20:26 Zero__wind: hello Vincent, am I too late again?
20:31 [Vincent]: oh i'm in a cs game
20:31 [Vincent]: but i can mod at the same time
20:31 [Vincent]: ;D
20:34 Zero__wind: lol that's pro
20:34 [Vincent]: haha
20:35 Zero__wind: won't take you much time I suppose
20:35 Zero__wind: jsut some missing hitsounds and minor stuff
20:36 [Vincent]: alright
20:36 Zero__wind: are you ready then?
20:36 *Zero__wind is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/420793 Primary - fragile garden [Insane]]
20:37 [Vincent]: yeah
20:37 [Vincent]: i'll mgiht be afk in like 2 min intervals
20:37 [Vincent]: i might be*
20:37 [Vincent]: if im in a round
20:37 Zero__wind: fine
20:37 [Vincent]: i can still mod thoguh
20:38 Zero__wind: ok let's do this then
20:38 Zero__wind: Isane diff first
20:38 Zero__wind: 00:07:754 (5) - NC?
20:38 Zero__wind: like 00:02:268 (1) -
20:39 [Vincent]: hmm
20:39 [Vincent]: should i do 4?
20:39 [Vincent]: or 5
20:39 Zero__wind: 5 I think?
20:39 [Vincent]: alright did it
20:39 [Vincent]: yeah i did 5
20:39 Zero__wind: cause from that beat, the rhythm gets less intense
20:40 Zero__wind: good
20:40 Zero__wind: 00:16:325 (3,4,5,6) -
20:40 Zero__wind: move the claps from 4&6 to 3&5 ?
20:40 Zero__wind: I think it will fit the music better
20:41 [Vincent]: yep
20:41 [Vincent]: my mistake
20:41 Zero__wind: 01:33:811 (1) - missign clap on head I think
20:41 Zero__wind: you did it at 01:28:325 (1) -
20:42 [Vincent]: yeah
20:42 Zero__wind: 01:44:782 (3) - maybe use sof finish addition?
20:42 [Vincent]: fixed
20:42 [Vincent]: oh shit
20:42 [Vincent]: yeah
20:43 Zero__wind: I remember there're soft ones in Hard diff
20:43 [Vincent]: hmm will have to fix it
20:43 Zero__wind: oh and is this "ding~" intended? 01:47:011 (4) -
20:44 [Vincent]: yep
20:44 Zero__wind: ok then
20:44 [Vincent]: do i ahve to
20:44 [Vincent]: fix this? 00:05:696 (4,2) -
20:44 [Vincent]: apparently some guy said it's not rankable
20:45 Zero__wind: let me test
20:45 [Vincent]: alright
20:45 Zero__wind: I think it's ok
20:45 Zero__wind: don't worry
20:45 [Vincent]: hmm alright
20:47 Zero__wind: maybe CTRL+G here? 03:00:382 (2,3) -
20:47 Zero__wind: plays good to me
20:47 [Vincent]: yeah makes a cleaner pattern too
20:47 [Vincent]: alright
20:48 Zero__wind: 03:03:468 (3) - missing clap here I think
20:49 [Vincent]: yep
20:49 [Vincent]: surprised i missed them
20:49 [Vincent]: rofl
20:49 Zero__wind: it's common
20:49 Zero__wind: I've seen so many cases
20:49 [Vincent]: must've been tired
20:50 Zero__wind: many hitsounds missing when already bubbled lol
20:51 [Vincent]: haha
20:53 Zero__wind: that's all for Insane
20:53 *Zero__wind is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/432866 Primary - fragile garden [Hard]]
20:54 Zero__wind: 00:39:639 (4) - missing clap on head
20:55 [Vincent]: alright
20:55 Zero__wind: 00:42:725 (6) - add NC on this to indicate sv change?
20:55 [Vincent]: hmm true
20:55 [Vincent]: missed it
20:57 Zero__wind: 00:49:068 (6) - missing clap on head as well lol
20:57 Zero__wind: 00:59:525 (4) - ^
20:57 [Vincent]: ;_;
20:57 [Vincent]: orz
20:57 [Vincent]: lol
20:57 Zero__wind: and 01:22:839 (1) - ,same point as Insane
20:58 Zero__wind: 01:28:325 (1) - ^ all missing clap
20:58 [Vincent]: the clap?
