2015-02-13 11:14 gracefu: your twin drills map is much harder than its star rating XDD
2015-02-13 11:14 nookls: YAY
2015-02-13 11:14 gracefu: sorry it took me this to start btw, but i can't actually start modding until like tomorrow
2015-02-13 11:15 gracefu: D:
2015-02-13 11:15 nookls: lol it's ok
2015-02-13 11:17 nookls: i actually have an update for hard, but the other diffs are ok to mod
2015-02-13 11:17 gracefu: it's not done yet on the copy i just downloaded
2015-02-13 11:17 gracefu: so yeah
2015-02-13 11:17 gracefu: not going to mod that
2015-02-13 11:17 nookls: ok
2015-02-13 11:19 gracefu: so hard
2015-02-14 15:37 gracefu: hi
2015-02-14 15:38 gracefu: 00:21:986 - you probably know this, but this might get quite a lot of complaints, especially since there are no slider ticks in pretty much the whole song.
2015-02-14 15:39 gracefu: your rhythm makes a lot more sense than most maps, so that's good
2015-02-14 15:40 gracefu: also, do you want blanketing or no blanketing? there are a lot of sliders that are almost blankets, but they aren't made very well
2015-02-14 15:40 gracefu: 00:37:786 -
2015-02-14 15:40 gracefu: 00:40:786 - these two for example
2015-02-14 15:41 gracefu: it's probably cause you're snapping to the grid. you need to turn grid snapping once in a while if you want nice things
2015-02-14 15:41 gracefu: i actually have grid snapping turned off almost all the time now >.>
2015-02-14 15:42 yeah, sorry, but there are a *lot* of almost blankets
2015-02-14 15:42 gracefu: anyway moving on to other problems
2015-02-14 15:42 gracefu: (almost none ;-;)
2015-02-14 15:44 gracefu: 00:55:186 - you probably made this with a slider right? did you maybe have more than 3 slider points? usually when there are 3 i see a perfect semicircular shape
2015-02-14 15:47 gracefu: 01:16:986 - is this important to you? because you could use a long slider here as well
2015-02-14 15:58 gracefu: 00:41:186 - what is this stream doing here?
2015-02-14 15:59 gracefu: 00:59:686 - you should centre the second slider and then use ctrl-H to flip the third slider
2015-02-14 15:59 gracefu: at the moment it's not spaced out well
2015-02-14 16:00 gracefu: oh look you're here now
2015-02-14 16:00 nookls: ffffffdffdddffd
2015-02-14 16:00 nookls: i dunno
2015-02-14 16:01 nookls: to be honest at this point i'm probably just gonna practice a bit more and then remap in a while
2015-02-14 16:01 gracefu: ^- that's pretty much maybe 80% of my mod?
2015-02-14 16:01 gracefu: hm really? this map is really good
2015-02-14 16:01 gracefu: it's just the technical aspects
2015-02-14 16:01 nookls: wait, you think so?
2015-02-14 16:01 gracefu: yeah
2015-02-14 16:01 gracefu: the flow is nice
2015-02-14 16:01 nookls: damn, it got called bad by 2 others though
2015-02-14 16:01 gracefu: hah
2015-02-14 16:01 gracefu: who?
