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Spawn Of Possession - Apparition

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Ekoro
3,456 posts
Joined March 2010
Ekoro

kkk wrote:

Why do people rank maps which are not possible to FC nomod?
I don't think that's the major problem here. As long as it makes sense (which is kinda hard, i admit), it's okay, right?

(i think i did a "correct" map in terms of difficulty in everything will freeze as the 1/2 parts aren't that insane and sharp)

Already gave my opinion, some streams parts are okay but i just felt like the general spacing of 1/2 is really high, probably too high.
Nyxa
848 posts
Joined October 2013
Nyxa
Time Freeze imo is a great example of absurdly hard but well-mapped.

kkk: People said the same about Freedom Dive and Big Black and Image Material and probably Airman too.

Ironically the same guy SS'd one of those and S'd the rest
Artorias_DELETED
Artorias_DELETED
I like most of the part of this map, but as Ekoro said, some parts feel overmapped and unnecessarily hard.

Also OD10 is too high even for a map like this, and you could do away with CS4.

It just doesn't feel at all polished and ready for ranking at this state. Hope it gets DQ .
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf
They most likely feel unnecessarily hard because you simply can't judge them properly. Nothing's wrong with that, but I too can't judge this map properly since it's just so far above my skill level.

However, unless mazz made a mistake, it's not actually overmapped, everything's in the song.
OD10 is there to avoid notelock mostly I think, and honestly is there a significant difference between OD9.5 and OD10 at this point? The overall accuracy will be lower for everyone of course, but if such an hard map is still not worthy of OD10, what is? Same goes for CS4, why should it feature big circles? The whole point of smaller circles is to make the jump/aim intensive sections to be actually hard to aim, that's the whole point.

Again, this is NOT a map that was made to be SSable, or maybe even FCable with the currently top skill level. This is a map made first to fit an ultra fast and technical song, and secondly to oppose a challenge on who can miss the less/is able to play the best through this maelstrom of madness and insanity. It is NOT a standard map, it is NOT aiming to be one. It's there to show who's the best for the next 5 years, because it has enough difficulty room to allow this.


Came off as a little bit of a rant, oh well. Hope my point gets accross.
-Visceral-
644 posts
Joined August 2012
-Visceral-

Artorias wrote:

I like most of the part of this map, but as Ekoro said, some parts feel overmapped and unnecessarily hard.

Also OD10 is too high even for a map like this, and you could do away with CS4.

It just doesn't feel at all polished and ready for ranking at this state. Hope it gets DQ .
I do agree with this. Failed at the very end so I have played through the majority of this map and some parts do feel unpolished, and I feel like OD10 is completely unnecessary. Honestly, its more some of the jumps being unpolished and overmapped than the streams. I don't dislike this map by any means but I feel like more polishing is needed as well. After those things this is totally rankable.

EDIT: GOLDENWOLF WTF IS THAT AVATAR I KNOW THAT PICTURE LOL
Yoeri
433 posts
Joined March 2012
Yoeri

GoldenWolf wrote:

They most likely feel unnecessarily hard because you simply can't judge them properly. Nothing's wrong with that, but I too can't judge this map properly since it's just so far above my skill level.
By this logic the BNs who ranked this map couldn't judge it properly and probably most of the people modding it couldn't either. Who's even allowed to judge if that's the standard to go by?
Musty
2,246 posts
Joined February 2010
Musty
OD10 is good imo, aren't we playing a rhythm game?
Akali
639 posts
Joined November 2012
Akali
Hold your hands up for next seven days, Mazzerin will need our energy
Artorias_DELETED
Artorias_DELETED

GoldenWolf wrote:

They most likely feel unnecessarily hard because you simply can't judge them properly. Nothing's wrong with that, but I too can't judge this map properly since it's just so far above my skill level.

However, unless mazz made a mistake, it's not actually overmapped, everything's in the song.
OD10 is there to avoid notelock mostly I think, and honestly is there a significant difference between OD9.5 and OD10 at this point? The overall accuracy will be lower for everyone of course, but if such an hard map is still not worthy of OD10, what is? Same goes for CS4, why should it feature big circles? The whole point of smaller circles is to make the jump/aim intensive sections to be actually hard to aim, that's the whole point.

Again, this is NOT a map that was made to be SSable, or maybe even FCable with the currently top skill level. This is a map made first to fit an ultra fast and technical song, and secondly to oppose a challenge on who can miss the less/is able to play the best through this maelstrom of madness and insanity. It is NOT a standard map, it is NOT aiming to be one. It's there to show who's the best for the next 5 years, because it has enough difficulty room to allow this.


