tasuke912 wrote:

Hi.

[ Kantan]

1. 00:05:154 (9,10,11) - 反転(kkd)
   00:06:750 (13) - Delete
   4回目のみd-kkd-kの配置となっていますが、2回目も同じような配置にした方が自然なパターンになるのではないでしょうか。 - 00:01:963 - から 00:07:069 - までを1つのパターンとしているので、自然さ、統一感の意味では問題無いと(自分の中では)思います！
2. 01:10:260 Change to slider - 休憩も兼ねて。Kantanではパターン変化で部分ごとの区切りをつけるのが難しいので、連打を使うとスッキリするかなと思います。 - 以前mod内でもチラっと触れましたが、他ゲームと違い、osu!Taikoのスライダーは有限で天井点が定められているので意味合いが少し変わってきますし、そのためにリズム良く1/4の連打を叩かせるのは少し酷だと感じています。何も考えずにガチャガチャ出来るスピンの方が休憩という意味では理に適っていますが、性質上曲/譜面の流れには絶望的に合いませんし、つまり、スライダーは1つの1/4パターンとして認識しているので極力低難易度では使いたくないです。
3. 01:58:770 Change to slider - 曲はこの後ピアノが暴れているので、譜面はそこまで激しくなくても区切る必要があると思います。 - 上記同様。また、サビからピアノのパートまでシームレスに勢いを継続している印象なので、KIAI終わりで区切る程度で十分かなとも感じます。

[ Futsuu]

1. 00:48:558 (166) move to 00:48:399 - 少々偶数にくどさを感じたのと、近くの配置との統一性を考えるとここは奇数の方が良いかなと思います。 - パターンの繋ぎ目として必要なfinisherなのでそのままにします。

[ Muzukashii]

1. 00:06:590 (26,27) Ctrl+G - この場合電子音の位置は同じ色で揃えた方が良いように感じました。 - Editorの仕様上、場所がよくわかりませんでした;-;
2. 02:28:131 - 減速で付点8分が来るのは視認性も考えると少々厳しいように感じます。
   現段階の構成をなるべく維持したまま視認性を向上させるとしたら、02:28:370 (715,716,719) 辺りを削除するのが自然かなと思います。 - moved 02:28:370 (715) - to 02:28:450 - instead. and make a different flow from 02:33:237 - .

[ Oni]

1. 02:28:370 (940) Delete - Muzukashii同様減速で付点8分はかなり見づらいです。Oniではこの配置を消した方が見やすく、譜面の入り方も綺麗なのではないかなと思います。 - 確かに全体的に見辛いし減速を維持したままアレをこうしようとしている自分が少し可哀想ですが、曲の流れや緩急としては今のパターンが好きなのでそのままにしたいです。 現在のボーカル合わせのパターン自体は1、2番のサビで学習出来るレベルだと思うので大丈夫だと思います。

[ Inner Oni]

1. 既に完成形だと思います。Perfect. - ﾟ+.(◕ฺ ω◕ฺ )ﾟ+.

1秒でも早くランクドされて欲しいです。

thanks for the mod! サプライズなmodありがとうございました！

doublepost about the metadata.

i was using ChouchouP as the artist name but i have changed to CyoucyoP(inverted artist and tag.)
took ChouchouP from Ranked mapset because i wanted the consistency of the artist name with Ranked mapset. but i couldn't find the reliable proof that his name is ChouchouP.
so, i'm going to follow the official website and the official twitter. they are using cyoucyo in the domain name, twitter id.
http://cyoucyo.com/
http://twitter.com/papiyon_cyoucyo

also insert image which shows the artist and the song title, just in case.


when?

omg that Romanised Artist
/me shocked

Zero__wind wrote:

omg that Romanised Artist
/me shocked

looks quite weird though

╭( ･ㅂ･)/
Let's get this going.
Kantan and Futsuu need some difficulty adjustment. I am personally okay with how they are, but in the bigger picture, they should have more standard difficulty curve. Some people will complain if you don't make them a little easier and that might lead to problems later, however I have some good ides on how to do this.
As usual, red things are unrankable.
Let's do this. ╭( ･ㅂ･)و

[General]
Did you consider a widescreen background?

