This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on July 14, 2014 at 8:39:49 PM

Artist: Studio EiM & Chaotic Content
Title: Ancient Dragon
Source: Vindictus
BPM: 150
Filesize: 3215kb
Play Time: 02:15
Difficulties Available:

1. Ancient Dragon (5.62 stars, 479 notes)
2. Hard (3.67 stars, 271 notes)
3. Insane (5 stars, 371 notes)
4. Normal (1.96 stars, 148 notes)

Download: Studio EiM & Chaotic Content - Ancient Dragon
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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This is my first attempt at mapping. Enjoy~

Some IRC mod for you my friend I like the song btw!

Shirayuki wrote:

Some IRC mod for you my friend I like the song btw!

Click me!

• 16:04 Shirayuki: let's start with the hardest lol
  16:04 *Shirayuki is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/455620 Vindictus BGM - Ancient Dragon [Ancient Dragon]]
  16:05 Shirayuki: 00:00:000 (1,2,3) - I suggest you to bring these closer, they are the first 3 notes, the intro into the map
  16:05 YowzaH: But shouldn't the intro also set the tone for the map?
  16:05 Shirayuki: like http://puu.sh/a5P9N/82fddaefd6.jpg is fine
  16:05 Shirayuki: normally you would want the intro to be something simple, then increase it bit by bit
  16:06 Shirayuki: And then you lead the players into the kiai
  16:06 YowzaH: So then how about the second set? after the first spinner
  16:06 Shirayuki: No song starts off strong in the start xD
  16:06 Shirayuki: the second set can be further
  16:06 Shirayuki: Since now the players know that it's gonna be jumps, they are prepared for it
  16:06 YowzaH: I see
  16:06 Shirayuki: I'm not a fan of those totally across the screen jumps like those though
  16:06 YowzaH: So the second set can stay as is? Or should it still be a lil closer
  16:07 Shirayuki: just a tiny bit is better
  16:07 YowzaH: Alright then
  16:07 Shirayuki: like http://puu.sh/a5Plk/9a0f1e6853.jpg
  16:08 YowzaH: Mkay
  16:08 Shirayuki: 00:16:000 (1,2,3) - You should delete these, and make a short stream like
  16:09 Shirayuki: 00:14:800 (1,2,3,4) -
  16:09 Shirayuki: Make them symetrical
  16:09 YowzaH: How can I lead to the (6) slider then?
  16:10 Shirayuki: Uhm, what cha mean lol
  16:10 YowzaH: Oh nvm lol
  16:10 YowzaH: Found a way
  16:10 Shirayuki: 00:14:800 - 00:15:800
  16:10 Shirayuki: 00:14:800 - 00:15:800
  16:10 Shirayuki: This is very similar to
  16:11 Shirayuki: 00:16:400 - 00:17:400
  16:11 Shirayuki: so making them symetrical makes more sense to me
  16:11 Shirayuki: 00:21:600 (1,2,3,4) - make them a better square!
  16:12 YowzaH: LOL alright alright
  16:13 Shirayuki: hmm actually you can keep those circles but add some extra circle to make it into a stream is fine
  16:13 Shirayuki: like add one at 00:16:500
  16:13 Shirayuki: then bring 3 closer, turning it into a 5-note stream
  16:13 YowzaH: Yeah I added that already
  16:13 Shirayuki: 00:18:100 same here
  16:13 Shirayuki: same here 00:18:100
  16:13 Shirayuki: fail banho link
  16:13 YowzaH: lol
  16:14 YowzaH: but yeah, I fixed those since the first time you told me to make it symmetrical
  16:14 Shirayuki: 00:23:200 (1,2,3,4) - maybe make this into a diamond shape jump is better
  16:14 Shirayuki: another square jump
  16:15 YowzaH: How about the other jump? the weird W one
  16:15 Shirayuki: like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1804725
  16:15 Shirayuki: that W jumps, well, you have 2 obtions
  16:15 Shirayuki: 1 is you should bring 1 up as high as 3 so it's a zigzag
  16:16 Shirayuki: or make it a bigger square jumps than those 4
  16:16 Shirayuki: since these 4 are the same timing-wise as those 4 earlier, and even those 4 sliders ealier
