Riince wrote:
B1rd wrote:
so instead of trying to hit to the beat of the song you should try and change the offset to compensate for you own sense of rhythm?
You're missing the point. There are an incredible amount of songs that are incorrectly timed, he is saying you can fix that by changing your local offset.B1rd wrote:
so instead of trying to hit to the beat of the song you should try and change the offset to compensate for you own sense of rhythm?
I thought it was a ranked prerequisite to have a map timed properly....Mathsma wrote:
You're missing the point. There are an incredible amount of songs that are incorrectly timed, he is saying you can fix that by changing your local offset.B1rd wrote:
so instead of trying to hit to the beat of the song you should try and change the offset to compensate for you own sense of rhythm?
I wouldn't do it because I am lazy and there are simply too many songs to even bother.
It is probably better handled now, but in the past there were many maps that were ranked with hardly passable timing.Woobowiz wrote:
I thought it was a ranked prerequisite to have a map timed properly....
wow these forums' quote limitations thoMartell wrote:
Riince wrote:
Mistimed maps are out there, I will admit, but I don't think there are as many as you say because of the current ranking criteria. I'm not saying never change the local offset, but what I am saying is always check whether a map is mistimed or you're mistiming the map before changing the local offset. Most of the time it will be the latter (unless you're retro and you exclusively play maps from 2008), which is why this is damaging for accuracy.Mathsma wrote:
You're missing the point. There are an incredible amount of songs that are incorrectly timed, he is saying you can fix that by changing your local offset.
How does changing the offset "compensate for ones sense of rhythm"?B1rd wrote:
so instead of trying to hit to the beat of the song you should try and change the offset to compensate for you own sense of rhythm?
it's rarely or never off enough to cause a noticeable hit error margin that can't be made up by simply playing better. this is just an unnecessary chore.buny wrote:
How does changing the offset "compensate for ones sense of rhythm"?B1rd wrote:
so instead of trying to hit to the beat of the song you should try and change the offset to compensate for you own sense of rhythm?
It doesn't change how the map plays to the beat, it simply shifts the timeline.
Also, pretty much only old maps are going to have the wrong offset and this is a pretty bad way on determining offset because it only gives you a general idea of if you're too early or too late - in your screenshot we can see that you hit notes too late too, and a lot can factor into this such as streams (nobody will ever perfectly maintain a long stream without having to compensate speed).
You should only be changing offset if you know for certain that it's off.
It is, but apparently inaccuraries of ~10ms are acceptable.Woobowiz wrote:
I thought it was a ranked prerequisite to have a map timed properly....
More like +/- 5. I've had quite a few maps changed online by 6-7ms in the past.GoldenWolf wrote:
It is, but apparently inaccuraries of ~10ms are acceptable.Woobowiz wrote:
I thought it was a ranked prerequisite to have a map timed properly....
I don't think ignoring hit error bar is a very good idea because it DOES work as it should and it's for you to diagnose(not sure how to spell) between your click timings and the actual song, rather than the beatmap itself, because it's the beatmap that's mostly not right.Dexus wrote:
To get higher accuracy it's better to IGNORE the hit error bar (one less thing to look at/worry about while playing). Instead focus on what the hitsounds relate to in the music and time it in sync with them. Also fixing your UO takes priority over messing with LO. The only time you really need to mess with the LO is when the map is clearly and painfully out of sync; the couple ms inaccuracy are acceptable because windows itself fluctuates plus I don't think anyone can hit a stable -1/+1 every time they play. If you're seeing that on EVERY map you're playing that you hit early or late then it's commonly 2 things: 1) your UNIVERSAL offset is wrong 2) you're not listening to the music.
To fix your universal offset simply go download the offset wizard song by peppy and put these sounds into your skin [ http://puu.sh/9BkRs.zip ] Then go into the options and open up the offset wizard (Have the offset wizard song by peppy playing). Stop the music and raise the offset to +10 or +20 and then start it; every tick try and lower it by 1ms until the sound shifts to a deeper almost muted kind of sound. From there go further about 3ms and you should be fine. If you're uncertain about it you should be able to hit stop and then play, the metronome ticks should sound the same as before you stopped the music. I use -5ms on my laptop, -3ms on my desktop. Commonly I see computers be within this range.
This work of art has an online offset of 15ms.Lach wrote:
More like +/- 5. I've had quite a few maps changed online by 6-7ms in the past.
