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Kinshara
Hi

Just some metadata mod here (No Kudosu please):

General

Japanese Title: てんしょう しょうてんしょう
Tags: Add Hatsune Miku

Difficulty names

Standard: I suggest having only "Reincarnation" in the name because "Ascension Reincarnation" is too long and the song is mainly about reincarnation. Also, reincarnation implies ascension in a way (being reborn after dying).

Taiko: Maybe DolphInner Oni...? Hah...ha....k bai

Tips for Standard map
  1. Don't rely too much on distance snap. Distance snap limits creativity. Also, Add some more jumps to emphasize certain strong beats. Jumps can make the map more fun too.
  2. Keep checking AI Mod (Ctrl+Shift+A)
  3. Try to pick combo colors that match the background
  4. I would decrase HP by 1 or 0.5. This is because there are lots of slider velocity changes. People will lose quite a big chunk of HP because they might not see many of them coming.
  5. Don't use normal whistles (and normal sampleset in general) in the calm parts of the music, such as after 00:26:982 . The normal whistles are really annoying and don't fit with the music.
  6. Execute patterns correctly/ cleanly. 00:25:746 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - imo, would look a LOT better if it was a perfect, or close to perfect, star pattern.
Good luck :3

Also, props for being able to map such a hard song \o/
Dolphin

Kinshara wrote:

Taiko: Maybe DolphInner Oni...? Hah...ha....k bai
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTT i cringed so hard.

"Donphin" is a far more suitable pun lol
Topic Starter
Squigly

Kinshara wrote:

Hi

Just some metadata mod here (No Kudosu please):

General

Japanese Title: てんしょう しょうてんしょう
Tags: Add Hatsune Miku

Difficulty names

Standard: I suggest having only "Reincarnation" in the name because "Ascension Reincarnation" is too long and the song is mainly about reincarnation. Also, reincarnation implies ascension in a way (being reborn after dying).

Taiko: Maybe DolphInner Oni...? Hah...ha....k bai

Tips for Standard map
  1. Don't rely too much on distance snap. Distance snap limits creativity. Also, Add some more jumps to emphasize certain strong beats. Jumps can make the map more fun too.
  2. Keep checking AI Mod (Ctrl+Shift+A)
  3. Try to pick combo colors that match the background
  4. I would decrase HP by 1 or 0.5. This is because there are lots of slider velocity changes. People will lose quite a big chunk of HP because they might not see many of them coming.
  5. Don't use normal whistles (and normal sampleset in general) in the calm parts of the music, such as after 00:26:982 . The normal whistles are really annoying and don't fit with the music.
  6. Execute patterns correctly/ cleanly. 00:25:746 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - imo, would look a LOT better if it was a perfect, or close to perfect, star pattern.
Good luck :3

Also, props for being able to map such a hard song \o/
Nvm something weird happened*. :)
Dolphin

Squigly wrote:

It appears i gave kudosu because im retarded


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Topic Starter
Squigly

Dolphin wrote:

Squigly wrote:

It appears i gave kudosu because im retarded


?
I am actually rather confused as well...i very much did click it. Oh well!
Zare
Welp.