  16:17 Shirayuki: the spaced 5streams after that are ok, but make them line up a bit better xD
  16:17 Shirayuki: 00:31:200 (1) - this spinner is too long, maybe make it shorter and put in a break?
  16:17 YowzaH: http://puu.sh/a5QbL.jpg is this the zigzag you recommended?
  16:18 Shirayuki: also notice that the end of the spinner is only 1/4 beat away from the next note, you should make this spinner 1/4 shorter, ending on the red note at least
  16:18 Shirayuki: yeah that looks ok
  16:18 Shirayuki: reverse the order maybe, so the notes after that should have a relatively good distance
  16:18 Shirayuki: like (1) in (2), (2) in (1)
  16:18 YowzaH: http://puu.sh/a5Qhr.jpg is this far enough then?
  16:19 Shirayuki: that's better imo lol
  16:20 YowzaH: mkay
  16:20 Shirayuki: 00:37:600 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - these sounds weird
  16:21 Shirayuki: technically they should sound the same as 00:40:345 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - right
  16:21 YowzaH: like the sound?
  16:21 YowzaH: yeah they technically should
  16:22 Shirayuki: 00:38:332 (5) - change it back to the previous combo
  16:22 YowzaH: They sound the same to me
  16:22 Shirayuki: yeah, so you should add note / change paterns around for them
  16:22 YowzaH: Er, change the 1 to what?
  16:23 Shirayuki: 00:39:796 (1) - change it back to the previous combo
  16:23 Shirayuki: just click on it and press q
  16:23 YowzaH: oh, didn't realize i made it a new combo lol
  16:23 Shirayuki: 00:42:724 (1) - press q
  16:23 Shirayuki: 00:44:188 (1) - press q
  16:24 Shirayuki: 00:49:771 (4) - I don't hear any sound here
  16:25 Shirayuki: I think you should delete it, and bring 00:49:954 (5) - to 00:49:862
  16:25 YowzaH: wha?
  16:25 Shirayuki: if you use 50% playback you can notice it
  16:25 Shirayuki: try to delete it, you won't hear a sound there
  16:26 YowzaH: delete which one? the 4 or 5
  16:26 Shirayuki: technically they are the same as 00:52:242 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
  16:26 Shirayuki: 4, and bring 5 (the new 4) closer
  16:27 YowzaH: But wouldn't that make a straight pattern?
  16:27 Shirayuki: 00:49:313 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3) - These look like random placing circles T_T
  16:27 YowzaH: Like I made the pattern like that so it becomes an off beat, like | | || |
  16:28 Shirayuki: well, you should not and cannot map where there's no beat right -.-
  16:28 Shirayuki: that's overmapping
  16:28 YowzaH: o
  16:28 YowzaH: -.
  16:28 YowzaH: .-.
  16:29 Shirayuki: you can make the look like the 6 later
  16:29 Shirayuki: 00:52:242 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - these sound good
  16:29 Shirayuki: but I think that 4 still might be overmapping lol
  16:29 YowzaH: So i can't do that? ;c
  16:29 Shirayuki: maybe you can change 00:52:608 (3,4,5) - into a slider
  16:30 YowzaH: Alright then
  16:31 Shirayuki: https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Insane
  16:31 Shirayuki: Read overmapping! Nao!
  16:31 YowzaH: QwQ
  16:31 YowzaH: o
  16:32 Shirayuki: 01:01:027 (1) - press q
  16:32 YowzaH: So the same at 00:54:072
  16:32 Shirayuki: hmm
  16:32 Shirayuki: the later half of your map has great paterns lol
  16:33 YowzaH: Yeah, the first half was me being a complete noob at mapping lol
  16:33 YowzaH: Then I took some advice from other mappers/players
  16:33 Shirayuki: 01:27:749 (3,8) - bring this a bit closer to the right, so it's symetrical to the 2 and 5
  16:33 YowzaH: But you're the first modder so yeah owo
  16:33 Shirayuki: I mean just 5 T_T
  16:33 YowzaH: mkay
  16:33 Shirayuki: Oh well, bless me xD
