So I could have the joy of searching for my replies in 1 year an see how right/wrong I was at the time. It's gonna be a blast reading then.Ichi wrote:
Like how in the hell are you able to make such deductions about this game, are you trying to reassure yourself? are you multiacc?
2 months into joining the game and you are already making psycological assumptions and talking about the hardest maps like if you´ve been playing those for a long time... not trying to offend you here im just surprised you do because i didn´t even know what Ar meant 2 months after joining in, i was busy trying to learn the game.
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You could also note these things on notepad instead of trying to theorycraft on something you know little about on a forum
Unless you like people lecturing you?
Unless you like people lecturing you?
And not to mention, you're going to be at the skill level to satisfactorily pass Airman in 1 year to be able to then deem if you were right or not? lol
I mean, I guess 1 year is theoretically possible if you've got over 10k plays a month or you gain skill wicked fast, but both scenarios are pretty unlikely.
I mean, I guess 1 year is theoretically possible if you've got over 10k plays a month or you gain skill wicked fast, but both scenarios are pretty unlikely.
Airman isn't that hard...
It's fun to theorycraft and even more fun to see other people react to that. I do gain knowledge by posting my opinion and then seeing counterarguments and other opinions/criticism.GoldenWolf wrote:
You could also note these things on notepad instead of trying to theorycraft on something you know little about on a forum
Unless you like people lecturing you?
One year is plenty enough to pass something that isn't limited by ones physical limits like stream speed or tapping speed. Getting better aim or accuracy is easier than getting better physically or at least that's how it is for me.Maxis wrote:
And not to mention, you're going to be at the skill level to satisfactorily pass Airman in 1 year to be able to then deem if you were right or not? lol
I mean, I guess 1 year is theoretically possible if you've got over 10k plays a month or you gain skill wicked fast, but both scenarios are pretty unlikely.
I guess, even though knowledge is almost useless in osu!
Knowledge is pretty relevant to practice habits and mapping.
Even so it's fun reading forums anyways. And comical when someone takes a reply too seriously and starts bashing you all over the place.GoldenWolf wrote:
I guess, even though knowledge is almost useless in osu!
I absolutely don't feel targeted thereFlyingKebab wrote:
And comical when someone takes a reply too seriously and starts bashing you all over the place.
LOL WHAT A NEET
lol'dNarrill wrote:
LOL WHAT A NEET
Why are you even reading this?
Aside from the fact that maps like airman and freedom dive are legitimately very difficult when it comes to FCing, there is indeed a big psychological aspect to it, not even in terms of patterns or whatever but just because the maps are so iconic and the number of people who have FCs on them is almost zero.
i.e When Cptnxn set his freedom dive FC, he paused on the last break to read the chat and said something along the lines of "I mean, it's Freedom Dive, I'm just getting nervous as fuck."
He could probably make a custom diff with the spaced streams at the end and ace them repeatedly, it was clearly within his ability to do so, but with the potential to make osu HISTORY, to set a score that perhaps no one will ever beat, that everyone will care about and know and herald you for, the stress is so much higher than a normal FC, or even a normal rank 1 on a typical map.
It's becoming less relevant with airman though i predict at least 2-3 more FC's before the years end, but big black is another good example of a map with huge psychological impact, there would probably be 10+ FCs by now if it didn't have such a powerful stigma.
Then again, I also think that playing a map THOUSANDS of times affords no advantages whatsoever when it comes to FCing it or not.
in fact, it probably just makes the stress of FCing it higher [omg after 3482 tries im gonna do it!] and possibly cements any sort of bad muscle memory however slight and hard to detect and fix it might be.
i.e When Cptnxn set his freedom dive FC, he paused on the last break to read the chat and said something along the lines of "I mean, it's Freedom Dive, I'm just getting nervous as fuck."
He could probably make a custom diff with the spaced streams at the end and ace them repeatedly, it was clearly within his ability to do so, but with the potential to make osu HISTORY, to set a score that perhaps no one will ever beat, that everyone will care about and know and herald you for, the stress is so much higher than a normal FC, or even a normal rank 1 on a typical map.
It's becoming less relevant with airman though i predict at least 2-3 more FC's before the years end, but big black is another good example of a map with huge psychological impact, there would probably be 10+ FCs by now if it didn't have such a powerful stigma.
Then again, I also think that playing a map THOUSANDS of times affords no advantages whatsoever when it comes to FCing it or not.
in fact, it probably just makes the stress of FCing it higher [omg after 3482 tries im gonna do it!] and possibly cements any sort of bad muscle memory however slight and hard to detect and fix it might be.
You say that even though your acc isn't that good and the maps you play are easy as fuck (I can play while mashing and still get close to SS on easy maps+od7). I mean, I'm sure I could get better acc than you if someone made me 2 pedals (like drum pedals) and I used that to play instead of a keyboard.FlyingKebab wrote:
One year is plenty enough to pass something that isn't limited by ones physical limits like stream speed or tapping speed. Getting better aim or accuracy is easier than getting better physically or at least that's how it is for me.