Came off as a little bit of a rant, oh well. Hope my point gets accross.

haha you changed my mind goldenwolf, thanks. I do see the points you make and I agree with them now.

I still stand that the OD could be lowered to 9.5 probably, what kind of noteblock are you going to get with OD9.5 that you're gonna fix with OD10?
Artorias_DELETED
Artorias_DELETED

Akali wrote:

Hold your hands up for next seven days, Mazzerin will need our energy

If this gets ranked in first try I will jump off a cliff and say goodbye to life. There's no way all the QATs who will check this let it get ranked on first qualification. Wouldn't mind it though.
gregest
809 posts
Joined February 2014
gregest

Smoothie World wrote:

EDIT: GOLDENWOLF WTF IS THAT AVATAR I KNOW THAT PICTURE LOL
you are not the only one :^)
Nyxa
848 posts
Joined October 2013
Nyxa

Yoeri wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

They most likely feel unnecessarily hard because you simply can't judge them properly. Nothing's wrong with that, but I too can't judge this map properly since it's just so far above my skill level.
By this logic the BNs who ranked this map couldn't judge it properly and probably most of the people modding it couldn't either. Who's even allowed to judge if that's the standard to go by?
You never asked him what would make for a proper judge and went with "By this logic" while replying to something that was only loosely relevant to his post.

FYI, the ability to judge a map properly comes from having a proper understanding of creativity, aesthetics, and flow/playability, and imo every BN (since they're supposed to be the "upper bar" modders who judge and qualify maps) should therefore qualify to judge this map, and when they can't at the very least I'd expect honesty about it. The BN's judged it, 3 of them deemed it to be worthy and I still managed to squeeze in a reasonably bulky mod before the third bubble. Now let's just wait and see if the QATs agree.
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

Artorias wrote:

I still stand that the OD could be lowered to 9.5 probably, what kind of noteblock are you going to get with OD9.5 that you're gonna fix with OD10?
Mostly notelock, where'd you miss a previous circle and when trying to click the next one, you're still in the hit window of the previous circle, thus you can't click the next and you get screwed over the whole stream. OD10 allow you to avoid that, I'd even say OD10 makes the map easier to pass.
silmarilen
5,579 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
i dont see a reason to lower od. accuracy isnt even the problem with this map, and by the time it does become the problem it will be a good way to see who is actually the best instead of seeing the same old topscore list with everybody 99+ acc. and like gowo said at the top of this page, how much of a difference is od9.5 compared to od10 anyway? especially on a map like this. it's really not a reason to dq this imo.

there is no such thing as too high od on extra diffs, only too low.
Cherry Blossom
3,185 posts
Joined October 2011
Cherry Blossom
The day will come when a player will be able to get A rank on this map nomod. You still can hope for now.
Let's see what will happen in a few days. To be honest, QATs will have much headache with this map x)
Artorias_DELETED
Artorias_DELETED

Cherry Blossom wrote:

The day will come when a player will be able to get A rank on this map nomod. You still can hope for now.
Let's see what will happen in a few days. To be honest, QATs will have much headache with this map x)
rrtyui can easily get an A and a good combo on this. Reimu got a 93% "almost" pass on stream.

I assume Hvick will get a good score on it as well because he is so fast and can do the 270 streams and the fast jumps.
1319
515 posts
Joined June 2013
1319
HERE WE FUCKING GO BOYS

Artorias wrote:

Cherry Blossom wrote:

The day will come when a player will be able to get A rank on this map nomod. You still can hope for now.
Let's see what will happen in a few days. To be honest, QATs will have much headache with this map x)
rrtyui can easily get an A and a good combo on this. Reimu got a 93% "almost" pass on stream.

I assume Hvick will get a good score on it as well because he is so fast and can do the 270 streams and the fast jumps.
i think you are overestimating the skill of the players in this game
DT-sama
190 posts
Joined October 2013
DT-sama

Artorias wrote:

I still stand that the OD could be lowered to 9.5 probably, what kind of noteblock are you going to get with OD9.5 that you're gonna fix with OD10?
Good question. Let's find out.
Let's say an OD is good enough for a certain bpm if you can always hit an early 300 after missing a jump, like 180bpm OD7.
This map's bpm mostly fluctuates between 240~250bpm and has a long 270bpm section full of singletaps, so let's take those three bpms.