  16:34 Shirayuki: 01:27:566 (2,7) - bring this just a bit higher and a bit closer so it's symetrical to the 1 and the 6
  16:34 YowzaH: "Bring it closer to the 2 and 5" QQ hao2do
  16:34 Shirayuki: not 2 xD
  16:34 Shirayuki: just 5!
  16:34 YowzaH: LOL okay then
  16:34 Shirayuki: 01:29:579 (3) - Ctrl G
  16:34 Shirayuki: why is this the only thing that goes that way
  16:35 YowzaH: o
  16:35 Shirayuki: wait
  16:35 YowzaH: oops ;3
  16:35 YowzaH: -waits-
  16:35 Shirayuki: these sliders hmm, which way you want them to be
  16:35 YowzaH: Oh
  16:36 YowzaH: So I should make the sliders symmetrical/go the same way?
  16:36 Shirayuki: But yeah, you should Ctrl G on that slider
  16:36 Shirayuki: nah, you can do what you did
  16:36 Shirayuki: slightly tilt them
  16:37 Shirayuki: 01:39:097 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - the last 4 has too big of a distance
  16:37 Shirayuki: 01:40:195 (1) - press Q also
  16:37 YowzaH: So I can't make them that spaced? ;c
  16:37 Shirayuki: you can increase the spacing between them during a stream, but do it in consideration T_T
  16:37 Shirayuki: you can, but players gonna hate it, and this is more of an old techniques
  16:38 Shirayuki: you don't see spaced streams nowadays
  16:38 YowzaH: Ehhh okay then ;c
  16:38 Shirayuki: especially "this" spaced
  16:38 Shirayuki: 01:41:293 (5) - Press Q
  16:38 YowzaH: alright
  16:38 YowzaH: Fixed it a bit
  16:38 Shirayuki: 01:42:025 (9) - Press Q
  16:38 Shirayuki: 01:42:757 (13) - Press Q
  16:39 Shirayuki: 01:44:221 (5) - Press Q
  16:39 Shirayuki: 01:44:953 (9) - Press Q
  16:39 Shirayuki: 01:45:685 (13) - same
  16:39 YowzaH: QwQ
  16:39 Shirayuki: 01:47:150 (5) - same
  16:39 Shirayuki: same
  16:39 Shirayuki: 01:48:614 (13) - same
  16:39 Shirayuki: so fail
  16:39 Shirayuki: 01:51:908 (1) - same
  16:39 Shirayuki: 01:52:091 (1) - same
  16:40 Shirayuki: so spaced T_T
  16:40 YowzaH: ;c
  16:40 YowzaH: Fixed that too QQ
  16:40 Shirayuki: hmm
  16:40 Shirayuki: the last part, you did a good job on it
  16:40 Shirayuki: I like how you did it
  16:40 YowzaH: ;D
  16:41 Shirayuki: maybe I'm in favour of old-style mapping at this part
  16:41 Shirayuki: let's leave this at that, after these changes, you should look at it again. Poke me after you are satisfied with it
  16:41 Shirayuki: onto insane
  16:42 YowzaH: [Ancient Dragon] lost .04 stars ;c
  16:42 Shirayuki: 00:00:000 (1,2) - -.-
  16:42 YowzaH: Okay okay...
  16:42 Shirayuki: probably from those spaced streams
  16:42 Shirayuki: try to make spaced streams, your stars will go rocket through the sky
  16:42 YowzaH: True
  16:42 Shirayuki: if you care about stars lol
  16:43 YowzaH: Nah, not too much, more for the jumpiness
  16:43 Shirayuki: I make an insane map of 3.94 and I'm happy with it lol
  16:43 Shirayuki: and these 00:00:000 (1,2)
  16:43 Shirayuki: first note right on the first tick of the map
  16:43 Shirayuki: right after you start the map you have to click it
  16:43 Shirayuki: this is impossible lol
  16:43 Shirayuki: specially when you always start the map with cursor in the middle
  16:44 YowzaH: Hmmm..
  16:44 Shirayuki: unless you miss that 50 times and keep hitting retry
  16:44 Shirayuki: try it yourself
  16:44 Shirayuki: after that try to jump to 2 which is in the opposite corner of the world lol
  16:44 YowzaH: lol i guess so
  16:45 YowzaH: Er, listen i gotta go eat for a bit, so I'll be afk for about 5-15 mins
  16:45 YowzaH: Thanks for the help btw ^^
  16:45 Shirayuki: move this 1 beat up
  16:45 Shirayuki: noooooo
  16:45 Shirayuki: well, I'll post this on your thread then, then Imma go eat something
  16:45 Shirayuki: talk to you later xd
  