[Storyboard/Video]

1. Make sure widescreen support is turned off in all diffs. If it stays on, the video will upscale and break.
   
   SPOILER

   
2. You should add a storyboard element to cover the top half of the video, so you avoid skin clashing. People who have their top slider bar disabled will see the video and flashing, and it will be very distracting.
   Try this: http://puu.sh/gIMXr/abd8c9eeb5.png
   
   1. Use it as a SB element.
   2. In the .OSB use the following lines in the Background section:
      
      SPOILER

      Sprite,Background,Centre,"bars.png",320,129
       S,0,0,197758,0.625

[Kantan]

1. SV 1.0 recommended, 1.2 feels a little too fast.
2. 00:00:000 - 00:12:175 - I recommend to use less 1/1 here, this is just an intro. The drums are very active, but it feels a bit strange to have 1/1 patterns representing them.
   For example:
   00:02:920 (5) - move to 00:04:197 -
   00:05:473 (10) - del
   00:08:026 (15) - move to 00:08:026 (15) -
   00:10:580 (20) - del -> this is highly recommended, since 00:11:537 (22,23) - create a different rhythm, so more rest is appropriate.
3. 01:04:834 (9) - I recommend to delete, the rhythm change at 01:05:632 (11,12) - is easier to read and predict.
4. 01:09:621 (20) - k?
5. 01:53:344 (9) - same as 01:04:834 (9) -
6. 01:58:131 (20) - k?
7. 02:37:386 (11) - Probably better to remove, it might feel sudden since you were using really large breaks in this section.
8. 02:41:854 (22) - This time, I am actually ok with this. :p
9. 02:46:641 (33) - k?

[Futsuu]

1. 01:02:760 (7) - You should probably remove this, save it for later for variety (next chorus). Introduce the base rhythm first in my opinion, doesn't have to be as hard currently.
2. 01:05:313 (18) - ^
3. 01:11:776 (46) - I strongly recommend to remove this. A rest moment will really make a difference here. Rhythm changes after long patterns should be avoided in lower diffs in my opinion.
4. 01:21:749 - 01:31:962 - I actually think that following vocals only doesn't fit that well. The part after is okay since you are adding more notes on spots other instruments play, so I would suggest you remap this section a little, creating more beat oriented patterns.
5. 02:02:599 (56,57,58,59,60,61) - I am not sure if following the piano is the right thing to do here, but it's alright. Consider changing it so a more stable rhythm is achieved (02:02:919 (58) - a rhythm which has this as a kat).
6. 02:20:153 (117) - Should probably remove. The drumroll can be tiring, and having this so close after can be hard to play.
7. 02:37:386 (20) - You should probably remove this. The scroll speed change is much better without this, should make it easier to read and play.
8. 02:51:349 (78) - Remove imo.

[Muzukashii]

1. 00:11:218 (54) - Remove please. It makes it much better and a bit easier.
2. 00:53:984 (264) - This is quite difficult to read in widescreen. The slowdown makes it appear right next to the finisher. Should avoid such overlaps for non Oni diffs. Might want to remove the slowdown entirely.
   
   SPOILER

   
3. 01:42:494 - Should just remove this slowdown, you already have a slower section and this one has less notes already.
4. 02:03:876 (596,597,598,599,600) - Use ddkdk on 1/2 instead? Some variety.
5. 02:20:791 (686) - Widescreen slowdown problem again.
6. 02:28:450 (715) - ^ same

[Oni]

1. Drain 5.5?
2. 01:48:876 (661,662,663,664,665) - kkddd maybe? kkkdd feels out of place because it's an odd pattern and you didn't have any odd patterns in the map. Besides, the drums in the music would suggest kkddd as well. :3

[Inner]

1. 01:54:302 (874) - kat strongly recommended for a more rich rhythm.
2. 01:54:621 (878) - ^
3. 02:08:982 (1027,1028,1029,1030,1031,1032,1033,1034,1035,1036,1037,1038,1039,1040,1041) - This part of the stream was hard to follow because I just couldn't find the appropriate music for it.
   Suggested change:
   
   SPOILER

   
   |
   v
   
4. 02:17:759 - I still recommend to have this mapped with a don.
5. 02:19:514 (1132,1133,1134,1135,1136,1137) - [kkkd]dk -> [kddk]kd? I think it actually flows better and it makes a nicer end if you consider the drums (I know you focused mostly on piano, but I like it like this a little better)

Hopefully the end of the world is coming soon! ╭( ･ㅂ･)و

lolcubes wrote:

╭( ･ㅂ･)/
Let's get this going.
Kantan and Futsuu need some difficulty adjustment. I am personally okay with how they are, but in the bigger picture, they should have more standard difficulty curve. Some people will complain if you don't make them a little easier and that might lead to problems later, however I have some good ides on how to do this.
As usual, red things are unrankable.
Let's do this. ╭( ･ㅂ･)و

[General]
Did you consider a widescreen background? - i'm using 4:3 BG intentionally because just i don't play in 16:9. BG and video were adjusted for 4:3.

