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time to die first match ecause I am awful at this game
Like how people are saying I'm in, yet signup isn't even open yet
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Not sure I agree with randomized seeds. Wouldn't it make more sense to seed via pp rank? That way the top two favourites wont meet in Round 1, for instance.
Last time this happened people complainedShimatora wrote:
Not sure I agree with randomized seeds. Wouldn't it make more sense to seed via pp rank? That way the top two favourites wont meet in Round 1, for instance.
Then we randomized it.
More people complained, so we are sticking to our guns on this one to be honest.
We more than likely will livestream the matches being picked out using a randomizer.
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People will complain about it no matter what method is used. Seeding a tournament this big didn't work from my experience. We randomized it and what happened? #2 UK and #1 UK met. If it was seeded, this wouldn't of been the outcome.
If people don't like regular seeded tournaments they clearly have no idea what a tournament is about. It's there for the best to do well in and the people who aren't quite as good to get knocked out. It makes no sense if the #1 and #2 UK meet early than the finals. Otherwise, randomised seeds mean that one side of the bracket could get heavily stacked with the top 10 players, all of whom start knocking each other out leaving (probably) #1 for the finals. Then, on the other, lesser stacked side of the bracket you have the bottom 10 players. Essentially, if PP meant everything, you'd be getting #1 and #10 for the finals. Which makes very little sense!PortalLife wrote:
People will complain about it no matter what method is used. Seeding a tournament this big didn't work from my experience. We randomized it and what happened? #2 UK and #1 UK met. If it was seeded, this wouldn't of been the outcome.
People complain about everything. :S.Shimatora wrote:
If people don't like regular seeded tournaments they clearly have no idea what a tournament is about. It's there for the best to do well in and the people who aren't quite as good to get knocked out. It makes no sense if the #1 and #2 UK meet early than the finals. Otherwise, randomised seeds mean that one side of the bracket could get heavily stacked with the top 10 players, all of whom start knocking each other out leaving (probably) #1 for the finals. Then, on the other, lesser stacked side of the bracket you have the bottom 10 players. Essentially, if PP meant everything, you'd be getting #1 and #10 for the finals. Which makes very little sense!PortalLife wrote:
People will complain about it no matter what method is used. Seeding a tournament this big didn't work from my experience. We randomized it and what happened? #2 UK and #1 UK met. If it was seeded, this wouldn't of been the outcome.
But either way we will stick to random. (If it turns out to be crap, theres always OUKT4 to change our minds)
I agree that seeding by pp would be/was way better.
Hypeee ;o Sounds really fun, even though I will probably be knocked out early haha 
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Yeah. We will see. I'll get a poll or some crap and see if people want PP seeding ect.jesus1412 wrote:
I agree that seeding by pp would be/was way better.
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Does no one remember the last tournament? I seeded it and the bracket came down to all the good players knocking each other out and all the lower players knocking each other out. The finals would be awful. Randomization is in the best interest of a "epic" tournament.
That is not how seeding works.PortalLife wrote:
Does no one remember the last tournament? I seeded it and the bracket came down to all the good players knocking each other out and all the lower players knocking each other out. The finals would be awful. Randomization is in the best interest of a "epic" tournament.
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That was the result of PPV2 seeding, when I did the brackets last time. As a result I dropped seeding and went for randomization and the tournament turned out to be a success.
Seeding means that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the highest seeded people to meet until the end. Are you sure you did it right? Besides, relying on RNG for seeding means that you could get a far worse bracket than you're implying you had with "proper" seeding. I'd advise you read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_%28sports%29PortalLife wrote:
That was the result of PPV2 seeding, when I did the brackets last time. As a result I dropped seeding and went for randomization and the tournament turned out to be a success.
In addition to that, how exactly did you seed? Did you use a website to help? I always use Challonge for the tournaments I run and I've not once had any issue with seeding placing high seeds against each other.
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I use that website as well. If I could show you how it looked back then, I would. But I saw it with my own two eyes. I'm confident with using randomization. The bracket generation will be live streamed on our official twitch channel for the event - http://www.twitch.tv/oukt3
I have confidence randomization will be fine. Trust me, seeding a 64 player tournament isn't as simple as you think it is.