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  16:58 Shirayuki: we can continue if you want, let me eat smth first xd
  16:58 YowzaH: sure lol tyt
  17:13 Shirayuki: okay
  17:13 Shirayuki: let's continue
  17:13 YowzaH: Alright then
  17:13 Shirayuki: 00:00:000 (1,2) - Change !!!!
  17:13 *Shirayuki is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/455979 Vindictus BGM - Ancient Dragon [Insane]]
  17:14 YowzaH: OKAY OKAY LOL
  17:14 YowzaH: change to what?
  17:14 Shirayuki: move 1 closer to the center at least
  17:14 Shirayuki: 00:01:200 (1) - Move this to 00:00:800
  17:14 YowzaH: Do you have the most recent version btw?
  17:14 YowzaH: I moved it a lil
  17:14 Shirayuki: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1804817
  17:15 Shirayuki: I think mine is the latest
  17:15 YowzaH: Mkay then, I just updated like 10 mins ago so yeah
  17:15 YowzaH: btw, how did you get your skin to allow the background preview? QQ
  17:16 Shirayuki: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1804819
  17:16 Shirayuki: this is from Version: 2.3 or later in the skin.ini
  17:16 YowzaH: http://puu.sh/a5UEl.jpg
  17:17 Shirayuki: 00:07:600 (1) - Move this 1 beat earlier
  17:17 YowzaH: http://puu.sh/a5UGn.jpg
  17:17 YowzaH: And alright
  17:17 Shirayuki: You mean the thumbnails of the background of the songs showing next to the difficulty?
  17:17 YowzaH: Mhm
  17:17 Shirayuki: That's from that option and Version: 2.3 and later
  17:18 Shirayuki: https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Skin_Versions#Skin_Versions
  17:18 Shirayuki: I mean 2.2+ lol
  17:18 YowzaH: So how do I get my skin to have Version 2.2+?
  17:18 Shirayuki: 00:26:400 (3) - Ctrl G
  17:19 Shirayuki: http://puu.sh/a5UOH/c15f3b5d5e.png
  17:19 Shirayuki: this is my skin.ini
  17:19 Shirayuki: you see that line?
  17:19 Shirayuki: replace latest with 2.2 or 2.3
  17:19 Shirayuki: I leave it as latest coz I'm lazy lol
  17:20 Shirayuki: 00:28:800 (1,2,3,4) - Ctrl G is better imo
  17:20 Shirayuki: 00:30:400 (1,2,3,4) - same, I think this should be Ctrl G
  17:20 Shirayuki: going clockwise through all these jumps are boring
  17:20 Shirayuki: btw I like how you map from the start up here
  17:21 YowzaH: Oh ty ;3
  17:21 Shirayuki: 00:31:200 (1) - this spinner is a bit too long, you can keep it, I'm not a fan of spinning like crazy then do jumps lol
  17:22 Shirayuki: 00:40:528 (1) - this repeating sliders has repeater in the off beat
  17:22 Shirayuki: half of them are on 1/8, consider changing it
  17:22 Shirayuki: btw it is highly recommended that you map on 1/4
  17:22 Shirayuki: Normal and Easy = map on 1/2
  17:22 Shirayuki: Unless you are a genius
  17:22 YowzaH: o-o?
  17:22 Shirayuki: and mape Nhato - Miss you
  17:22 Shirayuki: map*
  17:22 YowzaH: oh
  17:22 Shirayuki: That map is a masterpiece
