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I actcually found a good way to solve it. lower 0.5 hp and separate one long spinner in two on lenghts like i did on E-N. Dont want to lower od just beacuse it bettersuits for song.
I want to dq btw...
It would be ok if such thing would only on extra(still bad but...) till maps mapped for nm as loctav said.
But when half mapset is unpassable with hr(especially LI which can fced even by 5k players for my point of view) it becomes little joke about players.
I really feel sorry and i wont repeat same mistake anymore.
Bring personal excuses to Rumia-, Nwolf, Bakari, Sieg ;w;
I want to dq btw...
It would be ok if such thing would only on extra(still bad but...) till maps mapped for nm as loctav said.
But when half mapset is unpassable with hr(especially LI which can fced even by 5k players for my point of view) it becomes little joke about players.
I really feel sorry and i wont repeat same mistake anymore.
Bring personal excuses to Rumia-, Nwolf, Bakari, Sieg ;w;
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Sounds great, but what do you think about simply lowering the HP to 5? The Extra diff is very punishing as it stands, and I don't feel it needs a high HP drain. Maybe even 5.5. What are your thoughts about it?fergas wrote:
I actcually found a good way to solve it. lower 0.5 hp and separate one long spinner in two on lenghts like i did on E-N. Dont want to lower od just beacuse it bettersuits for song.
I want to dq btw...
It would be ok if such thing would only on extra(still bad but...) till maps mapped for nm as loctav said.
But when half mapset is unpassable with hr(especially LI which can fced even by 5k players for my point of view) it becomes little joke about players.
I really feel sorry and i wont repeat same mistake anymore.
Bring personal excuses to Rumia-, Nwolf, Bakari, Sieg ;w;
Anyways awesome map, looking forward for it to get ranked
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zivbu9 wrote:
Sounds great, but what do you think about simply lowering the HP to 5? The Extra diff is very punishing as it stands, and I don't feel it needs a high HP drain. Maybe even 5.5. What are your thoughts about it?fergas wrote:
I actcually found a good way to solve it. lower 0.5 hp and separate one long spinner in two on lenghts like i did on E-N. Dont want to lower od just beacuse it bettersuits for song.
I want to dq btw...
It would be ok if such thing would only on extra(still bad but...) till maps mapped for nm as loctav said.
But when half mapset is unpassable with hr(especially LI which can fced even by 5k players for my point of view) it becomes little joke about players.
I really feel sorry and i wont repeat same mistake anymore.
Bring personal excuses to Rumia-, Nwolf, Bakari, Sieg ;w;
Anyways awesome map, looking forward for it to get ranked
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zivbu9 wrote:
Sounds great, but what do you think about simply lowering the HP to 5? The Extra diff is very punishing as it stands, and I don't feel it needs a high HP drain. Maybe even 5.5. What are your thoughts about it?
Anyways awesome map, looking forward for it to get ranked
5 or 5.5 is too low hp rate for challenging maps but yes - 7 is very high. With 6 rate two spinners abosolutely passable with ~340 spinning]
up uhhh. sry doubel post - typed from phone
Having the end spinner divided into 2 spinners makes hp 7 on extra fine for a hr pass imo, doesn't come close to something like murmur twins in the hr spinner pass difficulty i.e. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/71856 where rrtyui was spinning ~430-450 to pass.
Edit: a word
Edit: a word
We do not disqualify maps upon request. If this map so happens to be disqualified through our own anaylsis then feel free to fix it then.
If this issue is unable to be fixed that's pretty sad. But still, grats, great map anyways :/
Yeah, I quite honestly think it requires a DQ, and not only because of the mapper's request. Despite Loctav's point, I feel like it should not be impossible with a mod, there's just something about that that makes absolutely no sense to me when it's going to be a ranked map and there's no warning whatsoever for those who are going to play it with HR in the future.
The map should be fully enjoyed by everyone, in this case it should be passable with HR for those who highly prefer it.
The map should be fully enjoyed by everyone, in this case it should be passable with HR for those who highly prefer it.
I have again no idea what I am talking about.
There is a difference between doing an error and tweaking diff settings upon request, because you can not HR the beatmap. Your mindset fails on all ends.
If you are able to find a proper reason why the diff settings should be fixed (HR is no reason), we are all up to appeal with the mappers request.
Everything else is invalid.
If you are able to find a proper reason why the diff settings should be fixed (HR is no reason), we are all up to appeal with the mappers request.
Everything else is invalid.
Nobody ever knew this. What happened to revealing the QAT rules to the public.Lust wrote:
We do not disqualify maps upon request. If this map so happens to be disqualified through our own anaylsis then feel free to fix it then.
