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Kage - FIRST

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LunarSakuya
osu! Alumni
1,704 posts
Joined August 2011
LunarSakuya
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General
- DamIrrElvis' Insane is missing the video

- Preview point seems to be unsnapped


Easy
00:21:562 (4) - Whistle on head to create a nice contrast with the surrounding Finishes
00:26:299 (3,4) - why not use a similar rhythm as 00:21:246 (3,4) - ?
SPOILER
I think the rhythm consistency and note-to-slider transition would be more lenient for beginner players; Also same whistle suggestion as before lol
00:56:930 (4) - NC, follows the NC pattern close behind it
01:32:930 (2,3) - perhaps make a big uh 2/1 repeat slider out of these?
SPOILER
The large spacing may confuse some players as they've been trained with more condensed patterns from before, if that makes sense. If you apply, there's a another one in the next kiai ofc
01:47:456 (4) - NC

Natteke's Normal
01:03:562 (1) - Don't think I caught the reason for this spinner here? There's not really a distinct hold that warrants this spinner besides the subtle crescendo. I think you can map this out
01:23:299 (4,5) - perhaps use a simple 1/1 rhythm here to follow the vocals
SPOILER
(ignore note placement) i feel like this'll be an easier transition than the repeat slider. Also distinguishes the vocal build-up better imo. Same suggestion follows for 02:13:825 (4,5) - ofc
01:27:562 (2) - clap on head
01:55:668 (2,3,4) - little spacing issue here
02:18:088 (2) - clap on head
02:41:141 (2,3,4) - would this stream be a bit much leading into the slider? Maybe stick with the 1/2 repeat sliders like before
02:52:983 (1) - any reason for the single combo? otherwise, i'd prob delete NC on the next note

Hard
01:33:246 (4) - Clap
01:33:720 (1) - Finish
02:09:246 (2) - Clap on head
02:56:615 (3) - ^
02:57:246 (5,6) - ^ for each
my amazing mod nice diff

DamIrrElvis' Insane
00:46:036 (2,3) - consider moving these a bit closer. The spacing between (1,2) is pretty similar which could cause slight readability issues
00:52:509 (5,7) - try Ctrl + G, this change in direction maintains the back and forth motion from (3,4) instead having to awkwardly reach for it
01:13:588 (1) - This is following silence. Pretty sure you have to move this back to the next blue tick. Then I highly suggest you add something at 01:13:825 (2) - & 01:13:983 (3) - (the next red & white tick)
SPOILER
01:23:615 (2) - how about pulling this upwards and Ctrl + G:
SPOILER
I find the decrease in distance a bit anticlimactic for this vocal build-up here
02:01:667 (1) - try moving this away from the slider's touch
SPOILER
but i guess it's just personal preference anyway lol. The slider before it gives enough breathing room for either
02:03:325 (3) - again this is starting on silence and I strongly recommend moving this back to where (2) is. The finish was also a bit overwhelming here imo
02:17:457 (1,2) - try this rhythm:
SPOILER
Basically, swapping spots with a note. I think this really keeps the momentum from the previous combos and follows the vocals better imo

hatteke30's Extra
01:24:562 (1) - Just an idea but for these slowdowns, you could perhaps designate a color specifically for these. Felt like it might be hard to transition into them since you've basically trained the player to play high speed sliders from the first half of the kiai
01:31:194 (2,3,4) - try swapping the note and the 2 sliders (rhythm-wise)
SPOILER
The sliders catch the vocals better this way imo
01:33:246 (6) - Clap
02:23:299 (2) - Move this downwards:
SPOILER
The clash in direction could warn players of the antijump better. Currently, it flows in the same direction of the slider, making it easily mistakable for a 1/4 or something

hnnngg godly song
Natteke desu
2,487 posts
Joined August 2012
Natteke desu
Done all for my parts \o\
(Damnae's turn)
Damnae
Elite Storyboarder
640 posts
Joined July 2011
Damnae
Done for me, I added the video too.
(Irre's turn)

Irre !
osu file format v13

[General]
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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 74094
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.7
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LetterboxInBreaks: 0
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[Editor]
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DistanceSpacing: 1.1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
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[Metadata]
Title:FIRST
TitleUnicode:FIRST
Artist:Kage
ArtistUnicode:カゲ
Creator:happy30
Version:DamIrrElvis' Insane
Source:
Tags:kkkkage 歌ってみた niki natteke Irreversible EvilElvis Damnae
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Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,315 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
Sent my update to happy ingame, fixed some things myself since no point was adressed to me (except maybe that a circle should be on the blue tick.. but I didn't fix that because the vocal is clearly on the White tick)
happy30
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Joined August 2008
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Garven
osu! Alumni
5,857 posts
Joined January 2010
Garven
Did a bunch of IRC modding concerning the slowdown sliders in the Extra.

