other diffs of the mapset.

>Normal
  1. 00:40:529 (1) - Try curving it like this so it follows 00:39:029 (2,3)'s curve. That flows better, IMO. You can even try to make a blanket between 00:40:529 (1,2).
  2. 01:00:029 (1) - Umm, what's with the NC here? Isn't your usual combo pattern putting an NC every 2 measures?
  3. 02:54:029 (3) - I think I know why is the spacing inconsistent here, but I believe a blanket can still be made without having to sacrifice spacing consistency. Making the spacing consistent will also make the design look better.
  4. 03:18:029 (1) - Move to (455,313) so this will blanket 03:17:279 (3) better?
>Hard
  1. 02:18:029 (1,2) - Uh, can you at least make it so (2)'s body won't touch (1)'s head? Looks quite messy as is, IMO.
>Insane
  1. 00:25:529 (1,2) - Uh, don't you think this jump is too big, especially considering the music here is not as intense as, say, the kiai sections? I recommend to make a 2.5x jump by moving (2) to (108,136).
  2. 01:34:810 - Consider silencing the slider's tail here with an inherited timing point that is set at 5% volume since there's nothing that can be emphasized in the song here. Feels weird to hear the soft hitnormal sound while there's nothing in the song.
  3. 01:34:904 (1) - Move this to (26,258)? Moving out a circle from a slow "extended" slider is nice, since 01:34:529 (1) will act like a build-up to a strong note which is this circle.
  4. 02:55:529 (1,2) - Try reducing the distance here. This jump feels a little exaggerated because the music isn't really strong.
>Lovesick
  1. 04:01:154 (5,1) - Make a bigger jump to emphasize the cymbal at 04:01:529 (1)? It feels a little too small right now...
Actually, I have to say that the disqualification is a correct action. The difficulty spread progression from Normal to Hard is okay, but the progression from Hard to Lovesick is quite fast, since the amount of jumps between them are very far, and Lovesick is way too intense to be a normal Insane diff (this is especially noticeable on the kiai sections, where the intensity and jumps rise up quite high compared to the rest of the diff). That's what I feel when testing the diff, at least.

The Insane diff did a good job in correcting the difficulty spread with just the right intensity and patterns to make a nice and fun average (in terms of difficulty, not quality) Insane diff, and thus makes this mapset more accessible to more players, mainly those who can play Hard diffs well but struggles a lot with Lovesick (and I can see this happening for a lot of players). An intermediary diff between Hard and Lovesick like this is a nice (although mandatory from the beginning anyway) addition.

Infevo wrote:

1. Most players would only use one diff anyways. And it is not like you can only progress through 1 single map set from one mapper. So in that regard the gap is completely irrelevant. Oh boy... While it is true that most players will only focus on one diff, which is usually the hardest, a proper difficulty spread is necessary so the mapset will be accessible by more players. In case of this map, it is (or more properly, was) in need of a diff that is easier than Lovesick yet harder than Hard so players who, like what I've said above, plays Hard well but is troubled at Lovesick, can enjoy the song alongside a nice fun Insane map.
2. It is ridiculous to reason around the difficullty gaps since many mappers get ranked releases with only single maps. Why should mappers be punished who bother to map more diffs? The single diff ranking only applies to maps with a draining time higher than 5:00. Otherwise, you have to adhere to the difficulty spread rule. I know it can suck, especially when you're mapping long songs, but then again...
3. I don't have any issues with the sound volume. None at all. Assuming the volume was around 20% before it got changed, I have to agree with this.
4. Several players asked sincerely not to unrank this because they liked it and for them everything was fine. Unfortunately, if the mapset indeed has something wrong (which is the difficulty spread in this case), it has to be unranked. From my experiences, players who say that everything looks fine only plays a diff (which goes back to your first point), and doesn't really care about the others. If any of these players who complained did look at the entire mapset and say there is no problem, though, I'll have to say that they're wrong in this case.
5. We have an extreme lack of Sana maps. Well we'll always lack good songs, for there are way too many good songs left unmapped \o/

I don't even know how to stop crying about this =( It doesn't even remotely make sense to me...
In the end, I have to say that this DQ actually makes sense, although I have to admit that most people won't even care about difficulty spread :)

Well, for Joey, call me back once you're done with my mod.

(Yes, the Insane diff should be qualified for ranking.)
Topic Starter
[ Joey ]

Hinsvar wrote:

I might as well do a full set modding so I can get this back to the qualified section. Thanks so much, I really appreciate it

*Bolded = Unrankable or very, very strongly suggested; red = Highly suggested or questionable (still weaker than the bolded ones); black = Minor suggestions/rants; blue = Notes/advices to avoid/fix repeated problems. Also note that hitsound suggestions on a diff may apply on similar parts of the song and the other diffs of the mapset.