20:58 [Vincent]: O.O
20:58 Zero__wind: yeah
20:58 [Vincent]: no idea how i missed those
20:58 [Vincent]: lol
20:58 Zero__wind: 01:33:811 (1) -
20:58 Zero__wind: all about claps
20:58 [Vincent]: weow
21:01 Zero__wind: 01:45:639 (5) - not sure if want to move it like this http://puu.sh/aURpf/2b9bd3ee70.jpg
21:02 [Vincent]: like above it?
21:02 [Vincent]: above 01:46:325 (1) - ?
21:02 Zero__wind: yeah
21:02 Zero__wind: I think that's like 01:44:439 (1,2) -
21:03 Zero__wind: 01:44:439 (1,2) - down, 01:45:125 (3,4) - up, 01:45:639 (5,6) - down
21:04 [Vincent]: wait
21:04 [Vincent]: imconfused
21:04 [Vincent]: wat about
21:04 [Vincent]: the distance snapping
21:05 Zero__wind: oh, ah yes, that would break that
21:05 Zero__wind: forget about that then~
21:06 Zero__wind: the small jump from slider doesn't really matter though, it's also good to keep it consistent like the current
21:07 [Vincent]: hmm
21:07 Zero__wind: I thought those beats with finish sounds are fine with jumps
21:07 [Vincent]: i'll see
21:07 [Vincent]: for a way
21:07 [Vincent]: around it
21:08 Zero__wind: ok
21:09 [Vincent]: http://puu.sh/aUROa/a93d324afb.jpg
21:09 [Vincent]: move it more to the right
21:09 [Vincent]: distance between these two are like 0.6 thoguh 01:45:811 (6,1) -
21:10 Zero__wind: I think that doesn't even matter
21:10 [Vincent]: alright
21:10 Zero__wind: ok
21:10 Zero__wind: 02:54:896 (7) - need NC to divide long combo set I think
21:10 Zero__wind: like in Insane
21:11 [Vincent]: alright
21:12 Zero__wind: 03:36:039 (1) - missing clap on head
21:13 Zero__wind: and nothing else for Hard
21:14 [Vincent]: alright
21:14 *Zero__wind is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/433416 Primary - fragile garden [Normal]]
21:15 Zero__wind: you need S;C1？
21:15 Zero__wind: 00:06:039 -
21:15 Zero__wind: for that "ding~" sound
21:16 [Vincent]: hmm
21:16 [Vincent]: think i planned for it not to have it
21:16 [Vincent]: i will chagne though
21:16 Zero__wind: up to you
21:16 Zero__wind: I just found it inconsistent with Insane
21:16 [Vincent]: yeah
21:17 Zero__wind: 01:00:039 (4) - missing clap on both head and tail
21:17 [Vincent]: s:c6 btw
21:17 [Vincent]: forthe ding i think
21:17 [Vincent]: wait
21:17 [Vincent]: nvm,
21:17 Zero__wind: oh
21:17 [Vincent]: yeah
21:18 [Vincent]: i think it's s:C6
21:18 [Vincent]: so i have the bass too
21:18 Zero__wind: yes S:C6
21:18 [Vincent]: alright
21:18 [Vincent]: just finished
21:18 [Vincent]: my cs game
21:18 Zero__wind: otherwise the clap went wrong
21:18 [Vincent]: rofl
21:18 [Vincent]: yeah
21:18 Zero__wind: ok, missing clap again, 01:02:782 (5) -
21:18 Zero__wind: both on head and tail
21:19 Zero__wind: 01:40:668 (4) - missing clap on head
21:19 [Vincent]: fixed
21:19 Zero__wind: 01:46:325 (4) - maybe use normal sample without clap for its head
21:19 Zero__wind: the clap sounds too soft here to me
21:20 Zero__wind: barely audioable
21:20 [Vincent]: hmm
21:20 [Vincent]: i used drum hitsound
21:20 [Vincent]: on insane
21:20 [Vincent]: should i do that for normal
21:21 Zero__wind: hmm
21:21 Zero__wind: I'm fine with that drums
21:21 Zero__wind: sounds stronger
21:21 [Vincent]: drum claps
21:22 [Vincent]: yeah
21:22 [Vincent]: hmm
21:22 [Vincent]: should it be
21:22 [Vincent]: 2 drum claps then finish
21:22 [Vincent]: or 3 drum claps
21:23 [Vincent]: it sounds better with 2 claps then finish
21:23 [Vincent]: ;3
21:23 Zero__wind: hmm
21:23 Zero__wind: I think a drum finish followed by two drum clap sounds the best
21:24 [Vincent]: yeah
21:24 [Vincent]: alright
21:24 [Vincent]: i'll change for insane/hard too
21:24 Zero__wind: the first beat is more like a kickdrum sound
21:24 Zero__wind: good
21:24 [Vincent]: yeah
21:27 Zero__wind: all good now?
