1. Hard (2.77 stars, 211 notes)
2. Insane (3.99 stars, 317 notes)
3. Normal (1.67 stars, 148 notes)

Ringating wrote:

I like the title of the song; it speaks to me on a personal level.

1. tags? no?

1. nothing i could find

1. 00:22:860 (1,2) - this could be curved better to be a better circle. they should be similar for better flow and its more aesthetically pleasing
2. 00:37:630 (1,2) - ^
3. 00:58:168 (2) - during this whole section, the reverse sliders have had 3 reverses. i dont see a reason to change it. 5 drum beats can be heard and it may cause confusion to have a bunch of kick sliders differing in length. change into a 3 reverse slider and remove 00:58:630 (3) - imo
4. 01:03:014 - this is a stronger beat and should be more emphasized than 01:02:553 - . try this rhythm? maybe have some weird looking slider at 01:03:014 and increase SV
   
   SPOILER

   
5. 01:07:630 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - some buildup would be nice. sliders have a bigger impact than hitcircles in this situation. maybe go from 3 hitcircles into 3 sliders? cuz hype goes down at 01:09:014 -

1. 00:26:322 - add note? for better parallelism with the note at 00:24:476 - since theyre the same
2. 00:35:322 (4) - this is a bit random in the design of the section. if you were making it opposite of 00:34:399 (2), you should remake by copy and pasting (2) and ctrl-g it. if not, maybe do something like the example below? it would also transition to the next pretty nicely too
   
   e.g.

   
3. 00:36:707 (7,1) - i get that youre trying to catch the vocals but i feel like there should really be a pause somewhere here. the constant flow of play doesnt fit the musis too well since it goes from soft to intense back to soft. that flow doesnt represent it going back to soft very well. i would turn 00:37:630 (1) into a hitcircle at 00:37:630 - and leave 00:38:091 - empty.
4. 00:45:245 (2) - move to (108,132) for better stream blanketing
5. 00:57:245 (6,7) - you should really stack these. having them unstacked can be very misleading and misrepresented. i thought that was a rhythm like 01:01:630 (1,2) and 00:52:399 (1,2) because these are the same type of.. things.. you know what i mean? like theyre both unstacked hitcircles all alone in the timeline. so its hard to differentiate.
6. 00:59:207 - up until now, youve been following drums and guitar. theres a pretty big guitar and drum hit right here. you can sort of catch it and still follow the vocals as you are now if you add a hitcircle at 00:59:207, which would be parallel with what you did at 01:03:015 (9,1). it also matches the jumps you have in that combo to have 1/4 spacing in the timeline
7. 01:11:207 (2,3) - same with these as stated before. but instead, based on the music, i would separate them far away instead of stacking them
8. 01:11:668 (4,5) - same^
9. 01:26:668 (5,6) - same ^
10. 01:29:668 (2,3,4,5) - AHHHH^^^^^^
11. 01:49:860 (4) - i would make this different from the rest since a different set of drum sounds are used here but it's not important or necessary
12. why does this partially feel like the same style i mapped the insane song this m4m is for.. lol

Kihhou wrote:

hihi! the m4m that i predict will happen here

[General]

1. tags? no? haven't thought of anything relevant. will be added eventually

[Normal]

1. nothing i could find woo

[Hard]

1. 00:22:860 (1,2) - this could be curved better to be a better circle. they should be similar for better flow and its more aesthetically pleasing done
2. 00:37:630 (1,2) - ^ ^
3. 00:58:168 (2) - during this whole section, the reverse sliders have had 3 reverses. i dont see a reason to change it. 5 drum beats can be heard and it may cause confusion to have a bunch of kick sliders differing in length. change into a 3 reverse slider and remove 00:58:630 (3) - imo was supposed to have 3 emphasizing the guitar line, but confusion prevention should be priority. change
4. 01:03:014 - this is a stronger beat and should be more emphasized than 01:02:553 - . try this rhythm? maybe have some weird looking slider at 01:03:014 and increase SV changed, but not to your example
   
   SPOILER

   
5. 01:07:630 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - some buildup would be nice. sliders have a bigger impact than hitcircles in this situation. maybe go from 3 hitcircles into 3 sliders? cuz hype goes down at 01:09:014 - i think this is fine currently. with the way you suggested there would be a slider tail on the downbeat and i don't want that

[Insane]

1. 00:26:322 - add note? for better parallelism with the note at 00:24:476 - since theyre the same i think you have the wrong timestamps... but i noticed something about parallelism a few seconds later in the song so i changed that
2. 00:35:322 (4) - this is a bit random in the design of the section. if you were making it opposite of 00:34:399 (2), you should remake by copy and pasting (2) and ctrl-g it. if not, maybe do something like the example below? it would also transition to the next pretty nicely too wasn't meant to be a reflection of 2 anyway, but i went with the 2nd option angled a bit more anyway :3
   
   e.g.

