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41236 wrote:

-Hazelnut wrote:

Actually you will break the scoreboards because people will have an unfair advantage in getting a high score then before.
So all we can say is deal with it I guess.
So whenever a new better keyboard is made, the game is ruined?
People who are playing and will be playing ALL have that advantage so it's not unfair.
First of all, you completely misunderstood my post. If you're going to argue with people, at least understand what they're saying first.

Secondly, "So whenever a new better keyboard is made, the game is ruined?" I don't even know what you mean here. What does keyboard have anything to do with the scoring system?

Lastly, yeah of course everyone has the same advantage after you implement that system. Don't try to reply with a blatant answer. What I meant to say was people who already played the song before implementing the new hold system will have a disadvantage to people who play the same song after it gets implemented. Of course, there could be a way around this, I'm going to ask how.
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It's just that you suck and you need to git gud.

Releasing hold notes are logical in every way just like playing a musical instrument which is where the mania gameplay was based on.
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-Hazelnut wrote:

First of all, you completely misunderstood my post. If you're going to argue with people, at least understand what they're saying first.

Secondly, "So whenever a new better keyboard is made, the game is ruined?" I don't even know what you mean here. What does keyboard have anything to do with the scoring system?

Lastly, yeah of course everyone has the same advantage after you implement that system. Don't try to reply with a blatant answer. What I meant to say was people who already played the song before implementing the new hold system will have a disadvantage to people who play the same song after it gets implemented. Of course, there could be a way around this, I'm going to ask how.
Better keyboard = advantage
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41236 wrote:

Better keyboard = advantage
So is it on other modes and no one seems to bitch about it.

onehundred1 wrote:

It's just that you suck and you need to git gud.
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MillhioreF wrote:

It makes more rhythmical sense that way due to holding/releasing mattering on instruments, as previously stated. This has the side-effect of making certain slider patterns in autoconvert maps absolute garbage to play (since said maps are based around being able to hold sliders/spinners as long as you want) but that's what mania specific maps are for.
That's why you should start playing real maps that makes sense eg. mania specific maps. Stop bitching around and arguing pointlessly.
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I think it should be obvious what everyone here wants to tell you now.

Play this game more.

You're arguing about a game you never even played before.
I don't play standard mode for the first time and say "Seriously why do we even have sliders?"
That's just how the game is so just deal with it.
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on that note... if you are playing o!m maps that aren't o!m specific, you don't even have a right to post lol. the holds and releases make a lot more sense there than in the auto-generated beatmaps made by osu! itself.

Also, about the keyboard business, keyboards basically have no effect on o!m as long as they don't have serious problems with ghosting. Having mech keyboards mostly helps for stamina, which in rare cases are needed in o!m for the current maps that are out. Probably matters more with the more insane maps elsewhere, but right now o!m doesn't really have any around.

Lastly, I only brought standard up because there technically is a right way to play something, but other non-conventional methods do exist. The point here is that the hold notes are mapped to something, and the mapper used the hold slider so that it matches something in the music, and the player must abide to what the mapper wants. There are different ways to make it not as awkward and hard to release at the right time, but the mapper decides what he/she does. And anyway, you basically arguing with how a game works. Guitar hero has a very large hitbox for notes while rockband has a much smaller hitbox. If you don't like how rockband is so harsh, go play guitar hero. It's basically like that. If you seriously hate this release thing that much, you can try to find another game which does not have this or make your own. This isn't something that is objectively bad for a rhythm game.