21:27 [Vincent]: yep
21:27 Zero__wind: ok then back to Normal
21:28 Zero__wind: 02:25:925 - blah
21:28 Zero__wind: you neeed all those hitsounds here
21:29 [Vincent]: O.O
21:29 [Vincent]: lmao
21:29 Zero__wind: yeah, it's so epic to miss all of them lol
21:29 [Vincent]: magically disappeared ;_;
21:29 [Vincent]: must've rushed the hitsounds
21:29 [Vincent]: and mashed qwe twice
21:29 [Vincent]: rofl
21:29 Zero__wind: cool
21:29 Zero__wind: 02:37:925 - missing clap
21:30 Zero__wind: 02:39:296 (5) - ^
21:30 Zero__wind: 02:44:782 (5) - ^
21:30 [Vincent]: ;o
21:31 Zero__wind: 03:08:782 - misused clap =.=
21:31 Zero__wind: 03:27:982 - ^ need to remove them
21:31 [Vincent]: yep
21:32 [Vincent]: my hands go all weird
21:32 [Vincent]: hitsounding for 4 minutes gets me confused sometimes
21:32 [Vincent]: lol
21:32 [Vincent]: stuck to a specific routine
21:32 [Vincent]: but then sometimes i get lost
21:32 [Vincent]: ;_;
21:32 Zero__wind: yeah
21:33 Zero__wind: 00:05:354 (4) - did I mention this, all about claps lol
21:33 [Vincent]: rip
21:33 Zero__wind: and 00:46:154 -
21:34 Zero__wind: ok I missed these two the first time
21:34 [Vincent]: lmfao
21:34 [Vincent]: surprised i did so many of those
21:34 [Vincent]: ;_;
21:34 [Vincent]: doing a quick check myself on all of them atm
21:35 Zero__wind: you will need practice clapping after getting this ranked
21:35 Zero__wind: xD
21:35 [Vincent]: i've improved a lot
21:35 [Vincent]: after making this honestly
21:35 [Vincent]: this was like my first map i did hitsounding properly
21:35 [Vincent]: and some guy helped out with it
21:35 Zero__wind: yeah that's common
21:35 [Vincent]: i dont use claps for bass anymore
21:35 Zero__wind: new mappers can not realize those mistakes
21:36 [Vincent]: i do finishes
21:36 [Vincent]: easier to put in claps for snares too
21:36 Zero__wind: I used to misuse them as well
21:36 [Vincent]: yeah
21:36 [Vincent]: i guess it also depends on how many hitsounds you're dealing with too
21:36 [Vincent]: with this many, you're bound to make multiple mistakes as a first timer
21:36 [Vincent]: ;_;
21:36 Zero__wind: I remember when I viewed a map I made in MAY. 2013
21:36 [Vincent]: 01:00:039 (4) -
21:36 [Vincent]: missed some claps here
21:36 [Vincent]: rofl
21:37 Zero__wind: and I got so many kcik and snare drums wrong
21:37 [Vincent]: haha
21:37 [Vincent]: was it ranked?
21:37 Zero__wind: but at the time I mapped it I never recognised that
21:37 [Vincent]: 00:58:839 (2) -
21:37 [Vincent]: wtf
21:37 Zero__wind: I thought it was so good lol
21:37 [Vincent]: i got some missing bass here
21:37 Zero__wind: yeah
21:37 [Vincent]: hah
21:37 [Vincent]: mah god
21:37 [Vincent]: ;_;
21:38 Zero__wind: 01:40:668 (4) -
21:39 [Vincent]: is that confusing?
