Back it up. It's hard to take you seriously when you complain about trivial stats and then take a jab at someone based on those trivial stats.Purple wrote:
(something I'm pretty sure Cookiezi did on occasions)
You're either misinformed or bad at changing the topic of comparison.Purple wrote:
Notice how both rrtyui and www have high playcount but have never quit the game or gotten themselves banned in a childish, whimsical fit. GEE I wonder if that's a coincidence!
Seems like an attack on Cookiezi and is extremely irrelevant...Purple wrote:
In fact, I bet the only reason rrtyui has a relatively high playcount is because he's one of the few players that don't give a shit about a meaningless number in a videogame and therefore doesn't bother playing offline. Notice how both rrtyui and www have high playcount but have never quit the game or gotten themselves banned in a childish, whimsical fit. GEE I wonder if that's a coincidence!
that play is a bit questionable all things considered though.Filthy Casual wrote:
I love watching DH play, all his DT plays are just amazing. I can barely read it that fast let alone play like he does.Bassist Vinyl wrote:
puu.sh/8UyNY.osr
rrtyui cant do this
Edit: in fact, cookiezi cant do it either
interesting
Just a comment about players quitting the game because they took it too seriously (Cookiezi, Shizuru-, DH, Clementine, etc). it's relevant because Cookiezi used to talk trash about rrtyui's playcount, which proves he cared about his playcount which means he likely avoided having "too many plays"Rewben2 wrote:
Seems like an attack on Cookiezi and is extremely irrelevant...Purple wrote:
In fact, I bet the only reason rrtyui has a relatively high playcount is because he's one of the few players that don't give a shit about a meaningless number in a videogame and therefore doesn't bother playing offline. Notice how both rrtyui and www have high playcount but have never quit the game or gotten themselves banned in a childish, whimsical fit. GEE I wonder if that's a coincidence!
In my eyes, consistency is your ability to play a map well most of the time; as a randomplay. Cookiezi was good at setting scores in a short amount of time and playing the maps rather well most of the time, this makes him consistent. rrtyui sets great scores but over many many replays, this makes him inconsistent in comparison to Cookiezi but their ability to set scores is more comparable. Like I said, some people don't care about how long it takes you to set scores and that the end result is all that matters. I understand this approach. But if we DO compare them consistency-wise, the amount of time they spend getting scores does become relevant.
You joined in 2013 and you're calling me misinformed? Please.Ethelon wrote:
Back it up. It's hard to take you seriously when you complain about trivial stats and then take a jab at someone based on those trivial stats.Purple wrote:
(something I'm pretty sure Cookiezi did on occasions)You're either misinformed or bad at changing the topic of comparison.Purple wrote:
Notice how both rrtyui and www have high playcount but have never quit the game or gotten themselves banned in a childish, whimsical fit. GEE I wonder if that's a coincidence!
I didn't know cookiezi trash talked about play count, interesting.Purple wrote:
Just a comment about players quitting the game because they took it too seriously (Cookiezi, Shizuru-, DH, Clementine, etc). it's relevant because Cookiezi used to talk trash about rrtyui's playcount, which proves he cared about his playcount which means he likely avoided having "too many plays"Rewben2 wrote:
Seems like an attack on Cookiezi and is extremely irrelevant...
In my eyes, consistency is your ability to play a map well most of the time; as a randomplay. Cookiezi was good at setting scores in a short amount of time and playing the maps rather well most of the time, this makes him consistent. rrtyui sets great scores but over many many replays, this makes him inconsistent in comparison to Cookiezi but their ability to set scores is more comparable. Like I said, some people don't care about how long it takes you to set scores and that the end result is all that matters. I understand this approach. But if we DO compare them consistency-wise, the amount of time they spend getting scores does become relevant.
You probably completely ignored my post, but I'll say it again. Playcount is completely irrelevant because you can easily "fake" it by playing offline. Hell, all you had to do back then is enable SpunOut and your play wouldn't get ranked...
yesDefacer wrote:
did it really take you 200 plays to fc a [Normal] diff?
Your analogy is so senseless. First of all,football is a much different game than osu. To put it simply,football is a game that depends on physical abilites and tactical understanding. Osu has only one aspect,and that is physical ability,as in how accurate and fast you mash keys and how good you aim. Therefore,after a certain skill you can easily judge people by taking numbers and seeing them play. An old man who watched/played football for 30 years probably knows enough about the game to be able to judge well enough,just because he lacks the physical ability it doesn't man he is just "empty talk". Also,how does that even make sense? I am not allowed to share my subjective opinion on something because I'm not as good at something as the person I judge? Alright then,I guess I shouldn't vote anymore because I don't know about politics than the politicians. That applies for any sport aswell,how dare I,who can't even run 100meters in 11 seconds judge Usain Bolt? It's not making any sense,if you have an interest in something you are allowed to speak out your thoughts,after all nobody here claims his opinion as an absolute fact (or atleast I presume nobody does,because I don't think anybody has to take mine as the only truth - it's subjective after all).Defacer wrote:
Guys,I don't want to be rude but big portion of you judge those 2 player along with their scores without you being even CLOSE to understanding what skillsets you need to achieve them.Most of you are just doing empty talk, just like when a bunch of men watch a football match and judge every player like they are professional football skill judges.