   
3. 00:36:707 (7,1) - i get that youre trying to catch the vocals but i feel like there should really be a pause somewhere here. the constant flow of play doesnt fit the musis too well since it goes from soft to intense back to soft. that flow doesnt represent it going back to soft very well. i would turn 00:37:630 (1) into a hitcircle at 00:37:630 - and leave 00:38:091 - empty. if i were to make that part empty, i'd have to do the same a little later in that combo to keep consistency and it sounds way too empty. so not doing that
4. 00:45:245 (2) - move to (108,132) for better stream blanketing does look better
5. 00:57:245 (6,7) - you should really stack these. having them unstacked can be very misleading and misrepresented. i thought that was a rhythm like 01:01:630 (1,2) and 00:52:399 (1,2) because these are the same type of.. things.. you know what i mean? like theyre both unstacked hitcircles all alone in the timeline. so its hard to differentiate. changed
6. 00:59:207 - up until now, youve been following drums and guitar. theres a pretty big guitar and drum hit right here. you can sort of catch it and still follow the vocals as you are now if you add a hitcircle at 00:59:207, which would be parallel with what you did at 01:03:015 (9,1). it also matches the jumps you have in that combo to have 1/4 spacing in the timeline i think that was a 3/4 slider at one point, but i made it shorter and didn't notice it became 1/2
7. 01:11:207 (2,3) - same with these as stated before. but instead, based on the music, i would separate them far away instead of stacking them changed
8. 01:11:668 (4,5) - same^ changed
9. 01:26:668 (5,6) - same ^ changed
10. 01:29:668 (2,3,4,5) - AHHHH^^^^^^ CHANGED ;-;
11. 01:49:860 (4) - i would make this different from the rest since a different set of drum sounds are used here but it's not important or necessary just a slightly lower pitch drum sound on the end of the last slider not really special worth changing
12. why does this partially feel like the same style i mapped the insane song this m4m is for.. lol

mm i didnt find much in hard or normal anyways. oh well good luck~ thanks :3

Justify wrote:

Here is my contribution for your map, hope it helps you out:

you might want to tag this song 16/18+ due to mild swearing yeah need to do that

normal

--normal---
00:35:783 (3,4,5) - triangulate these, similar to 00:24:707 (3,4,5) - changed
01:49:629 (6) - http://puu.sh/8RQnI/688b1bb25f.jpg rotate the slider like the picture and extend it a little changed. didn't notice i broke the zig zag pattern the old way

hard

---hard---
00:10:860 (5,6) - this should probably be a slider, the same as 00:09:476 (4) - but without the bounce. doesn't really fit very well so i kept it the same
00:50:553 (1) - This slider seems a bit anti-climatic, perhaps make it longer supposed to prepare player for DS change. modified location a bit, but keeping the same length
01:22:514 (2) - Moved this one tick forward to 01:22:630 (2) (I'm a little partial with these changes) yeah not changing that :3 blue tick crap is bad
01:48:245 (1,2,3) - offset these so it looks similar to 01:49:168 (5,6,7) - you are now educated on how stacks work so this is irrelevant :3

chatlogs where the mods were discussed:

SPOILER

2014-05-18 16:33 pishifat: tell me one thing at a time
2014-05-18 16:33 pishifat: and i reply saying whhat i think about it
2014-05-18 16:33 Justify: okay
2014-05-18 16:33 Justify: hard first
2014-05-18 16:33 pishifat: if you wanna be professional
2014-05-18 16:33 pishifat: do the /np thing
2014-05-18 16:33 pishifat: while you're editing hard
2014-05-18 16:33 Justify: eh
2014-05-18 16:33 Justify: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/423336 Pierce The Veil - May These Noises Startle You In Your Sleep Tonight [Normal]]
2014-05-18 16:33 Justify: fffff
2014-05-18 16:33 pishifat: wrong diff ||||||
2014-05-18 16:33 Justify: seems like we're doing normal first
2014-05-18 16:33 pishifat: lul k
2014-05-18 16:34 pishifat: just fyu
2014-05-18 16:34 Justify: 2 things
2014-05-18 16:34 Justify: first
2014-05-18 16:34 pishifat: fyi if i don't change anything you get no kudosu
2014-05-18 16:34 Justify: ok
2014-05-18 16:34 Justify: first thing
2014-05-18 16:34 Justify: 00:35:783 (3,4,5) - triangulate these, similar to 00:24:707 (3,4,5) -
2014-05-18 16:34 pishifat: from what i've seen first time modders who have never evne had their own maps modded don't get kudosu often
2014-05-18 16:35 pishifat: you are getting kudosu today
2014-05-18 16:35 pishifat: congrats
2014-05-18 16:36 Justify: yay
2014-05-18 16:36 Justify: second thing
2014-05-18 16:36 Justify: 01:49:629 (6) - http://puu.sh/8RQnI/688b1bb25f.jpg rotate the slider like the picture and extend it a little
2014-05-18 16:37 pishifat: i see what you mean
2014-05-18 16:37 Justify: it keeps the flow towards the end, the slider before made it a little anticlimatic
2014-05-18 16:37 pishifat: i changed it
2014-05-18 16:37 pishifat: but not to exactly that
2014-05-18 16:37 Justify: fair enough
2014-05-18 16:38 pishifat: http://gyazo.com/7ff751a2525cc92700cfa95dae11dc11
2014-05-18 16:38 pishifat: just the opposite directoin
2014-05-18 16:38 pishifat: since ive got a zig zag thing going from 01:47:322 (2) - to the end
2014-05-18 16:38 Justify: i would have made it the same length as 00:35:783 (3,4) - but i dont know how to edit slider time
2014-05-18 16:38 pishifat: well it's a 3/4 slider
2014-05-18 16:38 pishifat: so it wouldn't be the same length as a 4/4 slider
2014-05-18 16:38 Justify: okay the zig zag works
2014-05-18 16:39 pishifat: i think i will change that though
2014-05-18 16:39 pishifat: cuz it looks pretty weird being a different length
2014-05-18 16:39 Justify: yea thats what i mean
2014-05-18 16:40 pishifat: [http://i.gyazo.com/5828d88d167ac2047352f6d65178cfda.png beauty achieved]
2014-05-18 16:40 Justify: its a nice slider
2014-05-18 16:40 Justify: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/423335 Pierce The Veil - May These Noises Startle You In Your Sleep Tonight [Hard]]
2014-05-18 16:40 pishifat: lesgo
2014-05-18 16:40 Justify: 00:10:860 (5) - 00:11:322 (6) - this should probably be a slider, the same as 00:09:476 (4) - but without the bounce.
2014-05-18 16:41 pishifat: btw you can select mroe than one note at a time
2014-05-18 16:41 pishifat: like 00:10:860 (5,6) -
2014-05-18 16:41 pishifat: so you don't have to do both separately
2014-05-18 16:41 Justify: yea i know
2014-05-18 16:42 Justify: i learnt that after i modded that little part, couldnt be bothered changing it
2014-05-18 16:42 pishifat: and slider looks like crap
2014-05-18 16:42 pishifat: since it's between 2 other sliders
2014-05-18 16:42 pishifat: and i've got that sort of blanket thing with the curve in 4
2014-05-18 16:42 Justify: it just doesnt seem to work well with 2 circles
2014-05-18 16:42 pishifat: why's that
2014-05-18 16:43 Justify: the song goes down in key
2014-05-18 16:43 Justify: at that particular section anyway
2014-05-18 16:44 pishifat: don't see what a slider would do for that though...
2014-05-18 16:45 Justify: 00:50:553 (1) - This slider seems a bit anti-climatic, perhaps make it longer
2014-05-18 16:45 Justify: it just seems like after that, theres just a space with no notes in it
2014-05-18 16:46 pishifat: intention was to prepare people for new spacing
2014-05-18 16:46 pishifat: since spacing increases a bit at that point as you already know
2014-05-18 16:47 Justify: the thing with this mod
2014-05-18 16:47 Justify: or note
2014-05-18 16:47 Justify: it seems very weird
2014-05-18 16:47 Justify: 01:22:514 (2) - Moved this one tick forward to 01:22:630 (2) - OR 01:22:572 (2) - (I'm a little partial with these changes)
2014-05-18 16:47 Justify: seems out of place
2014-05-18 16:48 pishifat: what is the second option there
2014-05-18 16:48 pishifat: on 1/8
2014-05-18 16:48 pishifat: wut
2014-05-18 16:48 Justify: just experimenting with timings
2014-05-18 16:48 pishifat: it comes directly on the 1/4 so no way i'm putting it there
2014-05-18 16:49 Justify: alright
2014-05-18 16:49 pishifat: and there's no note in the music on that first option either
2014-05-18 16:49 Justify: 01:23:207 (4) - This seems a little weird, so instead I removed it and replaced it with 01:23:207 (4) - 01:23:322 (5) - like this: http://puu.sh/8ROc9/1f7b6ec6d2.jpg
2014-05-18 16:49 pishifat: that 4 and 5
2014-05-18 16:49 pishifat: is that a double
2014-05-18 16:50 Justify: no
2014-05-18 16:50 pishifat: i dunno where notes are landing since you didn't screencap the timeline :/
2014-05-18 16:50 Justify: same points as the start of the slider and the end point
2014-05-18 16:50 pishifat: so it's a double
2014-05-18 16:51 pishifat: two notes on consecutive 1/4 beats = double
2014-05-18 16:51 Justify: o
2014-05-18 16:51 Justify: i guess so, yes
2014-05-18 16:51 pishifat: and are also frowned upon in hard difficulties for being too difficult
2014-05-18 16:51 Justify: -_-
2014-05-18 16:51 Justify: 01:48:245 (1,2,3) - offset these so it looks similar to 01:49:168 (5,6,7) -
2014-05-18 16:51 pishifat: if you've seen them in a hard i may consider though
2014-05-18 16:52 Justify: i havent ever payed this much attention to a beatmap before
2014-05-18 16:52 pishifat: lol makes sense
2014-05-18 16:52 Justify: so i couldnt give you an example
2014-05-18 16:52 pishifat: also i dunno if you k now how stacking works
2014-05-18 16:52 pishifat: but those 3 notes on top of each otehr look different ingame
2014-05-18 16:52 Justify: i dont
2014-05-18 16:53 Justify: i just say this because when I play HD i usually miss notes that are stacked like that
2014-05-18 16:53 pishifat: when you put notes on top of each otehr
2014-05-18 16:53 Justify: especially after sliders
2014-05-18 16:53 pishifat: they look like this ingame http://gyazo.com/36a2c134366ed8f3bf416d68c61297ee
2014-05-18 16:53 Justify: ah
2014-05-18 16:53 pishifat: after sliders they don't stack very well
2014-05-18 16:53 pishifat: which is why i don't do that
2014-05-18 16:53 Justify: good
2014-05-18 16:54 Justify: and im done
2014-05-18 16:54 Justify: first mod woo yay]

Winek wrote:

no kudosu

2014-05-23 21:02 Winek: hihiiiii
2014-05-23 21:03 pishifat: yo
2014-05-23 21:05 Winek: would you mind if we mod your map via IRC? ^^
2014-05-23 21:05 pishifat: would be fine
2014-05-23 21:05 pishifat: i've got maybe an hour
2014-05-23 21:05 Winek: ok /np your map
2014-05-23 21:05 pishifat: ACTION is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/422580 Pierce The Veil - May These Noises Startle You In Your Sleep Tonight]
2014-05-23 21:06 Winek: http://puu.sh/8YhqJ/b5cd3d14a4.png
2014-05-23 21:06 Winek: y u do tiz
2014-05-23 21:07 pishifat: firetrucks
2014-05-23 21:07 Winek: xD
2014-05-23 21:07 Winek: btw just a lil thing on your mod on my map
2014-05-23 21:07 Winek: Lunatic is meant to be Insane for touhou maps
2014-05-23 21:08 Winek: wow wait are u sure you want to m4m with that map? drain time is much lower than mine's.
2014-05-23 21:08 pishifat: a lot of touhou maps have both lunatic and insane from what i've seen
2014-05-23 21:08 pishifat: and lunatic >
2014-05-23 21:08 pishifat: i didn't mod too much on yours
2014-05-23 21:08 Winek: yeah it's because it feel bad to have "Lunatic" "X's Lunatic" "Poop's Lunatic"
2014-05-23 21:08 Winek: sometime they just add insane
2014-05-23 21:09 Winek: ok lets start with normal
2014-05-23 21:09 pishifat: kay
2014-05-23 21:09 Winek: ok, wait for your offset
2014-05-23 21:10 Winek: 00:08:091 - should be here but
2014-05-23 21:10 Winek: i guess its ok
2014-05-23 21:10 Winek: since there's a note before
2014-05-23 21:10 pishifat: i had it there, just moved it back for the spinner
2014-05-23 21:10 Winek: ye
2014-05-23 21:12 Winek: hmm
2014-05-23 21:13 pishifat: ...yes? :3
2014-05-23 21:13 Winek: wait wait
2014-05-23 21:15 Winek: ACTION examinating the map
2014-05-23 21:15 pishifat: lul
2014-05-23 21:15 pishifat: while you do that
2014-05-23 21:15 pishifat: i'll go to the restroom :3
2014-05-23 21:15 Winek: nope
2014-05-23 21:15 Winek: 00:04:399 (1) -
2014-05-23 21:16 Winek: the first spinner should end at 00:08:091 -
2014-05-23 21:16 Winek: removing 00:08:091 (1) -
2014-05-23 21:16 pishifat: so... a passive spinner
2014-05-23 21:16 pishifat: doesn't sound like a good idea
2014-05-23 21:16 Winek: well half-cuted sounds bad
2014-05-23 21:17 Winek: since you're ignoring all the sound around 00:07:630 -
2014-05-23 21:17 Winek: but not inside the spinner
2014-05-23 21:17 pishifat: 00:07:630
2014-05-23 21:17 pishifat: i could move it to end there
2014-05-23 21:18 pishifat: since there's some sort of emphasis thing on that note
2014-05-23 21:18 pishifat: i dunno if you can hear it
2014-05-23 21:18 Winek: yeah
2014-05-23 21:18 pishifat: having the first strong sound on a map be the end of a spinner is not something i'm going to do though
2014-05-23 21:19 Winek: well the spinner is creating problem tho
2014-05-23 21:19 Winek: so if it was me i'd rather delete it
2014-05-23 21:20 Winek: but yeah do like you want
2014-05-23 21:20 Winek: anyway, 00:08:091 (1) - I just don't see where you get that shape www
2014-05-23 21:20 pishifat: i'll think about it. i've got spinners like that one on all 3 diffs
2014-05-23 21:21 pishifat: hmm... well i just made it like it is so that it's not too far away from the spinner and it's pointing upwards
2014-05-23 21:22 pishifat: the usual long single-curve didn't look too good when i first put it in
2014-05-23 21:23 Winek: http://puu.sh/8YiJg/edfd9e1061.jpg
2014-05-23 21:24 pishifat: kay i've done something si milar
2014-05-23 21:25 pishifat: except having hte end of 1 be in the center of the grid
2014-05-23 21:25 Winek: yeah
2014-05-23 21:27 Winek: ok wot next
2014-05-23 21:28 pishifat: you're supposed to tell me that lol
2014-05-23 21:28 Winek: >3<
2014-05-23 21:32 Winek: 01:03:476 (1,2) -
2014-05-23 21:33 Winek: a bad polarity issue and very hard to dinstinguis wheter starting on 1/1 or 1/2
2014-05-23 21:33 pishifat: so put a note on the white tick before?
2014-05-23 21:33 Winek: yeah i guess
2014-05-23 21:34 pishifat: done then
2014-05-23 21:34 Winek: ok
2014-05-23 21:39 Winek: brb just 10 min
2014-05-23 21:39 pishifat: mkay
2014-05-23 21:49 Winek: ok im bacxk sorry for waitin
2014-05-23 21:49 pishifat: np
2014-05-23 21:49 pishifat: i got to use the bathroom
2014-05-23 21:50 Winek: okok
2014-05-23 21:52 Winek: 00:20:091 (1,2,3) -
2014-05-23 21:52 Winek: its your opinion about the hitsounds, but i'd rather remove it
2014-05-23 21:52 Winek: 00:45:014 (1,2,3,4,5) - likely it feels good here
2014-05-23 21:52 pishifat: sounds a lot better in the insane diff
2014-05-23 21:54 pishifat: yeah i'm keeping it how it is to emphasize the 1/2 beat stuff more
2014-05-23 21:54 pishifat: feels wrong with soft
2014-05-23 21:54 Winek: ok
2014-05-23 21:54 pishifat: sounds wrong, not feels
2014-05-23 21:54 Winek: yeah lol
2014-05-23 21:54 Winek: blame my frenchiness
2014-05-23 21:55 Winek: 00:55:399 (6) -