2015-02-14 16:02 nookls: uuh grumd and someone else
2015-02-14 16:02 gracefu: lol
2015-02-14 16:02 nookls: i'm conflicted now
2015-02-14 16:02 nookls: this map really seems to be either a love or hate thing lol
2015-02-14 16:03 gracefu: lol
2015-02-14 16:03 gracefu: all maps are
2015-02-14 16:03 nookls: maybe if i do some fixing up to it it'll change others' opinions
2015-02-14 16:05 gracefu: yeah
2015-02-14 16:05 gracefu: cartographer told you to remap because apparently the DS is very random
2015-02-14 16:05 gracefu: but imo you're allowed to do that if your rhythm is good
2015-02-14 16:05 nookls: at the moment it pretty much is just a "rough draft" of what it could actually be
2015-02-14 16:05 gracefu: and since you repeat the rhythm a lot, it's fine
2015-02-14 16:06 gracefu: and yeah, that's true, it's very draft-y
2015-02-14 16:06 gracefu: 00:08:186 - when i look for spacing errors specifically, it's these kinds of things
2015-02-14 16:07 gracefu: 00:16:586 - here as well
2015-02-14 16:07 gracefu: too close together
2015-02-14 16:07 gracefu: it's usually better to have things too far than too close
2015-02-14 16:08 nookls: hmmm yeah
2015-02-14 16:09 gracefu: 00:36:986 - this part is more of a grey area, but since you're playing with triplets here, you might as well go all the way and create a complex rhythm for the rest of this section
2015-02-14 16:09 gracefu: for the rest of this section
2015-02-14 16:09 gracefu: 00:42:586 - like the previous 3 combos had different rhythms, but in this one you go back to the original combo
2015-02-14 16:09 gracefu: original rhythm*
2015-02-14 16:11 gracefu: 00:47:186 - here the distance between 3 and 4 is shorter than usual, but i think it'll be better if it was longer than usual because 4 is a nice big note
2015-02-14 16:11 gracefu: maybe move the 2 to where 5 is at the moment?
2015-02-14 16:12 gracefu: actually maybe not
2015-02-14 16:12 gracefu: maybe x:256 y:304
2015-02-14 16:13 gracefu: anyway you might want to do a second mapping anyway, just to get experience and improve faster
2015-02-14 16:13 nookls: ooh that makes it look nice in the editor
2015-02-14 16:13 gracefu: maybe back this copy up and then when you're done with a second attempt you can try and see what you did better
2015-02-14 16:13 nookls: yeah i'll consider remapping
2015-02-14 16:14 gracefu: actually it looks even nicer if you turn off grid snapping and adjust the circles manually
2015-02-14 16:15 gracefu: and probably look even better if you made it on the y axis and then rotated it
2015-02-14 16:15 gracefu: but who has time for that >.>
2015-02-14 16:15 gracefu: practice making blankets
2015-02-14 16:15 nookls: yay
2015-02-14 16:15 nookls: actually i did get a complaint about the blankets from another guy a while ago
2015-02-14 16:15 gracefu: yeah
2015-02-14 16:16 gracefu: oh i just realised
2015-02-14 16:16 00:55:186 you *didn't* use sliders to make this
2015-02-14 16:16 00:55:186 - you *didn't* use sliders to make this
2015-02-14 16:16 gracefu: you should. make a slider there, and then ctrl-shift-f while selecting the slider
2015-02-14 16:20 nookls: crap
2015-02-14 16:20 nookls: my internet went off
2015-02-14 16:20 nookls: did you say anything after "practice making blankets"
2015-02-14 16:21 gracefu: not really
2015-02-14 16:21 gracefu: anyway at 00:55:186 - apparently you placed these by hand
2015-02-14 16:21 gracefu: well first of all, when placing streams, just turn off grid snapping
2015-02-14 16:21 gracefu: it's useless
2015-02-14 16:21 gracefu: secondly, did you know that you can make streams from sliders?