  17:23 Shirayuki: look at it in the editor later lol
  17:23 YowzaH: Indeed, but very, very difficult to complete
  17:23 YowzaH: mkay
  17:23 YowzaH: But so er, no 1/8 repeater? ;c
  17:23 Shirayuki: I'm talking about the sheer skills to map it
  17:23 Shirayuki: well
  17:23 Shirayuki: again, it's fine, but you're mapping onto an unknown beat
  17:23 Shirayuki: this can cause confusion while playing
  17:23 Shirayuki: this is a rhythm game!
  17:23 YowzaH: QQ
  17:23 Shirayuki: 00:41:260 (3) - same
  17:23 YowzaH: 1/8 is still a rhythm D;
  17:24 Shirayuki: then map the entire map on 1/8
  17:24 YowzaH: o
  17:24 YowzaH: That's what you meant
  17:24 Shirayuki: and realize if you go to 1/4 your notes are still on the right tick lol
  17:24 Shirayuki: This map doesn't need to be mapped in 1/8 imo
  17:25 Shirayuki: 00:44:371 (2,3,4) - stack this at the end of the previous slider
  17:25 Shirayuki: 00:47:300 (2,3,4) - same
  17:25 YowzaH: Oh, I thought I stacked it there
  17:25 Shirayuki: 00:52:974 (9) - Press Q
  17:26 Shirayuki: 00:53:706 (17) - same
  17:26 Shirayuki: 00:53:889 (1) - same
  17:26 Shirayuki: 00:56:634 (9) - same
  17:26 YowzaH: q
  17:26 YowzaH: oops
  17:26 Shirayuki: 00:56:817 (1) - same
  17:26 Shirayuki: -.-
  17:26 YowzaH: ;c
  17:26 YowzaH: I suck at timing for new combos kay? D;
  17:26 Shirayuki: 00:53:889 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - what patern is this -.-
  17:27 YowzaH: oh that erm
  17:27 YowzaH: Uh
  17:27 Shirayuki: http://puu.sh/a5Vr7/017cc6e618.jpg
  17:27 Shirayuki: make it looks like this?
  17:27 YowzaH: An awkward S..?
  17:27 YowzaH: Hmmm
  17:27 Shirayuki: if so, bring the incoming stream closer to 7
  17:27 Shirayuki: or change the order of the notes in that patern so 7 is closer to the stream
  17:29 YowzaH: Mkay then
  17:29 Shirayuki: http://puu.sh/a5VyY/bee1808277.jpg this is a bit better
  17:29 Shirayuki: then bring the whole patern up
  17:29 Shirayuki: so the spacing between 6 7 and 1 of the stream is closer
  17:30 YowzaH: http://puu.sh/a5VFs.jpg
  17:30 YowzaH: Is this okay?
  17:30 Shirayuki: 01:14:205 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - change the patern, the timing between 3 and 4 is confusing
  17:30 Shirayuki: that looks good
  17:31 Shirayuki: bring 01:14:937 (4) - closer to 3 or smth, and press q on it
  17:31 Shirayuki: or not
  17:31 Shirayuki: just bring it closer and change the patern imo
  17:31 YowzaH: closer?
  17:31 YowzaH: Is it okay if I brought it further?
  17:31 Shirayuki: 01:18:598 (1) - press q
  17:31 YowzaH: http://puu.sh/a5VNd.jpg
  17:31 Shirayuki: sure, it's your creativity, but I suggest you somehow make the spacing between them readable like the beat
  17:32 Shirayuki: 01:20:062 (1) - press q
  17:32 YowzaH: How do I make triplets readable though, considering this is a jump map?