21:39 Zero__wind: not, missing clap on head? or if I've already mentioned lol
21:40 [Vincent]: probably mentioned already
21:40 [Vincent]: already on it
21:40 Zero__wind: ok
21:41 Zero__wind: then nothing else I think
21:41 [Vincent]: alright imma do a quick chcek on kiai times
21:41 Zero__wind: oh wait, 03:25:754 (5) -
21:41 [Vincent]: lol
21:42 Zero__wind: ok, all good now
21:42 [Vincent]: whistle+clap
21:42 *Zero__wind is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/434499 Primary - fragile garden [Easy]]
21:43 Zero__wind: 00:06:039 (1) - S:C6 here as you've changed that in Normal
21:44 [Vincent]: yep
21:44 Zero__wind: 00:35:868 (4) - missing clap
21:44 [Vincent]: fixed
21:45 Zero__wind: 02:06:382 - need S:C1 here
21:45 Zero__wind: or the clap went wrong
21:46 [Vincent]: yeah changed to s:c1
21:46 [Vincent]: and made s:c5 for 02:06:725 (1) -
21:46 Zero__wind: yes
21:46 [Vincent]: so many inherited lines
21:47 Zero__wind: 02:27:296 (2) - should live without the clap at reversing point
21:47 [Vincent]: slider tick hitsounding is op
21:47 Zero__wind: slidertick hell
21:47 [Vincent]: yep
21:47 [Vincent]: fixed
21:47 [Vincent]: lmao
21:48 Zero__wind: 02:44:782 (4) - S:C6 here
21:48 Zero__wind: could move 02:45:125 - to that point
21:48 [Vincent]: wait why
21:48 Zero__wind: eh
21:48 [Vincent]: theres only a clapo there
21:48 [Vincent]: already
21:48 [Vincent]: has s:c6 there too
21:49 [Vincent]: O.O
21:49 Zero__wind: eh wait
21:49 [Vincent]: lmao
21:49 Zero__wind: that beat should be a bass drum
21:49 [Vincent]: yeah
21:49 [Vincent]: it's there for my map
21:49 Zero__wind: oh ok
21:49 [Vincent]: maybe u deleted by accident or something
21:49 Zero__wind: ok will go through again
21:49 [Vincent]: wat point were u talking about?
21:50 [Vincent]: yeah
21:50 Zero__wind: ok it's fine
21:50 [Vincent]: lol
21:52 [Vincent]: 01:41:696 (3) -
21:52 [Vincent]: O.O
21:52 [Vincent]: ds needs to be fixed
21:52 Zero__wind: ah yeah
21:52 [Vincent]: and this too 01:44:439 (2) -
21:53 Zero__wind: move them together
21:53 [Vincent]: yep
21:55 Zero__wind: oh I remembered something else
21:55 Zero__wind: 01:06:468 (1) -
21:55 [Vincent]: both at x:484 y:224
21:55 [Vincent]: hmm
21:55 [Vincent]: clap?
21:56 Zero__wind: plz start spinners from the red tick instead in Easy and Normal diffs
21:56 Zero__wind: not clap
21:56 [Vincent]: oh okay
21:56 Zero__wind: 02:09:554 (1) -
21:56 [Vincent]: but for 01:06:382 (1) -
21:56 [Vincent]: i changed to sc:6 and clap
21:56 [Vincent]: so all 3 hitsounds
21:56 Zero__wind: 03:37:325 (1) -
21:56 Zero__wind: yeah
21:57 Zero__wind: start all those 3 spinners from the red tick instead
21:57 [Vincent]: alright all 3 spinners on easy/normal on red ticks now
21:57 Zero__wind: and the three in Normal
21:57 [Vincent]: start from*
21:57 Zero__wind: good
21:58 Zero__wind: I got nothing else I think, will check the folder a bit
21:58 [Vincent]: alright
21:59 [Vincent]: i'll double check ahrd
21:59 Zero__wind: so many hitsounds lol
21:59 [Vincent]: yeah
21:59 [Vincent]: cant even remember which ones which anymore
22:00 [Vincent]: changing 00:11:182 (6) - in hard to a drumfinish
22:01 Zero__wind: ok
22:01 Zero__wind: ah and
22:01 Zero__wind: would like to disable the letterbox
22:02 [Vincent]: and in normal too
22:02 [Vincent]: hmm i actually like the letter box during breaks
22:02 [Vincent]: ;_;
22:02 [Vincent]: is it bad or something
22:02 Zero__wind: no
22:02 Zero__wind: totally up to you
22:02 [Vincent]: yeah i'll keep it
22:03 Zero__wind: as long as they are consistent in all diffs
22:03 Zero__wind: ok
22:03 [Vincent]: pretty sure they are
22:03 Zero__wind: yes
22:03 Zero__wind: reset the preview time to 01:47:182 - in all diffs plz