[Storyboard/Video]

1. Make sure widescreen support is turned off in all diffs. If it stays on, the video will upscale and break. - ahh i didn't notice that widescreen support was checking. but i think that video never affected by widescreen support. Inner Oni didn't have widescreen support, and the video has been breaking already. this is the reason why i recommended to use 1024x768 when you play this. if i'm misunderstanding, slap me╭( ;ㅂ;)و
   
   SPOILER

   
2. You should add a storyboard element to cover the top half of the video, so you avoid skin clashing. People who have their top slider bar disabled will see the video and flashing, and it will be very distracting. - added bars.png and .osb file as you mentioned way, thanks a lot. will that be fine?
   Try this: http://puu.sh/gIMXr/abd8c9eeb5.png
   
   1. Use it as a SB element.
   2. In the .OSB use the following lines in the Background section:
      
      SPOILER

      Sprite,Background,Centre,"bars.png",320,129
       S,0,0,197758,0.625

[Kantan]

1. SV 1.0 recommended, 1.2 feels a little too fast. - i thought SV1.0 is fine. but at the same time, i wanted to follow/respect the pace of the song. 1.2 is kinda fast but it's better way to respect the song. maybe some peoples recommend to set 1.4 because of new guideline. they're addicting to the latest trend. *rude*
2. 00:00:000 - 00:12:175 - I recommend to use less 1/1 here, this is just an intro. The drums are very active, but it feels a bit strange to have 1/1 patterns representing them. - fixed as the following examples. that sounds not bad, rather nice.
   For example:
   00:02:920 (5) - move to 00:04:197 -
   00:05:473 (10) - del
   00:08:026 (15) - move to 00:08:026 (15) -
   00:10:580 (20) - del -> this is highly recommended, since 00:11:537 (22,23) - create a different rhythm, so more rest is appropriate.
3. 01:04:834 (9) - I recommend to delete, the rhythm change at 01:05:632 (11,12) - is easier to read and predict. - removed. and 01:04:515 (8) - changed to kat. it works for variety.
4. 01:09:621 (20) - k? - i don't know why but i can't explain. don sounds nicely. and it's working for the flow in 01:06:430 - ~ 01:11:536 -
5. 01:53:344 (9) - same as 01:04:834 (9) - - and changed 01:53:025 (8) - to don as well.
6. 01:58:131 (20) - k? - the same. i would like to keep this one.
7. 02:37:386 (11) - Probably better to remove, it might feel sudden since you were using really large breaks in this section. - indeed, pattern was a bit excess.
8. 02:41:854 (22) - This time, I am actually ok with this. :p - because of last kiai, right? :3
9. 02:46:641 (33) - k? - the same.

[Futsuu]

1. 01:02:760 (7) - You should probably remove this, save it for later for variety (next chorus). Introduce the base rhythm first in my opinion, doesn't have to be as hard currently. - it makes sense. fixed.
2. 01:05:313 (18) - ^ - ^
3. 01:11:776 (46) - I strongly recommend to remove this. A rest moment will really make a difference here. Rhythm changes after long patterns should be avoided in lower diffs in my opinion. - i was thinking for a bit long time lol well, i will try to remove this.
4. 01:21:749 - 01:31:962 - I actually think that following vocals only doesn't fit that well. The part after is okay since you are adding more notes on spots other instruments play, so I would suggest you remap this section a little, creating more beat oriented patterns. - added and changed some. i hope that should be fine.
5. 02:02:599 (56,57,58,59,60,61) - I am not sure if following the piano is the right thing to do here, but it's alright. Consider changing it so a more stable rhythm is achieved (02:02:919 (58) - a rhythm which has this as a kat). - followed the piano sound a bit, i think that the pattern is fine as pattern-oriented.
6. 02:20:153 (117) - Should probably remove. The drumroll can be tiring, and having this so close after can be hard to play. - removed.
7. 02:37:386 (20) - You should probably remove this. The scroll speed change is much better without this, should make it easier to read and play. - removed note and green section. it's also working for emphasizing kkkkd now.
8. 02:51:349 (78) - Remove imo. - got it