  17:32 Shirayuki: you mean 01:14:205 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - ?
  17:32 YowzaH: yeah
  17:33 Shirayuki: http://puu.sh/a5VUZ/eba3d520db.jpg
  17:33 Shirayuki: something like this is an example
  17:33 YowzaH: Like I feel the way I structured it allowed for some leeway
  17:33 Shirayuki: 2 V
  17:33 Shirayuki: if so, new combo on 4 is better
  17:34 Shirayuki: you see how the spacing between them are even, except between 3 and 4
  17:34 YowzaH: hmm
  17:34 YowzaH: http://puu.sh/a5W1n.jpg
  17:34 Shirayuki: it sounds way better that way lol
  17:35 YowzaH: I feel like this pattern will keep the consistency of the triplets
  17:35 Shirayuki: switch place of 1 and 2 -.-
  17:35 Shirayuki: of the green
  17:35 Shirayuki: 01:21:526 (3) - press q
  17:35 YowzaH: ;c
  17:36 Shirayuki: hmm, I think 01:18:598 (1) - should still be the new combo, if you changed it, q again
  17:36 Shirayuki: you chop them following the guitar I think
  17:36 Shirayuki: 01:20:062 (1) - same
  17:36 Shirayuki: 01:27:383 (3) - new combo
  17:37 Shirayuki: 01:33:240 (5) - new combo
  17:37 Shirayuki: 01:39:097 (5) - new combo
  17:37 Shirayuki: 01:41:293 (3) - new combo
  17:37 Shirayuki: 01:50:810 (7) - -.-
  17:37 Shirayuki: why
  17:37 YowzaH: ;c
  17:38 Shirayuki: 01:51:542 (8) - new combo, and maybe make it more visible, the leeway of the other slider totally and completely hides this guy
  17:38 Shirayuki: people gonna releast that button lol
  17:38 Shirayuki: release*
  17:38 Shirayuki: and yes change them back to 1/4 -.-
  17:38 YowzaH: okie ;c
  17:39 Shirayuki: 02:09:113 (5) - new combo
  17:39 Shirayuki: 02:10:577 (1) - q, return it to the previous combo
  17:39 Shirayuki: 02:10:943 (1) - same
  17:39 Shirayuki: you're keeping up with 1 2 3 4 - 1 2 3 4 - 1 2 3 4 - 1 2 3 4 jumps, so keep the combo that way
  17:40 YowzaH: alright
  17:40 Shirayuki: or make it 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 - and so on
  17:40 Shirayuki: 02:10:943 here to the end looks fine combo-wise
  17:40 YowzaH: mkay, i fixed that section then
  17:40 Shirayuki: 02:10:943 - to the end
  17:40 Shirayuki: 02:15:336 (2) - hmm, this, hmm, maybe 1/8 here is fine
  17:41 YowzaH: ;D
  17:41 Shirayuki: 02:15:702 (3) - press q tho
  17:41 Shirayuki: onto hard
  17:41 Shirayuki: 00:00:000 (1,2) - change it!!!!
  17:41 *Shirayuki is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/455980 Vindictus BGM - Ancient Dragon [Hard]]
  17:41 YowzaH: QQ
  17:41 Shirayuki: 00:18:800 (2) - bring this up a bit
  17:41 Shirayuki: so it's as high as 1
  17:42 Shirayuki: 00:21:600 (1,2,3,4) - this is good
  17:42 Shirayuki: make spacing like this ok
  17:42 Shirayuki: it's so readable
  17:42 Shirayuki: 00:28:000 (3) - +10 for creativity
  17:42 YowzaH: ;D
