@buny i believe when he said 200 bpm singles he meant 1/2 notes which would be 100 bpm 1/4What, but soooo many people can singletap that, that can't possibly be what he means.
I said anything above 200 bpm. I can singletap 200bpm easily, of course. Anything under that I can do with just my fingers, anything over that my body involves the wrist and arm.Shirokami- wrote:
@buny i believe when he said 200 bpm singles he meant 1/2 notes which would be 100 bpm 1/4What, but soooo many people can singletap that, that can't possibly be what he means.
Well I'm pretty sure if you can stream 260bpm then you can also do a couple singles on that bpm,but using wrist is so much more reliable/consistent and not half as tiring so why do otherwise? I think what he means is literally the best practice is tapping with your fingers only,but if you really wanted to do a good run youll use your wrist for a certain bpm anyway.EcksDee wrote:
I said anything above 200 bpm. I can singletap 200bpm easily, of course. Anything under that I can do with just my fingers, anything over that my body involves the wrist and arm.
Really that guy doing the image material is the exception not the rule as far as I've seen
It still doesn't matter, because there's no reason to use a less efficient tool just for the sake of using a less efficient tool. No matter how you do it, streaming isn't the same as just adding a second finger to single-tapping; the added motion of the second finger makes them different on a physiological level, and the alteration to the movement as a whole means the muscle memory doesn't transfer. If anything, alternating is much closer to streaming simply because the motions are identical, so alternating very high bpm maps would train everything but your speed, and if you want to train your streaming speed the best way to do it is to stream.buny wrote:
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Stop comparing single tapping as wrist tapping, it's like saying double tapping is to alternating...
he was referring to the technique of only using your finger to tap not wrist, which he believed could not be used above 200 bpm 1/2, thats why i posted keigoclear [aka who?] playing image materialShirokami- wrote:
@buny i believe when he said 200 bpm singles he meant 1/2 notes which would be 100 bpm 1/4What, but soooo many people can singletap that, that can't possibly be what he means.
nyrox always tells the truthnyrox wrote:
I think singletapping has a more steady improvement because you can always be getting faster.
Alternating, at least for me, gave me a quick spike in improvement but now I'm really struggling to gain speed.
To an alting player a map needs to be either full of streams (good luck diving straight in after building up on singles) or above 400bpm to get some fast 1/2 notes to practice. Good luck to you my friend pushing yourself without spamming deathstream maps constantly. Of course you can go play fast maps which are evidently in abundance, assuming you've learnt to read and aim 400bpm 1/2 full screen jumps in which case I applaud you.NarrillNezzurh wrote:
It still doesn't matter, because there's no reason to use a less efficient tool just for the sake of using a less efficient tool. No matter how you do it, streaming isn't the same as just adding a second finger to single-tapping; the added motion of the second finger makes them different on a physiological level, and the alteration to the movement as a whole means the muscle memory doesn't transfer. If anything, alternating is much closer to streaming simply because the motions are identical, so alternating very high bpm maps would train everything but your speed, and if you want to train your streaming speed the best way to do it is to stream.buny wrote:
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Stop comparing single tapping as wrist tapping, it's like saying double tapping is to alternating...
You claim that single tapping is beneficial because it allows for faster improvement, but you don't seem to get that the reason it allows for faster improvement is because it pushes the player harder, and that it's entirely possible to get that extra push from alternating by simply playing faster maps. I highly doubt that alternating players hit a "stamina wall," and if they do I'd say it's entirely their own fault for not figuring out how to push through it with the tools available to them. I think it's far more likely they hit an accuracy wall.
Whats wrong with practicing on deathstream maps separatelyjesus1412 wrote:
To an alting player a map needs to be either full of streams (good luck diving straight in after building up on singles) or above 400bpm to get some fast 1/2 notes to practice. Good luck to you my friend pushing yourself without spamming deathstream maps constantly. Of course you can go play fast maps which are evidently in abundance, assuming you've learnt to read and aim 400bpm 1/2 full screen jumps in which case I applaud you.
The problem is most people just don't like deathstream maps straight out. Even 1key players.EcksDee wrote:
Whats wrong with practicing on deathstream maps separatelyjesus1412 wrote:
To an alting player a map needs to be either full of streams (good luck diving straight in after building up on singles) or above 400bpm to get some fast 1/2 notes to practice. Good luck to you my friend pushing yourself without spamming deathstream maps constantly. Of course you can go play fast maps which are evidently in abundance, assuming you've learnt to read and aim 400bpm 1/2 full screen jumps in which case I applaud you.
I mean truth be told im still very much on the fence about that "singletapping fast with your arm/wrist with a stationary finger helps speed up your two finger streaming with a stationary arm/wrist"
I remember you said "it just does", but i'll hold my breath until we see an alter in the top5 players.
May or may not happen, but thats a whole lot of claims being thrown out yknow.
Yeah, I hate deathstreams. Heck, I genuinely hate streaming full stop, but if what I need to do to continue alternating, as that's what feels natural to me, is specifically practice them, then that's what I'm gonna do.jesus1412 wrote:
The problem is most people just don't like deathstream maps straight out. Even 1key players.
