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The thread no longer seems to be on the topic of the OP, but to respond anyway:

1) Don't play Atama Nogard, Gay Pony, and Airman at your current level
2) The main thing that makes the squares in Atama Nogard so hard is the fact that it's 240bpm and the squares (the first set, at least) have really large spacing. BUT the secondary thing that makes it so difficult is that they're AR9, which is considered low for 240bpm. Low AR makes things like squares (rotating squares even moreso!) harder to play because it makes it harder to snap. If you learn to read lower AR, it will make you more likely to be able to play patterns like that if/when you gain the necessary physical ability to snap to squares at 240bpm. The physical aspect of it is certainly the more difficult aspect to get used to, but don't underestimate the power of low AR.

I just like telling people to play low AR...
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Would it be viable to slow down some of the maps i play to AR7 that have big spacing (Which isn't really a big problem) but not a lot of stuff on the screen? I don't think the screen would become very crowded, and it would still be low AR.

EDIT: Too much stuff on the screen nvm, i guess i will have to consider my inability to react to a lot of stuff on the screen as a weakness instead of a side necessity and fix the problem.
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Dm1321 wrote:

If you get to the point where you can read AR9 but can't read AR8, then you'll try tackling HR on AR8 and I am confident you'll have troubles reading any AR over 10 as well. Even one number can be quite the change.

I just don't want to see you stuck in a certain AR like some of the threads around here seem to be.
Playing on AR11 is like playing with FL on.
Btw, I can't play big black on AR8, 9, 10, and 11.

It's difficulty that matters.
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Big Black is a pretty bad map to give an example for.
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Big black already has a lot of stuff with AR10 anything slower than that would make it impossible. (Although it is already almost impossible to read the sliders in that map, even players like thelewa have problems with that map (albeit not with accuracy ). I thought about it for a day and I can say that logically if you follow the song rhythm then ar is irrelevant completely, because rhythm is not a visual but an audible thing. I also understand and will reinforce my earlier statement as zare said if you can't fc or come close to fcing a map or in other words if you can not read a map well then accuracy is irrelevant at that point. I think accuracy comes as naturally as reading skills do.
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FlyingKebab wrote:

Big black already has a lot of stuff with AR10 anything slower than that would make it impossible. (Although it is already almost impossible to read the sliders in that map, even players like thelewa have problems with that map (albeit not with accuracy ). I thought about it for a day and I can say that logically if you follow the song rhythm then ar is irrelevant completely, because rhythm is not a visual but an audible thing. I also understand and will reinforce my earlier statement as zare said if you can't fc or come close to fcing a map or in other words if you can not read a map well then accuracy is irrelevant at that point. I think accuracy comes as naturally as reading skills do.
You didn't think hard enough

The issue with low AR is not to be accurate on, but to read more objects at once because the object density is higher, it's about your brain being able (or not) to process high object density, nothing to do with following the rhythm
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low ar hurts my brain
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Somehow I sensed goldenwolf would pop in again.

Does high density reading have any benefits with maps above 3 stars that practically never use ar 7 or smnth? Or is it just for "I have the ability to play everything mode" ?
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You will be more consistent if you know how to read high object density, less random misses due to bad reading in general
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Lesjuh's DragonForce maps
DJPop's Joint Struggle and the likes

Banned Forever

Rainbow Dash


Atama




Freedom Dive

If you want to be able to play the actual hard shit, you will need to learn low AR
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Lower ar? You mean high note density; right?
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I played AR11 for half an hour and it really killed my low AR reading.

also I think there is a difference between low AR and circle density.
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GoldenWolf wrote:

You will be more consistent if you know how to read high object density, less random misses due to bad reading in general
I completely 100% agree that high note density ***** me up on ALL low AR maps and some high AR maps that like to throw a lot of stuff on the screen. That is one thing that i will truly, really, over 9000 honestly say without lying to myself in any way.
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B1rd wrote:

also I think there is a difference between low AR and circle density.
That's the point I was trying to make. There's a misconception that low ar is difficult; it's just that the note density can be a lot higher at certain bpm with certain ar. Atama no taisou used to be a bitch for me, namely because of the high density. Same with Scarlet Rose. I find that they're difficult because there's such a cluster of notes and I wasn't used to actually having to follow it note by note; I instead was reading the general patterns and moving quickly through them.