All other diffs are looking good, so all I's gots left is the Insane then.

[Insane]
00:39:641 (3) - Not sure what this is doing there.
00:42:167 (3) - ^
00:46:036 (2) - End of the slider is unsnapped. Also doesn't fit with the rest of this section stylistically.
00:52:509 (5,6,7) - I don't get this set of 1/4s
01:14:457 (3,1) - The biggest disappointment ever. Starting with an awesome slider velocity, then taking it away immediately. Boooo. I discussed a lot with happy and Natteke about keeping the slider speeds fairly consistent per section. Sure that first punch is powerful, but you keep to keep that level of intensity otherwise it feels unbalanced.
01:21:720 (4) - Having an unsnapped slider here doesn't really fit the descending pitches after 01:21:088 (2,3) -
01:22:036 (1,2,3) - These series of 3 sliders spacing is all over the place. Make it consistent. All three hits in the song have fairly equal standing intensity wise, so it would be preferable to have all the spacing reflect that evenness. Not giant jump -> small jump, or giant jump -> distance snap.
01:41:457 (5,6,7) - Random fluff that makes no sense musically.
02:27:562 (4) - Um. Delete that.
02:35:930 (3) - This final chorus also does that weird inconsistent speed dance that really doesn't play very well. It's better than the first one, but it's still noticeable right from the start of the chorus and takes away from the intensity. Maybe keep the first section up until around 02:39:957 - then you can make a smaller slowdown to the 1.1x so that you still have that extra burst at 02:45:404 - (i'd still vote for keeping it all the same and having the higher burst at 2:45 just faster than everything prior)
02:43:509 (3,4) - This overlap is fugly as all hell. 02:35:930 (3,4) - Is almost tolerable, but this one is yuck.
Natteke desu
2,487 posts
Joined August 2012
Natteke desu

Garven wrote:

Did a bunch of IRC modding concerning the slowdown sliders in the Extra.

All other diffs are looking good, so all I's gots left is the Insane then.

[Insane]
00:39:641 (3) - Not sure what this is doing there. it's a 1/4 arrangement, and i can't say that 1/4 is unplayable or something like this.Come on, bunch of testplayers already played it and no one had any problems with this
00:42:167 (3) - ^
00:46:036 (2) - End of the slider is unsnapped. Also doesn't fit with the rest of this section stylistically.It's finenot so fine
00:52:509 (5,6,7) - I don't get this set of 1/4s it's a 1/4 arrangement blah-blah-blah
01:14:457 (3,1) - The biggest disappointment ever. Starting with an awesome slider velocity, then taking it away immediately. Boooo. I discussed a lot with happy and Natteke about keeping the slider speeds fairly consistent per section. Sure that first punch is powerful, but you keep to keep that level of intensity otherwise it feels unbalanced.Okay, i can explain. I'm using this "awesome slider velocity" because of Kiai beginning and it's just a way to emphasis this moment. So about keeping the sliders speeds consistent, my answer is no, soz. Also i don't feel like it plays bad or something (not only me as you can see, since this map was bubbled)(thats the word about playability)
01:21:720 (4) - Having an unsnapped slider here doesn't really fit the descending pitches after 01:21:088 (2,3) - I don't feel anything unfitting here 1/2 better, yes
01:22:036 (1,2,3) - These series of 3 sliders spacing is all over the place. Make it consistent. All three hits in the song have fairly equal standing intensity wise, so it would be preferable to have all the spacing reflect that evenness. Not giant jump -> small jump, or giant jump -> distance snap. i'm still think that all fits here
01:41:457 (5,6,7) - Random fluff that makes no sense musically.
02:27:562 (4) - Um. Delete that.Thank you!Hope happy can delete this circle for me
02:35:930 (3) - This final chorus also does that weird inconsistent speed dance that really doesn't play very well. It's better than the first one, but it's still noticeable right from the start of the chorus and takes away from the intensity. Maybe keep the first section up until around 02:39:957 - then you can make a smaller slowdown to the 1.1x so that you still have that extra burst at 02:45:404 - (i'd still vote for keeping it all the same and having the higher burst at 2:45 just faster than everything prior)
02:43:509 (3,4) - This overlap is fugly as all hell. 02:35:930 (3,4) - Is almost tolerable, but this one is yuck.
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Garven
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Followed up with Elvis in IRC. We got things hammered out and things look good now. Waiting on the other mappers, I guess.
Irreversible
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Garven wrote:

01:41:457 (5,6,7) - Random fluff that makes no sense musically. ok
02:35:930 (3) - This final chorus also does that weird inconsistent speed dance that really doesn't play very well. It's better than the first one, but it's still noticeable right from the start of the chorus and takes away from the intensity. Maybe keep the first section up until around 02:39:957 - then you can make a smaller slowdown to the 1.1x so that you still have that extra burst at 02:45:404 - (i'd still vote for keeping it all the same and having the higher burst at 2:45 just faster than everything prior) It's not like anyone would have really noticed, but changed a bit.
02:43:509 (3,4) - This overlap is fugly as all hell. 02:35:930 (3,4) - Is almost tolerable, but this one is yuck. fixed
Garven
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Boom
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Bam
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THANKS!
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congrats \o/
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Nice one, grats!
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Congratulations happy
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ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ KAGE OR RITO ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
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You guys are too quick. My mapset will be done soon!

Congratulations fellas
HabiHolic
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Gratz~
Lach
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This clusterfuck of names for difficulties is getting old

Cool map though
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^ It's quite okayish and probably collabers had no choice though

Pure awesomenesssssss congratz!
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Gratz \O/
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fuck spinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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thanks all :)
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\:D/
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hot teke hot hot teke
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Gratz Guys o/
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Sick song! Sick map! Thank you so much!
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Congrats!
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not passable with hr .-.
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Zare
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Good job on YET AGAIN creating a map that's almost impossible to do with HR.
When will mappers and BATs learn

ffs

dont get me wrong the map is great but the end spinner + drain is just dumb

actually this could still be fixed, the map's only qualified.. Please do something
happy30
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hp drain has been nerfed A LOT already. (it's 6.3 now)
without mods it's easily doable with 300+ rpm

now unrank all maps that can't be played with DT because you can't stream as fast.
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Zare
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the drain is fine, I'd rather suggest shortening or removing the spinner

Right now the spinner doesn't end on a significant sound, it just ends at a random place in the fadeout of the guitar chord, you might as well have it end a measure or two earlier without chaning anything about it's idea or function
all that would change is that this map would gain a great deal of replay value, since you can actually get pp from it that way
kisata
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Zare wrote:

Good job on YET AGAIN creating a map that's almost impossible to do with HR.
Then don't play it with HR.

Zare wrote:

all that would change is that this map would gain a great deal of replay value, since you can actually get pp from it that way
Utterly ridiculous. Why on earth should they design it with pp in mind? They had a vision for the map and that is how they designed it. If you don't like that, don't play it or create your own.
Zare
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Why do mappers these days have so much trouble with considering the player perspective what the fuck

you're creating levels for players to play (at least when going for rank) so don't throw a "Mario World 1-1" and then end it with "Super Meat Boy Dark World 6"
Jenny
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Maps are not mapped to be played with a certain mod, so having impossibilities and whatnot is rather.. natural - if we applied all rules to all mods, we would have to unrank Rainbow Dash for having the big snail slider touch the health bar on HR :v

Still, personally, while I have no problem with the drain, I generally like slow sliders more as to emphasize an echo that is fading out, so I have went with something big and fancy like this (minus the offscreen part and with like, a 0.2x SV section):


Andrea
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My personal concern is the difficulty spread to be honest, the Insane feels like another Extra difficulty to me.
Soarezi
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happy30 wrote:

now unrank all maps that can't be played with DT because you can't stream as fast.
There's a difference between possibility and impossibility.
Skystar
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Guys, calm down. There is no need to be like this. It's technically nothing wrong with the mapper for creating a spinner in a certain length. Keep in mind that he's the creator of the map after all, he has the absolute right to do whatever he wants, as long as it doesn't violate the ranking criteria. You may not like it, but it's not worthy of an unrank in order to force the mapper to change it. All you can do here is simply to create your own set and do wahtever you want. (heh, like what I did for some song that you may know)

The thing is just as simple - you may not like something, point it out. 1) hopefully the mapper agrees with you and change it - happy end. 2) if not, go away in silence (and make your own if you feel like to) - end.
Irreversible
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Amamiya Yuko wrote:

happy end

Amamiya Yuko wrote:

happy end

Amamiya Yuko wrote:

happy30 end
i see what you did there
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