OD9 is no good:
240bpm - almost half of the hit window of early 300s (~ 25ms) is taken by the previous circle's hit window. The early hit window is effectively restricted to 15ms. As people usually hit jumps earlier when they miss one, this is pretty bad.
250bpm - same as above, but now you have 10ms.
270bpm - you can't hit the note perfectly on time, but you can hit it like 2ms late.

OD9.5 doesn't improve the situation by much:
240bpm - you can hit early 300s (you must be at least ~2ms late actually), but not early 100s, barely acceptable.
250bpm - you only have 15ms of early 300s. Not acceptable.
270bpm - you can actually hit the note on time now, but you can't hit it earlier than ~5ms.

OD10, which is the best we can do, and it is barely acceptable:
240bpm - no complaints here, OD10 is decent for 240bpm jumps.
250bpm - can't hit early 100s, OD10 is barely acceptable here.
270bpm - half of the early 300s hit window is gone. But the 270bpm singletaps in the map aren't jumpy at all, they could play like a stream, for which OD10 is more than enough.

Nomod ODs for streams of this bpm are simply hopeless, with OD9.5 being relatively worse than OD8 on 200bpm.
OD8 on 200bpm streams means that if you miss a note in a stream, you'll have to start streaming at least 45ms late to not notelock. On OD8, that means you'll be streaming 100s about ~13ms later than what you'd need to get 300.
Likewise, missing a note in a OD9.5 250bpm stream means that you'll end up streaming at least 45ms late. The difference is that, to get 300, you should've have started streaming ~23ms earlier, and you're closer to getting 50 than to getting 300. So, to compensate, you'll have to overstream faster/for more time, at a higher bpm to boot.
OD10 is still worse than OD8 on 200bpm, but you'll be streaming 40ms late, and you have only a ~18ms disadvantage to recover.
Even OD7 DT would've been better, in fact it would've been great, its hitwindow for 50s in 87ms, compared to the 100ms of OD10.

TL;DR: nomod OD's hit windows for 50s fucking suck and notelock everything, OD10 is a must on this map because of that. Play DT for saner hit window scaling.
Ciyus Miapah
3,011 posts
Joined June 2013
Ciyus Miapah
i feel agree with od10
since od9 and 9.5 will made this map harder
high od for harder maps for high players

well i hope this map didnt dqed for some "additional" reason
Purple
467 posts
Joined May 2011
Purple
Glad to see this type of music get through the ranking process
Kaguya Hourain
514 posts
Joined October 2012
Kaguya Hourain
Holy god
Spaghetti
1,118 posts
Joined August 2014
Spaghetti
>inb4 highest standard pp play ever on HT
Maeglwn
Maeglwn
good song, but not for osu

at all

od10 is also completely insane, have fun with that one
OmegaR
82 posts
Joined May 2014
OmegaR

Maeglwn wrote:

good song, but not for osu

at all

od10 is also completely insane, have fun with that one
And wh was?
Bass
1,846 posts
Joined January 2009
Bass
He probably meant by that Mazzerin's beatmap is unplayable for most of people while "wh" can be played normally without problems.
Maeglwn
Maeglwn

Wookiezi wrote:

Maeglwn wrote:

good song, but not for osu

at all

od10 is also completely insane, have fun with that one
And wh was?
why wouldn't it be? it's a song that has a stable bpm, has a good under 2 minute timer for the general mass of community, and featured a vast majority of difficulty settings to appeal to every player.

and it made people laugh while listening to it

honestly I think it was everything this game needs

regardless, my unranked map isn't the point, the point is the map at hand here. I love this song but honestly songs like this are too out there for most of the community
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,393 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan
Does wh became to a bad meme or why does it always get called for a bad example? Anyway, I'd say it's that what Bass said, though this requires more opinion from top-tier players to be judged properly. Complaining about the Difficulty of the map won't help and lead anywhere if you can't pass it.
Jenny
2,200 posts
Joined November 2010
Jenny
Can't say the over-the-top level of difficulty clashes with the song since it's just batshit insane - can't so much criticize the map for being ""wrong"" as you could question the song being decent fit for a rhythm game.

Either way, since this game's content is entirely communitydriven, cases like this are to be expected and well within those boundries.
Sure, it's brutally hard and just entirely crazy and probably not extremely enjoyable to more than 5-10 people, but that's not what an unrank should be about - I looked through the entire map and besides slider leniency being used quite wonkily (much less so than in 95% of other maps), there's no issue in terms of improper mapping.