Namely two things make higher note density easier to read: practice self control and being aware of where your cursor is actually at in relation to the notes you're trying to hit.
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what i do to get better at hitting jumps is make the map a higher CS and then playing it like that. i did that with gold dust.


this may seem irrelevant for learning a hard to comprehend pattern like the one you're talking about, but keep in mind smaller circles are easier to read, and any aim training will help.
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Aiming isn't really a problem unless its like jumps that go from one corner of the screen to the other in a star form or something @ AR9+ and over 160BPM.

Anyways i started playing 3 stars again to begin training good accuracy and i actually found weak spots excluding accuracy like Slider->Circle->Slider which i a bit weird to single tap. I also started to fix a problem i had with ending sliders into circle stacks (I suppose i did not end the slider completely and that is why i got 100 or 50 on the stacks after.

I decided on a final sensitivity and grip setup of 400DPI Palm Grip (I have never used palm grip in my life since i did not have a mouse big enough, but now since i have a Razer Taipan with a 400 by 280mm Roccat Sense cloth pad i can actually move my arm more and grip the mouse with my hand thus eliminating earlier fingertip grip fatigue and sometimes pain for my thumb). On that note i have noticed that my mouse slowly drifts downwards as i play longer maps. I know that the Avago sensor in the mouse has anywhere from 1 to 5% built in hardware acceleration which for aiming is quite negligible but that sliding down thing is annoying because my shoulder kinda twists a bit (but i suppose this is because i am not used to the grip yet and i don't lift once because i filmed my hand on a fast map).

I don't know how long it will take me to get up to 97%+ accuracy and i suppose it will be quite awhile but i decided (after reading various threads that if you train your accuracy to be good then later on you can actually determine if a map is too hard to FC or finish etc. and that accuracy will always come naturally).

I still occasionally play 5 star maps to not lose reading skill/speed but i can say that those maps helped my reading and reaction skills a lot and now i can calmly focus on accuracy on sub 3.5 star maps and not worry at all about dying.
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Self necro. On topic question: Jump pattern that goes from a certain point and just gets wider and wider and then shrinks back again. I can't read those for ****. And since it is not a geometrical figure the read it as single circles isn't really working here. Same with the the patterns that get so wide (but don't shrink back) that it really becomes a hassle to reach the last notes.
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I always play those such that I know where the emphasized beats are. Generally it is on combo 1,3,5,7,etc. but it may vary depending on the song. What I mean is that I will hit combo 1,3,5,7,etc. with more force so I know that's on one of the main beats, then I hit the rest of the notes like normal (and with less force). It's kind of like drumming, where sometimes you want to be hitting the hi-hat, ride, snare (and etc.) in a "loud, soft, loud, soft, loud, soft" pattern.

Though this requires some musical understanding, and I do not know how naturally this comes with anyone else.
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Repeating patterns in general can be done by focusing on an "anchor point" and then rely on muscle memory and periferal vision. Well, probably depends on how you play, but I generally just see that "okay triangles getting bigger, so draw bigger triangles". I get the sense of the distance by focusing on the first 2 notes in the triangle, and then rely on muscle memory to get the 3rd one. Sometimes... Man idk I don't really think when I play and it just works out most of the time.
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Well i guess it just comes with experience. I have analyzed some of my replays on jumpy maps such as Airman/Eighto/Remote Control and other maps that are a tad easier. The problem i saw was this: My aim isn't the problem because i move my cursor fast enough and practically to the center of the jumps but I either 1. Don't click the circles for some odd reason 2. Click the circles too early because sometimes they start to vibrate meaning i missed a key press somewhere and I was WAY WAY too fast as a result. So I would draw the conclusion that i need better control of my fingers and I need to have better synchronization between my key presses and my aim speed.

Side Note:
1. Skystar maps are hard as hell to read QQ
2. Why are almost all electronic genre music maps (D&B/Dubstep/Trap/Future Bass/Techno/Trance/Electro/House etc.) mapped with low AR's (usually 8) and have slow streams and or squashed spacing. It really negates the whole point of electronic music being energetic. That kind of music should be all fast AR 9/10 super duper spaced/fast and have in yo face deathstreams <3.
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