Ascension Reincarnation



  1. 00:10:041 (1) - my initial thought was to change this slider into 2 circle, simply to emphasize that the drums are kicking in and it would also raise the attention on the vocals on the next slider
  2. 00:15:688 until 00:26:982 - i don't like your shapes and angles in this section. Yes, the spacing stays the same, but angles like 00:17:629 (9,10) - are much cleaner and simpler to play than stuff like 00:23:982 (13,1), which is a really sharp back-and-forth movement. Overall it feels like this was all just more or less randomly placed with only distance snap in mind. Consider that distance isn't the only thing that has influence on how objects feel. Additionally, the occasional stacks add weird stops that don't go well with the songs.
  3. 00:32:629 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - for patterns like this, you could just use the "Create Polygon Circle" tool to achieve a much cleaner image.
  4. 00:36:864 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I've already talked to you about this in IRC. Try the follwing snaps, it's probably the best you can get out of this part. (1-6 is 1/6, 7 is on 1/12, the rest are on 1/8 or even 1/16. Make sure to use sliders because no one could play this accurately lol
  5. 00:38:276 (1) - this applies to the whole map in general: wub sliders that end before the next beat would sound better if the tail was silenced or at least lowered in volume.
  6. 00:41:805 (3) - have this end on the white tick and add a new slider at the blue tick, where this one currently ends? would fit the ... sound, better
  7. 00:43:217 (6,7,8) - I'd like to see these seperated from the previous objects in the same combo, the tone they're mapped on slightly changes and it feels weird to just treat them the same as as before. You could put a NC and/or display them differently by making them straight or changing the angle/spacing to accentuate them. This is also a repeated thing throughout the map, so maybe you can just add NCs at these spots
  8. 00:51:688 (1,2,3) - snapped incorrectly: 2 should be on the white tick here and 3 would be perfect on the yellow tick at 00:52:261. I suggest to delete 3 and make 2 end on that yellow tick, you can't expect people to read 1/8 snaps. You can then add an object on the downbeat at 00:52:393. This makes sense anyway, it's a very dominant beat after all
  9. 00:53:041 (5) - at this point you could improve readability if you deleted 5 and 6 and placed a 1/6 with a reverse arrow on 00:53:099. Would then look like this:
  10. 00:55:923 (1,2,3,4) - just for clarification: why are all these 1/3?
  11. 00:58:923 (1,1) - get rid of one of the NCs here
  12. 01:00:158 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - this is seriously too hard compared to the rest of the map, it's effectively 255 BPM streaming. Reduce the amount if consecutive circles to 3 instead of 6, then add a slider with a single reverse on 01:00:335 . Also consider compressing the the srteam more so it won't be mistaken for 1/4
  13. 01:02:452 (1) - Remove this NC, it doesn't really serve a purpose
  14. 01:13:727 (2) - really unfitting slider, ends on string drum beat and strong vocals, so you might want ro remove this from here and place a slider at
    01:13:550 - or 01:13:903 - to have it more fitting.
  15. 01:14:433 (5) - same issue as above
  16. 01:18:556 (6) - ^
  17. 01:19:212 (2) - ^ etc.
  18. 01:29:226 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Nope. Way too hard when put into perspective. A lot(!!) of players that would pass the map easily would fail here or break combo. Not only is it a rather long 220 BPM stream, but it's also rather widely spaced with empasis on the strong beats.
    Reduce the spacing, add (reverse-)sliders. Keep it reasonable.
  19. 01:30:589 (1) - and while we're at it, don't use a 1/4 slider with a single reverse in 4/4 streams, because this would land on the red tick and then the next circle is on the blue tick. this pretty much switches the entire focus of the stream and confuses the player. Add a reverse arrow, the slider will then cover a 4 1/4 ticks and the next circle will land on a white tick, starting a new 1/4 rhythm. it feels mroe natural and is easier to understand.
  20. 01:34:271 (6) - this should be snapped on 01:34:305 -
  21. 01:34:680 (2) - make this end on 01:34:851 - and delete 01:34:885 (3), it's overmapped.
  22. 01:36:044 (1,1,2) -
  23. 01:38:226 (1) - more fitting rhythm for the measure starting here:
  24. 01:49:589 (2,3,4,5) - this is actually pretty cool
  25. 01:52:135 (4) - make this end on 01:52:305 -
  26. 01:53:203 (8) - why isn't this snapped on the white tick? It should be
  27. 01:53:942 (2,3) - and these should both be snapped 1/8 later
  28. 01:54:589 (5) - excuse me but this one just doesn't look good, visually. Try to make the curves mor clean and less crunched
  29. 02:04:953 (2) - the problem with kicksliders like this is that you can't hit them late, because that will instantly result in a sliderbreak. At least make this 1/8 slider instead of 1/16.
  30. 02:10:764 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - same issue as the beginning, there seems to be no thoughts behind these shapes and movements. Try to get some structure in here, use sliderpairings by mirroring them, or use symmetrical patterns (that don't mess with the spacing ofc) or other stuff that seems less random.
  31. 02:34:903 - why do you just skip the white tick here? there's vocals that want to be mapped
  32. 02:36:315 (1) - delete NC, also,I would map this one as two circles on the white and red tick here to fit the vocals.
  33. 02:40:727 (1,2) - swap NC? because of what I explained earlier in the first part.
  34. 02:47:139 (3) - this one ending on a strong downbeat feels really wrong, try to shorten the slider and add something on the downbeat
  35. 02:47:962 (1) - why these NCs again
  36. 02:49:374 (8) - add NC here
  37. 02:50:962 (1,1) - remove both NCs here
  38. 02:52:903 (6) - same issue about supershort kicksliders as before, make this a tad longer
  39. 02:53:609 (1) - i can understand this NC here because it's on a rather strong vocalish change but why 02:53:786 (1,1) - these too? get rid of them
  40. 02:55:021 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - same as the other 1/6 stream i addressed
  41. 02:58:197 (4) - add NC
  42. 02:57:491 (2) - slider too short
  43. 03:00:668 (6) - you might want a NC here
  44. 03:16:889 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - yep, this is way too hard again
  45. 03:18:809 (1) - too short, it also has one reverse arrow too much.
  46. 03:22:626 (5) - consider a NC here
  47. 03:29:717 (1) - remove NC
  48. 03:30:399 (2) - shouldn't this be 1/6?
  49. 03:33:717 (7) - exchange this with a circle and add a slider on 03:33:808 - simpyl to go with the vocals better
  50. 03:34:626 (1) - repeated issue with the kickslider
  51. 03:51:675 (2) - ^
  52. 05:02:955 (1,2) - unfitting sliders, make them both have 2 reverses to fit the rhythm.
  53. 05:03:364 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - stream is too long and could use some NCs
  54. 05:04:864 (1) - I'd say this kickslider is actually okay because it's emphsaizing the distorted sounds so well
  55. 05:11:954 (1,2) - this slowdown is a little awkward, the song doesn't really suggest it imo. You didn't use slowdowns like this in other parts where this sound is used, either.
  56. 05:21:312 (1) - remove NC
  57. 05:22:819 (3) - for correct snap, place on 05:22:819 -
  58. 05:23:629 (2) - this would feel better if it was snapped on 05:23:629 -
  59. 05:31:747 (1) - make 1/8
  60. 05:43:041 (4) - ^
Okay so. Let me get this clear, after checking through this in its entirety: It's not ready for rank. I has to focus on so many different things, I'm bound to have missed issues, even majore ones. New Comboing, Rhythms, correct beat snapping. Tbh I couldn't even pay a lot of attention to the spacing.
You have a few nice ideas that would also go well with the song, but placement seems poor at times. It's also inconsistent. And, what's kind of the most important thing.
It's not hitsounded. Hitsounds are required for anything that's supposed to be ranked, so you better get on with that.

I strongly advice to get a bunch of mods more before attempting to get a Bubble, preferably from modders that pay attention to more than just the surface.

That being said, this is not necessarily a bad map. It's very interesting to play, and if it gets a bit more cleaned up and polished with proper hitsounding, it can be great.
Dolphin
hi zare :*
Topic Starter
Squigly

Zare wrote:

Welp.