>Normal
  1. 00:40:529 (1) - Try curving it like this so it follows 00:39:029 (2,3)'s curve. That flows better, IMO. You can even try to make a blanket between 00:40:529 (1,2). Made some changes to the combo to improve flow
  2. 01:00:029 (1) - Umm, what's with the NC here? Isn't your usual combo pattern putting an NC every 2 measures? oops, removed
  3. 02:54:029 (3) - I think I know why is the spacing inconsistent here, but I believe a blanket can still be made without having to sacrifice spacing consistency. Making the spacing consistent will also make the design look better. fixed
  4. 03:18:029 (1) - Move to (455,313) so this will blanket 03:17:279 (3) better? kk
>Hard
  1. 02:18:029 (1,2) - Uh, can you at least make it so (2)'s body won't touch (1)'s head? Looks quite messy as is, IMO. Hmm, I like how it's blanketed with the tail of slider 1. No change here unless you feel like it's absolutely necessary
>Insane
  1. 00:25:529 (1,2) - Uh, don't you think this jump is too big, especially considering the music here is not as intense as, say, the kiai sections? I recommend to make a 2.5x jump by moving (2) to (108,136). I agree, moved to (108, 138
  2. 01:34:810 - Consider silencing the slider's tail here with an inherited timing point that is set at 5% volume since there's nothing that can be emphasized in the song here. Feels weird to hear the soft hitnormal sound while there's nothing in the song. agreed, changed the same thing in Lovesick diff
  3. 01:34:904 (1) - Move this to (26,258)? Moving out a circle from a slow "extended" slider is nice, since 01:34:529 (1) will act like a build-up to a strong note which is this circle. oh yeah, I like that a lot
  4. 02:55:529 (1,2) - Try reducing the distance here. This jump feels a little exaggerated because the music isn't really strong. reduced the distance a little bit
>Lovesick
  1. 04:01:154 (5,1) - Make a bigger jump to emphasize the cymbal at 04:01:529 (1)? It feels a little too small right now... yeah I agree, increased distance
Hinsvar
Have your well-deserved bubble.
Topic Starter
[ Joey ]

Hinsvar wrote:

Have your well-deserved bubble.
Thanks Hinsvar <3
Aka
normal

・02:55:154 (1) - pressure goes on at the end of the slider, on the downbeat. so would be great to have a clickable object instead of finishing it


hard

・01:43:529 (1) - again about the downbeat thingy. but in additional there is a loooong guitar part and thus a slider starting from there would fit better
・02:02:466 (5) - and again about ticks. slider starting from here is not really comfortable to click since it starts from the red tick and strong vocal goes before it and on the end of slider. i'd really recommend to svap the these 02:02:279 (4,5) - objects. you have a lot of them there starting from reds but i mention the only ones which felt really not so great
・02:37:529 (5,1) - shouldnt nc be on (5) instead?
・03:21:029 (1,1) - its visible during the gameplay. and since you have a bit of time after the circle, a bit more spacing wouldnt hurt. you could avoid this overlap


insane

・01:34:529 (1,1) - 03:49:529 (1,2) - maybe you'd like to keep consistency between rhythm patterns here? i mean that 1/4 transition


poke me
alacat
We discussed about Romanised Title with JP staff. So The romanised title must be "Byoumei Koiwazurai"

If you want to know the reason, Please ask me in-game/forum-pm. really hard to explain in this case :? haha

Thanks, Guy, Gamu, Satellite and KSHR :3
hehe
yay!!
Topic Starter
[ Joey ]

Aka wrote:

normal

・02:55:154 (1) - pressure goes on at the end of the slider, on the downbeat. so would be great to have a clickable object instead of finishing it kk, changed


hard

・01:43:529 (1) - again about the downbeat thingy. but in additional there is a loooong guitar part and thus a slider starting from there would fit better changed to a long slider like you recommend
・02:02:466 (5) - and again about ticks. slider starting from here is not really comfortable to click since it starts from the red tick and strong vocal goes before it and on the end of slider. i'd really recommend to svap the these 02:02:279 (4,5) - objects. you have a lot of them there starting from reds but i mention the only ones which felt really not so great agreed, swapped them
・02:37:529 (5,1) - shouldnt nc be on (5) instead? oops, yeah :P
・03:21:029 (1,1) - its visible during the gameplay. and since you have a bit of time after the circle, a bit more spacing wouldnt hurt. you could avoid this overlap ok


insane

・01:34:529 (1,1) - 03:49:529 (1,2) - maybe you'd like to keep consistency between rhythm patterns here? i mean that 1/4 transition Gonna keep what I have here to match the vocals


poke me
Topic Starter
[ Joey ]

alacat wrote:

We discussed about Romanised Title with JP staff. So The romanised title must be "Byoumei Koiwazurai"

If you want to know the reason, Please ask me in-game/forum-pm. really hard to explain in this case :? haha

Thanks, Guy, Gamu, Satellite and KSHR :3
Thanks for checking Alacat :D
Aka
rebubbled
Topic Starter
[ Joey ]

Aka wrote:

rebubbled
The 3rd bubble xD
Thanks Aka!
Satellite
Requalified. 