  17:42 YowzaH: That took me a legit 20 minutes
  17:43 Shirayuki: but
  17:43 YowzaH: ;c
  17:43 Shirayuki: it's 1/4 shorter lol
  17:43 Shirayuki: make it end on the white tick!
  17:43 YowzaH: ?
  17:43 YowzaH: o
  17:43 YowzaH: QQ
  17:43 Shirayuki: pull the head out
  17:44 Shirayuki: pull the beginning dot out then move the entire patern on the timing bar
  17:44 YowzaH: mkay, it's done nao
  17:44 Shirayuki: k
  17:44 YowzaH: Is the spinner afterwards too long?
  17:44 Shirayuki: 00:44:921 (5) - new combo
  17:44 Shirayuki: it's reasonable to me
  17:44 Shirayuki: it's as long as that spiral slider
  17:45 YowzaH: Alright then
  17:45 Shirayuki: a bit longer
  17:45 Shirayuki: but ok
  17:45 Shirayuki: but yeah still long
  17:45 Shirayuki: maybe end it at 00:36:800 - ?
  17:46 YowzaH: I ended it at 34:400
  17:46 YowzaH: is that fine?
  17:46 YowzaH: I put a break in between the spinner and the next note
  17:46 Shirayuki: 00:54:438 (1) - q
  17:46 Shirayuki: 00:54:804 (1) - q
  17:46 Shirayuki: that's fine
  17:46 Shirayuki: 01:06:884 (1,1,1,1) - make em symetrical lol
  17:47 Shirayuki: I'll show you a powerful tool
  17:47 YowzaH: ctrl-d? o-o
  17:47 Shirayuki: Ctrl - C ; Ctrl - V; Ctrl - > ; Ctrl - < ; Ctrl - H and Ctrl - J
  17:47 Shirayuki: try them
  17:47 Shirayuki: also Ctrl Shift R if you like square, it can be useful for other times too
  17:48 Shirayuki: http://puu.sh/a5X0O/a8af8ad996.jpg -.-
  17:48 Shirayuki: so copy 1 and make 3 other copies, then rotate it around the center and make em symetrical ok
  17:48 Shirayuki: 01:14:205 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - this is good
  17:48 Shirayuki: why didn't you do the same on insane
  17:49 YowzaH: Absolutely
  17:49 Shirayuki: 01:15:669 (4) - new combo
  17:49 YowzaH: no idea
  17:49 Shirayuki: 01:18:598 (3) - q
  17:49 Shirayuki: 01:20:062 (3) - q
  17:49 Shirayuki: 01:21:892 (1) - q
  17:49 Shirayuki: 01:22:624 (1) - q
  17:49 Shirayuki: 01:24:454 (3) - q
  17:49 Shirayuki: 01:25:919 (3) - q
  17:49 YowzaH: I can't tell which one I did and which one I didn't ;c
  17:50 Shirayuki: 01:31:775 (3) - q
  17:50 Shirayuki: 01:39:829 (1,2,3,4) - Rotate then 45 degree, or change direction maybe idk, it doesn't have to be hard in hard diff, so it's fine the way it is I guess
  17:51 Shirayuki: 01:48:888 (1) - q
  17:51 Shirayuki: 01:49:163 (1) - q
  17:51 Shirayuki: 02:08:381 (3) - q
  17:51 Shirayuki: yep
  17:51 Shirayuki: I like this diff way better lol
  17:51 Shirayuki: normal ...
  17:51 YowzaH: I spent more time and thought into [Normal] and [Hard]
  17:51 Shirayuki: wel, AIMod, turn on distance checking, and make sure no error ok lol
  17:52 YowzaH: 23
  17:52 YowzaH: 23 errors
  17:52 YowzaH: QQ
  17:52 Shirayuki: http://puu.sh/a5Xjv/65d6ff272b.jpg
  17:52 Shirayuki: yep
  17:52 Shirayuki: fix em all!