[Muzukashii]

1. 00:11:218 (54) - Remove please. It makes it much better and a bit easier. - you're right, fixed.
2. 00:53:984 (264) - This is quite difficult to read in widescreen. The slowdown makes it appear right next to the finisher. Should avoid such overlaps for non Oni diffs. Might want to remove the slowdown entirely. - oh i didn't notice. and it seems legit. fuck widescreen T^T
   
   SPOILER

   
3. 01:42:494 - Should just remove this slowdown, you already have a slower section and this one has less notes already. - call me baka, thanks. well, removed all slowdowns.
4. 02:03:876 (596,597,598,599,600) - Use ddkdk on 1/2 instead? Some variety. - ddkkd and ddkkd were kinda bored indeed. fixed!
5. 02:20:791 (686) - Widescreen slowdown problem again. - removed.
6. 02:28:450 (715) - ^ same - readjusted. i want to leave this section.

[Oni]

1. Drain 5.5? - maybe 6 is fine. there are no complex patten and rhythm as an Oni. it fits well for middle-player.
2. 01:48:876 (661,662,663,664,665) - kkddd maybe? kkkdd feels out of place because it's an odd pattern and you didn't have any odd patterns in the map. Besides, the drums in the music would suggest kkddd as well. :3 - yes, and sounds better then kkkdd.

[Inner]

1. 01:54:302 (874) - kat strongly recommended for a more rich rhythm.
2. 01:54:621 (878) - ^ - fixed them. and 01:54:381 (875) - changed to don. plays/looks better than kkdkkdk.
3. 02:08:982 (1027,1028,1029,1030,1031,1032,1033,1034,1035,1036,1037,1038,1039,1040,1041) - This part of the stream was hard to follow because I just couldn't find the appropriate music for it. - i just wanted to use dddd from back-beat. lol there is no reason for denying your suggestion.
   Suggested change:
   
   SPOILER

   
   |
   v
   
4. 02:17:759 - I still recommend to have this mapped with a don. - no please ;_; what you suggested pattern has kinda unbalanced break. i can move 02:17:520 (1111) - to 02:17:759 - instead. but if i do, as i said, single-tap player will beat 02:19:514 - with nondominannt hand. i will cry, i will ragequit. i will uninstall osu.
5. 02:19:514 (1132,1133,1134,1135,1136,1137) - [kkkd]dk -> [kddk]kd? I think it actually flows better and it makes a nicer end if you consider the drums (I know you focused mostly on piano, but I like it like this a little better) - i prefer to use simple pattern for 1/6s. usually, i will do only for alone 1/6s.

Hopefully the end of the world is coming soon! ╭( ･ㅂ･)و

thanks a lot for taking your precious time for the map. i took many things from you. thank you again.

For some reason, there is no .osb file in the folder, so bars.png isn't getting on screen (and forces the video to upscale in widescreen resolutions). Might wanna check that again. (if the normal upload doesn't create it, you can delete 215476.osz2 from ..\osu!\Data\SubmissionCache and it will force a full upload)

ahh i didn't notice that widescreen support was checking. but i think that video never affected by widescreen support. Inner Oni didn't have widescreen support, and the video has been breaking already. this is the reason why i recommended to use 1024x768 when you play this. if i'm misunderstanding, slap me╭( ;ㅂ;)و

You are correct, but if you add a storyboard via .osb and bars.png, it will correct itself and add letterboxing in widescreen resolutions. ╭( ･ㅂ･)و

TKS wrote:

no please ;_; what you suggested pattern has kinda unbalanced break. i can move 02:17:520 (1111) - to 02:17:759 - instead. but if i do, as i said, single-tap player will beat 02:19:514 - with nondominannt hand. i will cry, i will ragequit. i will uninstall osu.