2014-05-23 21:55 pishifat: i thoguht it was right too for a minute
2014-05-23 21:55 pishifat: i took 3 years of french in high school so i also think in fractured french sometimes -.-
2014-05-23 21:55 Winek: i learned how to read at 2 years old
2014-05-23 21:56 Winek: ACTION runs
2014-05-23 21:56 Winek: blame asperger
2014-05-23 21:56 pishifat: lul
2014-05-23 21:56 pishifat: so what abotu this 6
2014-05-23 21:57 Winek: hlafing the slider and adding a circle afterwhat would sounds better
2014-05-23 21:57 Winek: http://puu.sh/8Ylpi/c2100bb22c.jpg
2014-05-23 21:58 pishifat: would that not be too hard with that many notes next to each other?
2014-05-23 21:59 Winek: hmm
2014-05-23 21:59 Winek: or maybe a reverse arrow?
2014-05-23 22:00 pishifat: i do like that more
2014-05-23 22:01 Winek: yeah
2014-05-23 22:04 Winek: aack
2014-05-23 22:04 Winek: im a bit busy, brb again ><
2014-05-23 22:10 Winek: OK BACK
2014-05-23 22:10 Winek: soz its my mom
2014-05-23 22:11 pishifat: it's k
2014-05-23 22:11 Winek: 00:58:630 (7) - you're ignoring a sound here, you could add a note?
2014-05-23 22:12 pishifat: where
2014-05-23 22:12 pishifat: there is a note there o.o
2014-05-23 22:12 Winek: 00:58:630
2014-05-23 22:12 pishifat: oh asdf
2014-05-23 22:12 Winek: 00:58:630 -
2014-05-23 22:12 Winek: lel i added a note
2014-05-23 22:12 pishifat: yeah osu selected 00:58:860 (7) - for me
2014-05-23 22:13 pishifat: so i assumed thats' wehre you were talking about
2014-05-23 22:13 Winek: lol
2014-05-23 22:13 pishifat: yeah note added
2014-05-23 22:13 pishifat: well slider end added
2014-05-23 22:17 Winek: im so slow ><
2014-05-23 22:18 pishifat: good thing osu is windowed so i can do other stuff while waiting :3
2014-05-23 22:18 Winek: 01:18:245 (1,2) - polarity issue
2014-05-23 22:19 pishifat: how would you say to fix that
2014-05-23 22:19 pishifat: since there's no real noise at the white tick prior
2014-05-23 22:19 pishifat: adding a note there would be bad
2014-05-23 22:20 Winek: hmm
2014-05-23 22:20 Winek: 01:18:245 (1) -
2014-05-23 22:20 Winek: try making it like this slider 01:21:014 (5) -
2014-05-23 22:21 Winek: should fix polarity issue
2014-05-23 22:24 pishifat: kay, got it
2014-05-23 22:24 Winek: 01:26:091 (2) - pls this slider shape
2014-05-23 22:26 pishifat:
2014-05-23 22:26 pishifat: i didn't think it was too bad, but changed
2014-05-23 22:26 Winek: lel
2014-05-23 22:42 Winek: >>>><<<<<
2014-05-23 22:42 pishifat: wat
2014-05-23 22:43 Winek: nufing
2014-05-23 22:43 Winek: rest looks fine
2014-05-23 22:43 Winek: lets go to hard :>
2014-05-23 22:43 pishifat: k
2014-05-23 22:45 Winek: ok ill start with slider shape/placement/shits
2014-05-23 22:46 Winek: 00:36:707 (6) - the shape is okay, but what the hell did you intend to do here? o.o
2014-05-23 22:46 pishifat: the vocalist is screaming
2014-05-23 22:47 pishifat: emphasizing that
2014-05-23 22:47 Winek: ok i see
2014-05-23 22:47 Winek: 00:42:245 (2) -
2014-05-23 22:47 Winek: http://puu.sh/8Yp5e/f1a12d5987.jpg
2014-05-23 22:47 Winek: maybe the pattern will be slighty better?
2014-05-23 22:48 Winek: and btw to be honest 00:51:476 (2) - looks a bit weirddd
2014-05-23 22:48 pishifat: changed
2014-05-23 22:48 pishifat: it's supposed to look weird :3
2014-05-23 22:49 pishifat: http://puu.sh/8Ypcb.jpg
2014-05-23 22:49 pishifat: would that be better?
2014-05-23 22:50 Winek: hmm
2014-05-23 22:50 Winek: a bit more to the right
2014-05-23 22:50 Winek: and it should be perfect
2014-05-23 22:50 Winek: coz right now it looks all overlapped
2014-05-23 22:50 pishifat: kay
2014-05-23 22:57 Winek: 01:21:014 (3) -
2014-05-23 22:57 Winek: dunno if it's rankable btw since it wriggles
2014-05-23 22:57 pishifat: what's so bad about that
2014-05-23 22:57 pishifat: well, what makes it unrankable is a better question
2014-05-23 22:58 Winek: there are new rules about this
2014-05-23 22:58 Winek: like changing speed of slider with alot of double anchor to make it slow down
2014-05-23 22:59 Winek: you''ll ask a BAT
2014-05-23 22:59 Winek: now onward
2014-05-23 22:59 Winek: 01:23:207 (4,5) -
2014-05-23 22:59 pishifat: i think that would apply to sdomething more like http://gyazo.com/ada94b0b8546650efc2d08d6b9d2b2ab
2014-05-23 22:59 Winek: the distance bth pls
2014-05-23 23:00 pishifat: oops
2014-05-23 23:00 pishifat: fixed
2014-05-23 23:00 Winek: lel
2014-05-23 23:01 Winek: is it just me or like most of your note start on 1/4
2014-05-23 23:01 pishifat: the song is like that
2014-05-23 23:01 Winek: well if you want so
2014-05-23 23:01 pishifat: the downbeats are in sync, but in the middle it has guitar stuff on 1/4
2014-05-23 23:02 Winek: kk
2014-05-23 23:02 Winek: 01:33:014 (1) -
2014-05-23 23:02 Winek: try rotate 45' selection center clockwise
2014-05-23 23:02 Winek: create a nice pattern with 01:33:014 (1,2,3) -
2014-05-23 23:04 pishifat: to make a triangle thing
