ye they implied that its unreadable cuz the spacing but players dont even take it into account while playing l0l

Recoded Fort's Finale map

okay updatedddd

Hello~!

02:30:391 - (On Easy) Unused green line.
02:30:391 - (On Normal) Unused green line.
00:59:444 - (On Hard) Unused green line.
02:58:180 - (On StarFort's Hyper) Unused green line.
01:19:180 (5,6) - (On Extra) Why did they ignored this pattern? 4.2x DS followed by an anti-flow pattern. I don't get in. I mean, to my point of view, it looks fucking amazing. But we aware.
01:29:917 (2) - (On Extra) Be aware of this, too.
02:30:391 - (On Extra) Do NOT use Additions "Soft" for this stream + 02:32:601 (2) - Ctrl+G?
00:49:180 (6,1) - (On Fort's Finale) Do NOT stack these. Move (6) a bit to the right.

By the way, this will get unranked again because of the length of the spinner on the easiest difficulties. Auto can get 5.000, newbies won't even get 1.000. I'm not underestimating them, this is the truth.
Try ending the last spinner AT LEAST in 03:01:970 - . This applies to ALL the difficulties.

Call me back.

Yuii- wrote:

Hello~!

02:30:391 - (On Easy) Unused green line. orz
02:30:391 - (On Normal) Unused green line. orz
00:59:444 - (On Hard) Unused green line. orz
02:58:180 - (On StarFort's Hyper) Unused green line. orz
01:19:180 (5,6) - (On Extra) Why did they ignored this pattern? 4.2x DS followed by an anti-flow pattern. I don't get in. I mean, to my point of view, it looks fucking amazing. But we aware. yeahhhh I nerf'd it slightly, just to be safe
01:29:917 (2) - (On Extra) Be aware of this, too. keeping this one as is
02:30:391 - (On Extra) Do NOT use Additions "Soft" for this stream + 02:32:601 (2) - Ctrl+G? yep and yep
00:49:180 (6,1) - (On Fort's Finale) Do NOT stack these. Move (6) a bit to the right.

By the way, this will get unranked again because of the length of the spinner on the easiest difficulties. Auto can get 5.000, newbies won't even get 1.000. I'm not underestimating them, this is the truth.
Try ending the last spinner AT LEAST in 03:01:970 - . This applies to ALL the difficulties.
yeah I totally agree with that, I'll leave Fort to fix his own one
Call me back.

thank you!!

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update yui's mod
im increasing distance for better visual

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updated \o/

hi dad

woooo thanks again Yuii!

Gogogogog, moph o3o

gogo moph

Okay, we're going to restart this!

Let's do it!
Day 1 has started.

WOOP. So is this ranked fully now or just qualified?

This is Qualified not Ranked

Oh yeah

amazing storyboard, great job!

:3

wow, you deserve it *-*/ Gratz

Disqualification Notice

Hello!

Unfortunately, the Quality Assurance Team has decided to disqualify this beatmap. The following is a list of reasons and examples for the disqualification. We do not outline every issue in detail, so make sure to take the idea behind each reason and apply it to the entire beatmap as issues might be found in more than the spots mentioned below. If you have any questions, please reply to this post and we will do our best to clarify any misunderstandings.


If you happen to have concerns about this disqualification, you can contest the decision with this form. Before using this form, please read the instructions carefully.

The Beatmap Nominators may handle this mapset after the issues have been addressed.

Good luck!

###M

What the...

Pls this mapset would be perfect if it was without Forts diff ;__;

huono_tuuri wrote:

without Forts diff ;__;

pls?

Very nice
Let me summarize the issue mentioned on this disqualification
I can't play this map
because of the exaggerated jumps
Huh other players must not be able to play this map since the difficulty of this map is too high
In order to keep the justice and keep the peace of the mapping world, I decided to disqualify this map

StarForYou wrote:

I decided

lol, it's not decision of one person

I don't think the jumps are too unreadable or difficult, but meh.

seriously, how do they RE QUALIFY without even checking if the previous issues were fixed??? absolutely ridiculous.

The jumps are disproportionately hard compared to the rest of the map, overall Fort's diff is even easier than the other Extra diff, except for the jumps at the end.

I find the jumps fun to play, but the difference with the rest of the map is jarring. I'd rather make the rest of the map harder than remove them though.

seriously? no notes about how the top diff is od8/ar9 and even the other extra is higher than that?

Noooo D: Don't give up

Mazzerin wrote:

seriously? no notes about how the top diff is od8/ar9 and even the other extra is higher than that?

