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Pizzicato
that's some intense fanboyism
Wishy
I like the style and it's fun to play but why the streams? I don't feel like it has anything to do with the music.

I mean they are fun and everything but I don't understand how they fit.
silmarilen

hurry up bats
Bonzi
:> Some suggestions.

[Mysterious Hymn]
  1. The transition between 00:23:295 (3) - and 00:23:469 (1) - is pretty big, just saying. in the majority of cases, the player will end up with a 100/slidebreak because of the massive spacing and ankward movement. Consider making it more simple to play. For example, making 00:23:295 (3) - only a circle would be nice.
  2. 00:31:966 (15) - I recognize where you want to place the slider's end, but the curve of the slider itself looks ugly :<. Try to move this slider end elsewhere.
  3. 00:45:665 (1,2,3,4,5) - WHOA
  4. 00:52:255 (3) - I think nobody would ever able to read this on sightread. I mean, try it yourself, you'll se that the jump between 00:52:255 (3) - and 00:52:428 (1) - is pretty big and unintuitive.
  5. 01:05:434 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - This is also pretty unintuitive :/.
  6. 01:40:983 (3) - Here, i will take a moment. Unlike 00:23:295 (3) - , this is just a circle , and that makes the pattern more simple to read and play. Hope you have understood.
  7. 01:49:654 (15) - just like i said a few lines above, i don't particulary like the slider body :/
  8. 02:22:428 (3) - maybe a little hard to read, but not that pain.
  9. 03:52:168 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Think how difficult is for the player to click on the circle and then on the slider with that distance between, for example, 03:52:168 (2) - and 03:52:255 (3) - . Just reduce a bit the distance between the circle and the slider.
  10. 03:56:071 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I can understand this, the vocals get more acute, so increasing the spacing too,but honestly ii think these are just too much to handle.
  11. 04:49:827 (1) - BIGGER WHOA
  12. 05:00:925 (2,3,4,5,1) - Gratz if you manage to get the map ranked with these,i'm thinking of how much players will be able to FC. Oh well, it will be fun >.<!
Good luck \:D/
izzydemon
that ending was amazing i'm at a loss for words, honestly
xxdeathx
omfg i can't believe this map is going for rank...lmao rrtyui couldn't come close to finishing it so its scoreboard might be like freedom dive's or big black's for a while

Vell
i would love to have this ranked just so i can sit back and enjoy the shitstorm \:D/

But seriously, most of the streams reaally feel out of place and have nothing to do with the song at all, i think you could do something better out of it.
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings

ThEBonzi wrote:

:> Some suggestions.

