This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Monday, August 18, 2014 at 3:06:06 PM

Artist: Live P
Title: Goodbye Today
Tags: Vocaloid Japanese Kagamine Rin
BPM: 160
Filesize: 5965kb
Play Time: 04:14
Difficulties Available:

1. binaryfruit's Normal (2.02 stars, 327 notes)
2. Easy (1.3 stars, 17 notes)
3. Insane (4.13 stars, 903 notes)
4. theramdans's Hard (3.21 stars, 507 notes)

Download: Live P - Goodbye Today
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Easy by Me (in progress)
Normal by Binaryfruit (done)
Hard by Theramdans (done)
Insane by Me (Currently remapping)
Insane by Juilie (in progress)
Tori-senpai (moo-chan) took my modding cherry <3
And thanks again Tori-senpai for hitsounding/looking for my dumb mistakes out of lub <3

HAIII o////

update GD :p

http://puu.sh/8xeUe.rar

159.52 BPM , Love you Xellie.

lol 159.52 BPM is wrong.

So I was directed here for a reason from a "friendly source" of yours

Moo-Chan wrote:

Hai o/ Long mod incoming~
Remember, your map, your choice of what you want to change in it~

Insane

- 00:08:232 (1) - Move the red tick over 2 times to the right. Fixed
- 00:08:795 (2) - Move this note to x:332 y:32 Fixed
- 00:10:107 (3) - Move to x:244 y:312 Kept as is cause it's snapped fine with 1.2
- 00:11:795 (1) - Move to x:316 y:252 Kept as is to avoid ugly overlap imo
- 00:11:982 (2) - Move to x:404 y:204, and these 2 notes, ( 00:12:264 (3,4) - ) should be moved to x:404 y:304 Kept as is to avoid overlap
- 00:12:545 (5) - For a semi-better flow, you can move this note to x:316 y:252 Kept cause I like et xD
- 00:14:045 (5) - Move to x:88 y:52 Fixed
- 00:14:607 (7,8,9,10) - I would say for these, if you wanted to, instead of the straight across stream, you could turn these into a curved stream. But if you're going to do so, make sure to have distance snap on, and this note, ( 00:14:982 (1) - ) should be right after the last note of the combo before.

Kinda Like This

Changed et cause it's nicer dis way
- 00:14:982 (1,2,1) - I thought of a creative style for these notes as well. I like et gurl

Maybe Like This?

The following changes are for if you're doing the idea above

- 00:16:670 (2) - This note could be moved to x:252 y:224
- 00:16:857 (3,4) - These notes could be centered to x:252 y:352

Came up with own fix x.x
- 00:20:607 (5) - Move the white tick to the right 10 times, staying on the same grid line. Keep in mind that I'm using Grid Level 4.
- 00:22:670 (2) - Move to x:204 y:180 Changed but in a different way then you said in order to avoid overlap
- 00:22:857 (3) - Move to x:260 y:100^
- 00:28:482 (5) - I would center this slider downwards. So moving the last white tick over to the right to make it line up against the y-axis. I like et the way it is x.x
- 00:28:857 (6) - Move this to x:156 y:312 and move the following 2 notes back into place to make it a triple. ( Only if you make the change above. )Didn't change
- 00:29:232 (9) - Move this to x:48 y:188 ( Same goes for the change above. )didn't change it
- 00:30:357 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - If I were you, I'd center these out.I like et this way :c

To Something Like This

The following changes are for if you make the change above

- 00:31:482 (1) - Move to x:252 y:56
- 00:31:857 (2) - Move to x:11 y:166, then with the next 2 following notes, just put them back into place to even out the triple.
- 00:32:232 (5) - Move this note to x:92 y:276
- 00:32:607 (6) - Move this one to x:288 y:276

I didn't do above change
- 00:34:857 (2) - I would make this into a repeating slider to cover the little silence between the note and the following one. thx for pointing out the note, but made my own change
- 00:35:420 (3) - This note could be moved to x:168 y:40 ( For if you make the change above. )^
- 00:35:607 (1) - Move to x:92 y:108 ( Again, for if you make the previous change. )^
- 00:36:170 (2) - I would move this note to x:258 y:120, despite the previous change. idk what you mean by this x.x
- 00:38:420 (4) - I would suggest moving this slider over to the right white tick on the timeline, and shortening it down to the next white tick, and placing a single note on the red tick where you originally had the slider in the first place.fixed

Like this in case of confusion

- 00:40:295 (4) - You should move this to x:20 y:64 fixed
- 00:41:607 (8) - I would move this slider to x:360 y:160 ( Like this. )took your suggestion but changed it a little
- 00:42:732 (1) - Move to x:204 y:192 I like having them closer cause I feel it fits the song
- 00:42:920 (2) - Move to x:220 y:292 ^
- 00:43:107 (3) - Move to x:132 y:344^
- 00:43:857 (3) - Move to x:292 y:156^
- 00:44:607 (4) - This slider, I would remove and replace with a triple. It feels kind of awkward playing the slider. The way you do the triple is up to you.fixed
- 00:45:545 (1) - Move to x:380 y:56kept as is cause I like et
- 00:45:732 (2) - Move to x:428 y:108^
- 00:47:607 (4) - I'd prefer changing this slider to a triple. But if you wanna keep with the symmetrical flow, you could make the triple look like this. Fixed
- 00:49:857 (1) - I would highly suggest turning this slider into something like this.reworked it