Ascension Reincarnation



  1. 00:10:041 (1) - my initial thought was to change this slider into 2 circle, simply to emphasize that the drums are kicking in and it would also raise the attention on the vocals on the next slider the whole map is not about vocals except when there is nothing else so i focused on the increasing and decreasing sounds of the strings, mapping the sliders up and down rather instead of mapping into the other beats.
  2. 00:15:688 until 00:26:982 - i don't like your shapes and angles in this section. Yes, the spacing stays the same, but angles like 00:17:629 (9,10) - are much cleaner and simpler to play than stuff like 00:23:982 (13,1), which is a really sharp back-and-forth movement. Overall it feels like this was all just more or less randomly placed with only distance snap in mind. Consider that distance isn't the only thing that has influence on how objects feel. Additionally, the occasional stacks add weird stops that don't go well with the songs. the sliders are matched with the strings while i stack similar drum sounds and space the ones that differ ever so slightly, though it can be argued
  3. 00:32:629 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - for patterns like this, you could just use the "Create Polygon Circle" tool to achieve a much cleaner image. i think i tried but couldnt get it to work ill try again <:
  4. 00:36:864 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I've already talked to you about this in IRC. Try the follwing snaps, it's probably the best you can get out of this part. (1-6 is 1/6, 7 is on 1/12, the rest are on 1/8 or even 1/16. Make sure to use sliders because no one could play this accurately lol fixed, i hope its better, its a tricky section S:
  5. 00:38:276 (1) - this applies to the whole map in general: wub sliders that end before the next beat would sound better if the tail was silenced or at least lowered in volume. i will do this <:
  6. 00:41:805 (3) - have this end on the white tick and add a new slider at the blue tick, where this one currently ends? would fit the ... sound, better ill keep this in mind
  7. 00:43:217 (6,7,8) - I'd like to see these seperated from the previous objects in the same combo, the tone they're mapped on slightly changes and it feels weird to just treat them the same as as before. You could put a NC and/or display them differently by making them straight or changing the angle/spacing to accentuate them. This is also a repeated thing throughout the map, so maybe you can just add NCs at these spots i do change the angle and spacing to make the changes more noticable i did it for all these sections that are alike but ill nc them
  8. 00:51:688 (1,2,3) - snapped incorrectly: 2 should be on the white tick here and 3 would be perfect on the yellow tick at 00:52:261. I suggest to delete 3 and make 2 end on that yellow tick, you can't expect people to read 1/8 snaps. You can then add an object on the downbeat at 00:52:393. This makes sense anyway, it's a very dominant beat after all i actually disagree with this, i think its fine and with the millions of testplays ive gotten people play it perfect.
  9. 00:53:041 (5) - at this point you could improve readability if you deleted 5 and 6 and placed a 1/6 with a reverse arrow on 00:53:099. Would then look like this: this aint no insane V: extra for a reason
  10. 00:55:923 (1,2,3,4) - just for clarification: why are all these 1/3? they end on 1/3
  11. 00:58:923 (1,1) - get rid of one of the NCs here shouldnt it be fine? it is abiding by the rules i though S:
  12. 01:00:158 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - this is seriously too hard compared to the rest of the map, it's effectively 255 BPM streaming. Reduce the amount if consecutive circles to 3 instead of 6, then add a slider with a single reverse on 01:00:335 . Also consider compressing the the srteam more so it won't be mistaken for 1/4 i dont think it can really be helped i think its more or less better this way
  13. 01:02:452 (1) - Remove this NC, it doesn't really serve a purpose ok c:
  14. 01:13:727 (2) - really unfitting slider, ends on string drum beat and strong vocals, so you might want ro remove this from here and place a slider at
    01:13:550 - or 01:13:903 - to have it more fitting. i didnt do vocals i did sliders and mini jump for the noticeable beats c:
  15. 01:14:433 (5) - same issue as above
  16. 01:18:556 (6) - ^
  17. 01:19:212 (2) - ^ etc.
  18. 01:29:226 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Nope. Way too hard when put into perspective. A lot(!!) of players that would pass the map easily would fail here or break combo. Not only is it a rather long 220 BPM stream, but it's also rather widely spaced with empasis on the strong beats.
    Reduce the spacing, add (reverse-)sliders. Keep it reasonable. but.....its my extra marathon V; i rather love this section
  19. 01:30:589 (1) - and while we're at it, don't use a 1/4 slider with a single reverse in 4/4 streams, because this would land on the red tick and then the next circle is on the blue tick. this pretty much switches the entire focus of the stream and confuses the player. Add a reverse arrow, the slider will then cover a 4 1/4 ticks and the next circle will land on a white tick, starting a new 1/4 rhythm. it feels mroe natural and is easier to understand. ive seen it played fine and not but for now i would like to atleast keep this general section.
  20. 01:34:271 (6) - this should be snapped on 01:34:305 - nice
  21. 01:34:680 (2) - make this end on 01:34:851 - and delete 01:34:885 (3), it's overmapped. changed a bit
  22. 01:36:044 (1,1,2) -
  23. 01:38:226 (1) - more fitting rhythm for the measure starting here: nuh
  24. 01:49:589 (2,3,4,5) - this is actually pretty cool ;D
  25. 01:52:135 (4) - make this end on 01:52:305 - nice catch
  26. 01:53:203 (8) - why isn't this snapped on the white tick? It should be fixed
  27. 01:53:942 (2,3) - and these should both be snapped 1/8 later done and done
  28. 01:54:589 (5) - excuse me but this one just doesn't look good, visually. Try to make the curves mor clean and less crunched i dont know why i left it like that to begin with LOL
  29. 02:04:953 (2) - the problem with kicksliders like this is that you can't hit them late, because that will instantly result in a sliderbreak. At least make this 1/8 slider instead of 1/16. owo
  30. 02:10:764 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - same issue as the beginning, there seems to be no thoughts behind these shapes and movements. Try to get some structure in here, use sliderpairings by mirroring them, or use symmetrical patterns (that don't mess with the spacing ofc) or other stuff that seems less random. well, the thought behind these is to move up or down with the music not so much make it look symetrical
  31. 02:34:903 - why do you just skip the white tick here? there's vocals that want to be mapped never mapped to vocals
  32. 02:36:315 (1) - delete NC, also,I would map this one as two circles on the white and red tick here to fit the vocals. done
  33. 02:40:727 (1,2) - swap NC? because of what I explained earlier in the first part. not seeing the problem here
  34. 02:47:139 (3) - this one ending on a strong downbeat feels really wrong, try to shorten the slider and add something on the downbeat i like it c:
  35. 02:47:962 (1) - why these NCs again sv changes? i would think i would need to here S:
  36. 02:49:374 (8) - add NC here changed a bit
  37. 02:50:962 (1,1) - remove both NCs here pretty colors
  38. 02:52:903 (6) - same issue about supershort kicksliders as before, make this a tad longer thats half the fun of the map though ;D
  39. 02:53:609 (1) - i can understand this NC here because it's on a rather strong vocalish change but why 02:53:786 (1,1) - these too? get rid of them v:
  40. 02:55:021 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - same as the other 1/6 stream i addressed iz gud
  41. 02:58:197 (4) - add NC k
  42. 02:57:491 (2) - slider too short it plays like a regular note
  43. 03:00:668 (6) - you might want a NC here did et
  44. 03:16:889 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - yep, this is way too hard again ive never had problems here unless people cant stream it, im not making my extra easier for people who cant stream
  45. 03:18:809 (1) - too short, it also has one reverse arrow too much. took away the 1 reverse, but i keep it ;v
  46. 03:22:626 (5) - consider a NC here ye
  47. 03:29:717 (1) - remove NC i think it makes sense, it gets quite a bit slower
  48. 03:30:399 (2) - shouldn't this be 1/6? indeedly do
  49. 03:33:717 (7) - exchange this with a circle and add a slider on 03:33:808 - simpyl to go with the vocals better but what i mapped goes with the music better
  50. 03:34:626 (1) - repeated issue with the kickslider looks gud
  51. 03:51:675 (2) - ^
  52. 05:02:955 (1,2) - unfitting sliders, make them both have 2 reverses to fit the rhythm. i hope i made it better, its an awkward part to map
  53. 05:03:364 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - stream is too long and could use some NCs :D
  54. 05:04:864 (1) - I'd say this kickslider is actually okay because it's emphsaizing the distorted sounds so well ;D
  55. 05:11:954 (1,2) - this slowdown is a little awkward, the song doesn't really suggest it imo. You didn't use slowdowns like this in other parts where this sound is used, either. in my opinion the sounds expressed represent more of a slower section
  56. 05:21:312 (1) - remove NC its much slower though V;
  57. 05:22:819 (3) - for correct snap, place on 05:22:819 - done did it
  58. 05:23:629 (2) - this would feel better if it was snapped on 05:23:629 - changed some
  59. 05:31:747 (1) - make 1/8 changed
  60. 05:43:041 (4) - ^
Okay so. Let me get this clear, after checking through this in its entirety: It's not ready for rank. I has to focus on so many different things, I'm bound to have missed issues, even majore ones. New Comboing, Rhythms, correct beat snapping. Tbh I couldn't even pay a lot of attention to the spacing.
You have a few nice ideas that would also go well with the song, but placement seems poor at times. It's also inconsistent. And, what's kind of the most important thing.
It's not hitsounded. Hitsounds are required for anything that's supposed to be ranked, so you better get on with that.

