18:11 Akali: hey
18:12 Akali: can I use this chat for modding your map? I don't have two screens so it would make things easier ;w;
18:15 Akali: ok I take it as a yes
18:15 Akali: 00:00:817 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I'm not sure what you are trying to map here, vocals? drums? bass? guitar?
18:16 Akali: it seems like first you map vocals, then you ignore them (making a pause) and then back to vocals again
18:17 Akali: spacing issues hm
18:18 Akali: in situations like between 00:02:188 (2,3) - for example
18:18 Akali: and 00:03:560 (2,3) -
18:18 Akali: which is set of objects that are very similar, you should have same distance between them
18:20 Remilia_CO: XD
18:20 Remilia_CO: let me see
18:20 Akali: oh you are here
18:20 Akali: cool
18:21 Remilia_CO: oh did you update to the newest ver.?
18:21 Akali: 00:04:417 (4,5,6) - if you want that pattern, move 5 a bit away from 00:04:074 (3) -
18:21 Akali: hm I think
18:21 Akali: I mod only insane anyway
18:21 Remilia_CO: ok XD
18:22 Remilia_CO: its a parallelgram
18:22 Akali: huh
18:22 Remilia_CO: 00:04:074 (3,4,5,6) -
18:22 Remilia_CO: and at beginning
18:22 Akali: got newest version ok
18:22 Remilia_CO: I didn't find better way to place them QAQ
18:22 Akali: oh I see
18:22 Akali: but
18:23 Akali: looking for forced geometrical figures isn't really good
18:23 Akali: I mean it's ok but it doesn't always mean it will look or play better
18:23 Akali: 00:04:588 (5) - is too close to 00:04:074 (3) -
18:23 Remilia_CO: I try to play that 00:04:074 (3,4,5,6) - and is well flowing
18:23 Remilia_CO: XD
18:24 Akali: yes but looks bad, flow is ok just meh spacing
18:24 Akali: 00:04:931 (1,2,3) - this overlapping with (5) looks bad too
18:24 Remilia_CO: 00:00:988 (2) - and I'd rather to change this one to a slider blanket with 00:02:188 (2) how do you think?
18:24 Akali: hm ye
18:25 Akali: and maybe make00:02:188 (2) - less curvy
18:25 Akali: so you can blanket a bit more away from it
18:25 Remilia_CO: should i make those become an another parallelgram?
18:25 Akali: ugh
18:25 Remilia_CO: 00:04:417 (4,5,6,1,2,3) -
18:25 Akali: idk
18:26 Akali: I would focus on how circles are placed related to other objects
18:26 Akali: not focus on parallerogram
18:26 Akali: i will try smth
18:26 Remilia_CO: XD
18:27 Akali: maybe if they form pentagram?
18:27 Akali: pentagon
18:27 Remilia_CO: which?
18:27 Akali: 00:04:417 (4,5,6) -
18:28 Akali:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/173896218:28 Akali: just with regular sides
18:28 Akali: (sorry for skin)
18:28 Akali: not really good for modding
18:28 Akali: ok next thing, this is important
18:28 Akali: 00:05:102 (3) - end of this slider
18:28 Akali: 00:05:445 (4) - and this
18:28 Akali: are on these orcherstral hits
18:28 Remilia_CO: 00:03:559 (2,3) - you mean place those further?
18:29 Akali: I mean, it would be better if 00:03:560 (2,3) - had similar spacing as 00:02:188 (2,3) -
18:29 Akali: dont you think
18:30 Akali: back to 00:05:102 (3,4) -
18:30 Remilia_CO: I'm wondering make which to similar with which
18:30 Akali: there are two impactful instrumental hits
18:30 Akali: and you map one of them as slider end
18:30 Akali: which is bad, because you want player to actually click on this spot
18:31 Akali: 00:06:131 (6,7,8) - this is overmapped or I'm deaf ;w;
18:32 Remilia_CO: XD to be a introduction stream
18:32 Akali: ugh
18:32 Akali: I can only here bass slide there
18:32 Akali: nothing to exuse making a stream
18:33 Remilia_CO: but when you put a slider it will be less flowing
18:33 Akali: just put circles to vocals
18:33 Akali: 1/1
18:33 Akali: 00:06:474 (1,2) - overlapping like that is very meh
18:34 Remilia_CO: distance is too short
18:34 Remilia_CO: XD I like thos overlapping
18:34 Remilia_CO: those
18:34 Akali: hm ok just saying
18:35 Akali:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/173899218:35 Akali: if you want an overlap something like this would be better
18:35 Remilia_CO: I do more focusing flowing and don't really forbidden overlapping
18:35 Akali: making less curvy sliders
18:35 Akali: makes flow better too
18:35 Remilia_CO: really typical pattern XD
18:35 Akali: so kill two birds with one stone
18:36 Akali: but this is typical song as well
18:36 Akali: ;w;
18:36 Remilia_CO: ;w; its also LL style song
18:36 Akali: 00:07:332 (3,4,5) - I don't like this at all ;w;
18:37 Akali: flow is supercut
18:37 Remilia_CO: QAQ much fycho style
18:38 Akali: 00:09:217 (4) - I think you could put a note on red tick
18:38 Akali: there is guitar sound for that
18:38 Akali: and drums
18:39 Remilia_CO: 00:09:388 -
18:39 Remilia_CO: here?