What I mean by that is that you shouldn't talk about stuff that you don't have a clue. Pass airman changing the map to at least hp7-8 and you MIGHT be able to tell me if it is difficult or not. Even so, difficulty is usually in terms of fcing, not passing.
OT: The majority of the ar10 unranked maps are REALLY badly mapped when you compare the circles to the song aka overmapped. Also, AR10 doesn't fit in any song like people that just play ar10 think.
tfg50 wrote:
You say that even though your acc isn't that good and the maps you play are easy as fuck (I can play while mashing and still get close to SS on easy maps+od7). I mean, I'm sure I could get better acc than you if someone made me 2 pedals (like drum pedals) and I used that to play instead of a keyboard.
What I mean by that is that you shouldn't talk about stuff that you don't have a clue. Pass airman changing the map to at least hp7-8 and you MIGHT be able to tell me if it is difficult or not. Even so, difficulty is usually in terms of fcing, not passing.
See what I mean.FlyingKebab wrote:
And comical when someone takes a reply too seriously and starts bashing you all over the place.
Man, if that is taking it too seriously and bashing you......
its because people are cringing at your claims, because of how far you are ability wise to back them up. It's the same sort of reaction Woobowiz got when he first made his thread. People were annoyed with his idea that he could reach cookiezi's level before even comprehending what it takes to get there "ill do it in a year!" and talking way bigger than he was.
I think everyone expected him to realize how absurd his goals were, or perhaps just lose interest in osu/be ashamed of his posts or something and the thread would die within a week of being made, but he's really proven himself serious about his goal so far which was really surprising and he has started to amass a following of sorts because of it.
Hell, I can't even claim 5 star maps are easy withoutidiots people calling me out, you calling maps like airman easy prompts an even greater reaction.
I think everyone expected him to realize how absurd his goals were, or perhaps just lose interest in osu/be ashamed of his posts or something and the thread would die within a week of being made, but he's really proven himself serious about his goal so far which was really surprising and he has started to amass a following of sorts because of it.
Hell, I can't even claim 5 star maps are easy without
Alright, I promise I will never mention a map I can't pass decently ever, deal.
No one is hating on you, don´t wory you are not that important. Although i can say it´s kind of annoying to see you lecturing everyone on the game when you don´t even know it well yourself, you just have a bunch of knowledge about the game from what you´ve read and try to predict how things will work out. Heck you may even get bored of the game before passing one of those maps.
My suggestion is to forget about the logic you think this game has, and start working on your game because frankly, it has none. Its just circle clicking for god freaking sakes, the MORE you do it the BETTER you are.
My suggestion is to forget about the logic you think this game has, and start working on your game because frankly, it has none. Its just circle clicking for god freaking sakes, the MORE you do it the BETTER you are.
Can you even FC a 5* map though?Riince wrote:
Hell, I can't even claim 5 star maps are easy withoutidiotspeople calling me out, you calling maps like airman easy prompts an even greater reaction.
You joke, but that's actually a pretty good guideline.FlyingKebab wrote:
Alright, I promise I will never mention a map I can't pass decently ever, deal.
sighIchi wrote:
forget about the logic you think this game has, and start working on your game because frankly, it has none. Its just circle clicking for god freaking sakes
Its just circle clicking for god freaking sakesjust?!!
tss.. osu! is love osu! is live.
To answer the question without reading any of the thread because I'm too lazy, there are few ar10 maps because it is seen as unnecessary as only tryhards play and make ar10 maps. Mods like Hard Rock exist yeah.
Can't play hr? Can't play ar10.
Can't play hr? Can't play ar10.
Wrong O.oLach wrote:
Can't play hr? Can't play ar10.
yesNarrill wrote:
Can you even FC a 5* map though?
Cs/od/hp?Lach wrote:
To answer the question without reading any of the thread because I'm too lazy, there are few ar10 maps because it is seen as unnecessary as only tryhards play and make ar10 maps. Mods like Hard Rock exist yeah.
Can't play hr? Can't play ar10.
And I think the real reason ar10 maps are rare is cos rarely does a map need ar10, only big black is fast enough to really need it, and other examples I can think of like rog unlimitation. There are obviously more but Ican't think of any off the top of my head.
5* is pretty hard tho. just because the majority of the people here is "good" enough to play them does not change that. in the end you still wont see many people out of top10k who can fc them.
people really get the wrong idea of the general skill of the people playing osu when 90% of the big mouths are top10k.
i lolled at how this turned into yet another discussion about something completely unrelated to the OP
people really get the wrong idea of the general skill of the people playing osu when 90% of the big mouths are top10k.
i lolled at how this turned into yet another discussion about something completely unrelated to the OP
Basically anything over 5* feels right at AR10 for me, especially at CS4.cheezstik wrote:
And I think the real reason ar10 maps are rare is cos rarely does a map need ar10, only big black is fast enough to really need it, and other examples I can think of like rog unlimitation. There are obviously more but Ican't think of any off the top of my head.