2015-02-14 16:21 gracefu: like, automatically
2015-02-14 16:22 gracefu: put a slider there and select it then press ctrl-shift-f
2015-02-14 16:22 nookls: i did but since that was only like 7 notes i didn't really want to bother getting the slider to a good shape for it
2015-02-14 16:22 gracefu: lol always bother XD
2015-02-14 16:22 gracefu: looks better too
2015-02-14 16:22 gracefu: unless you're making something really hard to make like spirals
2015-02-14 16:23 gracefu: those are pretty much impossible to make with sliders (i tried)
2015-02-14 16:23 nookls: what i didn't know was the keyboard shortcut though
2015-02-14 16:23 nookls: that'll be useful
2015-02-14 16:23 gracefu: i see
2015-02-14 16:23 gracefu: memorise all the keyboard shortcuts
2015-02-14 16:23 gracefu: just because
2015-02-14 16:23 gracefu:
2015-02-14 16:24 nookls: the only ones i actually know right now are qwerty and as of just now, the slider-to-stream one
2015-02-14 16:25 gracefu: ah
2015-02-14 16:25 gracefu: ctrl-g, you'll be using this a lot
2015-02-14 16:25 gracefu: it reverses things in the timeline, but the thing it's most used for is sliders
2015-02-14 16:26 gracefu: click a slider and ctrl-g'ing it flips the head and tail
2015-02-14 16:26 nookls: oh my god i just did ctrl-a and ctrl-g
2015-02-14 16:26 nookls: now my map is backwards
2015-02-14 16:26 gracefu: HAHAHAA
2015-02-14 16:26 gracefu: XDDD
2015-02-14 16:26 gracefu: i gotta try that huehuehue
2015-02-14 16:26 gracefu: another thing you could do is ctrl-H
2015-02-14 16:26 gracefu: horizontal flip
2015-02-14 16:27 gracefu: ctrl-J is right next to it and it does a vertical flip
2015-02-14 16:27 nookls: it's beautiful
2015-02-14 16:27 gracefu: wait why am i listing it out, all the shortcut keys are useful
2015-02-14 16:27 gracefu: rotate, scale, flip, 90 degree rotates
2015-02-14 16:27 gracefu: turning off distance snap
2015-02-14 16:27 gracefu: etc
2015-02-14 16:28 gracefu: shift and alternate are your best friends when placing circles
2015-02-14 16:28 nookls: i've gotta try them out later
2015-02-14 16:29 gracefu: yeah
2015-02-14 16:30 nookls: i'll look at your mod and things you suggested though
2015-02-14 16:30 nookls: and i'll also do a remap as another difficulty and see how that goes
2015-02-14 16:30 gracefu: try using all the keyboard shortcuts during the remap
2015-02-14 16:30 gracefu: rotate especially hue
2015-02-14 16:30 gracefu: my favourite >.>
2015-02-14 16:31 nookls: use ALL the shortcuts!!!
2015-02-14 16:34 gracefu: ohh man i just remapped the first part of my latest difficulty
2015-02-14 16:34 gracefu: it's 10 times better ;-;
2015-02-14 16:34 gracefu: i'm glad i remapped
2015-02-14 16:35 nookls: who knows maybe i'll be glad i remapped too
2015-02-14 16:35 gracefu: probably
2015-02-14 16:35 gracefu: at this rate i'm going to remap everything
2015-02-14 16:35 gracefu: #newmapper hype
2015-02-14 16:36 nookls: i like your map
2015-02-14 16:37 nookls: it's got a nice style to it
2015-02-14 16:37 nookls: shame i couldn't really find anything to mod about it though lol
2015-02-14 16:37 gracefu: new mapper problems :/
2015-02-14 16:37 gracefu: i couldn't find anything to mod when i started
2015-02-14 16:38 nookls: i think i should try and gain more experience myself first before telling people what to do >.>
2015-02-14 16:38 gracefu: not really, you should mod more
2015-02-14 16:39 gracefu: if you look at the same map for 2 months you'll get no experience
2015-02-14 16:39 nookls: true actually
2015-02-14 16:39 nookls: also another new mapper problem: no-one eeevveerr looks at your stuff >.<
2015-02-14 16:39 gracefu: yeah
2015-02-14 16:39 gracefu: that's why new guys should help each other out
2015-02-14 16:40 nookls: i generally look at most maps i see in #modreqs but i can't really mod them
2015-02-14 16:40 gracefu: really
2015-02-14 16:40 gracefu: that's cool
2015-02-14 16:41 nookls: i think i've only modded 3 maps including yours
2015-02-14 16:41 nookls: and they were all really mini mods
2015-02-14 16:41 gracefu: it's fine
2015-02-14 16:42 gracefu: looking at them is good enough i think
2015-02-14 16:47 nookls: oh yeah if you want you can post on my thread and i'll give kudos
2015-02-14 16:48 gracefu: ah really? i thought i'd do a mini mod back XD
2015-02-14 16:48 nookls: meh minimods still earn it in my book
2015-02-14 16:49 nookls: you don't have to if you don't want but i'll give kudos if you post lol
2015-02-14 16:49 gracefu: it's alright
2015-02-14 16:49 gracefu: i'll post so you can see it
2015-02-14 16:49 gracefu:
2015-02-14 16:49 nookls: ok