[Mysterious Hymn]
  1. The transition between 00:23:295 (3) - and 00:23:469 (1) - is pretty big, just saying. in the majority of cases, the player will end up with a 100/slidebreak because of the massive spacing and ankward movement. Consider making it more simple to play. For example, making 00:23:295 (3) - only a circle would be nice. that's just a sign to spread the map into two parts, u can see completely different stuffs before and after this. just consider this as the map's "true start" with the song's track as well
  2. 00:31:966 (15) - I recognize where you want to place the slider's end, but the curve of the slider itself looks ugly :<. Try to move this slider end elsewhere. agree, changed
  3. 00:45:665 (1,2,3,4,5) - WHOA lol
  4. 00:52:255 (3) - I think nobody would ever able to read this on sightread. I mean, try it yourself, you'll se that the jump between 00:52:255 (3) - and 00:52:428 (1) - is pretty big and unintuitive. i can read it without any pressure, so nearly 2/3 of testers as well. it require reading skills in playing, thou the map can't be played by noobs anyway.
  5. 01:05:434 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - This is also pretty unintuitive :/. just emphasis the vocal
  6. 01:40:983 (3) - Here, i will take a moment. Unlike 00:23:295 (3) - , this is just a circle , and that makes the pattern more simple to read and play. Hope you have understood. i understand, and hope u have understood mine.
  7. 01:49:654 (15) - just like i said a few lines above, i don't particulary like the slider body :/ changed as well thou
  8. 02:22:428 (3) - maybe a little hard to read, but not that pain. people who can't read this pattern will feel pain when play this map at the start
  9. 03:52:168 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Think how difficult is for the player to click on the circle and then on the slider with that distance between, for example, 03:52:168 (2) - and 03:52:255 (3) - . Just reduce a bit the distance between the circle and the slider. i can full combo this pattern with no break myself. any pro prove that? r they noob to me? idk, still, i think this is just no issue in playing...
  10. 03:56:071 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I can understand this, the vocals get more acute, so increasing the spacing too,but honestly ii think these are just too much to handle. follow THE song with THE pattern, that's what i did there
  11. 04:49:827 (1) - BIGGER WHOA orz
  12. 05:00:925 (2,3,4,5,1) - Gratz if you manage to get the map ranked with these,i'm thinking of how much players will be able to FC. Oh well, it will be fun >.<! there's nealy no one can fc this, but have lots of players can full combo these big spaced stream, who've been tested with my request
Good luck \:D/
thx for modding ThEBonzi! i'm appreciate that this comes as a surprising random mod :3
karterfreak
If this gets ranked... I guess it'd be perfectly okay to go rank something like this or this or even this (taiko difficulties) seeing as we'd be perfectly okay with ranking maps that aren't of very high quality, rely on gimmicky things, and are overmapped for the sake of being overmapped.

I wouldn't want to be part of ranking or bubbling something like this in its current state (though if I was a standard BAT I'd of course want to help fix issues (ex: lots of copy/paste)), and I sincerely hope that the quality of ranked standard maps by the standard BAT hasn't fallen so low that they would want to be part of this in its current state either.

(Disclaimer: The maps I linked are great as unranked maps for high level taiko players to practice on, but in a ranked system they would be incredibly bad. I feel this map falls under the same scenario, except for standard.)
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings

Tasha wrote:

If this gets ranked... I guess it'd be perfectly okay to go rank something like this or this or even this (taiko difficulties) seeing as we'd be perfectly okay with ranking maps that aren't of very high quality, rely on gimmicky things, and are overmapped for the sake of being overmapped.

I wouldn't want to be part of ranking or bubbling something like this in its current state (though if I was a standard BAT I'd of course want to help fix issues (ex: lots of copy/paste)), and I sincerely hope that the quality of ranked standard maps by the standard BAT hasn't fallen so low that they would want to be part of this in its current state either.

(Disclaimer: The maps I linked are great as unranked maps for high level taiko players to practice on, but in a ranked system they would be incredibly bad. I feel this map falls under the same scenario, except for standard.)
no, it's not overmapped, for the sake of not being overmapped. ask urself what is overmap and listen to the song carefully

i'm glad if u give suggestions to map itself, not the so-called current things

whatever, i haven't request any bats to check this map so far, coz i don't think it can be ranked now. low quality with copy/paste? ur idea. i say low quality with various patterns either

still thx for taking care of this map. no offense in words, just new opinions u can't accept, that's all
69653863
Overmapping doesn't exist.
go on HW, map is good as always :)
khan119
Guys calm down it's just a map..... and the way it is now it's obvious it won't get ranked...


Also stop being mad at HW he's also a living person with feelings so people teaming up against him is not the fair way to go at him in this situation
Zare
Really enjoyable map
supporting a rank
Stefan

Sugoi-_-Desu wrote:

Also stop being mad at HW he's also a living person with feelings so people teaming up against him is not the fair way to go at him in this situation
Oh look, someone with common sense.