22:03 Zero__wind: it's currently unsnapped
22:03 [Vincent]: hmm alright
22:04 Zero__wind: that's a fucking unrankable point I have to check every time
22:04 [Vincent]: lmfao
22:04 [Vincent]: must be a pain in the ass to find
22:04 [Vincent]: if u dont use notepad
22:04 [Vincent]: to figure out*
22:05 Zero__wind: yes
22:05 Zero__wind: I have to check like that every single time
22:05 Zero__wind: and something else similar
22:05 [Vincent]: wats dat
22:05 [Vincent]: =O
22:06 [Vincent]: brb getting water
22:06 Zero__wind: like hmm, widescreen support, lead-in, combo colors and sliderborders, video offset if with
22:06 Zero__wind: kk
22:08 [Vincent]: lol luckily i dont have a video \o/
22:08 Zero__wind: :3
22:08 Zero__wind: and you don't have skin
22:08 [Vincent]: haha
22:08 [Vincent]: i wanna learn how to sb
22:08 [Vincent]: like simple flahes like u did in discolor
22:08 [Vincent]: ;3
22:08 [Vincent]: they work so nicely
22:09 Zero__wind: I just learned them like a month ago
22:09 Zero__wind: lol
22:09 [Vincent]: haha
22:09 [Vincent]: is it hard
22:09 [Vincent]: or simple
22:09 [Vincent]: o.o
22:09 Zero__wind: really simple ones
22:09 Zero__wind: simple
22:09 [Vincent]: hmm i should learn them one day
22:10 Zero__wind: just remember some "fformatted" codes, nothing else
22:10 Zero__wind: fat first I copy them
22:10 [Vincent]: ;o
22:10 Zero__wind: and I can type them soon after I've copied for some times
22:11 [Vincent]: lmao
22:11 Zero__wind: last thing before update
22:11 Zero__wind: I have to check if we need capitalize the title
22:11 [Vincent]: apparently it's not supposed to be
22:12 Zero__wind: do you have source for that
22:12 [Vincent]: http://primary-yuiko.com/9th_single/garden/
22:12 [Vincent]: straight from her website
22:12 [Vincent]: ;3
22:12 Zero__wind: oh niceeeee
22:12 Zero__wind: oops I remember I once visited this site!
22:12 Zero__wind: hah
22:12 [Vincent]: LOL
22:12 [Vincent]: the other song is pretty nice to listen to too
22:12 [Vincent]: ;D
22:13 Zero__wind: ok then upload plz
22:13 [Vincent]: doesnt that break the bubble?
22:13 [Vincent]: ;O
22:13 [Vincent]: always wondered how this work
22:13 [Vincent]: s
22:13 Zero__wind: yes
22:13 Zero__wind: any update will
22:13 [Vincent]: alright
22:13 Zero__wind: we call it as "self-pop"
22:13 [Vincent]: hmm alright i'll update it
22:15 Zero__wind: sometime mappers will self-pop to do fix some minor stuff if it's found not long after getting bubbled and worth changing
22:15 [Vincent]: alright
22:15 [Vincent]: updated
22:15 [Vincent]: yeah i did it before and got garven to rebubble
22:15 Zero__wind: and they'll call the BAT who bubbled the map back to repair that
22:15 Zero__wind: yeah
22:15 [Vincent]: yeeh
22:16 Zero__wind: but at the last time you self-pop like this, I can rank it instantly if without some vital changes like timing shift
22:16 [Vincent]: ;o
22:16 [Vincent]: interesting
22:17 Zero__wind: they are rules for BATs
22:17 Zero__wind: not necessary to know them actually
22:17 [Vincent]: haha
22:18 Zero__wind: but be sure to to have a good timing before getting bubbled is always a good thing
22:19 Zero__wind: because you'll need to find one more BAT otherwise
22:19 [Vincent]: lol
22:19 [Vincent]: i actually got the timing on this map myself
22:19 [Vincent]: ;3
22:19 [Vincent]: worked out pretty nicely i guess
22:20 Zero__wind: yeah the timing is good
22:20 [Vincent]: ;D
22:51 Zero__wind: checked through
22:51 Zero__wind: one last thing in Easy 00:46:496 (4) -
22:51 Zero__wind: need a clap there lol
22:51 [Vincent]: true
22:52 Zero__wind: fix that and upload plz, everything else should be alright
22:53 [Vincent]: clap at tail right?
22:53 Zero__wind: yes
22:55 [Vincent]: alright uplodaded