WHAT? WHAT WAS THAT? THIS IS RIGHT FOR AR10? DO YOU- DO YOU THINK THIS SHOULD HONESTLY BE AR10 (AND STILL RANKED)?Narrill wrote:
Basically anything over 5* feels right at AR10 for me, especially at CS4.
Uhm... yes? Is there something special about that map that makes AR10 a bad idea?
uhNarrill wrote:
Uhm... yes? Is there something special about that map that makes AR10 a bad idea?
every fucking ar10 ranked map is fast as shit, for one, and compared to ranked ar10, that map is slow as shit
think of the speed it needs to really fit ar10 (and feel natural)
there's much more I could list though
+1, I can't test the map now since I'm not at my osu computer, but imo, unlike cs and od, ar isn't there for the sake of difficulty, except in special cases of low ar reading practice maps. An ar that suits the song should be applied to it, not one that just increases the difficulty. If ar is wanted just to make a map harder, I think that's what hr should be for.Faces3 wrote:
uhNarrill wrote:
Uhm... yes? Is there something special about that map that makes AR10 a bad idea?
every fucking ar10 ranked map is fast as shit, for one, and compared to ranked ar10, that map is slow as shit
think of the speed it needs to really fit ar10 (and feel natural)
there's much more I could list though
The word you're looking for is density, and I've already stated that I believe any map above 5* has the necessary density to feel natural at AR10, especially at CS4.Faces3 wrote:
think of the speed it needs to really fit ar10 (and feel natural)
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but the reality is that AR has an obvious, albeit fairly complicated, effect on difficulty.cheezstik wrote:
ar isn't there for the sake of difficulty, except in special cases of low ar reading practice maps.
Most people can read AR 9 much more easily than AR 10, but there comes a point where high AR's are required (high bpm maps) in order to keep the map simple and not too hard to read.
REANIMATE (Mythol's diff) is AR 9.5 and doesn't feel high at all. I haven't played that map, but I don't see why it's impossible for a 180-bpm map to be AR 10-worthy (BIG BLACK???)
This doesn't mean I like AR 10 though, I still suck shit at it and completely hate it but it's something I'll have to overcome eventually. Slowly working up from 9.7 ...
REANIMATE (Mythol's diff) is AR 9.5 and doesn't feel high at all. I haven't played that map, but I don't see why it's impossible for a 180-bpm map to be AR 10-worthy (BIG BLACK???)
This doesn't mean I like AR 10 though, I still suck shit at it and completely hate it but it's something I'll have to overcome eventually. Slowly working up from 9.7 ...
I think the real question here is why has it been so long since we see an ultra-hard map (that warrants the use of AR10) get ranked
IIRC the latest maps that fit that category are Image Material and Leaf - I.
It's like nobody has the guts to map a really hard map and have it go through the ranking process. Nowadays the only occasional challenge we get are divisive reading clusterfucks that only get through the ranking process because they look artistic
IIRC the latest maps that fit that category are Image Material and Leaf - I.
It's like nobody has the guts to map a really hard map and have it go through the ranking process. Nowadays the only occasional challenge we get are divisive reading clusterfucks that only get through the ranking process because they look artistic
Most of the AR10 maps I've played have been excellent quality. My guess is they don't get ranked because they don't have a complete mapset, not because the maps themselves are subpar.
there is also cheshire,s dance on which the ar fits decently, altho now that we have decimal ar i think a couple of decimals lower would have been better.Purple wrote:
I think the real question here is why has it been so long since we see an ultra-hard map (that warrants the use of AR10) get ranked
IIRC the latest maps that fit that category are Image Material and Leaf - I.
It's like nobody has the guts to map a really hard map and have it go through the ranking process. Nowadays the only occasional challenge we get are divisive reading clusterfucks that only get through the ranking process because they look artistic
It's mainly due to an incomplete mapset. This is not AR 10, but its a prime example of a map that could be ranked but isn't because there is no full mapset. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/185123
Whats the moral of the story? Finish your mapsets ladies and gentlemen. If you're to lazy to make a second map for a really hard map ask someone to make a taiko or mainia or ctb diff for you or something. We need more totally friggin awesome maps
Whats the moral of the story? Finish your mapsets ladies and gentlemen. If you're to lazy to make a second map for a really hard map ask someone to make a taiko or mainia or ctb diff for you or something. We need more totally friggin awesome maps
Cheshire dance AR doesn't fit at all...silmarilen wrote:
there is also cheshire,s dance on which the ar fits decently, altho now that we have decimal ar i think a couple of decimals lower would have been better.Purple wrote:
I think the real question here is why has it been so long since we see an ultra-hard map (that warrants the use of AR10) get ranked
IIRC the latest maps that fit that category are Image Material and Leaf - I.
It's like nobody has the guts to map a really hard map and have it go through the ranking process. Nowadays the only occasional challenge we get are divisive reading clusterfucks that only get through the ranking process because they look artistic
On the other side
I guess CTB AR10 isn't compareable with Standard AR10.
I guess CTB AR10 isn't compareable with Standard AR10.