I said his accuracy was his worst part. That doesn't mean it's bad but compare it to his aim and stamina for example it was "bad". His consistency is the best though. We could argue about this forever,but since everyone has his own thoughts I will just share mine and put out an exemplary picture to describe it:Defacer wrote:
I am not the biggest pro out there but if anyone can correct me, how is Cookiezi faster than rrtyui, give me some examples.Aim wise rrtyui did almost everything Cookiezi labeled as "impossible" and speedwise he surpassed him.I can only see how Cookiezi is better at accuracy/consistency(someone said that this was his worse aspect, what?).
I agree entirely.RaneFire wrote:
I was about to say that Cookiezi's accuracy was statistically 2nd to lewa's, but for consistency's sake he could produce better accuracy than anyone on his first play.
Those who saw Cookiezi play actively 2+ years ago know that he chained #1's like it was nothing, even sticking on DT on maps no one else had DT'd yet... on his first play. rrtyui has done some good stuff yes, but he expends a lot of effort to do so, whereas Cookiezi made it look like a piece of cake.
rrtyui is producing comparatively better scores, but his consistency is the last thing that needs to improve before he finally surpasses him. Right now the scales are only tipping in Cookiezi's favour because we, for some obscure reason, rate consistency on par with the difficulty of the scores set. It doesn't matter that playcount as a statistic is irrelevant, because the playcount that we see in the form of endless retries as spectators is actually relevant.
Every sport and e-sport is ultimately a spectator sport. Whether you classify this game as an e-sport or not doesn't matter, the fact is that there is a crowd and consistency is a very peculiar quality in the eyes of the spectator. People are constantly trying to gauge each other by what work you do or what games or sports you play... assessing your intellect, mental and physical performance based on how well you do it (often assessing all 3 from a single category, which is a big mistake, but often happens). To do that we need to gather information that we can actually see. If he rarely makes mistakes, it's very difficult to determine what he can and can't do. That will lead to our assumptions getting the better of us, thinking he can do things if he decided to retry a lot, which he probably can't... just because he's very consistent. Another big mistake. Fact is we can be tricked, but not in a benevolent way.
Yes, and that is the very definition of consistency. Skill limit is indeed the difference.Rewben2 wrote:
Your last paragraph brings up an interesting point. Saying something along the lines of "Oh, if rrtyui can set some crazy score in X amount of time, think how crazy the scores would be if Cookiezi spent X amount of time doing it!" is not valid because Cookiezi plays closer to his skill limit most of the time you could say. The "skill limit" (I can't think of a more suitable word, something that describes how well you can play) is what determines that scores you are capable of setting, not your consistency.
TIL joining earlier gives you access to highly classified documents.Purple wrote:
You joined in 2013 and you're calling me misinformed? Please.
But let's start caring about join date because it's a good indicator of skill and intelligence.Purple wrote:
How about this: we stop caring about playcount because it is probably the dumbest fucking thing you could do in this game
Cookiezi quit before in 2012. You wouldn't know that though because you joined mid 2013Ethelon wrote:
TIL joining earlier gives you access to highly classified documents.Purple wrote:
You joined in 2013 and you're calling me misinformed? Please.
Thank you for enlightening me with your wisdom.But let's start caring about join date because it's a good indicator of skill and intelligence.Purple wrote:
How about this: we stop caring about playcount because it is probably the dumbest fucking thing you could do in this game
@Rewben
I was calling him out for being misinformed and inconsistent based on the content of his post not whoever he is. I was referring to the hypocrisy of insulting someone that had to quit because of medical issues with "but have never quit the game or gotten themselves banned in a childish, whimsical fit. GEE I wonder if that's a coincidence!" while posting in a manner akin to a tantrum. I assumed he either actually believed cookie quit childishly (misinformed) or wasn't referring to him anymore (topic of comparison)
If that's a problem, then I have no problem ignoring him and dropping it.
It's also probably partially my fault. I'm a fan of sarcastic ambiguity towards anyone I'm not taking seriously. It usually gets people salty pretty quickly.
Cookiezi was way better than rrtyui back then around the time he got his Revolution Deathsquad HDHR score (I remember he got like 10+ amazing scores in the span of two days in mid april 2013). In fact, he has almost *always* been the best at this game, and having that sort of cognitive belief about oneself does help a lot with consistency, because you're less likely to mess up due to high-combo anxiety (I'm only glossing over this, I don't wanna get too deep into that topic). It doesn't mean that there weren't times where he had to make an effort and retry just like rrtyui, though; Airman HR and FD4D come to mind.RaneFire wrote:
I was about to say that Cookiezi's accuracy was statistically 2nd to lewa's, but for consistency's sake he could produce better accuracy than anyone on his first play.