And this is a problem unique to alternating players because...jesus1412 wrote:
To an alting player a map needs to be either full of streams (good luck diving straight in after building up on singles) or above 400bpm to get some fast 1/2 notes to practice. Good luck to you my friend pushing yourself without spamming deathstream maps constantly. Of course you can go play fast maps which are evidently in abundance, assuming you've learnt to read and aim 400bpm 1/2 full screen jumps in which case I applaud you.
as in its harder for a full alt to push themselves in stamina/speed because they have to go way faster than a singletapper to reach that speed where it becomes difficult physically.NarrillNezzurh wrote:
And this is a problem unique to alternating players because...jesus1412 wrote:
To an alting player a map needs to be either full of streams (good luck diving straight in after building up on singles) or above 400bpm to get some fast 1/2 notes to practice. Good luck to you my friend pushing yourself without spamming deathstream maps constantly. Of course you can go play fast maps which are evidently in abundance, assuming you've learnt to read and aim 400bpm 1/2 full screen jumps in which case I applaud you.
If you can show why singletapping is somehow better in training your streaming speed, then you might have a case.Bassist Vinyl wrote:
as in its harder for a full alt to push themselves in stamina/speed because they have to go way faster than a singletapper to reach that speed where it becomes difficult physically.
it's limiting
Wrist tapping trains strength in your finger and wrist, but your wrist is mostly affected in terms of speed/stamina gains, not your finger. The gain in finger strength can help to reaffirm muscle memory with the method below. This is done simply by hitting your keyboard harder and playing at or above your limit.tollox wrote:
Could anyone who has successfully managed to increase their singletapping speed comment on the method they used? Did you practice on singletapping maps at the limit of your speed or slightly above? Or did it come naturally by just playing whatever?
Got you covered buddy. Thank ranefire. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... ring#gid=0tollox wrote:
Could anyone who has successfully managed to increase their singletapping speed comment on the method they used? Did you practice on singletapping maps at the limit of your speed or slightly above? Or did it come naturally by just playing whatever?
Also, does anyone have any good maps for singletap practice between 210 and 220 bpm? I can't pass past that barrier.
These are good at 210:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/27306
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328
Sounds like good advice! Gotta work on them wristtaps it seems, there are huge areas outside of my limits.RaneFire wrote:
Wrist tapping trains strength in your finger and wrist, but your wrist is mostly affected in terms of speed/stamina gains, not your finger. The gain in finger strength can help to reaffirm muscle memory with the method below. This is done simply by hitting your keyboard harder and playing at or above your limit.tollox wrote:
Could anyone who has successfully managed to increase their singletapping speed comment on the method they used? Did you practice on singletapping maps at the limit of your speed or slightly above? Or did it come naturally by just playing whatever?
Finger-tapping leads to a direct gain in speed and stamina for your finger, but not much strength, since it is important to maintain a relaxed state in your hand while isolating finger movement, when playing at your limit. This is less important at slower speeds where you can use more strength for each hit and help to reaffirm muscle memory for when you go back to higher speeds (like interchanging slow & fast stream training to improve stream speed).
So use your wrist for things that are faster than you are capable of finger-tapping (above limits). Use finger-tapping on anything within your limits, gradually using more force when things get slower to reaffirm muscle memory and get some moderate finger strength training.
Or you could start lifting and forget all that.
Feel free to disagree, I won't get butthurt, I promise.
Sweet, that's really helpful.jesus1412 wrote:
Got you covered buddy. Thank ranefire. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... ring#gid=0tollox wrote:
Could anyone who has successfully managed to increase their singletapping speed comment on the method they used? Did you practice on singletapping maps at the limit of your speed or slightly above? Or did it come naturally by just playing whatever?
Also, does anyone have any good maps for singletap practice between 210 and 220 bpm? I can't pass past that barrier.
These are good at 210:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/27306
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328
What in the -aizhid wrote:
I regret full alternating.
My accuracy is hopeless and im not raising my limits because maps that are hard overall do not make me push my speed.
That's a personal problem and not at all related to alting.aizhid wrote:
I regret full alternating.
My accuracy is hopeless and im not raising my limits because maps that are hard overall do not make me push my speed.
well, thanks for the insight. I play osu like 8 hours a day and push myself on ACC all day by setting OD 1 higher.nooblet wrote:
What in the -aizhid wrote:
I regret full alternating.
My accuracy is hopeless and im not raising my limits because maps that are hard overall do not make me push my speed.
What does full alternating have to do with bad accuracy? You have to work on something to get good at it. I full alternate as well, and I'm fully capable of mashing semi-accurately (98-99.5) on songs of OD 7-8.
I like that you linked BD's Mittens which is one of the hardest aiming/reading maps in this game loltollox wrote:
Could anyone who has successfully managed to increase their singletapping speed comment on the method they used? Did you practice on singletapping maps at the limit of your speed or slightly above? Or did it come naturally by just playing whatever?
Also, does anyone have any good maps for singletap practice between 210 and 220 bpm? I can't pass past that barrier.
These are good at 210:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/27306
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328