I strongly advice to get a bunch of mods more before attempting to get a Bubble, preferably from modders that pay attention to more than just the surface.

That being said, this is not necessarily a bad map. It's very interesting to play, and if it gets a bit more cleaned up and polished with proper hitsounding, it can be great.
thanks for the great mod c;

it appears i changed my color purple a bit oh well
ill do some of the hitsounding another time
Kynan
This map is pure art ! Well done <3

ps : pls nerf stream patterns pls it kills people, me included ;w;
Dolphin
who do we listen to?
the players or the mappers?

this is an ethical question that needs to be answered.
should the players decide if the map is fun and playable, if it's challenging or too easy?
or should the experienced mappers do so?

:O

#gettingrealtiredofyourshitdolphin
Zare
as a player
and a mapper

these streams are too hard.
I have no problems with hard maps (Snow Note is one of my favourite mappers ever), but this specific map is relatively easy up until these streams kick in and kill 90% of all the players that would pass the map otherwise. This is not a good design choice. You're creating something for players to play, not for players to die on.

additionally, not every slider velocity change warrants a NC. It might be a nice feature when the change is really extreme and when it's combined with an extra combo color just for that slider speed, but in your case, you did neither use the SV changes nor the NCs consistently.
Kynan
The stream patterns are kinda hard, but even on HR I managed to S the map (silly sliderbreak nvm) with 95%. As for the sliders, I don't find them hard to read at all, the SV changes fit the song, and even on AR9 sightread (which I suck at) I didn't get sliderbreaks.
Topic Starter
Squigly

Zare wrote:

as a player
and a mapper

these streams are too hard.
I have no problems with hard maps (Snow Note is one of my favourite mappers ever), but this specific map is relatively easy up until these streams kick in and kill 90% of all the players that would pass the map otherwise. This is not a good design choice. You're creating something for players to play, not for players to die on.

additionally, not every slider velocity change warrants a NC. It might be a nice feature when the change is really extreme and when it's combined with an extra combo color just for that slider speed, but in your case, you did neither use the SV changes nor the NCs consistently.
i do understand they are hard but its a huge point in the map, rather, a buildup, its supposed to be majorly hard and its another reason i chose it. I cant just make it easier for the players when i feel the map calls for something completely different. Its one thing that i would love to keep even if it is very hard as opposed to the rest of the map. And dont get my wrong i really do respect your opinion and ill mull over the thought of simplifying the map at those points but for now i have a special place for those streams in my heart c:
silmarilen
the problem for me is not so much the speed or the length of the streams, but the shape. especially the one at 03:16:998
it's fine that you want to do those sudden direction changes because of the bass in the music, but i think this is too extreme.
Topic Starter
Squigly

silmarilen wrote:

the problem for me is not so much the speed or the length of the streams, but the shape. especially the one at 03:16:998
it's fine that you want to do those sudden direction changes because of the bass in the music, but i think this is too extreme.
i actually might just change that one, make it a little less of a direction change, but at the same time, you move your mouse less for that one than you do for the first. but more than likely ill tweak that one a bit. (:
Kynan
The second one is way more OP in terms of direction changes IMO, but still doable, hardly on sightread though...
Dolphin
I'll just say this.