I believe "Map" is a rather exaggerated term for this.NarrillNezzurh wrote:
This map has an online offset of 15ms.Lach wrote:
More like +/- 5. I've had quite a few maps changed online by 6-7ms in the past.
You're missing the soundcard.Kousaka Tenshi wrote:
Any how, I already listed a few factors that affects your accuracy:
- Keyboard delay
- Song timed incorrectly
- Your skin's hitsound could have delays
SupaWolfTiga wrote:
Mathsma wrote:
I wouldn't do it because I am lazy and there are simply too many songs to even bother.
No, I did not ignore the rest of what you wrote.Dexus wrote:
Its like you read the first sentence and ignored the rest of what I wrote.
I know what you mean, if you have stable accuracy but still getting lots of 100s, then it's the offset/timing issue.pooptartsonas wrote:
I change my offset fairly often, but honestly I wouldn't recommend it unless you're consistent enough to know for sure that your misplaying is due to the song being mistimed, rather than your own inconsistency. If you're an accuracy player though, on OD10 it really does make quite the difference; I think you guys are underestimating how many maps are out there that are mistimed enough to actually affect play.
Honestly, you play low OD maps so even if the beat is off by 10ms, you are still easily in range to get a 300Kousaka Tenshi wrote:
No, I did not ignore the rest of what you wrote.Dexus wrote:
Its like you read the first sentence and ignored the rest of what I wrote.
I just didn't want to comment on it because I didn't want to. Also, it seems that actually you ignored what I wrote. Universal offset does not work for everybody, and I'm one of them. Only way for me is to manually set offset if needed.
Sure, some people might think hit error bar is annoying, but let's be honest, there is even an option to resize it, how hard can it be?
And all the lazy people, you're most likely just trashposting.
Sorry, but judging from your page you're clearly an SS player but like he said, those are all low OD songs. Have you tried anything OD9, or even 10? A 300 can easily become a 100 or even 50 with high OD, so how do you cope with that? Maybe some will land in the 300 range, but sorry I still kinda doubt you have enough experience with accuracy to write a guide for others. Frankly, it's a bit misleading and only your own method.Kousaka Tenshi wrote:
Yes, but it does not change the fact that I see the accuracy balance isn't very close to the ideal balance(middle).buny wrote:
Honestly, you play low OD maps so even if the beat is off by 10ms, you are still easily in range to get a 300
what does me getting D's have to do with anything I said? I know your posts well enough that you never actually read anything you try to reply to, but try a little harder.Dexus wrote:
OH you changed your name, I was wondering who the hell you were. I knew your shitposting was familiar. Why do you still get D ranks then?
i can still get an A on an OD9 map with an offset of like +/- 20
it doesnt matter
get better accuracy
what does me getting D's have to do with anything I said?Hypocrite
yeah dude,that just means you cant play accurate for shit. i played with an offset of 50 for 3 minutes and noticed i was completely off,because I somewhat have accuracy. honestly your shitposting is so god damn retarded,you literally whore for attention everywhere. your word your advice like you are one of the best players,even though you are,and my excuses to other players of similiar skill to you who arent dicks,shit. i am shit too by the way,yet i try to give advice from a different point,which is my own and not acting like a top 50 hdhr god (in this case). and after even trying,you had to include "i can get an A on this and that blabla" for whatever reason. as dexus said it:Riince wrote:
perhaps im doing it wrong if the offset doesnt change how i play. i remember setting my offset to like +60 once to fuck around in a multiplayer game with a friend on a really weird bad map to see what would happen and i forgot about it for a week and didnt even notice it and my accuracy pretty much didn't change that whole time.
now that im done ranting over you,here's some advice that is the best for getting better accuracy:Dexus wrote:
i can still get an A on an OD9 map with an offset of like +/- 20
it doesnt matter
get better accuracywhat does me getting D's have to do with anything I said?Hypocrite
that makes more sense, your original wording made it sounds quite to the contrary, but as you're german that's fine. Thanks for clarifying.f i z i k wrote:
I am trying to say you behave like you are on of the best players. It's god damn annoying to see you giving advice on things you aren't even doing well as if you are doing them well. Does that make it clear?
Then allow me to be more clear and less verbose on behalf of my fellow posters. If you're playing to the rhythm and using proper hitsounds, changing your universal offset makes a world of difference whether you realize it or not, end of story.Riince wrote:
Apologies, now it's my turn to be more clear and hopefully less verbose