log
01:26 Satellite: just some suggestion okay?
01:26 [ Joey ]: kk
01:26 Satellite: all diff 03:33:779 - changed finish better. What's do you think ?
01:27 [ Joey ]: ah yeah, I think that fits nicely
01:28 Satellite: and Hard diff
01:28 Satellite: two suggestion.
01:28 Satellite: for diff spread
01:29 Satellite: 02:01:341 (6) - remove note ?
01:29 Satellite: same as part 00:28:341 -
01:29 Satellite: I think remove note better.
01:31 [ Joey ]: kk, that feels nice
01:31 Satellite: 02:08:841 (5) -
01:31 Satellite: It's a nazi suggestion
01:31 Satellite: move x 296 y239
01:31 Satellite: 02:08:466 (3,4,5) - straight Dx
01:32 [ Joey ]: ok fixed
01:32 Satellite: 03:20:279 (5,6) -
01:32 Satellite: Changed Slider please. this pattern I think too hard
01:33 Satellite: on hard diff D=
01:34 [ Joey ]: yeah I agree, it a slow part anyways
01:35 [ Joey ]: changed to slider
01:35 Satellite: 01:07:154 (3) - ctrl + g better. because
01:35 Satellite: 01:13:154 (4) -
01:35 Satellite: 01:19:154 (4) -
01:35 Satellite: for distance snap
01:35 Satellite: only01:07:154 (3) - Large
01:36 [ Joey ]: ah right, changed
01:36 Satellite: that's all !
01:36 Satellite: update please
01:38 [ Joey ]: updated! :D
01:38 Satellite: kk redl now
01:39 Satellite: Version:Insane
01:39 Satellite: remove WidescreenStoryboard check
01:40 [ Joey ]: oops, removed
01:40 Satellite: update please :3
01:41 [ Joey ]: kk, updating
01:42 [ Joey ]: updated
Topic Starter
[ Joey ]

Satellite wrote:

Requalified. 


log
01:26 Satellite: just some suggestion okay?
01:26 [ Joey ]: kk
01:26 Satellite: all diff 03:33:779 - changed finish better. What's do you think ?
01:27 [ Joey ]: ah yeah, I think that fits nicely
01:28 Satellite: and Hard diff
01:28 Satellite: two suggestion.
01:28 Satellite: for diff spread
01:29 Satellite: 02:01:341 (6) - remove note ?
01:29 Satellite: same as part 00:28:341 -
01:29 Satellite: I think remove note better.
01:31 [ Joey ]: kk, that feels nice
01:31 Satellite: 02:08:841 (5) -
01:31 Satellite: It's a nazi suggestion
01:31 Satellite: move x 296 y239
01:31 Satellite: 02:08:466 (3,4,5) - straight Dx
01:32 [ Joey ]: ok fixed
01:32 Satellite: 03:20:279 (5,6) -
01:32 Satellite: Changed Slider please. this pattern I think too hard
01:33 Satellite: on hard diff D=
01:34 [ Joey ]: yeah I agree, it a slow part anyways
01:35 [ Joey ]: changed to slider
01:35 Satellite: 01:07:154 (3) - ctrl + g better. because
01:35 Satellite: 01:13:154 (4) -
01:35 Satellite: 01:19:154 (4) -
01:35 Satellite: for distance snap
01:35 Satellite: only01:07:154 (3) - Large
01:36 [ Joey ]: ah right, changed
01:36 Satellite: that's all !
01:36 Satellite: update please
01:38 [ Joey ]: updated! :D
01:38 Satellite: kk redl now
01:39 Satellite: Version:Insane
01:39 Satellite: remove WidescreenStoryboard check
01:40 [ Joey ]: oops, removed
01:40 Satellite: update please :3
01:41 [ Joey ]: kk, updating
01:42 [ Joey ]: updated
yaaaay thanks satellite ^-^
kakifly
regrats ! honestly i love sana's cover of this song a lot
Totoki
regrats \o/
Mao
Grats on the rerank o/
Bearizm
i don't like the inconsistent 1/4 gap of the sliders, but ok.

other than that nice map. gratz for rank.
Comet
Begging to god that this map makes the cut completely and gets past the QAT, now that WWW got a 506pp HD DT run on it. Plz ;_;

But ignoring that, nice map [ Joey ]!
Infevo

Cometblazer wrote:

Begging to god that this map makes the cut completely and gets past the QAT, now that WWW got a 506pp HD DT run on it. Plz ;_;

But ignoring that, nice map [ Joey ]!
Agree!

Moreover. I need Joey to focus on more Sana maps! =D Since I am myself too lazy yet to learn mapping and he does SO WELL!
Topic Starter
[ Joey ]
Thanks guys!
And yeah I plan to map a lot more Sana :)
Infevo
Congrats!!!! Finally ranked! Well done, Joey!
L_P
i like this map! and the song as well!
Broccoly

L_P wrote:

i like this map! and the song as well!
Holy crap L_P's alive!
Topic Starter
[ Joey ]

L_P wrote:

i like this map! and the song as well!
Thanks! :D

Broccoly wrote:

Holy crap L_P's alive!
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