Everyone of experience should have their opinions valued at a certain degree.
However, if you need feedback on how a map plays out, experienced players are definitively a better source than simply experienced mappers.
If they're a combination of the two then it's even better.
Experienced players can certainly find issues in how a map plays out, what's sightreadable etc.
Mappers however are able to make the map look nicer and more appealing, which is a more artsy thing to do but is still a fairly important part of the map. They can also identify what kind of patterns suit the music. Not saying experienced players are not able to do this but this is the "main feature" of an experienced mapper imo.

Also flow is a term that's pretty shit because its subjective. Don't use it unless you're like #50

I'm not putting dirt on anyone, really, but the kind of person we should rely on definitely depends on the situation.

Honestly I think my taiko looks really dumb and shit. It doesn't LOOK fun to play, but it certainly is, and it feels rewarding to FC. That's more important to me!

But everyone knew this already, right??
KSHR
no kds


Artist: きくお
Romanized^: Kikuo
Title: てんしょう しょうてんしょう
Romanized^: Ten Sho Sho Ten Sho


This romanized title is against the rule about the way of romanization that was recently moved to the Rules category, but I found a source that says it's correct on Kikuo's facebook. Therefore we should respect and use it in the romanized title field.
Topic Starter
Squigly

KSHR wrote:

no kds


Artist: きくお
Romanized^: Kikuo
Title: てんしょう しょうてんしょう
Romanized^: Ten Sho Sho Ten Sho


This romanized title is against the rule about the way of romanization that was recently moved to the Rules category, but I found a source that says it's correct on Kikuo's facebook. Therefore we should respect and use it in the romanized title field.
thank you so much for your help c:
verto
Finally someone mapped Kikuo, gotta give you a star for that
Dainesl
Please also use the Japanese title in Dolphin's Inner Oni; it's currently conflicting because you have no Japanese title in there.
Topic Starter
Squigly

Dainesl wrote:

Please also use the Japanese title in Dolphin's Inner Oni; it's currently conflicting because you have no Japanese title in there.
oh woops, i always forget about that S:
electrolytes
So I love the way you've mapped the dubstep parts, but I agree with the others about the full-measure 220bpm streams. You need to figure out some way to decrease the difficulty there while maintaining the intensity of the map. I'm around rank 29000 right now and can pass the other parts of the map fairly easily, but those streams have players like Kynan, in the top 50, saying they kill. That is an enormous difficulty spike. In a ranked scenario, there'd be a whole lot of players enjoying the map up to that point, then insta-failing.
Kynan

electrolytes wrote:

players enjoying the map up to that point, then insta-failing.
YEAH RIGHT ! /caps
Nah but this kind of directions changes fit the song, but are definitely too hard compared to the rest of the map...
Topic Starter
Squigly

electrolytes wrote:

So I love the way you've mapped the dubstep parts, but I agree with the others about the full-measure 220bpm streams. You need to figure out some way to decrease the difficulty there while maintaining the intensity of the map. I'm around rank 29000 right now and can pass the other parts of the map fairly easily, but those streams have players like Kynan, in the top 50, saying they kill. That is an enormous difficulty spike. In a ranked scenario, there'd be a whole lot of players enjoying the map up to that point, then insta-failing.
i cant say i dont agree with you, but its simply something that i feel needs to stay, i always think of how i can make it easier but i dont make the song and just making it into repeating sliders is mega boring, this adds an extra difficulty to it, not to mention its actually rather fun atleast in my opinion S: i know 220 bpm is a bit much but not to say it isnt doable, i mean if you look at the very beginning axarious was rank 1k and fced the map with fairly good accuracy so it isnt impossible its just rather hard. and to be honest i am not big on the idea of making things easier for the players that cant do it though im glad you like the map and can play it i cant just make those streams a lower bpm or rather decrease the difficulty with sliders it just takes away the feeling and epicness that i have tried to bring to the talbe. It has a buildup for a reason, its to get to those intense parts!

kynan actually does great on them nearly everytime so i dunno what he sayin >W>

im all up for people suggesting how you would rather see these hard sections changed but dont expect me to absolutely love it >: i truly do think these streams are rather important.

i hope none of you take it the wrong way that i feel so strongly about keeping these streams ):
Kynan

Squigly wrote:

electrolytes wrote:

kynan actually does great on them nearly everytime so i dunno what he sayin >W>
Nearly everytime huh... Yeah well it's fine for me, actually my problem is more in that 1/16 slider just after the stream... Remember my calculation on how nearly impossible it was to get a 300 on this with HR ? It fits the song but it's damn OP ! xD
And about that stream pattern, it's "fine" for me but it takes some tries if you're not used to that kind of stuff...
And still the only reason I didn't clear it on DT... damn you Squigly :<
Topic Starter
Squigly
dont worry i have been thinking of ways to make it better, for now jesus1412 told me to make it a bit more spaced from the stream so that way it flowed better
RandF
From my queue~

[General]
  1. tags suggetion:
    vocaloid
    hatsune miku
    DubSteloid
  2. remove "kikuo" from tags. it's already written in airtist
[Ascension Reincarnation]
  1. 00:41:805 (3) - end at 00:42:158- . or how about this?
  2. 00:52:746 (4) - NC?
  3. 00:59:452 (3) - ^
  4. 01:42:726 (4) - out of play-field
  5. 01:55:135 (6) - ^
  6. 01:48:862 (3) - I prefer slider: 01:48:862~01:48:930
  7. 02:01:305 (6) - end at 02:01:680
  8. 02:10:253 (8,9) - I prefer not to stack
  9. 02:59:668 (5) - object isn't snapped!
  10. 03:02:433- add a note
there are many timing points and SV changings in this map. Nevertheless, your rhythm coodination is very nice!!!
although I couldn't clear, it really moved me :) :) :)
star for you ~☆
~Good Luck~
Topic Starter
Squigly