DQed based on subjective opinions about the jumps in the map while completely ignoring objective things like OD.

sigh

idk why i say this

but dear QAT please dont play this map if you cant deal with that sliders
i put AR9 for that to make that slider pattern clearly visible and you still didnt understand
maybe this will be my finale because im sure this QAT skill is lower than #10000 rank

some QAT say this Pattern is okay because it can be emphasize song, but why you still thing this one is unrankable?

look at other harder maps, there way more harder than this but why it can be permanently ranked?

so, im gonna keep this one
bye.

Sincerely,

Fort.

@moph if you disagree with my argument just delete my diff

Don't delete Fort's diff.
Contest the DQ.

The patterns play perfectly fine and the AR helps a lot, providing a good playability as well as some sweet jumps throughout some sections.
The final is perfectly fine, the last Kiai is supposed to be harder and, somehow, more "exaggerated", after all is when the music gets into its "peak" so it has to be mapped like that.

Now, this is NOT how you disqualify a map. The examples stated as "unreadable" are pretty much "standard" for any Extra difficulty and expected for any player capable of passing this.
These kind of things should not be seen only for the Editor's point of view, also they should be played. When I first modded this map, those jumps looked completely fine to me, and even after taking to the first DQ, I didn't find anything either. In the Editor they might look quite hard and also unreasonable, but when you play them, they FEEL natural, and that's what matters.
Refusing to new things is what this community needs to get rid of. The map is super good and no thing should be changed. If you still think they are "exaggerated", then you can think about it. But I'm pretty sure you are not even able to understand why the mapper is emphasising those 1/4 that much.

In your first post you said that 00:51:549 (6,7) - was "unreadable", which was the pattern with the less spacing and the only one who was NOT overlapped, so there was no time for a mistake.
00:36:391 (6,7,8) - This pattern plays perfectly fine, even better than the one explained above. The guitar slides (that's how the technique is called, I played the guitar for 5 years) in a strong way, so it's a clearly audible and distinguishable sound that must be highlighted with something similar to what Fort mapped.
00:56:601 (7,8) - And this is almost the same as the first point I explained, but it just has some more spacing. Additionally, both jumps have an explanation at the very end, they are emphasising the vocals. They may be confused with the highest "peak" from this part but they are worth separating.
00:49:023 (5,6) - And he actually fixed this one, though I told him to move it to the RIGHT, and not to the LEFT as he did.

Anyway, the mapper had replied to the disqualification when this happened as you can see over here.
As I've already said, this is an inappropriate way of DQ'ing a map. If the mapper explained why he didn't change those things you just CAN'T come over here and say: "The issues listed in the previous disqualification post have not been addressed properly. Everything is mandatory to be fixed.".

Everything is mandatory to be fixed. You just can't be serious. I've seen multiple DQ's being partially ignored and nothing happened.

If anyone explains why there was no change and you happen to disqualify it again, just explain yourself better, tell the mapper what's the MAIN reason why you are saying those things and propose a better solution... or even better! Why don't you tell him/her/it how YOU WOULD map it?

This is my opinion.
Seriously... contest it.

###WALLY

Mazzerin wrote:

seriously? no notes about how the top diff is od8/ar9 and even the other extra is higher than that?

Yea its funny how QAT whines about the smallest "readability issues" on diffs where its justified to use a more interesting pattern, forcing the diff to be remapped to the point that its ridicly simple and boring. But still ive never seen a higher diff being dq:d because of unfitting approach rate.. ;_;

huono_tuuri wrote:

But still ive never seen a higher diff being dq:d because of unfitting approach rate.. ;_;

Because there is too much different viewpoints about approach rate, some people don't really care about it, and other people need the highest possible AR to "enjoy" the map better. There is no debate concerning AR, people could use whatever they want (but they still have to be reasonable, for example, they don't use AR10 for a 4.2 stars map or use AR 8.5 on a 240BPM and 6 stars map etc.) Everything depends on the map itself.

Concerning OD and HP, it's something else, more complicated.

Cherry Blossom wrote:

huono_tuuri wrote:

But still ive never seen a higher diff being dq:d because of unfitting approach rate.. ;_;

Because there is too much different viewpoints about approach rate, some people don't really care about it, and other people need the highest possible AR to "enjoy" the map better. There is no debate concerning AR, people could use whatever they want (but they still have to be reasonable, for example, they don't use AR10 for a 4.2 stars map or use AR 8.5 on a 240BPM and 6 stars map etc.) Everything depends on the map itself.

Concerning OD and HP, it's something else, more complicated.

Free AR would solve 99% of these problems ;_;

AR doesn't change the spacing between objects.

Fucking kek, seriously?