my hypothesis here:Kingkevin30 wrote:
If maybe two or 3 people would focus on that distinct style of mapping then sure, im fine with that....but almost every map that comes out nowadays feels like a lifeless blob.
You wanna know why there is a rhythm?Fantasy wrote:
says riari the lowranked player who has no map play knowledge, clsw maps dump style that emphasizes on ghost rhythm *rhythm you can follow in your brain but not apparent in the actual song* commonly used in stepmania or 7k maps, it's used to boost difficulty (not really for pp) in a map. also argueing rhythm in ctb is quite foolish considering ctb is not a rhythm game but a timing game
https://youtu.be/gglJbqQmhoE?t=3m49s listen to my keys on my keyboard, theres a beat there, don't listen to the hypers but instead how you play the map its own
people map differently please respect them and don't call them (random hypers) or (Image Material is not a bad map because it gives pp. Image Material is a bad map because of its poor emphasis and sloppy hyper usage. )
this is purely ignorance based on that you cant really play anything to begin with so you look at it from a mapper's point of view.
ExGon wrote:
my hypothesis here:
1. some mappers map forppperformance, using pp patterns is one of the easiest(or only) way to make "easy to catch but looks hard(get great performance)".
2. some overdose diffs mapped before dec 2014 were big inspiration for many ctb mappers. they've been trying to copy styles, rank more maps used those styles, and that patterns are now on recent trend.
anyway everything is relative
That was my exact point xD but now that exgon said it you start appreaciating it wut?Fantasy wrote:
ExGon wrote:
my hypothesis here:
1. some mappers map forppperformance, using pp patterns is one of the easiest(or only) way to make "easy to catch but looks hard(get great performance)".
2. some overdose diffs mapped before dec 2014 were big inspiration for many ctb mappers. they've been trying to copy styles, rank more maps used those styles, and that patterns are now on recent trend.
anyway everything is relative
couldn't be said better 100% correct
It's, but his statement isn't completely wrong.Zak wrote:
Man this thread is fucking edgy
Also stop claiming someone has zero knowledge over hard maps simply because they're not a top tier player, that's not only outright disrespectful but also really arrogant.
Fantasy wrote:
lol, i wasn't talking about being a top tier player i was talking about the experience he has with patterning and styles that other people use, ctb is not a rhythm game its a game that ties with ghost noting and dash mechanics, it has nothing to do with rhythm at all
Kingkevin30 wrote:
totally no experience, not like i've played 1/4th of all ranked maps, and don't go on the "ohh you haven't played all the hardcore bullshit" ....i did, i can appreative it, analyze it, and come to my own conclusions about its design.
Fantasy wrote:
Kingkevin30 wrote:
yea man i love playing hard converts from 2008, really represents the current meta
sick seems your platter and rain knowledge is higher than mineKingkevin30 wrote:
This is probably the dumbest thing I've heard. List me any time where a BN has considered star rating or pp in the event of qualifying a map? Stop trying to pin blame on Nominators. A map can be different and it will be ranked just fine. But that map should be QUALITY.Morsay wrote:
People don't like a map who is hard and no pp and some BN's have afraid to bubble a map who is underrated.
As long the pp system is not good, NEVER we will see again this excellent kinds of mapping ranked:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/17744&m=2
( with the old PP system this map is 6.83* )
Ok, im gonna repeat myself once again, you are shitting on my video...but you didn't grasp the freakin point....it was about MUSICAL EMPHISIS,Fantasy wrote:
sick seems your platter and rain knowledge is higher than mineKingkevin30 wrote:
seriously tho you mentioned scythe and im trying to tlel you and riari that you literally ARE NOT experienced enough to play it thus you cannot judge styles like that, that's like me being a rank 400 and not being able to play dash hopes 3 or der wald and saying they are shit maps! random hypers! not fun! haha xD
I thought Paranoid Lost was an amazing map tbhAmlink wrote:
If people want good maps ranked somebody message starrodkirby86 and get some more kirby mix's made other than that I have 0 faith in timeless maps being made in 2016
hell yes my dudeAmlink wrote:
If people want good maps ranked somebody message starrodkirby86 and get some more kirby mix's made other than that I have 0 faith in timeless maps being made in 2016
Oh okay sorry sir i will wait to see ranked another map look like Avalon no oka https://osu.ppy.sh/s/218623Ascendance wrote:
This is probably the dumbest thing I've heard. List me any time where a BN has considered star rating or pp in the event of qualifying a map? Stop trying to pin blame on Nominators. A map can be different and it will be ranked just fine. But that map should be QUALITY.Morsay wrote:
People don't like a map who is hard and no pp and some BN's have afraid to bubble a map who is underrated.
As long the pp system is not good, NEVER we will see again this excellent kinds of mapping ranked:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/17744&m=2
( with the old PP system this map is 6.83* )
Hello. I'm someone who's experimented with different styles (Ikazuchi https://osu.ppy.sh/s/424208) and it took me much longer (11 pages of mods) to get it ranked. That should be obvious, something that is different will obviously need more mods to hit a rankable state. Compare that to something like my Nanairo Symphony (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/488149). The map got ranked in 4 mods because it follows a safe style of mapping.
Yes, methods of mapping are much cleaner and safer to rank than others, which is why you see them more. But NEVER can you say that different styles are "oppressed" or "looked down on". If you put in the time and effort to get something ranked, you will.
CHICKEN BIIIIBLEFantasy wrote:
Wake up. 🔥Ascendance wrote:
This isn't 2010 anymore. Wake up.
This is an important point and also a huge problem. People want their stuff quickly ranked and appreciated, they go for this safe approach even when they might not even like it themselves. That leads to a lot of generic mapping and no creativity. I like Ikazuchi or Avalon no Oka for having a different approach and that should definately happen more often, but how high are the chances? Yeah.Ascendance wrote:
[...] A map can be different and it will be ranked just fine. But that map should be QUALITY.
Hello. I'm someone who's experimented with different styles (Ikazuchi https://osu.ppy.sh/s/424208) and it took me much longer (11 pages of mods) to get it ranked. That should be obvious, something that is different will obviously need more mods to hit a rankable state. Compare that to something like my Nanairo Symphony (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/488149). The map got ranked in 4 mods because it follows a safe style of mapping.
Yes, methods of mapping are much cleaner and safer to rank than others, which is why you see them more. But NEVER can you say that different styles are "oppressed" or "looked down on". If you put in the time and effort to get something ranked, you will.
Avalon no oka is 2015 and i don't flamings mapper lol ? The only thing i blame is the PP system because he is bad. And i can enjoy PERFECTLY on a recent map ( ofc i prefer old mappings style but i don't hate the new map ), what is your problem Ascendance ? i don't understand your goalAscendance wrote:
Well really, I don't know what else to say. If you enjoy 2010 maps, play 2010 maps. Stop flaming mappers because they don't map things you like. Have you considered that maybe we want to map stuff that we enjoy sometimes?
Fuck mappers, buncha wankers.PakaChan wrote:
Learn to map and make your own shit.
sounds easy to mapPakaChan wrote:
Learn to map and make your own shit.
Well negri_sk only ranked map is layers of shit so I think it worked for him at least ...Rilene wrote:
sounds easy to mapPakaChan wrote:
Learn to map and make your own shit.
Plot twist: It is well having someone helping you when you start also help a lot (thanks drafura)RoseusJaeger wrote:
If only it was that simple...PakaChan wrote:
Learn to map and make your own shit.
wtb hitsounding tutorialRiari wrote:
There are plenty of people who currently map/mod who will feedback and help you if you ask, the hardest part of mapping is actually starting out.