RandomEffect wrote:

From my queue~

[General]
  1. tags suggetion:
    vocaloid
    hatsune miku
    DubSteloid
  2. remove "kikuo" from tags. it's already written in airtist
[Ascension Reincarnation]
  1. 00:41:805 (3) - end at 00:42:158- . or how about this? the release of the note is on the blue tick if anything i should change it to add another slider but im keeping it the way it is
  2. 00:52:746 (4) - NC? i dont think it really calls for one there
  3. 00:59:452 (3) - ^ ok
  4. 01:42:726 (4) - out of play-field if im not mistaken things can be out of the square a bit and still be in the playing field
  5. 01:55:135 (6) - ^
  6. 01:48:862 (3) - I prefer slider: 01:48:862~01:48:930 its basically just white noise that is dissipating after a big hit so keeping it just like that is fine, plus it stays consistent to the other parts similar to this
  7. 02:01:305 (6) - end at 02:01:680 i put it on the 1/16 purple tick nice catch
  8. 02:10:253 (8,9) - I prefer not to stack i do believe its fine, people just shouldnt over react when they see it, its just a small slider is all
  9. 02:59:668 (5) - object isn't snapped! thank you i dont see how i keep having un snapped objects S: quite silly of me
  10. 03:02:433- add a note i repeated the slider v:
there are many timing points and SV changings in this map. Nevertheless, your rhythm coodination is very nice!!!
although I couldn't clear, it really moved me :) :) :)
star for you ~☆
~Good Luck~
thanks for you mod and star :)
TicClick
So this is my presonal opinion, which you may find very subjective: I would stay away from the map.

Why?
  1. The beginning has tons of the same sliders rotated by random angles (they may look logical enough for each pair of two adjacent sliders, but the whole pattern, for example, 00:07:217 (1,2,3,4) - or 00:08:629 (1,2,3,4) - , looks random). Then it gets only worse, because you love to use the same curve, slightly altering it and putting many sliders of the same type in a row. I mean, that wouldn't be this bad, if the whole map didn't consist solely of these sliders.
  2. Your patterns need polishing. As said above, the sliders look randomly placed and don't fit each other (example, moved all three to the same starting point and removed a note or 2 inbetween: http://puu.sh/btgvV/9454816761.jpg)
  3. The movement also seems to be random sometimes; some of your jumps, such as 00:21:335 (1,2,3,4) - , or
  4. The whistling and wobbling sounds you mapped caused your sliders to both look and play random. You can say they follow the music, and yes, they do, but asdflujksdfa;uilsfdgbn,sdfgbn,mfdsgbn,dsfg oh well there goes my bitching about patterns and their appearance (removed a couple of ssentences each of which had the word "random")
In fact, there are a few of patterns I enjoyed to look at, but they're quite rare. For example, 01:49:135 (1,2,3,4,5) - or the whole part between 04:24:230 and 05:04:864, but only because of extremely low note density (you can observe very few objects at the same time). And again, things like 02:10:764 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - kill even this little bit of charm your map has. It's not even about the pattern itself, it's more about how frequently you use it and how messy it looks due to angle and spacing difference. And this is only one of the things I am unhappy with.

Sorry for disappointing, if anything has hit you, but I don't like it.

Before you ask, yes, I went through the whole map and didn't change my view for a second.
Topic Starter
Squigly

TicClick wrote:

So this is my presonal opinion, which you may find very subjective: I would stay away from the map.

Why?
  1. The beginning has tons of the same sliders rotated by random angles (they may look logical enough for each pair of two adjacent sliders, but the whole pattern, for example, 00:07:217 (1,2,3,4) - or 00:08:629 (1,2,3,4) - , looks random). Then it gets only worse, because you love to use the same curve, slightly altering it and putting many sliders of the same type in a row. I mean, that wouldn't be this bad, if the whole map didn't consist solely of these sliders.
  2. Your patterns need polishing. As said above, the sliders look randomly placed and don't fit each other (example, moved all three to the same starting point and removed a note or 2 inbetween: http://puu.sh/btgvV/9454816761.jpg)
  3. The movement also seems to be random sometimes; some of your jumps, such as 00:21:335 (1,2,3,4) - , or
  4. The whistling and wobbling sounds you mapped caused your sliders to both look and play random. You can say they follow the music, and yes, they do, but asdflujksdfa;uilsfdgbn,sdfgbn,mfdsgbn,dsfg oh well there goes my bitching about patterns and their appearance (removed a couple of ssentences each of which had the word "random")
In fact, there are a few of patterns I enjoyed to look at, but they're quite rare. For example, 01:49:135 (1,2,3,4,5) - or the whole part between 04:24:230 and 05:04:864, but only because of extremely low note density (you can observe very few objects at the same time). And again, things like 02:10:764 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - kill even this little bit of charm your map has. It's not even about the pattern itself, it's more about how frequently you use it and how messy it looks due to angle and spacing difference. And this is only one of the things I am unhappy with.

Sorry for disappointing, if anything has hit you, but I don't like it.

Before you ask, yes, I went through the whole map and didn't change my view for a second.
an opinion is an opinion and thats all i asked for, so thank you for the time you spent. im not going to spend the time to clarify my thoughts because it wouldnt look very good on my part but regardless ill be taking everything into consideration so thank you once again c:

but honestly the one thing i will say is those string sections that look messy were intentional though i do completely understand not liking them
Sognux
Sorry but i literally can't mod this song :S
Topic Starter
Squigly

Sognux wrote:

Sorry but i literally can't mod this song :S
thats fine, i cant find mods for it, i just had to try at the very least yeah? c:
Koiyuki


From my queue of Normal Mod]

  1. Grey——Just some complaints.
  2. Black——My personal suggestions.
  3. Bold——Highly recommended.
  4. Red——(Maybe) Unrankable, you have to fix it.