It's just a suggestion, I know you said already why you don't want it and I can understand the pain of the offhand beat streams ;_;

Everything else checks out, lets fix this and push it forward. ╭( ･ㅂ･)و

lolcubes wrote:

You are correct, but if you add a storyboard via .osb and bars.png, it will correct itself and add letterboxing in widescreen resolutions. ╭( ･ㅂ･)و

confirmed and updated. i thought that adjusting the video in both 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios was impossible. i can no longer thank you enough...
really, really thanks a lot. i love you.

There is just one more thing, the video offset seems to be going in the wrong direction. The correct video offset would be 29, not -29 (when applying video offset, it works just like local, so it's totally opposite of universal). You can easily check this in the 3/4 part, where the letters on the screen are too early with -29, but are just on time with 29 (same with the ending, looks just right with 29). I would probably recommend to round it down to 25 though.

went with 25. i'm glad that you're taking care so much carefully!

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To the clouds we go.

To BNs: The difficulty of each individual map is on the higher side, but that is what makes this set consistent, every diff is on the harder side with Inner being really difficult. Just a comment to avoid confusion with "this is too hard for this diff" stuff.

ありがとう(；＿；)

finally.

Marked. I think I will recheck this tomorrow.

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Marked. I think I will recheck this tomorrow.

take your time, thanks in advance!

Beautiful map!

nice!!!!!

Congrats!

wtf but thank you

Kodora wrote:

Beautiful map!

lol.

Congrats anyway~ :3

Congrats!!
I should work in my standart ver.

おめでとうございます 　gratz

Congrats!

おめでとうございます！

╭( ･ㅂ･)و

My concern is taking urls as official sources.
Basically what has been done here is that the urls that had cyoucyo have been used as the official source:
http://cyoucyo.com/
https://twitter.com/papiyon_cyoucyo

But you can see that he goes by papiyon（蝶々P）






if by basing things on a url, then things would be so wrong for artists like:
Reol (れをる) https://twitter.com/RRReol
utsuP (鬱P) https://twitter.com/asshole_wii
ひとしずくP (HitoshizukuP) http://samonchi.blog32.fc2.com/ https://twitter.com/samorira9

What I'm trying to get to is basically don't use the url as reference for official sources. His English name that uses and that is recognised is papiyon, this is why there is never any mention of the translation of 蝶々P, which is apparently ChouchouP, when translated directly, which is what happens when there isn't a English name used right? That's what is done for Artists and Titles; you directly translate them to the romaji.
For further explanation of this composer and how he gets his names: Chouchou is butterfly in Japanese, Papiyon is butterfly in French (it should be written 'papillon', but I guess no one would know how to pronounce it)

I vehemently oppose this way of getting an 'official' source by taking a url, because it's honestly flawed and not always correct. I also refuse to use 'CyoucyoP' and the official, and I do not want to be linked to this mapset in the future when I map songs from 蝶々P
In the first place then, why is it CyoucyoP and not cyoucyoP, whch is what the url says. It's not like Capitals are not allowed, just look at Reol's example, or 骨盤P (Kotsuban-P) https://twitter.com/KotsBeirne

He goes by papiyon（蝶々P） or vice versa, and with the songs using 蝶々P, official way is to direct translate that, which is to ChouchouP

neonat wrote:

What I'm trying to get to is basically don't use the url as reference for official sources. His English name that uses and that is recognised is papiyon, this is why there is never any mention of the translation of 蝶々P, which is apparently ChouchoP, when translated directly, which is what happens when there isn't a English name used right? That's what is done for Artists and Titles; you directly translate them to the romaji.

He goes by papiyon（蝶々P） or vice versa, and with the songs using 蝶々P, official way is to direct translate that, which is to ChouchoP

so you mean papiyon should be the best choice forr the Romanised Artist here?

Zero__wind wrote:

neonat wrote:

What I'm trying to get to is basically don't use the url as reference for official sources. His English name that uses and that is recognised is papiyon, this is why there is never any mention of the translation of 蝶々P, which is apparently ChouchouP, when translated directly, which is what happens when there isn't a English name used right? That's what is done for Artists and Titles; you directly translate them to the romaji.

He goes by papiyon（蝶々P） or vice versa, and with the songs using 蝶々P, official way is to direct translate that, which is to ChouchouP

so you mean papiyon should be the best choice forr the Romanised Artist here?