Some things I want to mention:
01:53:989 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - I honestly dislike the Hitsounding here. I see your intention here but it just doesn't fit well to the music here.
01:59:538 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - ^
03:18:613 (3) - Move the red Sliderpoint at 488;328 to have a better curve transition with 03:17:226 (2): http://puu.sh/aXHOc/3d8592e012.jpg
04:15:665 (3) - I find the Clap not really fitting here, it sounds a bit too random.
Silverboxer
waiting for this to get ranked so I can drink all of the players' tears 8-)
iiyo
i heard it's really hard on standard but from playing on CTB, it's impossible to fc
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings

Stefan wrote:

Sugoi-_-Desu wrote:

Also stop being mad at HW he's also a living person with feelings so people teaming up against him is not the fair way to go at him in this situation
Oh look, someone with common sense. sry for late reply (2 mounth late lol

Some things I want to mention:
01:53:989 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - I honestly dislike the Hitsounding here. I see your intention here but it just doesn't fit well to the music here. i can partly agree with u, thou i set those hs in original style which still following beats, so i think keeping them is fine.
01:59:538 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - ^ ^
03:18:613 (3) - Move the red Sliderpoint at 488;328 to have a better curve transition with 03:17:226 (2): http://puu.sh/aXHOc/3d8592e012.jpg sure, fixed
04:15:665 (3) - I find the Clap not really fitting here, it sounds a bit too random. this is a special part in that long death stream, so i set different hs here, u can check that duo to the original song's part from 04:05:781 (1) - to 04:26:590 (1) -
thx for modding!
Goon
Sorry for the extremely long post(and if i made a formating mistake), it's basically me repeating the same suggestion at various points in the map, but i wanted to get them all.

00:26:937 (1) - add whistle
00:27:110 (2) - ^
00:27:284 (1) - ^
00:32:139 (1) - ^
00:32:313 (2) - ^
00:32:660 (5) - ^
00:33:353 (3) - ^
00:33:527 (1) - ^
00:34:047 (4) - ^
00:38:035 (1) - ^
00:38:209 (2) - ^
00:38:382 (1) - ^
01:42:545 (13) - ^
00:43:411 (3) - ^
00:44:278 (13) - ^
00:44:625 (1) - ^
01:44:625 (1) - ^
01:44:798 (2) - ^
01:46:705 (7) - ^
01:49:827 (1) - ^
01:50:001 (2) - ^
01:51:214 (1) - ^
01:55:723 (1) - ^
01:55:723 (1) - ^
01:55:897 (2) - ^
01:56:070 (1) - ^
01:51:735 (4) - ^
01:56:417 (2) - ^
01:57:804 (7) - ^
02:02:139 (15) - ^
02:02:313 (1) - ^
04:31:099 (1) - ^
04:31:272 (2) - ^
04:36:301 (1) - ^
04:36:475 (2) - ^
04:37:168 (1) - ^
04:37:688 (1) - ^
04:38:209 (4) - ^
04:42:197 (1) - ^
04:42:371 (2) - ^
04:42:544 (1) - ^
04:47:573 (3) - ^
00:32:833 - remove whistle
01:44:972 - ^
01:50:174 - ^
01:51:388 - ^
01:56:243 - ^
01:56:590 - ^
04:31:619 - ^
04:37:862 - ^
04:42:717 - ^

now, about the 01:53:989 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) part, i would suggest redoing it like this:
01:53:989 (1) - hitfinish
01:54:075 (2) - no hitsound
01:54:162 (3) - here use a hitsound like this one http://puu.sh/cv1rC/bafd5ae7da.wav
01:54:248 (4) - hitfinish
01:54:335 (5) - hitclap
01:54:422 (6) - no hitsound
01:54:508 (7) - hitfinish
01:54:596 (8) - no hitsound
01:54:683 (9) - hitsound i uploaded above
01:54:855 (11) - hitwhistle and hitfinish
01:54:943 (12) - hitclap
01:55:030 (13) - hitfinish
01:55:116 (14) - no hitsound
01:55:203 (15) - hitwhistle finish and clap
liaoxingyao
HW啊
地球人跟你有什么大仇啊
Yousei
这图CTB HT 打到3/4跪了.......

对此咱只想说....