18:39 Akali: ye
18:40 Remilia_CO: 00:10:245 (3) - how do you think I put that note in the same place with this
18:40 Akali: 00:10:417 (4) - vertical flip
18:41 Akali: hm
18:41 Akali: so you make a big triangle?
18:41 Akali: 00:08:873 (1,2,3,4,5) - ?
18:41 Remilia_CO: blanket
18:41 Akali: triple + 4+5 form big triangle with that solution
18:41 Akali: oh misunderstanding
18:41 Remilia_CO: because 00:09:045 (3,4) - is a little bit far for jump
18:41 Akali: ye
18:42 Remilia_CO: so i don't want to make a reverse to the half way
18:42 Akali: mhm
18:42 Akali: ok so
18:42 Akali: 00:10:417 (4) - I would flip that
18:42 Akali: it doesn't change how it plays
18:42 Akali: but it makes more natural to follow sliderball
18:43 Remilia_CO: how?
18:43 Akali: it's with the flow of 00:10:074 (2,3) -
18:43 Remilia_CO: can you get a screen shot for me
18:43 Akali: it's design thing
18:43 Akali: ugh, just ctrl+j it and adjust the placement
18:44 Remilia_CO: but that won't looks good with 00:09:559 (1,4) -
18:44 Remilia_CO: 00:10:759 (5,6) - and don't flow with those
18:44 Akali: sec
18:45 Akali: screenshot didnt upload
18:45 Akali: well if you move one thing
18:45 Akali: you have to adjust the others so they fit that
18:45 Remilia_CO: QAQ
18:45 Akali: it's hard to fix something without adjusting the rest of related objects
18:46 Akali: gotta use puush
18:46 Akali:
http://puu.sh/9DRrp.jpg18:46 Akali: i would move it here so slider ends don't overlap in ugly way
18:46 Remilia_CO: 00:10:074 (2,3,4) - also isocolate triangle
18:46 Remilia_CO: 00:10:759 (5,6,7) - and equileteral triangle
18:47 Akali: sec
18:47 Akali: we will get to that part
18:47 Akali: also you will just have to move what's after it too
18:47 Akali: 00:11:445 (8,9) - don't use sliders but make some jumps/use circles
18:48 Akali: there is again orchestral "passage"
18:48 Remilia_CO: in your picture I saw 00:09:559 (1) - is turn upward and also 00:10:417 (4) - this is turn upward so feels imbalanced
18:48 Akali: 4 hits
18:49 Akali: hm
18:49 Remilia_CO: 00:11:445 (8) - you mean change this to 2 notes?
18:49 Akali: so maybe try to rearrange (1)
18:49 Akali: yes change to two notes, it would fit the music better
18:50 Akali: 00:13:159 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - are you mapping bass here?
18:50 Remilia_CO: rhythm
18:50 Akali: ok hm
18:51 Akali: I would make it...
18:51 Remilia_CO: again 00:10:759 (5) - here is a note
18:51 Akali: so
18:51 Akali: move it?