I would say the direct translation of 蝶々P would be most appropriate here, which is ChouchouP

Because for this, it's almost as if papiyon is used separately, just like how うたたP has the name t.Komine, but is referred to as UtataP. Or like クリスタルP, who is CrystalP and HzEdge. Since 蝶々P is used for the tracklisting, have it as such.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/cyoucyop/id550119872
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_srch_dr ... ch-type=ss
https://www.tumblr.com/search/cyoucyop
http://www.last.fm/music/CyoucyoP

I could go on. All I did was a google search, and I would say the sources up there are quite reliable.

I'd think this is fit the most (Maybe I'm wrong, but just how the artist write. You can see from the neonat's post):

Artist: 蝶々P (papiyon) feat.初音ミク
Roman Artist: CyoucyoP (papiyon) feat.Hatsune Miku

That is not correct.



From the official site.
There are mentions of papiyon as well (from the official site), but not as the artist+title, it has some more things in it which I sadly cannot read, but this is the logo for this project where it clearly shows the artist and the title.



Here's more. Clearly shows exact artist name and title.

lolcubes wrote:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/cyoucyop/id550119872
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_srch_dr ... ch-type=ss
https://www.tumblr.com/search/cyoucyop
http://www.last.fm/music/CyoucyoP

I could go on. All I did was a google search, and I would say the sources up there are quite reliable.

Let's start with the itunes one.
Some simple searches of other artists, and I don't see it as a really reliable source as it's full of mistakes
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/if-th ... d724673182
https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/hito ... d663301713
https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/sasa ... d307086919
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/rest-ep/id866953106

The album here in question this song is from isn't even under that search anyway, it is under the usual 蝶々P
https://itunes.apple.com/jp/album/end-w ... d934701337

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_srch_dr ... ch-type=ss
As for Amazon we already know some of the tracklist and artists that they give is also inaccurate, as we saw from the otetsu song
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_ex_p_n_f ... 7909&ajr=2
http://www.amazon.com/umbrella-feat-Meg ... u+umbrella

https://www.tumblr.com/search/cyoucyop
this is based on what the user types as tags or in the post itself, you can find anything
https://www.tumblr.com/search/%E8%9D%B6%E3%80%85P+
https://www.tumblr.com/search/chouchop

That is the same for last.fm http://www.last.fm/music/CyoucyoP
it tracks whatever the user had used for the artist, so even if someone was listening to something with a wrong artist field, it will still store it.
http://www.last.fm/music/ChouchoP
http://www.last.fm/music/%E8%9D%B6%E3%80%85P
http://www.last.fm/music/%5Bunknown%5D
http://www.last.fm/music/T%252BPazolite+Feat.+Rizna
http://www.last.fm/music/dBu
http://www.last.fm/music/%E2%80%9A%C3%A ... B%C2%81%5B
http://www.last.fm/music/Sakuzyo


My initial worry was that it looked like the reference was based loosely on just urls, but none of these links help the cause. There is already a singer Choucho, what if the urls are different so that there can be differentiation? Those Japanese to English translated searches on those music sites are not very accurate, you know by now. There is still nothing shown on the official websites, and that is why the direct translation is needed.

neonat wrote:

Let's start with the itunes one.
Some simple searches of other artists, and I don't see it as a really reliable source as it's full of mistakes

neonat wrote:

As for Amazon we already know some of the tracklist and artists that they give is also inaccurate, as we saw from the otetsu song

Stop searching for other artists, it's like comparing apples and oranges and saying that both are wrong and bananas are the way to go.

neonat wrote:

Those Japanese to English translated searches on those music sites are not very accurate, you know by now. There is still nothing shown on the official websites, and that is why the direct translation is needed.

Which was already given by some sources. Why are you so keen on denying this? Do you really dislike that name because you are used to the other one?
You are trying to prove everyone wrong by posting things which hold no water. You are not posting any official hint or a proof, you are just saying that we are all wrong and you are right.

Pretty much all official sources hint that it's CyoucyoP. Even their official youtube channel. I guess next thing you will say is that youtube is also not a reliable source. I agree, but it's their official channel, come on.

