Yes I fully admitted that we can but un-troll doesn't equal to better at least for some people and I think being legit troll or just un-troll is personal preference there's no better or worse
Agka wrote:Did you know you can un-troll those patterns and still fit the song?
richardfeder wrote:And last but not least, the patterns that are used in spy's difficulty, although may have space of improvement, are not that bad to result in a unqualified. Patterns are troll but they fit the song aren't they?!
Do it I am looking forward to that wow hue \:D/
Fullerene- wrote:Ok so I'll make a map for a speedcore song and make all of the notes as left hand trills when it's 300 BPM 1/4 speed, because anything else that is easier would be a bland pattern, right?
This is clearly a misread when did I say that could you quote?
Fullerene- wrote:If you seriously think that a pattern can't be both technically accurate and comfortable to hit, then you're either naive, inexperienced, close-minded or all three.
You are going too extreme who ever try to do anything like that???????
Fullerene- wrote:Brb changing the 1/16 bursts in AiAe to all one column instead of 12341234 because bursts are meant to be hard and not as comfortable to hit as possible while maintaining a high NPS. K
Both mappers do a good job on that
Fullerene- wrote:Stop thinking like this. Patterns play a huge role in how hard/fun the map is, not just note density, and they should always reflect the music
Intuitive part yes. Others are just YOUR preference and interpretation don't force anyone to follow your idea
Fullerene- wrote:while being intuitive and smooth for players to hit as much as possible.
They are all experienced mappers and this is just your assumptions. You feel frustrated then make your own pattern that satisfied yourself I say this again don't force others to map like you.
Fullerene- wrote:This mentality of 'it's hard because it's hard' is ridiculous and just makes it seem like you really don't know what you're doing other than making something that has a high star rating. Rigid patterns like the bursts in Spy's 4K become frustrating to play, kills the replay value, and simply reduces it to something that you can get PP from and never touch ever again.
You too I am especially frustrated and shocked when I see your insulting. Please stop. Who is the one that being childish?
Fullerene- wrote:I really didn't want to post this but the way you people are treating this is incredibly frustrating.
I won't let this go easily. I know that we may never reach a consensus but at least we are discussing a issue and we recognize the gap between our understanding of mapping. Then what are you doing here? Learn to respect that's not the way how we solve the problem!
@hutunohito I never say the mapset as a whole is prefect. I am saying the particular pattern that we are discussing is legit and understandable. Everyone makes mistake you can find problem doesn't mean anything we can all dig out problems and be nazi. If my words sound offensive then please accept my apology. Also this is not about famous or not we all know that community and stuffs are doing their best to help everyone, and my "priority" is aiming at maps but not mappers. Good maps deserve priority to be approval =/= famous mappers deserve priority. And every maps have the equal rights to receive help. I want to clarify that if I make you confused I am sorry
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈victorica why you so pro?
victorica_db wrote:i seldom see you all do like what you said...
razlteh wrote:the point of making a map is not to make it as hard as possible, just make a goddamn good map that doesn't suck ok