Also imo, it adds an extra layer of depth to the game. And honestly, it's not that hard to release at the right time. You don't lose that much accuracy releasing at the wrong time.
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I can see how Wintersun would get SS'd by pretty much everyone lol.
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Read all the posts carefully and look at my profile before posting anything please
I'm not complaining about any avantage -Hazelnut said it first and I didn't bitch about how hard the game is either. You all can't say I suck because I've never played A SINGLE map. You all tell me to play more, well I want to but I CAN'T.
What I want to do is to make this game more logical. I'm not doing this because it makes the game easier for me you know?
Are you all trolling?
And I'm using my cell phone to post.
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Totally experienced enough to complain about the gameplay, brah.
We're caught guys. The whole long note system is stupid so we should totally change it to a very different system where i could hold the long notes as long as i want to. \:D/
Rejoice!
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No one's trying to troll you.
If you want to make this game more logical, listen to others and play this game more.
No one's going to listen to you seriously until you have at least 500 playcounts.
Since you can't play this game at the moment, you didn't need to bother making this thread. You should have made this thread after you started playing.
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Ok, this is coming from a guy who absolutely hates holds and hates how every mania map seems to mirror o2jam's style of having holds everywhere. If i still had the ability to lock threads I would do so here. 41236, you honestly aren't listening to the people who have already answered your question. If the main issue you are having comes from the release of a hold, keep in mind that if it wasn't made specifically for mania mode (meaning it was automatically converted from osu! mode, where the mechanic doesn't exist) then the release of said hold may come at an awkward time. Chalk it up to bad mapping.
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-Hazelnut wrote:

No one's trying to troll you.
If you want to make this game more logical, listen to others and play this game more.
No one's going to listen to you seriously until you have at least 500 playcounts.
Since you can't play this game at the moment, you didn't need to bother making this thread. You should have made this thread after you started playing.
Thanks but I already listen to others hundreds times more than believing in my own opinion.
I'll stop arguing here. That was all I have to say.
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Somebody call Locktav
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egas00 wrote:

hurr, that's make the game more boring, hold note is fun because like piano, you release when it's time to release,
no release time ? boring note, go die

it's just like you ask "Seriously why do we have to time the release of each hold breath" loljk
Most of you are unreasonable just like this guy.
I've said pretty clearly, read all my posts above and realize it.
For those who really like timing the releases, adding this would be logically correct and make the game HARDER: releasing individual notes with perfect timing ->which means you can't really hold them. When playing piano, you can't really hold those notes either so it'd be more logical, isn't it? Do you think it would be more fun?
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Cyclone wrote:

If i still had the ability to lock threads I would do so here.
Please find someone who can lock these kind of threads. It's so frustrating not being able to do anything about these threads.
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Bobbias wrote:

Cyclone wrote:

If i still had the ability to lock threads I would do so here.
Please find someone who can lock these kind of threads. It's so frustrating not being able to do anything about these threads.
Fine, just run away from the matter and keep this one of your o2jam games
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41236 wrote:

or maybe I'm an extreme case of OCD and autism
You're implying it's just YOU who got this ;)

41236 wrote:

Better keyboard = advantage
hello ~ I'm the guy who have $3 ... no $1.5 keyboard from 2002 ~ and I HATE MECHANICAL KEYBOARD ~ too :3

41236 wrote:

egas00 wrote:

hurr, that's make the game more boring, hold note is fun because like piano, you release when it's time to release,
no release time ? boring note, go die

it's just like you ask "Seriously why do we have to time the release of each hold breath" loljk
Most of you are unreasonable just like this guy.
I've said pretty clearly, read all my posts above and realize it.
For those who really like timing the releases, adding this would be logically correct and make the game HARDER: releasing individual notes with perfect timing ->which means you can't really hold them. When playing piano, you can't really hold those notes either so it'd be more logical, isn't it? Do you think it would be more fun?
hello ~ I'm the one who play piano and play clasiccal ~ not to mention I love jazz too ~

yes it'll be fun, but ~ it'll be a boring game, you don't like it ?? aww... just make your own game or play other game that's fit you, (I'm doing that everytime and not complaining), clearly your reason is strong and good, but not logical enough >:(

adding this would be logically correct and make the game HARDER ? how can you call it harder when you just hold 7K and just release it when the other note comes up ? I'm actually doing that and it sucks..
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Again, explain us HOW it is more logical?

When playing piano, you can't really hold those notes either so it'd be more logical, isn't it?
Have you even ever played piano or any other music instrument? (Except stuff like drums and xylophones as those cant play long notes.)

Why is it more logical to not have to follow the notes as they are written (or mapped in this case)?
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I thought mania was based off IIDX (at least, peppy said so in the recent event), and in IIDX, you need to let go of hold notes on time.

So it makes sense to have it here too?
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I wanted to make o!m better at first, now I hope it keeps this system forever and continues to be this generation's o2jam.
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