I'm out.

neonat wrote:

But you can see that he goes by papiyon（蝶々P）

SPOILER

Pictures from:
https://twitter.com/papiyon_cyoucyo
http://cyoucyo.com/FictionalWorld/
http://papiyon-at.com/
http://cyoucyo.com/

? it means "also known as". waht wrong with you?

neonat wrote:

if by basing things on a url, then things would be so wrong for artists like:
Reol (れをる) https://twitter.com/RRReol
utsuP (鬱P) https://twitter.com/asshole_wii
ひとしずくP (HitoshizukuP) http://samonchi.blog32.fc2.com/ https://twitter.com/samorira9

don't suggest different cases with this case.
i could not find a reliable source from the official. i just presented his twitter id to increase the credibility of the cyoucyo.com.

neonat wrote:

I vehemently oppose this way of getting an 'official' source by taking a url, because it's honestly flawed and not always correct. I also refuse to use 'CyoucyoP' and the official, and I do not want to be linked to this mapset in the future when I map songs from 蝶々P
In the first place then, why is it CyoucyoP and not cyoucyoP, whch is what the url says. It's not like Capitals are not allowed, just look at Reol's example, or 骨盤P (Kotsuban-P) https://twitter.com/KotsBeirne

He goes by papiyon（蝶々P） or vice versa, and with the songs using 蝶々P, official way is to direct translate that, which is to ChouchoP

ちょ can be written as Cyo instead of Cho. in fact, there is no strict rules in romaji that Cy is a mistake. i just got a hint from the official how to romanization his name.
in the first place, Cyoucyo or cyoucyo is not important thing because of p/3958889

lolcubes wrote:

Stop searching for other artists, it's like comparing apples and oranges and saying that both are wrong and bananas are the way to go.

It's not about explicitly saying that is wrong, neither is this about comparing apples and oranges. This is about using that as a trustworthy source. It's like why using sites like database sites and wiki isn't really what should be done, because about credibility.

lolcubes wrote:

Which was already given by some sources. Why are you so keen on denying this?

I already spoke about the credibility of some of the sources mentioned. It's not like I want to deny this, I just want to know really clear about this, because I have been saying for this whole thing, I have only seen it being said as official only because of urls, that is how I see it, that view hasn't been changed by what has been said. Why so specifically this map is because I also map vocaloid stuff, of course I want to know fully and very well about this. I am seriously not very convinced so far, that is my only issue.

lolcubes wrote:

Even their official youtube channel.

I have looked at the YouTube channel, and am not aware of anything for it to indicate as such, I hope you can clarify me on this because I am unable to do so. It's this site right? https://www.youtube.com/user/papiyonmusic

TKS wrote:

? it means "also known as". waht wrong with you?

I know that, that's why I never said anything about naming this as papiyon. What I am showing is that I just don't see cyoucyo anywhere?

TKS wrote:

i could not find a reliable source from the official. i just presented his twitter id to increase the credibility of the cyoucyo.com.

This is basically the gist of what I am hoping to find clearer understanding of. Thank you for saying this, I myself also cannot find anything about choucho or cyoucyo. I just find it not concrete enough because he might be trying to differentiate himself from Choucho the singer. Of course, this is an assumption. That is what you use to back up the case, what I had been doing is just only to present examples as to why it might not always be the case that the id is accurate, which is why, can there be something more solid as well to support? That is what I am asking.

TKS wrote:

ちょ can be written as Cyo instead of Cho. in fact, there is no strict rules in romaji that Cy is a mistake. i just got a hint from the official how to romanization his name.
in the first place, Cyoucyo or cyoucyo is not important thing because of p/3958889

This is also a nice explanation for me, because clarification of the Japanese language helps a great deal, thanks. So it means to say that the way he used 蝶々might also have like a mispronunciation and that he uses it as cy or this? Just like how he has papillon misspelled?

Please don't be angry with me for this, I am trying to find answers by asking for this case, so that I know more. I am really trying to find explanation here. Since I map Vocaloid songs, I want to know more, in case I ever map this composer, for example. My final question is this: must it be CyoucyoP? If I ever map this composer, will it be wrong with having it ChouchouP from 蝶々P. I have always known this composer from the direct translation of that Japanese name. I can't really see the fault in that, if you can help me answer this, that would be great. As to why, it's because I still see the 'Cy' as doubtful, ChouchouP is accepted in the widespread vocaloid public fanbase

Sorry about the way I present things, but this is really literally a just "here are some examples where I think using the url or id might be doubtful, can you please explain or clarify why this is as such?" And also a "since it's not really clear, why not use the translation directly derived from the words" post, hence I am not presenting any 'official proof' to substantiate what I am proposing, because it simply is just a translation.