2014-05-23 23:04 pishifat: got it
2014-05-23 23:04 Winek: 01:48:245 (1,2,3) -
2014-05-23 23:04 Winek: make as similar as 01:49:168 (5,6,7) - ?
2014-05-23 23:05 Winek: wojuld have mroe contanthingy
2014-05-23 23:05 pishifat: it's going into that stack from 01:48:014 (6) -
2014-05-23 23:05 pishifat: then going into the other stack at another angle
2014-05-23 23:05 pishifat: that's why they're different
2014-05-23 23:05 Winek: k
2014-05-23 23:06 Winek: oh lemme ask about the hentai slider shape at a BAT
2014-05-23 23:06 pishifat: lolk
2014-05-23 23:09 Winek: http://puu.sh/8YquF/4e2356cd54.jpg
2014-05-23 23:09 pishifat:
2014-05-23 23:09 pishifat: will change then
2014-05-23 23:10 Winek: xD
2014-05-23 23:11 pishifat: changed 00:51:476 (2) - to have less of the wiggle thing also
2014-05-23 23:11 Winek: good boi
2014-05-23 23:13 Winek: lets be frendzzz
2014-05-23 23:13 pishifat: uh.. sure?
2014-05-23 23:13 Winek:
2014-05-23 23:15 pishifat: you find some mod stuff, i'll brb in like 10 mintues
2014-05-23 23:16 Winek: ok ill go to insan
2014-05-23 23:16 pishifat: gl :3
2014-05-23 23:26 pishifat: aaaaaaaaand back
2014-05-23 23:26 pishifat: exactly 10 minutes woo
2014-05-23 23:26 Winek: lol
2014-05-23 23:27 pishifat: so what did you find?
2014-05-23 23:27 pishifat: (hopefully nothing)
2014-05-23 23:27 Winek: lol
2014-05-23 23:28 Winek: i found...
2014-05-23 23:28 Winek: ok let me test the diff once before.
2014-05-23 23:29 Winek: 00:58:861 (8) - btw
2014-05-23 23:29 Winek: I SUCK
2014-05-23 23:30 pishifat: fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
2014-05-23 23:30 Winek: hue
2014-05-23 23:30 Winek: 00:11:784 (1,2) -
2014-05-23 23:31 Winek: you could try makking them both perfectly identical
2014-05-23 23:31 pishifat: sure
2014-05-23 23:33 Winek: 00:29:322 (7) - same goes for this one who could be slighty more curved to fit in better with the previous note
2014-05-23 23:33 pishifat: k
2014-05-23 23:41 Winek: im so slow finding stuff >>>>
2014-05-23 23:41 Winek: 00:33:015 (7) -
2014-05-23 23:42 Winek: you could try making a prettier curve
2014-05-23 23:42 pishifat: i'll just copy 00:32:092 (6) -
2014-05-23 23:42 Winek: yeah y not
2014-05-23 23:53 Winek: i should finish soonnn
2014-05-23 23:53 Winek: or can we finish insane another day, since i need to sleep soon
2014-05-23 23:53 pishifat: whatever you want
2014-05-23 23:53 pishifat: i was playing other maps and forgot my map was even being modded lol
2014-05-23 23:54 Winek: loel
2014-05-23 23:54 Winek: ok gnight
2014-05-23 23:54 pishifat: enjoy sleep things
2014-05-23 23:55 Winek: "sleep things"
2014-05-23 23:55 Winek: hmm
2014-05-23 23:55 Winek: my mind went perverted when hearing this all of a sudden.. hmm
2014-05-26 22:12 pishifat: yoooo are you ever gonna finish that mod?
2014-05-26 22:12 pishifat: or post it at least
2014-05-26 22:13 Winek: lol yah i forgot
2014-05-26 22:13 Winek: can we finish it now? ^^
2014-05-26 22:13 Winek: i hate thread mod its too boring and i get easily distracted
2014-05-26 22:13 pishifat: now is good :3
2014-05-26 22:14 Winek: ok np map coz im lazy to searchh
2014-05-26 22:14 pishifat: ACTION is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/422580 Pierce The Veil - May These Noises Startle You In Your Sleep Tonight]
2014-05-26 22:14 pishifat: i updated since last time
2014-05-26 22:14 pishifat: so there shouldn't be any repeats
2014-05-26 22:14 Winek: t2m
2014-05-26 22:15 pishifat: is that time2mod
2014-05-26 22:15 pishifat: do people say that... lol
2014-05-26 22:15 Winek: lolyes
2014-05-26 22:16 pishifat: i'll keep that in mind
2014-05-26 22:16 pishifat: but never say it
2014-05-26 22:16 Winek: ok first obvious thing that i see..
2014-05-26 22:16 Winek: 00:21:015 (6,7,8) -
2014-05-26 22:16 Winek: why does distance change only for this note?
2014-05-26 22:16 pishifat: insane right
2014-05-26 22:16 Winek: yes
2014-05-26 22:17 Winek: 00:17:322 (4,1) -
2014-05-26 22:17 pishifat: moving distances from slider ends = easier
2014-05-26 22:17 pishifat: so spacing is more
2014-05-26 22:17 Winek: so spacing is more what
2014-05-26 22:18 pishifat: it's more natural moving that distance when it's a slider end compared to circles
2014-05-26 22:18 pishifat: cuz you've got that area that you can move while sliding you know
2014-05-26 22:18 Winek: well yeah if you want
2014-05-26 22:19 pishifat: it's hard to explain but it makes sense in my mind
2014-05-26 22:19 pishifat: [http://i.gyazo.com/9e5c00a519cf774cecbe0a6c420c17b5.png the grey circle is like distance spacing from previous note]
2014-05-26 22:19 Winek: yes i understand
2014-05-26 22:20 pishifat: k cool
2014-05-26 22:20 pishifat: also i fixed that wtf slider
2014-05-26 22:20 Winek: yes that wtf slider
2014-05-26 22:21 Winek: 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) -
2014-05-26 22:21 pishifat: o.o