Those who saw Cookiezi play actively 2+ years ago know that he chained #1's like it was nothing, even sticking on DT on maps no one else had DT'd yet... on his first play. rrtyui has done some good stuff yes, but he expends a lot of effort to do so, whereas Cookiezi made it look like a piece of cake.
rrtyui is producing comparatively better scores, but his consistency is the last thing that needs to improve before he finally surpasses him. Right now the scales are only tipping in Cookiezi's favour because we, for some obscure reason, rate consistency on par with the difficulty of the scores set. It doesn't matter that playcount as a statistic is irrelevant, because the playcount that we see in the form of endless retries as spectators is actually relevant.
Every sport and e-sport is ultimately a spectator sport. Whether you classify this game as an e-sport or not doesn't matter, the fact is that there is a crowd and consistency is a very peculiar quality in the eyes of the spectator. People are constantly trying to gauge each other by what work you do or what games or sports you play... assessing your intellect, mental and physical performance based on how well you do it (often assessing all 3 from a single category, which is a big mistake, but often happens). To do that we need to gather information that we can actually see. If he rarely makes mistakes, it's very difficult to determine what he can and can't do. That will lead to our assumptions getting the better of us, thinking he can do things which he probably can't do, if only he decided to retry a lot... just because he's very consistent. Another big mistake. Fact is we can be tricked, but not in a malevolent way, and think less of rrtyui just because he decides to retry something, finally giving us the information we need.
<snip>Purple wrote:
Cookiezi quit before in 2012. You wouldn't know that though because you joined mid 2013
He also acted like an arrogant brat at times, kind of like you with your post, didn't you know? Of course not, because you joined mid 2013 *pat* *pat*
I don't mean to "attack" on Cookiezi, I'm a fan of his replays just like everyone else, but with the thread topic being rrtyui, I felt it necessary to highlight the fact he is leagues ahead of Cookiezi and others in terms of "sportsmanship"
Ethelon wrote:
My gripe was with how you complained about a player acting childish and throwing a fit while using the same tone. If you didn't mean to attack him in that way then apologies for assuming that you said what you meant.
lolPurple wrote:
dishonest behavior like playing offline
kBassist Vinyl wrote:
lolPurple wrote:
dishonest behavior like playing offline
Bassist Vinyl wrote:
puu.sh/8UyNY.osr
rrtyui cant do this
Edit: in fact, cookiezi cant do it either
interesting
except he didntmeteor22 wrote:
Bassist Vinyl wrote:
puu.sh/8UyNY.osr
rrtyui cant do this
Edit: in fact, cookiezi cant do it either
interesting
actually
snowwhite did it
with HD
okmeteor22 wrote:
he did not actually FC it
I didn't even look at the puush initally (this is why I'm responding late), but that seems definitely in the realm of possibility for rrtyui considering his hoshizora + wahrheit scores. Although cookiezi has a terrible dt play on that (http://puu.sh/8Wfvu.jpg) which is far off an fc with bad acc, I heard it was also a randomplay? I don't know, dting shotgun senorita seems like a doable score for both rrtyui and cookiezi.Bassist Vinyl wrote:
puu.sh/8UyNY.osr
rrtyui cant do this
Edit: in fact, cookiezi cant do it either
interesting
i quitRewben2 wrote:
Although cookiezi has a terrible dt play on that (http://puu.sh/8Wfvu.jpg)
Well relative to a 99% score with HD and an fc, lol.GoldenWolf wrote:
i quitRewben2 wrote:
Although cookiezi has a terrible dt play on that (http://puu.sh/8Wfvu.jpg)
Cool, I rush into churches and scream "I don't care about what is being discussed here." I also go into subforums for genres I'm not interested in and spam "Who even cares, continue your funny discussions."Defacer wrote:
but who cares, continue your funny discussions
hey dats meAkali wrote:
Balance. Sharpness. Perfection. Rrtyui is like katana and has it all.
That was sooooooo rude one if rrtyui was lazy than he wouldnt retry things over 1000+ times :/ thats was really rudeKeichi-kun wrote:
rrtyui can HR,FC atama, creator, kokou no sousei etc, he's just lazy as ****nooblet wrote:
Let's not forget Niko who's still undefeated on Atama, Creator, and a billion other songs with DT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzwPMFv ... u.be&t=34sWishy wrote:
He wasn't that aggressive to rrtyui tho, he just said he wasn't that amazing to him and that all he did was try hard a lot for scores that weren't that hard anyways (using himself as a reference).
fixed and yesPettanko wrote:
So who's the only legit Korean player at the moment? Dungeon?