来自COD:AW的梗23333


但是这图好好玩啊OwO
希望能成功App

EDIT

最后开了HTNF....
居然能300+combo咱柑橘自己好厉害/w\(被打飞 好弱qwq
Infeh
This map is so fun to play :3
Supporting all the way to rank!
Gogo ^^/
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings

Goonychan wrote:

Sorry for the extremely long post(and if i made a formating mistake), it's basically me repeating the same suggestion at various points in the map, but i wanted to get them all. sry but i've checked ur mod and reject almost all... coz ur mods r mainly give hs suggesion, which i've worked in a really general system or style. so i'll leave most of them and give a tiny change and adjustment to some part... still thx for taking care of this.
thx for modding!

sb in, enjoy.
Scorpiour
Mod for request

[General]
  1. Add ZUN to tags
[Mysterious Hymn]
  1. 00:02:486 - i may choose to add a note her, also 00:03:873 - 00:08:035 - 00:09:423 - if you agree with the prev
  2. 00:05:434 (1) - 260:343?
  3. 01:09:943 (3,4) - ctrl+g? also 01:10:290 (1,2) - ctrl+g separately if you agree with the prev
  4. 01:17:226 (1) - a 3/4 slider might be better
  5. 01:44:972 (1,2) - ^
就先写到这里了,后面的快速看了下也是大同小异没什么本质性的地方,照着前面这几条参考愿意改的都是一个路子,不愿意也随意了。

平心而论,我还是不太赞同在这种曲子上用这种方式到处甩stream,同样的脑洞大开式的mapping style一次两次可以,但总是一个样子而且这张图还在不停的就绕着1、2个梗转来转去就让人觉得有些无聊了。

至少在看过一次之后,我暂时还没有那种“看到就认为值得给泡”的程度。我需要仔细想想,同时认为你也需要稍微认真想一下你的Mapping。

有所成名之后很容易被环境的吹捧和赞美带到里的,请不要固步自封。
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings

Scorpiour wrote:

Mod for request

[General]
  1. Add ZUN to tags fixed
[Mysterious Hymn]
  1. 00:02:486 - i may choose to add a note her, also 00:03:873 - 00:08:035 - 00:09:423 - if you agree with the prev ??!?!?!?!!!? i still wanna keep the normal ones ;w;
  2. 00:05:434 (1) - 260:343? good but i prefer the current one.
  3. 01:09:943 (3,4) - ctrl+g? also 01:10:290 (1,2) - ctrl+g separately if you agree with the prev wow i'll be too diffcult if i change this orz
  4. 01:17:226 (1) - a 3/4 slider might be better ;w; all stream blablablabla
  5. 01:44:972 (1,2) - ^ ^
就先写到这里了,后面的快速看了下也是大同小异没什么本质性的地方,照着前面这几条参考愿意改的都是一个路子,不愿意也随意了。

平心而论,我还是不太赞同在这种曲子上用这种方式到处甩stream,同样的脑洞大开式的mapping style一次两次可以,但总是一个样子而且这张图还在不停的就绕着1、2个梗转来转去就让人觉得有些无聊了。

至少在看过一次之后,我暂时还没有那种“看到就认为值得给泡”的程度。我需要仔细想想,同时认为你也需要稍微认真想一下你的Mapping。

有所成名之后很容易被环境的吹捧和赞美带到里的,请不要固步自封。我美酒了OVQ
thx for modding!
[Nemesis]
umm... i dont know if it was told before but... if its going for approval, it cant have less than 5.00 minutes D:
try to make it 1 second longer
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings

[Nemesis] wrote:

umm... i dont know if it was told before but... if its going for approval, it cant have less than 5.00 minutes D:
try to make it 1 second longer
u can get into game and see if it's longer than 5 mins, it's 4:59 coz auto timing length didn't count spinners', true length is far more longer than that.
Lucid Astray
2/10. You tried at least. The 1/4 you can barely hear while listening to the song is impossible to hear while playing because of hitsounds. I am not hating HW, I am against this map being ranked because of "overmap" which takes the pleasure out of the RHYTHM game (not every overmap though). If I'm in mood to mash perma 173 BPM the whole map I'd rather play Stream Practice Maps.