18:51 Remilia_CO: 00:11:445 (8) - so change this to 2 notes
18:51 Remilia_CO: will become
18:51 Remilia_CO: repeating
18:51 Akali: sliders are free objects
18:51 Akali: free 300s
18:51 Akali: the more circles your map has while having proper balance the better ;w;
18:52 Akali: ok that part when you map rhythm
18:52 Remilia_CO: ;w; sometime circle will ruin the harmony between sliders
18:52 Akali: it's better to map sliders on white ticks, it feels more natural and fits basic beats better
18:53 Akali: I don't really want to argue, you can listen or not, you should do what you feel is best in the end
18:53 Akali: just what I think ;w;
18:53 Akali: ok so sliders on white ticks, jenny wrote some stuff about that
18:53 Remilia_CO: 00:11:445 (8,9,1) - this part is a shift between two beats
18:54 Remilia_CO: QAQ I just want to talk and broad my eye sight
18:54 Akali: and you have long slider just after
18:54 Akali: which is fine
18:54 Akali: but I wouldn't make it repeat
18:54 Akali: 00:12:474 (2) - you can make a circle here np
18:54 Akali: and map guitar
18:55 Remilia_CO: XD
18:55 Remilia_CO: 00:11:102 (7,8,9,1,2) - here is a pentagon
18:55 Akali: well sorry, I can't change anything without destroying your precious geometrical figures ;w;
18:56 Remilia_CO: ;w; so sad
18:56 Remilia_CO: asd*
18:56 Akali:
http://puu.sh/9DS5w.png18:56 Akali: zzz I mean00:11:959 (1) -
18:56 Remilia_CO: I can't see which is which orz
18:56 Akali: it's violin whatever on long slider, then circles for guitar then 1 and 2 slider for bass
18:57 Akali: 00:14:702 (1,2) - guitar sounds are long
18:57 Akali: sliders would be better
18:58 Remilia_CO: hard to make it much flowing .. actually i did slider in my HARD
18:58 Akali: 3/2 gap is like
18:58 Akali: waiting for christmas to happen
18:58 Akali: in july
18:59 Remilia_CO: hhhh
18:59 Akali: 00:17:017 (3,4) - seems overmapped?
19:00 Akali: kinda antijump 00:17:445 (5,1,2) -
19:00 Remilia_CO: why the screenshot can't upload QAQ
19:00 Akali: something wrong with osu
19:00 Akali: I can't too
19:00 Akali: gotta use puush
19:01 Remilia_CO:
http://puu.sh/9DSs4/5fe6ba8f37.jpg19:01 Remilia_CO: how do you think this
19:01 Akali: where
19:01 Remilia_CO: 00:14:702 (1,2) -
19:02 Akali: same sound and two different lenghts?
19:02 Akali: ;w;
19:02 Remilia_CO: QAQ
19:03 Remilia_CO: remain the time for ready the stream
19:03 Akali: 00:17:788 (1,2,3,4,5) - this pattern looks clumsy but up to you, plays ok i guess
19:03 Akali: 00:19:331 (2,3) - nope
19:04 Akali: 00:19:845 (4) - make 1/2 slider
19:04 Akali: by nope I mean you have to rearrange so it has ok flow ;w;
19:04 Akali: 00:19:845 (4) - here
19:05 Remilia_CO: >w<
19:05 Akali:
http://puu.sh/9DSLu.jpg19:05 Akali: combos wrong
19:05 Akali: 5 new combo of course
19:05 Akali: but it goes better with the music
19:06 Akali: 00:21:388 (3) - blanket_
19:07 Remilia_CO:
http://puu.sh/9DSTB/22f81fccba.jpg19:07 Remilia_CO: I do not mean to make blanket here it's too curve
19:07 Akali: ok just not overlap like that >.<
19:07 Akali: they really are messy
19:07 Remilia_CO: I was making 2 equileteral triangle
19:07 Remilia_CO: XD
19:07 Akali: 00:22:588 (4) - two sounds
19:08 Akali: 00:22:931 (1,2) - not mapping vocals
19:08 Akali: idk why
19:08 Remilia_CO: QAQ but the slider needs to turn back this note 00:21:731 (1) , how will you solve it
19:08 Akali: by moving note ó.o
19:08 Remilia_CO: 00:22:931 (1) little drum here
19:09 Akali: idk just I feel thqat 00:21:388 (3) - not blanketing
19:09 Akali: is meh
19:09 Akali: hm ye
19:09 Akali: so it's fine
19:09 Akali: 00:23:617 (1,2,3) - but maybe not stacks?
19:09 Remilia_CO: I put the note in the middle of the slider so i thought it won't broken the ballance XD
19:10 Akali: 00:23:959 (3,4) - there is large pitch difference in vocals
19:10 Akali: stack is anticlimactic
19:10 Akali: 00:24:645 (1,2,1,2,1) - I like this ;w;
19:10 Remilia_CO: so do i need to change them to be reverse
19:10 Remilia_CO: ?
19:10 Akali: 00:26:531 (1,2) - but hate this
19:11 Akali: sorry I move too fast >.<
19:11 Akali: change what?
19:11 Akali: to be reverse?