I have confidence randomization will be fine. Trust me, seeding a 64 player tournament isn't as simple as you think it is.
It is as simple as I think it is. You seed players based on rank and then the site deals with the rest. Can I take a look at the bad seeding bracket? If you could enable seeding numbers to be shown too, that'd be great. Either you:PortalLife wrote:
I use that website as well. If I could show you how it looked back then, I would. But I saw it with my own two eyes. I'm confident with using randomization. The bracket generation will be live streamed on our official twitch channel for the event - http://www.twitch.tv/oukt3
I have confidence randomization will be fine. Trust me, seeding a 64 player tournament isn't as simple as you think it is.
1. Seeded people incorrectly.
2. Accidentally randomised the seeds.
3. You're telling the truth and seeding sometimes messes up. (which makes absolutely no sense considering it's 100% more likely the first two happened.)
I'll take a look and show you exactly what went wrong.
I do have to question your competence as a tournament organiser, however, if you can't even let Challonge seed your tournaments properly. It is literally the simplest thing in the world to do.
I'm willing to actually do the seeding myself too, if you want. I'm not trying to make your tournament worse - in fact, I'm trying to make it far more exciting. Random seeding is not exciting in the least and actually allows you to seed people however you want and call it "random." What happens when the top people have extremely hard matchups throughout and someone like yourself has it easy all the way up to the finals? You forget that seeding also stops any posibility of foul play happening from the organiser(s) end.
EDIT: Auto correct sucks.
Looking back, it seems I have reason to have my worries.
I'd have to call for someone else seeding the tournament, not PortalLife. If other people care enough, that is.
Edit: His stubbornness over this even when showing clear evidence that seeding should not work the way he's said worries me, and should worry others too.
I'd have to call for someone else seeding the tournament, not PortalLife. If other people care enough, that is.
Edit: His stubbornness over this even when showing clear evidence that seeding should not work the way he's said worries me, and should worry others too.
"Players that are under rank #50,000 are not allowed to sign up."
Welp, time to farm maps I don't like.
Welp, time to farm maps I don't like.
Topic Starter
Like I said, the bracket generation will be livestreamed. There will be no foul play involved. I have ran two successful tournaments to date, I think I can make a competent one.
No wish to show me the botched brackets then?
Also, if you're so stubborn, I'll go ahead and host my own set of UK tournaments with proper seeding.
I'll just give up on the persuasion side, if people really want to play in such a botched tournament as this, I wont bother fighting for a better one.
Also, if you're so stubborn, I'll go ahead and host my own set of UK tournaments with proper seeding.
I'll just give up on the persuasion side, if people really want to play in such a botched tournament as this, I wont bother fighting for a better one.
Topic Starter
You know, the North American osu! tournament uses random brackets, no complains, so why is it when I do it people wanna fucking cry about it all day?
Heres what happens if you use seeding for 64 players
Top players vs bads
Decent players vs bads
This means that the top players get easy wins inn the final rounds of the tournaments.
Calling this tournament 'botched' is really screwed up.
Seriously, you don't have to sign up, but I'll still make this a successful tournament like I have twice before
Heres what happens if you use seeding for 64 players
Top players vs bads
Decent players vs bads
This means that the top players get easy wins inn the final rounds of the tournaments.
Calling this tournament 'botched' is really screwed up.
Seriously, you don't have to sign up, but I'll still make this a successful tournament like I have twice before
Seriously just drop this argument.
I have explained.
WE ARE DOING RANDOM FOR OUKT3, End off.
If this fails or is crap (Which it might be or not be) We will do something else for OUKT4, IE PP Seeding.
We did this in OUKT1 (pp seeding) and got complaints
So we did it in OUKT2 (random seeding) and hey presto, complaints still
I watched portal randomize everyone and sort it out for OUKT2. There was no fixing, so Raiku is wrong.
I UNDERSTAND full well that PP ranking seeding is the normal way of doing it. But we had way to many complaints of under-skilled players against skilled players. So in theory the only fair way of doing this is to randomize the whole thing. But apparently thats wrong.
Once again, to eliminate people saying, fixed!. We are streaming us picking people out randomly.