I really can't see why this beatmap is creative. But now I do see why people keeps calling some of HW's maps really random.

@EDIT: I know that it is not overmapped, but it feels like. Also I change my mind, I like this map for warmup :)
Kodora
woohoo, stream party! :)

P. S. It is not overmapped. Listen to the hitsounds carefully.

+Starred.
Ashasaki
At last , the sb has finally in! :>
Nyxa
How can you say that there is 1/4 in the song and then that the 1/4 in the map is overmapped?
Mei
这sb,服了
Ethercastle

Mei wrote:

这sb,服了
Dispel
How is this map not ranked it is so good and well made! Great job!
Nyxa
Okay, so I've been reading through the thread, and some of the hate I'm seeing is really unnecessary, so to clarify the 1/4 for some people;

It's there. Almost all of the streams have been mapped to quite clear 1/4 hihats in the background - this an an Extra, and it is perfectly fine to map to sounds that are harder to hear. The fact that you can't hear it doesn't mean that it's not there, and if it is, it's not overmapped. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's fine to dislike this map, but that doesn't warrant bashing on it without even trying to give suggestions to help improve it. You can either give suggestions for the mapper, support them, or stay quiet. There is absolutely no value in going on a map's thread to say "this is shit", "I'll kill myself if this gets ranked", "watch BATs rank this because they have no clue of what a good map is", and so on. All you're doing with that is hurting the mapper's feelings, which is unnecessary. They put a lot of effort into their map, and then someone comes and completely crushes their excitement over their finished product.

A map's difficulty isn't the main factor that determines its rankability or playability. Just look at this map - Inbachi is a very good difficulty, it fits the song well and has good rhythm and flow, but it's 8.31 stars. Despite that, it'd still be rankable with enough modding, and the scoreboards also wouldn't be filled with FC's. It's not inherently bad for a scoreboard to not be filled with FC's - it just means that the map is difficult. It says very little about the quality of the map, and it isn't a real reason not to rank it.

There are plenty of easier ranked maps that aren't really all that enjoyable, but get no complaints because people can play them. This need to bash mappers that make difficult maps needs to stop. It's childish and it doesn't help any mapper with their map. Even if the map is absolute shit, you're not helping the mapper improve by saying things like that. Maybe next time you can try to post in a thread when you have something of value to say, or at least post a decently-sized mod pointing out precisely why the mapper is shit, instead of just saying that they are. And be nice about it. It's not like the mapper punched you in the face. They placed circles to a song for fuck's sakes.

I'm sorry for the long post, but I'm tired of seeing people needlessly bash a map without putting any effort into helping it improve. It's low to do and inhibits a mapper's creativity, because they become afraid of being attacked for trying something new, which causes maps to be of a quality lower than what they could've been.

I really enjoy playing this map. I did from the first time I played, and I still would if I weren't sick at the moment. It's one of my favorite maps in the game, which is why is decided to post this. It needs more support, and I hope that it gets ranked soon. It'll add some more colour to our immense pool of TV size maps that just seem to be mapped to be rankable, instead of being impressive, unique, and enjoyable. Shooting you a star.
Rixia Mao

Tess wrote:

O It's not like the mapper punched you in the face.
i think its perfectly ok for a mapper to punch somebody in the face after all the 'i'll kill my self' 'this map is shit' things.


Or you can just watch 'em killing themselves
Hakurei Yoru
SB有点美>w<
Tarrasky
make a map for 0.2% of the players play, gratters
CLSW
HW, you are genius.

hehe
jesus christ is it happening
Akali

Tarrasky wrote:

make a map for 0.2% of the players play, gratters
That's way more interesting than making a map that 99,98% players can play.
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