Yes it's ugly, yes it's brutal, but if you're gonna have firstly a rhytm game that is secondly driven by the community, then this is what you are going to end up with: a free choice of song and the mapper's interpretation as such. A tame and super-consistent snap of 1.2x 1.6 SV @160 BPM wouldn't really do it justice, as ugly as the song is.


Also, what's a "wh"?




Mazzerin
493 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Mazzerin

Maeglwn wrote:

why wouldn't it be? it's a song that has a stable bpm, has a good under 2 minute timer for the general mass of community, and featured a vast majority of difficulty settings to appeal to every player.

and it made people laugh while listening to it

honestly I think it was everything this game needs

regardless, my unranked map isn't the point, the point is the map at hand here. I love this song but honestly songs like this are too out there for most of the community
oh come on, there are probably at least 500 people who can play it properly and 1/10th of them should be able to pass, it's not even that bad. alumetorz said he was surprised the star rating was that high until he saw the solo
Maeglwn
Maeglwn

Mazzerin wrote:

oh come on, there are probably at least 500 people who can play it properly and 1/10th of them should be able to pass, it's not even that bad. alumetorz said he was surprised the star rating was that high until he saw the solo
the song

the song

the song

Maeglwn wrote:

the song
hoozimajiget
45 posts
Joined December 2009
hoozimajiget

Maeglwn wrote:

I love this song but honestly songs like this are too out there for most of the community
No one was up in arms about this when Bal-Sagoth was ranked, why now?
Maeglwn
Maeglwn

hoozimajiget wrote:

Maeglwn wrote:

I love this song but honestly songs like this are too out there for most of the community
No one was up in arms about this when Bal-Sagoth was ranked, why now?
because I didn't notice or care about balsagoth

somebody showed this to me so I felt the need to comment
Sieg
3,981 posts
Joined February 2012
Sieg

Maeglwn wrote:

Mazzerin wrote:

oh come on, there are probably at least 500 people who can play it properly and 1/10th of them should be able to pass, it's not even that bad. alumetorz said he was surprised the star rating was that high until he saw the solo
the song

the song

the song

Maeglwn wrote:

the song
the variety
Mazzerin
493 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Mazzerin

Maeglwn wrote:

the song

the song

the song

Maeglwn wrote:

the song
whats wrong with the song?? ive never seen any anime and i cant see any artistic value or meaning in 99% of those songs where the vocalists pretend theyre 7 years old. however you dont seeme complaining about it in every thread where some awful anime song is ranked. im not waiting for anyone else to start mapping music i like, and so im doing it all by myself. you dont like it, you dont play it, its not that hard to ignore it
Kasie
Kasie
For some reason this looks more easy than time freeze, maybe the hp drain is too generous? 6/7 clears already, I hope it stays ranked, these songs benefit the community
7ambda
2,560 posts
Joined January 2015
7ambda

Zeugmax wrote:

For some reason this looks more easy than time freeze, maybe the hp drain is too generous? 6/7 clears already, I hope it stays ranked, these songs benefit the community
I think it's harder, even if it has lower hp drain. There hasn't been one HT fc yet.
Ciyus Miapah
3,011 posts
Joined June 2013
Ciyus Miapah
oh come one we're just an minority on here, not like an otaku and anime tv size songs fans

probably metalcore is very good song here.

and this just a game, why so serious :D
ac8129464363
1,560 posts
Joined October 2013
ac8129464363
are we seriously complaining about song choice e_e

let people try to map whatever they want, the quality of the map is the only thing that should show in the end
Maeglwn
Maeglwn

Mazzerin wrote:

whats wrong with the song?? ive never seen any anime and i cant see any artistic value or meaning in 99% of those songs where the vocalists pretend theyre 7 years old. however you dont seeme complaining about it in every thread where some awful anime song is ranked. im not waiting for anyone else to start mapping music i like, and so im doing it all by myself. you dont like it, you dont play it, its not that hard to ignore it
holy shit man, are you just going so far off the deep end that you're completely not reading anything I say

I already said I liked the song in 2 different posts literally within 10 minutes of each other, please read

you're misinterpreting everything I'm saying apparently
A Mystery
868 posts
Joined April 2013
A Mystery

Maeglwn wrote:

good song, but not for osu

at all

od10 is also completely insane, have fun with that one

Mazzerin wrote:

whats wrong with the song?? ive never seen any anime and i cant see any artistic value or meaning in 99% of those songs where the vocalists pretend theyre 7 years old. however you dont seeme complaining about it in every thread where some awful anime song is ranked. im not waiting for anyone else to start mapping music i like, and so im doing it all by myself. you dont like it, you dont play it, its not that hard to ignore it
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