We will revamp the Ranking Criteria and establish a Quality Criteria that comes from the QAT. This is to ensure that every Beatmap Appreciator is aware of what the QAT is looking at and what they pay attention to. It needs to be predictable what you should pay more attention to and what is more up to your own decision. Surely, you are supposed to keep your personal standards high! Therefore, we can only give out guidelines in different grey shades for you to put into your consideration before nominating any beatmap.
Anyways dq because it is unpassable by HR is irrational. But giving a dq upon request to tweak down the hp drain never seems a bad decision. Rather remaining this set to the ranked section without giving the mapper a chance to make the map passable with hr is violating your purpose.
QATs assure quality of a beatmap. If hr is one of the quality a mapper pursue, the team shouldn't hesitate a dq.
I always been curious why mods are not taking in consideration when ranking a map? mods are part of the game too and we should check them to bring a full gameplay experience to players, I don't know just my opinion.Loctav wrote:
There is a difference between doing an error and tweaking diff settings upon request, because you can not HR the beatmap. Your mindset fails on all ends.
If you are able to find a proper reason why the diff settings should be fixed (HR is no reason), we are all up to appeal with the mappers request.
Everything else is invalid.
Not DQing upon request is a thing that exists for over 3-4 years in this community already. We are free to accept this requests within the 12h after qualification - considering the misheap of a mapper.
Everything past that 12h gets considered, but we do not accept this request blindly.
Be sure that the concerns were heard, we took them into consideration, but you shall not expect the QAT after said 12h to just blindly accept that Disqualification just because you say so. If we deem this concern as valid, we will act. But we do not blindly accept the request because it was requested.
Everything past that 12h gets considered, but we do not accept this request blindly.
Be sure that the concerns were heard, we took them into consideration, but you shall not expect the QAT after said 12h to just blindly accept that Disqualification just because you say so. If we deem this concern as valid, we will act. But we do not blindly accept the request because it was requested.
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Bad luck to this map.
Bad luck to this map.
As far as I know, we still have a few days to act, don't we?
vetochka
What is more important - playability of map for everyone (i.e. community) with simple minor fix which mapper is already willing to implement or some strict rules, created by small group (5-10 authorities) of people which, as posted before, were broken? As for me, it's just absurd in *community driven* game.Loctav wrote:
There is a difference between doing an error and tweaking diff settings upon request, because you can not HR the beatmap. Your mindset fails on all ends.
If you are able to find a proper reason why the diff settings should be fixed (HR is no reason), we are all up to appeal with the mappers request.
Everything else is invalid.
I would have had another opinion if the whole map was unplayable with HR - but it's just one spinner in the end.
^THISslam3085 wrote:
What is more important - playability of map for everyone (i.e. community) with simple minor fix which mapper is already willing to implement or some strict rules, created by small group (5-10 authorities) of people which, as posted before, were broken? As for me, it's just absurd in *community driven* game.Loctav wrote:
There is a difference between doing an error and tweaking diff settings upon request, because you can not HR the beatmap. Your mindset fails on all ends.
If you are able to find a proper reason why the diff settings should be fixed (HR is no reason), we are all up to appeal with the mappers request.
Everything else is invalid.
I would have had another opinion if the whole map was unplayable with HR - but it's just one spinner in the end.
Well anyways we've got to know a new useful information; the 12 hour rule. xDLoctav wrote:
Not DQing upon request is a thing that exists for over 3-4 years in this community already. We are free to accept this requests within the 12h after qualification - considering the misheap of a mapper.
Everything past that 12h gets considered, but we do not accept this request blindly.
Be sure that the concerns were heard, we took them into consideration, but you shall not expect the QAT after said 12h to just blindly accept that Disqualification just because you say so. If we deem this concern as valid, we will act. But we do not blindly accept the request because it was requested.
Sieg wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/4001026Lust wrote:
We do not disqualify maps upon request.
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3991683
ninja'd, TIL 12 hour rule
ok now he's just messing with usLoctav wrote:
As far as I know, we still have a few days to act, don't we?
well, at the end of the day there is something positive about this joke: we've got our new meme, the 12 hours rule
@mapper: this is a really great map, and i love playing it with hr and i wish you all the luck getting this DQ'd and make it passable for people like me who enjoy playing maps more with hr!
@mapper: this is a really great map, and i love playing it with hr and i wish you all the luck getting this DQ'd and make it passable for people like me who enjoy playing maps more with hr!
Rofl
Good luck with the DQ
Good luck with the DQ
How far things have come when people are now hoping for a map to be disqualified
Topic Starter
1Loctav wrote:
As far as I know, we still have a few days to act, don't we?
Thanks for explaining, btw. No more questions from mea bout dq.