Thanks for the mod! ;D

Oi, random mod from #modreq.

I only played the hardest difficulty, but some of these points may apply to other diffs too.

If you feel that some of these points won't improve the map, please ignore them.
Also, please give feedback on what you did/didn't change and why.

Ancient dragon
-Instead of "Vindictus BGM", you should put the actual name of the composer on the name and put Vindictus in Source.
-Try to use more hitsounds in your map since they really are a vital part of a map. If you don't have experience in hitsounding I'd recommend watching this video.
-I don't think the whole map needs to be such a jumpfest, try to have some kind of base flow value and some jumps here and there for the less intense parts such as 00:49:313 (1) - 00:55:536 (3).
-Also try to have bit more consistent spacing overall. For example 00:55:536 (3,1) - these are a bit too close considering there's a slight break between them, which makes it hard to read.
01:46:418 (1,2,3,4) - These blanked thingies felt bit awkward too. Try lengthening the distance between the slider and the notes.
-You could add kiai mode starting here 02:03:988 (1) - Since I felt it was the grand finale with big ass jumps and streams.
-The map kinda feels like it stops in the middle of the song. Consider mapping the last part too.
-The last break is way too long, consider shortening it.
01:16:401 (8,1) - Pls no, it sounds way too loud and doesn't really fit.
01:39:097 (1) - This stream goes a bit too overboard in the end imo. There were some other streams like this but they weren't as bad.

I hope I didn't forget anything. Also sorry if it's kinda unorganized, I'm too tired atm to organize it properly.
If you got any questions regarding my mod feel free to ask me ingame or via pm.

Oh, and good luck mapping!

Heya Lgndzr,

I fixed all the points you made, but I do not fully agree with the point in which you say not to make it a jumpfest. I've been planning on making [Ancient Dragon] to become a jump map, as indicated through the first jumps in the beginning of the song. I wish the difficulty to remain as a jump map, but I have also made slight adjustments concerning the ridiculous jumps as well.

Thanks for the modding, by the way! ;D

I'm not a super pro player / modder, so I don't have much to say about harder diffs... sorry.

General
The last break time is too long. It is kinda frustrating to have a long break just before the end.
All diffs feel very monotonous. I mean, they all hugely consist of regular hitsounds, like 1 hit / tic in normal diff and others 2 hits / tic.
Distance spacing is a really big problem overall. It would be best to use same spacing most the time in one diff, or it becomes really hard to read the maps.
Ancient Dragon diff has some kiai time. Add that to other diffs too.

Normal
Feels too hard for a normal diff map...
00:15:200 (1,2) - Replace these with slider 00:15:200-00:15:800
00:16:800 ↑
00:18:400 ↑
ETC
00:21:600 (1) - Make the slider longer, in same style as above.
00:28:000 New combo.
Avoid big jumps like 00:49:313.
Distance snappin should be pretty regular, since this is a normal map. But in your map distance spacing varies usually between 0,7-1,2. In 00:52:974 spacing becames 0,5, which is still OK in my opinion (part of style), but 00:54:438 (3,1) - are too close each other.
01:14:205 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This part is too weird for normal. Might be better if you spread objects a bit.
01:46:418 Pointless small jump.
01:49:346 (1,2,3) - Slider 1 too near the last slider. This part is also a bit weird, but not too bad.


Hard
More like Insane.
There isn't any logic in distance spacing. Normal spacing varies beetween 1,0-1,8 and there is a huge amount of randomly long jumps.
00:06:400 (1,2) - Consider making a smaller jump.
00:16:800 (1,2) - ↑
00:54:987 (6,1) - ↑
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00:37:600 Consider making the beginning of the new BPM bit easier (or use sliders). That way players can get used to the new BPM -> easier to read -> better flow in playing.

Insane
00:52:242-00:58:099 Why are there suddenly couple big streams? They don't fit the music at all, in my opinion.

Ancient Dragon
Too many jumps, and they are way too IRREGULAR. That meaning their distance spacing varies too much and they occur pretty randomly.

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