19:11 Remilia_CO: 00:23:617 (1,2,3,4) -
19:11 Remilia_CO: 00:26:531 (1,2) - this looks overlapped but really well folwing
19:11 Remilia_CO: flowing orz
19:12 Akali: hm
19:12 Akali: 00:24:645 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this whole thing has nice regular spacing
19:12 Akali: 00:26:702 (2) - you want to start stream here anyway
19:12 Remilia_CO: XD I really like to make straight line
19:13 Remilia_CO: yes XD
19:13 Akali: I would never make that long reverse sliders anyway ;;
19:13 Akali: rather 2 1/2 sliders that fit previous pattern
19:13 Remilia_CO: ;w; just japanese style (fycho)
19:13 Akali: and then something to 00:26:702 (2) - stream here
19:14 Akali: 00:27:559 (2,3,4,1,2,3) - this...
19:14 Akali: hm
19:14 Akali: weird spacing
19:14 Akali: maybe put that triple in the very centre of triangle
19:15 Akali: 00:28:416 (4) - this slider is like
19:15 Remilia_CO: seems overlapped and not flowing.
19:15 Akali: ye
19:15 Remilia_CO: hahaha
19:15 Akali: oh
19:15 Akali: I mean it seems overlap
19:15 Remilia_CO: 00:28:417 (4) - this one
19:15 Akali: because of slider (4)
19:15 Akali: make it 1/2
19:15 Remilia_CO: feel like
19:15 Akali: then you can use circle
19:15 Akali: for first syllable of vocal line
19:16 Akali: 00:28:416 (4) - you start vocals with slider end of this
19:16 Remilia_CO: yes
19:16 Akali: technically ok since there is a hitsound
19:16 Akali: but again, it's better if you make people click that
19:17 Akali: 00:30:302 (3) - hm maybe less curvy
19:17 Akali: and putt a bit further away so still blankets 00:29:617 (3) -
19:17 Akali: 00:30:817 (1,2) - nothing important is going on
19:17 Akali: and there is a jump bigger than usual
19:17 Remilia_CO: curvy with sharpy combination
19:18 Remilia_CO: 00:30:302 (3,1,2,3) -
19:18 Akali:
http://puu.sh/9DTJk.jpg more like that?
19:19 Akali: 00:30:817 (1,2) - don't make big jump
19:19 Akali: 00:31:158 (3) - 1/2 slider
19:19 Remilia_CO: oh and finally this picture uploaded
19:19 Remilia_CO:
http://puu.sh/9DSTB/22f81fccba.jpg19:20 Akali: ugh I saw that one
19:20 Akali: terrible overlap
19:20 Remilia_CO: QAQ
19:20 Akali: 00:33:731 (4) - lacking note here...
19:20 Remilia_CO: I used various curvity slider to make my map looks versatile XD
19:21 Akali: ugh
19:21 Remilia_CO: 00:34:588 (1) - that's why i place this further
19:21 Akali: it's better to have consistent curves
19:21 Remilia_CO: at first i place them to be a parallelgram
19:21 Akali: unless there is some special sound
19:21 Akali: argh
19:21 Akali: stop focusing on your geometry
19:21 Remilia_CO: XD
19:21 Remilia_CO: yes and i gave up the paraBALABALA
19:22 Akali: 00:33:902 (5) - change to 1/2
19:22 Akali: and note on 00:34:245 (6) -
19:22 Akali: kinda have to rearrange this thing too
19:23 Akali: 00:34:587 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - it's like...
19:23 Akali: you mapped 1 part of that 1/1 focal (watashi)
19:23 Akali: vocal*
19:23 Akali: and then 1/2s...
19:24 Akali: make 3 1/1s or make it 1/2 slider
19:24 Akali: 1/2 slider jumps would work
19:24 Remilia_CO:
http://puu.sh/9DU5b/0e7de2295c.jpg19:24 Akali: ok
19:24 Remilia_CO: parallelgram \:D/
19:25 Akali: 00:36:645 (1,2,3,4) - bigger jumps
19:26 Akali: you made bigger ones when there was just bass and high hat
19:26 Akali: here is very impactful part and it's some triangle in the corner
19:27 Akali: ok the verse...
19:27 Akali: hm in general it feels like you sometimes map vocals
19:27 Akali: sometimes drums...
19:27 Akali: ok so
19:28 Akali: 00:40:073 (3,4) - here maybe
19:28 Akali: blue tick 3/4 slider somehow?
19:28 Akali: would be justified
19:29 Remilia_CO: which one?
19:29 Remilia_CO: first or 2nd?