2014-05-26 22:21 Winek: 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) - 00:36:707 (7) -
2014-05-26 22:21 Winek:
2014-05-26 22:22 pishifat: it's a shame those aren't rankable
2014-05-26 22:22 Winek: yep
2014-05-26 22:22 pishifat: cuz they are so much better than just a normal looking slider
2014-05-26 22:23 Winek: bblame that guy who said that
2014-05-26 22:24 Winek: 00:38:553 (2) - maybe you could have a shape like 00:37:630 (1) , since currently it looks a bit unconsistent..
2014-05-26 22:24 Winek: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
2014-05-26 22:24 Winek: 00:38:553 (2) - maybe you could have a shape like 00:37:630 (1) - , since currently it looks a bit unconsistent..
2014-05-26 22:26 pishifat: was thinking it was supposed to bring out that vocalist screamed a word
2014-05-26 22:26 pishifat: but i'll change it anyway
2014-05-26 22:26 Winek: 00:40:168 (5) - do you hear something here?
2014-05-26 22:26 Winek: i dont anyway
2014-05-26 22:27 pishifat: umm
2014-05-26 22:27 pishifat: the guy says something there
2014-05-26 22:27 Winek: 00:39:707 -
2014-05-26 22:27 Winek: then add a note here as well
2014-05-26 22:28 pishifat: screw you and your logic
2014-05-26 22:28 pishifat: changing ;-;
2014-05-26 22:29 Winek: DD
2014-05-26 22:32 Winek: hmm
2014-05-26 22:33 Winek: 00:58:168 (2,3,4,5,6) -
2014-05-26 22:33 Winek: 1/8 stream wow
2014-05-26 22:33 pishifat: wutaboutit
2014-05-26 22:33 pishifat: 1/8 isn't that fast at this bpm if that's what you're worried about
2014-05-26 22:34 Winek: 130 pls
2014-05-26 22:34 Winek: 01:15:361 (4) - maybe you could improcve the shape a bit, since the double anchor completely overmap the slider itself
2014-05-26 22:34 Winek: fuk grammar
2014-05-26 22:35 pishifat: an overmapped slider wat
2014-05-26 22:35 Winek: waiiiit
2014-05-26 22:36 Winek: retardedd puush
2014-05-26 22:37 Winek: y u no work
2014-05-26 22:37 Winek: http://puu.sh/92CYn/3c661e0c43.jpg
2014-05-26 22:37 Winek: i mean the tail of the slider overlap the slider body
2014-05-26 22:37 Winek: 01:21:014 (3) - obviously you are very creative
2014-05-26 22:37 Winek: i like the shape
2014-05-26 22:38 pishifat: if you're telling me that's unrankable i will ragequit right now ;-;
2014-05-26 22:39 Winek: lol its not sarcasm
2014-05-26 22:39 Winek: i like it for real
2014-05-26 22:39 Winek: BUT ITS UNRANKABLEEEE
2014-05-26 22:39 pishifat: also i've seen 01:15:361 (4) - in a lot of recently ranked maps so i don't see the problem :/
2014-05-26 22:39 Winek: iits just my personal opinion
2014-05-26 22:39 Winek: 01:15:361 (4) -
2014-05-26 22:39 Winek: its not unrankable
2014-05-26 22:39 pishifat: mkay
2014-05-26 22:40 pishifat: well i'm keeping it since it's the best way to make a quick upward turn without a stupid slider
2014-05-26 22:40 Winek: k
2014-05-26 22:40 Winek: 01:21:014 (3) - unrankable redo everything restart the map graveyard
2014-05-26 22:41 pishifat: k
2014-05-26 22:41 pishifat: mission accomplished
2014-05-26 22:41 Winek: lllll ragequit
2014-05-26 22:45 Winek: brb a sec
2014-05-26 22:45 pishifat: k
2014-05-26 22:56 pishifat: [http://gyazo.com/ef76cec2be9c6e2ec72b4852b5cebad8 from a map that got ranked 2 days ago -.-]
2014-05-26 22:56 Winek: wadeheckk
2014-05-26 22:56 Winek: its not me
2014-05-26 22:56 Winek: they bgroke the rulesszz
2014-05-26 22:56 Winek: lazy BATs
2014-05-26 23:00 Winek: ok lets finish fast i need to pla eosd
2014-05-26 23:01 Winek: 01:36:014 (4) - you shouldnt ignore the 2 beat around this note
2014-05-26 23:02 Winek: like look at 01:36:245 (5,6,7,8) -
2014-05-26 23:03 pishifat: lazy bats
2014-05-26 23:03 pishifat: a bat made this map ||||||||
2014-05-26 23:05 pishifat: i think it's fine as it is there
2014-05-26 23:05 Winek: there, where?
2014-05-26 23:06 Winek: anyway a BAT himself told me its not rankable
2014-05-26 23:06 pishifat: 01:36:014 (4) -
2014-05-26 23:06 pishifat: this thing i mean
2014-05-26 23:06 pishifat: i thought that was fine as is with the space around it
2014-05-26 23:06 Winek: but then its unconsistent at 01:36:706 (7,8) -
2014-05-26 23:07 pishifat: there was just a stream with a bunch of cirlce spam so i don't want to continue the circle spam once it gets less intense
2014-05-26 23:07 Winek: and consistenciiii
2014-05-26 23:08 pishifat: but but but
2014-05-26 23:08 Winek: CONSISTENTTTTT FIRSST PRIORITYYY
2014-05-26 23:10 Winek: about than this everything looks fine
2014-05-26 23:10 Winek: no kds since my mod is shit kthxbei
2014-05-26 23:10 pishifat: k fine i will change things
2014-05-26 23:10 Winek:
2014-05-26 23:10 pishifat: you don't deserve any anyway ;-;
2014-05-26 23:11 Winek: wow r00d
2014-05-26 23:11 pishifat: tr00th
2014-05-26 23:11 pishifat: now post logs
2014-05-26 23:11 Winek: but i dont deserve kds
2014-05-26 23:12 pishifat: bats can break rules so can i
2014-05-26 23:12 Winek: lel