In the end, if map get ranked in current version it will be a good lesson to mappers and modders 8)
I actually fc'd this with HR but failed on the end spinner, I don't mind though, that's the nature of playing qualified maps. I'd even accept it if the mapper wanted to keep their map this way and they felt lowering HP was undesirable. But to actually deny a DQ request to fix the issue from the mapper him/herself is absolutely absurd. I can't believe it. Is it not the mapper's choice how their map should look, play and work? If it is not possible with an integral mod then the map does not work, it is broken. Please reconsider.
Also, wasn't Rainbow Dash Likes Girls unranked due to a slider being off-screen with HR? That's from memory, so I might be wrong...
Also, wasn't Rainbow Dash Likes Girls unranked due to a slider being off-screen with HR? That's from memory, so I might be wrong...
At this point, I don't think what anyone says is going to matter as it's clear the point has been made that this isn't about upholding quality, but about reinforcing arbitrary unwritten rules.
Two words: ayy lmao
fix
Two words: ayy lmao
fix
ayy lmao
ayy lmao
Topic Starter
Зиг раскрыл мой план! На самом деле я барыжу изолентами, а эту карту создал только, что бы увеличить уровень продаж.
Isn't that how it's been for a few years (¬_¬)Lach wrote:
At this point, I don't think what anyone says is going to matter as it's clear the point has been made that this isn't about upholding quality, but about reinforcing arbitrary unwritten rules.
Two words: ayy lmao
I mean ayy lmao ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ
You guys could atleast delay the drama to the point when the map actually got ranked.. :bLoctav wrote:
As far as I know, we still have a few days to act, don't we?
Reason for Disqualification
- After a longer internal discussion we have decided to disqualify the set because of the Spinners that are not passable with Hard Rock. They also have a fairly high impact on the HP drain in general so fixing them would just improve the general playability of the mapset as well as make the mapset enjoyable for everyone.
You can fix this issue either by shortening the spinners' length, reducing the HP drain or by making something similiar like you did in the Normal.
Additional Modding
[General]
- Why is widescreen support enabled in the Light Insane?
- Another thing our discussing brought up I want to mention here is that the Hard-Normal-Gap is quite big, if you want to fix that making the Normal slightly more dense or vice-versa would work fine but well, it's not really tragic and therefore you don't have to do it.
- 03:38:396 (1) - Please tone down that SV difference to the Slider beforem that's way too much for a Normal.
- 03:36:698 (9) - Might but just me but this felt quite unnatural to me while playing as this fairly dominant sound you have followed with the repeat slider in the other difficulties starts at 03:36:840 - . Therefore making something similiar as in Hard or something like this could work.
- Nice difficulties and nice song you have got there! Not much to change here, so I wish you good luck in getting this back into qualified o/
I have no idea what I am talking about.
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Mao
Mao wrote:
Reason for Disqualification
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- After a longer internal discussion we have decided to disqualify the set because of the Spinners that are not passable with Hard Rock. They also have a fairly high impact on the HP drain in general so fixing them would just improve the general playability of the mapset as well as make the mapset enjoyable for everyone.
You can fix this issue either by shortening the spinners' length, reducing the HP drain or by making something similiar like you did in the Normal. two slider as i did on E-N in overall it fits for mapset better.Additional Modding
[General][
- Another thing our discussing brought up I want to mention here is that the Hard-Normal-Gap is quite big, if you want to fix that making the Normal slightly more dense or vice-versa would work fine but well, it's not really tragic and therefore you don't have to do it. Yesh a bit till i when i did that diff i tohugh it would easiest diff in set. Whatever after i tired to make some "dense" whre i can and decide to gave up that idea. I am not sure that can add some well-structured 1/2. Still i will think about it and ask some people.
Normal]
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- 03:38:396 (1) - Please tone down that SV difference to the Slider beforem that's way too much for a Normal. 0.65
Light Insane]
Sure. Also made 03:37:264 (1) - longer to fill I-X diffs
- 03:36:698 (9) - Might but just me but this felt quite unnatural to me while playing as this fairly dominant sound you have followed with the repeat slider in the other difficulties starts at 03:36:840 - . Therefore making something similiar as in Hard or something like this could work.
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- Nice difficulties and nice song you have got there! Not much to change here, so I wish you good luck in getting this back into qualified o/
Thanks! Want bring my excuses to QA Team for that dq. I wont repeat same mistake anymore and try to help others to escape from such situations.
Also:
Fixed 03:35:212 (2,3) - on extra(ppointed by fartownik
Fixed minor hs issue on h-li-i-x diffs around 02:56:555 - and somewhere on easy/normal.
Will ask some testplays - decide if i need to reduce hp for a little. And after slowly will go for rank one mroe time.
so glad this is fixed! congrats on dq
gl on rerank!
gl on rerank!
Alumetorz wrote:
congrats on dq