[General]
  1. Necessary to add 'Hatsune miku' in tags.
  2. Inconsistency in uninherited (red) timing sections in two diffs.
  3. Inconsistency in LetterboxInBreaks
  4. Inconsistency in Tags: The capital character should also keep the same.

[Ascension Reincarnation]
  1. Your first timing point maybe wrong. The beginning of the strongest beat should be on the first white line. Maybe you need to set it on offset -548.
  2. 00:05:099 (2) - whistle?
  3. 00:05:452 (3) - whistle on the head.
  4. 00:05:805 (4) - whi
  5. 00:06:158 (5,6,7) - all whi, that fits the music
  6. 00:10:041 (1,2,3,4) - all whi on the head
  7. 00:11:452 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - whi on the same place as ^
  8. 00:12:864 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - ^
  9. 00:14:981 (3) - repeat: remove the soft addition; and tail: normal sampleset and clap more fitter than soft finish here
  10. 00:15:511 (4) - what does the soft addition mean? also normal clap here
  11. 00:16:040 (2) - finish sounds weird, change to normal sampleset and clap
  12. 00:16:393 (4,5) - all these finishes sounds too much for the song, I recommend to change them all to normal clap. Also to the following patterns.
  13. 00:17:099 (7) - NC
  14. 00:20:452 (1,2) - make them mirror symmetry with 00:20:276 (8) - ? Also I think the sv change here is not necessary
  15. 00:22:746 (7) - NC
  16. 00:25:393 (6,7) - the rhythm should be better with note-slider imo.
  17. 00:38:276 (1) - From here begin, the part of electricity sound is mapped with so limitted ideas, I cant see any funny and different things. Feel a little sad about it.
  18. 00:38:276 (1,2) - too close distance
  19. 00:39:246 (3) - extend to 00:39:422 - ?
  20. 00:39:864 (6) - should start at 00:39:775 -
  21. 00:40:746 (4,1) - too close distance
  22. 00:41:805 (3) - extend to 00:42:334 -
  23. 00:42:864 (4,5,1,2) - not a good flow, also looks ugly.
  24. 00:43:923 (1) - end at 00:44:540 - and make the following slider begin at 00:44:628 - , the pattern now hears really odd.
  25. 00:45:688 (3) - remove this note and extend 00:45:334 (2) - to here
  26. 00:48:511 (4,5,6) - also odd distance setting.
  27. 00:50:276 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - why put them in a heap...
  28. 00:55:217 (1) - really hard to read, recommend to change 00:55:217 (1,2) - to a slider and move away from 00:54:864 (3) -
  29. 00:54:688 (2,3) - also, this looks a little awkward.
  30. 01:00:864 (1,1) - same suggestion as 00:43:923 (1) -
  31. 01:07:688 (3,4) - better to snap to 1/4 not 1/6 here.
  32. 01:08:393 (6,7) - ^
  33. 01:08:629 (1,2,3) - also snap to 1/4 plz
  34. 01:11:442 (1) - finish on the tail is better imo
  35. 01:12:491 (2,5) - also change finish to normal clap and same as following
  36. 01:20:090 (7) - remove this circle
  37. 01:29:498 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - imo quite overmapped, the 1/1 beat are very clear and 1/4 are really undistinguished
  38. 01:43:817 (2) - wrong start place, should snap to 1/6
  39. 01:43:544 (1) - the slider is odd here, why not keeping 01:42:726 (4) - to 01:43:680 -
  40. 01:48:862 (3) - recommend to change to a slider
  41. 01:55:135 (6) - fark this is out of screen and when I choose it my osu crashed!!!!
  42. 02:04:953 (2) - Hold slider is rankable now? I dont know it clearly.
  43. 02:06:989 (2) - whistle on the tail
  44. 02:08:189 (4) - ^
  45. 02:09:104 (6) - ^
  46. 02:10:253 (8) - ^
  47. 02:11:253 (2,4) - whistle on the head fits better than finish
  48. 03:17:169 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - also same as mentioned before, what extra to say is the stream is really harder than the previous one to play, recommend to change a stream or remove it.
  49. 03:27:194 (2) - finish here is really weird, normal clap plz
  50. 03:31:535 (4,1) - blanket better?
  51. 03:47:515 (3,4) - in fact I cant hear the two beats here in the music
  52. Followings are similar problems, tired to all point out...

Need to pay more attention on placement, especially the part of electricity sound...
Recommend to get some ideas of patterns from fanzhen, nold or others' map.
Good luck.
Jerry


10 SHO SHO and another 10 SHO? THAT MAKES 30 SHOs

SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO


  • [Donphin Inner Oni]
  1. 00:21:070 (102,103) - swap these two so that it makes a consistent rhythm with 00:19:570 -, 00:18:158 -, and 00:16:746 - ?

  2. 00:24:864 (128) - change to don to maintain the consistency of the d d k d d d rhythm like what you did for 00:21:335 (104,105,106,107,108,109) - and 00:22:746 (113,114,115,116,118,119) -

  3. 00:25:305 - Almost the same reason as the first suggestion, add a don here to keep the consistency of the kdk rhythm at 00:23:805 (121,122,123) - and 00:22:393 (110,111,112) - (You can also delete the kat at 00:25:482 - to emphasize more on the kdk, but that's entirely up to you :3)

  4. 00:30:511 - The transition from the 1/1 single notes towards the patterns starting from here with the 1/4 triplets are a little too sudden imo. Try moving 00:30:776 - to 00:30:158 - so that there is a smooth flow of transition here?

  5. 00:32:541 - Try deleting this so that the don at 00:32:629 - is able to give more emphasis on that loud sound here in the music? (I dunno what's that sound called lol, a siren perhaps?)

  6. 01:07:041 - There is an audible high pitched piano sound here, change this note to a kat to accompany it?

  7. 01:08:629 - This sound in the music is slightly higher pitched than 01:08:452 -, so I would suggest that you change it to a kat so that the difference of pitch can be shown

  8. 02:10:253 - Change the 1/4 ddk here to kdd so that the kat is consistent with the kat rhythm?