19:29 Akali: first seems better
19:29 Akali: since there is drum on second
19:29 Akali: snare
19:29 Akali: 00:40:931 (2) - here if you want to map vocal
19:29 Akali: start slider earlier
19:29 Akali: you put a note
19:30 Akali: and then a long slider that goes for vocal that started already note before
19:30 Akali: but
19:30 Akali: there is bass
19:30 Akali: 00:40:931 (2) - so you could make it return slider
19:30 Akali: 1/2 return slider
19:30 Akali: would be ok I think
19:31 Remilia_CO: that will be too much 1/2 slider here
19:31 Akali: if you think so
19:31 Akali: but 1/1 starting on red tick there
19:31 Akali: don't like
19:32 Akali: 00:45:560 (3) - drums stand out a lot
19:32 Akali: map them
19:32 Remilia_CO: 00:42:131 (5) it's for me to make this to emphasize the beat here
19:32 Akali: this is fine
19:32 Remilia_CO: also too many 1/2 sliders ;w;
19:33 Akali: ye but part is queieter
19:33 Akali: lot's of bass standing out
19:33 Akali: sliders could overcome circles here for a bit
19:33 Akali: but it's up to you
19:33 Remilia_CO: >w<
19:33 Akali: ok so here 00:45:389 (2) - map drums imho
19:34 Akali: 00:48:645 (2) - idk about this being 3/4
19:35 Akali: bass ends on red tick, there is hi hat on red tick
19:35 Akali: 00:49:674 (2) - this one should be 3/4
19:35 Akali: 00:49:331 (1) - this 2 1/2 circles
19:36 Akali: 00:50:359 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this
19:36 Akali: was super fun
19:36 Akali: but hm
19:36 Akali: 00:52:073 (1,2,3) - this might go to big? there is just bass here
19:37 Akali: later spacing is fine I guess
19:37 Akali: even though it's a lot harder than rest of the map
19:37 Akali: 00:55:159 (1,2,3) - this feels more like stream material rather than slider jumps
19:37 Akali: but whatever you prefer for that
19:38 Akali: ok... kiai
19:38 Akali: hmmmmm
19:38 Akali: seems anticlimactic, maybe speed up sliders a bit
19:38 Akali: 00:55:674 (1,2) - this is on vocals
19:39 Akali: they look like you map some breakcore with that shape
19:39 Akali: 00:56:017 (2) - also move 2 away further
19:40 Akali: 00:56:360 (3,4,1,2) - it's a chorus and again anticlimactic stacks
19:40 Akali: 00:58:245 (7) - rearragne
19:40 Akali: again at the slider end
19:40 Akali: there is important vocal note
19:40 Akali: make people click it etc
19:41 Akali: 01:00:131 (7,1,2,1,2,1) - too small jumps
19:42 Akali: 01:02:017 (4,5,6,1) - stream material!
19:42 Akali: 01:03:045 (3) - again slider end
19:42 Akali: + this is to clumped together
19:43 Remilia_CO: leave for a while sry..
19:43 Akali: I will finish
19:43 Remilia_CO: XD thx
19:43 Akali: it's the same issues all the time
19:43 Remilia_CO: ~~
19:43 Remilia_CO: so glad to talk to you
19:43 Akali: it's ok to have own style but
19:43 Akali: you have to think about what's in the music more ;w;
19:44 Akali: not only on timeline but spacing too
19:44 Akali: the more hype/upbeat the bigger the spacing in general
19:44 Akali: 01:03:731 (1) - out of nowhere, doesn't represent anything
19:44 Akali: some drums would be in place
19:45 Akali: 01:04:587 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - again anticlimactic spacing
19:45 Akali: last 3 notes you want to have biggest jumps
19:45 Akali: 01:08:358 (3,4) - bad stack
19:46 Akali: 01:06:473 (1) - no clue why turn kiai off for one note
19:46 Akali: 01:06:645 (2) - curve on the other side (ctrl+J)
19:46 Akali: 01:07:502 (5,2) - bad overlap
19:47 Akali: 01:12:302 (6,4) - 1/2 slider jumps would be somehow more fitting for the chorus
19:47 Akali: 01:14:532 (1,2,3) - circles not sliders here
19:48 Akali: 01:15:389 (1,2,3) - here it's ok - there is strong long vocal note and you make slider jumps, representing both beat and that part of singing
19:48 Akali: 01:17:874 (1) - if you want to map last two sounds, dont map one with spinner end
19:49 Akali: 01:16:417 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - make this thing more "central" and if you want last two sliders put them further away
19:49 Akali: that's it I guess (sorry sometimes out of order)
19:50 Akali: no hitsound comments cause I have no clue
19:51 Akali: so in general: more consistent spacing, no ugly overlaps (that's not a song to do that imo) and change spacing according to how strong the music is
19:51 Akali: and don't leave out important notes as slider ends