Thanks and stop complaining. The tournament is for fun, stop fucking tryharding
I have explained.
WE ARE DOING RANDOM FOR OUKT3, End off.
If this fails or is crap (Which it might be or not be) We will do something else for OUKT4, IE PP Seeding.
We did this in OUKT1 (pp seeding) and got complaints
So we did it in OUKT2 (random seeding) and hey presto, complaints still
I watched portal randomize everyone and sort it out for OUKT2. There was no fixing, so Raiku is wrong.
I UNDERSTAND full well that PP ranking seeding is the normal way of doing it. But we had way to many complaints of under-skilled players against skilled players. So in theory the only fair way of doing this is to randomize the whole thing. But apparently thats wrong.
Once again, to eliminate people saying, fixed!. We are streaming us picking people out randomly.
Thanks and stop complaining. The tournament is for fun, stop fucking tryharding
Did you read the Wiki page? Seeding means that it wont be top players vs worse players in the final round of the tournament. If you don't have the capacity to understand this then that's fine, I'll leave you to it. And heck, it should be fun regardless but I was trying to improve your tournament for your players, who I actually feel sorry have to put up with a tournament organiser like yourself.PortalLife wrote:
You know, the North American osu! tournament uses random brackets, no complains, so why is it when I do it people wanna fucking cry about it all day?
Heres what happens if you use seeding for 64 players
Top players vs bads
Decent players vs bads
This means that the top players get easy wins inn the final rounds of the tournaments.
Calling this tournament 'botched' is really screwed up.
Seriously, you don't have to sign up, but I'll still make this a successful tournament like I have twice before
Just to clarify, you don't have to worry about my tournament, I'll be hosting it sometime after yours, just in case people want a proper tournament, not one that's heavily reliant on RNG to make the tournament exciting.
Hope your lack of knowledge running proper tournaments pulls you through.
Topic Starter
Its almost like you didn't read the posts and are just trying to get under my skin.
Seriously, stop it.
Seriously, stop it.
I was merely giving feedback on the setup. The frustration stems from PortalLife's lack of understanding. I tried explaining, he still does not understand. Not much else to it really.Mahiro Yasaka wrote:
Seriously just drop this argument.
I have explained.
WE ARE DOING RANDOM FOR OUKT3, End off.
If this fails or is crap (Which it might be or not be) We will do something else for OUKT4, IE PP Seeding.
We did this in OUKT1 (pp seeding) and got complaints
So we did it in OUKT2 (random seeding) and hey presto, complaints still
I watched portal randomize everyone and sort it out for OUKT2. There was no fixing, so Raiku is wrong.
I UNDERSTAND full well that PP ranking seeding is the normal way of doing it. But we had way to many complaints of under-skilled players against skilled players. So in theory the only fair way of doing this is to randomize the whole thing. But apparently thats wrong.
Once again, to eliminate people saying, fixed!. We are streaming us picking people out randomly.
Thanks and stop complaining. The tournament is for fun, stop fucking tryharding
sure its complaining but its pointing out flaws to make it a better event, not just empty baseless complaints to annoy you
Topic Starter
I tried to explain why seeding was ineffective based off the previous tournament, Shimatora took NO notice to that and then tried to set me up as a "incompetent" and a person not to be trusted. Thats where I draw the line. Just drop this topic already.
Mahiro Yasaka wrote:
Seriously just drop this argument.
I have explained.
WE ARE DOING RANDOM FOR OUKT3, End off.
If this fails or is crap (Which it might be or not be) We will do something else for OUKT4, IE PP Seeding.
We did this in OUKT1 (pp seeding) and got complaints
So we did it in OUKT2 (random seeding) and hey presto, complaints still
I watched portal randomize everyone and sort it out for OUKT2. There was no fixing, so Raiku is wrong.
I UNDERSTAND full well that PP ranking seeding is the normal way of doing it. But we had way to many complaints of under-skilled players against skilled players. So in theory the only fair way of doing this is to randomize the whole thing. But apparently thats wrong.
Once again, to eliminate people saying, fixed!. We are streaming us picking people out randomly.
Thanks and stop complaining. The tournament is for fun, stop fucking tryharding
If you do it random its just going to be bad and pointless a little like last time.