  9. 02:29:162 - I suggest leaving a gap here by deleting this note. I don't really have a very good reason to support my suggestion for this, but it just makes the pattern flow smoother and better somehow. For me, at least o3o

  10. 03:16:889 - The stream here starts a little too early in my opinion, the really fast bass (or drum, I dunno) sound starts at 03:17:169 -, So I really think you should start the stream from there so that it sounds more natural. Delete 03:16:959 - and 03:17:099 - ?

  11. 03:14:722 - This final d d d k d d d k pattern before the the long stream doesn't have enough buildup imo, I suggest adding a few notes as a "warning signal" for players that the stream is coming. Try adding dons at these parts : 03:14:804 -, 03:15:462 -, 03:16:086 -, 03:16:679 -

  12. 04:43:295 (24,25,26) - Since you have this k k d here, I would advice that you keep the consistency going by applying the kkd patterns at these parts as well by adding two 1/4 kats : 04:47:073 -, 04:50:211 -, 04:52:874 -, 04:55:170 -, 04:57:364 -.
    (There is one small problem with this suggestion though, adding all of these will make the kdddk at 04:58:591 - sound out of place, and I don't know how to fix this in a way that doesn't disrupt the style of mapping that you're going for, so I'll just leave it to you. Sorry :< )



  13. 04:24:230 - Nightmare fuel omg


Well, that's all from me! Great job with the sexy streams in the kiai btw, I really love them <33 Despite the fact that I can't FC them
Topic Starter
Squigly
thanks for the mods everyone c:
Dolphin

Jerry wrote:



10 SHO SHO and another 10 SHO? THAT MAKES 30 SHOs

SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO SHO


  • [Donphin Inner Oni]
  1. 00:21:070 (102,103) - swap these two so that it makes a consistent rhythm with 00:19:570 -, 00:18:158 -, and 00:16:746 - ? You have to realize that in the song there's a kick sample on 103 so kkd is best suited.

  2. 00:24:864 (128) - change to don to maintain the consistency of the d d k d d d rhythm like what you did for 00:21:335 (104,105,106,107,108,109) - and 00:22:746 (113,114,115,116,118,119) - In a greater context, the current patterns fits (and flows) better.

  3. 00:25:305 - Almost the same reason as the first suggestion, add a don here to keep the consistency of the kdk rhythm at 00:23:805 (121,122,123) - and 00:22:393 (110,111,112) - (You can also delete the kat at 00:25:482 - to emphasize more on the kdk, but that's entirely up to you :3) No, because I mapped to the reversed (or faded-in) snare smaple that ends (or lands) on 133.

  4. 00:30:511 - The transition from the 1/1 single notes towards the patterns starting from here with the 1/4 triplets are a little too sudden imo. Try moving 00:30:776 - to 00:30:158 - so that there is a smooth flow of transition here? I added some 1/2 prior to the triplets.

  5. 00:32:541 - Try deleting this so that the don at 00:32:629 - is able to give more emphasis on that loud sound here in the music? (I dunno what's that sound called lol, a siren perhaps?) what do you mean "loud" its barely audible unless you've made your soundcard emphasize the bass in an equalizer.

  6. 01:07:041 - There is an audible high pitched piano sound here, change this note to a kat to accompany it? I'm not mapping to the piano here, I'm mapping the wubwubwubuuubwubbwuuuuuub

  7. 01:08:629 - This sound in the music is slightly higher pitched than 01:08:452 -, so I would suggest that you change it to a kat so that the difference of pitch can be shown It doesn't fit because of the k kdk prior. This right here flows best becuase it already transitioned into following the piano.

  8. 02:10:253 - Change the 1/4 ddk here to kdd so that the kat is consistent with the kat rhythm? This doesn't fit the music at all.

  9. 02:29:162 - I suggest leaving a gap here by deleting this note. I don't really have a very good reason to support my suggestion for this, but it just makes the pattern flow smoother and better somehow. For me, at least o3o I disagree.

  10. 03:16:889 - The stream here starts a little too early in my opinion, the really fast bass (or drum, I dunno) sound starts at 03:17:169 -, So I really think you should start the stream from there so that it sounds more natural. Delete 03:16:959 - and 03:17:099 - ? Clean your ears, the snare roll obviously starts on the beat prior.

  11. 03:14:722 - This final d d d k d d d k pattern before the the long stream doesn't have enough buildup imo, I suggest adding a few notes as a "warning signal" for players that the stream is coming. Try adding dons at these parts : 03:14:804 -, 03:15:462 -, 03:16:086 -, 03:16:679 - That's stupid, and I don't agree with that at all. Adding dons at those places just makes the whole sections, and as if the similar section way prior to this isn't warning enough? You'd think players would expect another stream like this if there was one in a similar part of the song earlier on. No.

  12. 04:43:295 (24,25,26) - Since you have this k k d here, I would advice that you keep the consistency going by applying the kkd patterns at these parts as well by adding two 1/4 kats : 04:47:073 -, 04:50:211 -, 04:52:874 -, 04:55:170 -, 04:57:364 -.
    (There is one small problem with this suggestion though, adding all of these will make the kdddk at 04:58:591 - sound out of place, and I don't know how to fix this in a way that doesn't disrupt the style of mapping that you're going for, so I'll just leave it to you. Sorry :< ) There aren't any other parts like this. At least not any with a significant volume.



  13. 04:24:230 - Nightmare fuel omg Sleep well.


Well, that's all from me! Great job with the sexy streams in the kiai btw, I really love them <33 Despite the fact that I can't FC them
Thanks for the mod even though I disagreed with pretty much all of it. :(
Sending the updated .osu to Squigly.
pkk
wtf is this
Topic Starter
Squigly

pkk wrote:

wtf is this
babe you can do it :)
Dolphin


alert alert: puush doesn't like unicode, so you need to make sure to fix it every time you update lmao
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