pishifat wrote:

my mouse moved on its own i swear

1. background looks fine, but combo colours don't really match with it that well (imo)
   try to find better ones? (replace green with some dark orange eg or use some white colour, it goes well with the landscape!)

1. 00:11:783 (1) - use rotated version of 00:09:937 (3) - maybe? it does look a bit out of place
   comparison

   
   
2. 00:11:783 (1,2,3,4) - a non-zigzag pattern would match the song here better, imo
   cause the part is still rather calm and relaxing, so it'd work better if it flows nicely
   example

   
   that way 3 doesn't overlap with 00:15:476 (1) - too!
3. 00:40:399 (5,2) - hmh, this overlap is meh, as well. >< (just doesn't look good to me, sorry!)
   try to move one of them so they don't overlap?
4. 00:44:091 (4) - you can improve the flow here a lot if you create a circle with 00:43:168 (3) - and 00:45:014 (1) -
   screen

   
   (try to follow the way the previous slider indicate. this pattern for example looks great, but the actual movement feels unnatural. it'd feel more natural if you use the circle pattern from above or let the sliders move like this - http://puu.sh/9kTF9/e2b5b88231.png c: )
5. 01:02:553 (6,1) - I know you just blanketed this, but I'd prefer if you move the circle somewhere else, so it doesn't overlap that much (144|232?)
   it's totally okay, but cause this is the easiest difficulty you should try to make it a tiny little bit easier than the average Normal diff, to make sure that even beginner players don't fail that hard. >: (beginners wanna play your map too..!)
   and overlaps are really hard to read for them. s:
6. 01:10:860 (1,2,3,4) - make this a perfect square? move 2 to 144|240 and 3 to 232|244 :3

1. 00:19:630 - I miss an object here, preferably a slider like 00:20:091 (1) -
2. 00:25:630 (5) - you can emphasize the downbeat on the slidertail better if you split this slider up
   suggestion

   
3. 01:12:707 (1,2) - I noticed before and I think there are more slider like this afterwards, too. - they might look better if you snap the red anchor to the blue tick. sliders usually look more "balanced" that way, but that's totally up to you, ofc! :3
4. 01:19:399 (2,3,4) - I'm not entirely sure of these anti-jumps fit here. they don't match the beat or the vocals.. so meh. not sure, ask some more people about this, please. c:

1. AR looks a bit high to me.. :\ hmh, not sure. ask for more opinions here..
2. 00:36:707 (7) - replace this slider with more objects, maybe? so it follows the beats better
3. 00:51:476 (1) - wow. now this is really confusing. maybe too confusing, buuut keep it for now. <:
4. 00:59:322 (9,10) - copy-paste one shape, please! don't use two different ones! :3

1. Have the timing offset start at the same point as your first object, 00:02:553

1. This looks more like an easy...the spacing is too close and sliders are too slow. It gets hard to read when everything is so close to each other so you should increase the spacing and slider speed.
2. 00:41:783 (2,3) - drag the end point of (3) out to blanket better

1. 00:29:322 (4,1) - blanket these
2. 00:36:707 (7) - no need for so many slider points; they make it look ugly
3. 00:54:245 (1) - 00:58:860 (3) - ^
4. 01:05:322 (1,2,3) - the drum is still going on the ticks that are empty. make both the sliders repeat once more and move them closer.
5. 01:40:860 (1,2,3,4) - ^
6. 01:48:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^
7. 01:19:399 (2) - new combo this because it's so far away
8. 01:20:091 (1,3) - if you want to blanket this properly, drag the middle point out and the red point closer
9. 01:48:245 (1,2,3,5,6,7) - the first set is completely stacked and the second is spaced apart, make em consistent

1. 00:45:938 (4) - get rid of the red slider point, this slider doesn't need it for anything
2. 00:47:783 (7) - same here. you don't need fancy sliders here. they're not long enough and your other sliders aren't twisted like these two.
3. 00:52:399 (1,2,3) - this spacing is for 1/2 circles in the first half. the speed of the song just barely changed here, so spacing 1/4 circles like that might still make them look like 1/2 circles. put them closer for the first few seconds and then space them out in a later part once the player is used to them.
4. 00:55:860 (8,1) - this is too far for a circle to be right after a 1/4 slider
5. 00:58:168 (2,3,4,5,6) - a 1/8 stream at 130 bpm is a 260 bpm stream, which is too fast and not conventional. people don't do streams of hit circles at 1/8 beat apart if the song is much more than 100 bpm. replace with a 1/8 repeating slider.
6. 00:58:861 (8) - this slider can look nicer. i don't think you need more than 3 slider points, just a simple curve is enough.
7. 00:59:553 (10,1) - circle is also way too far for a 1/4 beat
8. 01:10:861 (1,2) - ^
9. 01:14:553 (1,2) - ^
10. 01:18:015 (8,1) - ^
11. 01:19:399 (2) - new combo to help with the hp drain
12. 01:21:014 (3,1) - give at least 1/2 beat before a stream
13. 01:24:592 (4,6) - you can blanket this or at least make sure they don't overlap
14. 01:44:321 (4,1) - 01:44:782 (3,4) - 01:45:244 (6,1) - 01:45:706 (3,4) - ^
15. you're a rank <10k player so you made a lot of parts hard but overall this difficulty is gonna be played by 20k-40k players and they don't see stuff like hit circles so far from 1/4 sliders