How I mapped this part

First Part of It
Second Part of It

- 00:52:295 (5) - Move the bottom part of this slider to end at the ending of this one, ( 00:51:920 (3) - )fixed
- 00:53:982 (9) - Instead of having this as a repeating slider, make it into something like this. But I think you can figure out a way to map that.kept as is to add lil variety
- 01:00:545 (5) - Make this into a new combo.fixed
- 01:01:857 (3) - Move to x:80 y:252kinda followed this
- 01:02:045 (4) - Move to x:160 y:192 ^
- 01:02:232 (5) - Move to x:180 y:108, and the following 2 notes can be placed under this slider. fixed
- 01:02:795 (8) - Move to x:168 y:128^
- 01:04:107 (4) - Straighten this slider out, so move the end tick over to the left 1 time.fixed
- 01:18:357 (3) - Same with this slider. Straighten it out.fixed
- 01:19:107 (5) - Kinda match the ending of this slider to the beginning.fixed I think?
- 01:23:982 (9) - Re line this slider to this.fixed
- 01:25:107 (1) - Move this slider to x:328 y:124 fixed
- 01:26:045 (2) - Make a note here. It fills in the little blank spot after the slider.fixed

In case of confusion

First Part
Second Part

- 02:03:170 (1) - Remove this slider, and replace it with 2 single notes. Example 1, Example 2.I like my fun slider :c
- 02:06:920 (1,2) - Don't make these into a new combo. that was an accident >.<
- 04:14:795 (9) - Remove this slider, and replace it with a single note on the red tick.fixed :3

That's all I see for the Insane~
Make sure to add some hit sounds though. Your map could use some.
I hope this helped~! (:

Thanks for the mod Tori-senpai <3 took my modding cherry LOL have some kudos

By request~
Because you're a good friend I'm going to be anal about everything. Tread with caution!
Also remember that I'll be suggesting changes by my mapping style, so it's up to you to leave out anything.
I've separated different sections of the song with the lines

[General]
AR -> 8 or 8.5
OD -> 7

[Insane]
00:02:232 (5) - Imperfect blanket, just use one bezier
00:03:170 (3,4) - For a light insane I would stack these. Generally I just find triples that move to be annoying to play especially in a light insane
00:03:732 (1,2,3,4) - This is a really weak curve, so I would change it up into a different pattern, or just make the curve more dramatic (because you have other sliders in the start which are more curvy than this)
00:06:170 (4,5) - Same as earlier
00:08:232 (1) - bleh
00:10:670 (2) - Lighten the angle a bit
00:11:232 (4) - Make the end of this straighten out because the start of it is straight
00:11:795 (1) - Put a little more space between 00:11:232 (4) -
00:14:045 (5,6) - I hate these tbh, they look ugly and they're confusing to read. Just Ctrl + G this
00:14:607 (7,8,9,10) - Stack this
00:16:107 (1) - This is an imperfect circle therefore 00:16:857 (3) - this looks really shitty
00:17:607 (5) - slight overlap
00:20:982 (1,2) - These look ugly because the start has a sharp angle in the bottom, but the middle smooths out, but then it sharpens at the end again
00:24:545 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is kind of boring. Just a bunch of slider spam in an ugly pattern in the centre of the screen. Add some circles boy
00:26:045 (5,6) - Furthermore there's a fill here that you could map
00:28:295 (4) - Overlap doesn't look too good here
00:28:857 (6,7,8) - This is at a different angle to 00:28:482 (5) - even though you're implying it's a "V" shape (imagine the bottom of the V in below (5) and (6)
00:29:232 (9,10) - I would change but if you like it, keep it
00:31:482 (1) - Flatten this out a bit, it looks kinda weird
00:32:232 (5,6) - These don't even meet perfectly
00:35:607 (1) - You start the new bar on a slider end, this throws timing off and feels unsatisfying to play because assuming there would be a finish hitsound there
00:42:732 (1,2,3) - I don't know why you're using ridiculously low spacing here
00:43:295 (1) - This should be blanketing 00:42:920 (2) - after you space out the pattern a bit
00:44:795 (6) - Wut did I say about these kinds of slider Xellie o^8
00:45:545 (1,2,1,2) - Change these to triple stacks
00:46:295 (3) - ashfdkaljsgh
00:47:795 (6) - Please revise this shape
00:49:295 (3) - You were doing that slanty stack with the sliders earlier and this is completely straight (but I would just put a stack on top of 00:49:482 (4) - )
00:49:857 (1) - This should be blanketing 00:50:232 (2) -
00:50:232 (2) - Position so it's more directly under the slider before it
00:52:201 (4) - This spacing is too large for this difficulty
00:52:295 (5) - I laughed when I saw a red point at the end of it. Remember to keep blankets generally spaced away from the circle you're trying to blanket
00:53:982 (9) - Avoid using these
01:00:732 (2) - Seriously wtf
01:04:857 (2) - Avoid this dramatic curve
01:05:232 (3,4,5,6) - I don't see anything that implies a stream here
01:06:170 (1) - move this to around x:80 y:336 to make the circle form a curve
01:06:732 (4) - If you have a diagonal or curve of circles leading into a slider, THE SLIDER CANNOT BE A STRAIGHT LINE (imo) It looks really bad
01:08:232 (1,2,3,4) - Same as other stream
01:10:857 (2) - Dramatic curve again
01:12:545 (2) - and 01:12:920 (3) - I would lighten these up like this http://puu.sh/a4AWs/c164bac7be.jpg
01:13:482 (1,2,3,4) - Alternatives:

1. Slow down SV, and combine a set of two sliders into one (so the slider starting at 01:13:482 (1) - would end at the start of (2), and same for (3) and (4).
2. Use 4 circles instead of sliders

At the moment I don't think it properly emphasizes the slow down of the song
01:15:732 (5) - Dramatic curve
01:16:857 (3) - These overlap and just really make me wanna kill myself
01:17:420 (5,1) - I would avoid this technique, placing the circle at the start of the slider
01:19:107 (5) - This shape looks nice and all, but it's not perfect. Just use red points jesus
01:22:295 (2) - Slightly overlaps 01:22:857 (4) - and they both should be blanketing 01:22:670 (3). Also, the spacing is stupidly low
01:23:982 (9,1) - Just obliterate these please
01:27:357 (3,4) - These can blanket each other
01:28:857 (9) - Blanket 01:28:295 (6) -
01:29:982 (5,6) - Move them so they don't meet, and make them both blanket 01:29:607 (3) -
01:31:107 (8) - just use one bezier point please
01:32:982 (4) - New combo
01:34:857 (5) - Dramatic curve
01:35:607 (8) - Slight overlaps pls
01:35:982 (9) - Again, just use one bezier point for a better blanket
01:37:670 (1) - This curve doesn't curve nicely around 01:36:732 (10) -
01:38:795 (1) - Should start at the big white tick. Fill in the space before it

Amg help me this is so tiring

Smug- wrote:

By request~
Because you're a good friend I'm going to be anal about everything. Tread with caution!
Also remember that I'll be suggesting changes by my mapping style, so it's up to you to leave out anything.
I've separated different sections of the song with the lines

[General]
AR -> 8 or 8.5
OD -> 7 T^T I'mma gunna have to say no to dis because i'm stubborn

[Insane]
00:02:232 (5) - Imperfect blanket, just use one bezier fixed
00:03:170 (3,4) - For a light insane I would stack these. Generally I just find triples that move to be annoying to play especially in a light insane I like them so I'mma keep them :c
00:03:732 (1,2,3,4) - This is a really weak curve, so I would change it up into a different pattern, or just make the curve more dramatic (because you have other sliders in the start which are more curvy than this) fixed
00:06:170 (4,5) - Same as earlier same as earlier
00:08:232 (1) - bleh I like et :c
00:10:670 (2) - Lighten the angle a bit fixed
00:11:232 (4) - Make the end of this straighten out because the start of it is straight fixed
00:11:795 (1) - Put a little more space between 00:11:232 (4) - fixed
00:14:045 (5,6) - I hate these tbh, they look ugly and they're confusing to read. Just Ctrl + G this fixed
00:14:607 (7,8,9,10) - Stack this same as earlier :c
00:16:107 (1) - This is an imperfect circle therefore 00:16:857 (3) - this looks really shitty fixed? I think?
00:17:607 (5) - slight overlap fixed
00:20:982 (1,2) - These look ugly because the start has a sharp angle in the bottom, but the middle smooths out, but then it sharpens at the end againfixed
00:24:545 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is kind of boring. Just a bunch of slider spam in an ugly pattern in the centre of the screen. Add some circles boy fixed
00:26:045 (5,6) - Furthermore there's a fill here that you could mapfixed
00:28:295 (4) - Overlap doesn't look too good herefixed
00:28:857 (6,7,8) - This is at a different angle to 00:28:482 (5) - even though you're implying it's a "V" shape (imagine the bottom of the V in below (5) and (6)
00:29:232 (9,10) - I would change but if you like it, keep it kept
00:31:482 (1) - Flatten this out a bit, it looks kinda weird fixed?
00:32:232 (5,6) - These don't even meet perfectly fixed
00:35:607 (1) - You start the new bar on a slider end, this throws timing off and feels unsatisfying to play because assuming there would be a finish hitsound there fixed

00:42:732 (1,2,3) - I don't know why you're using ridiculously low spacing here fixed
00:43:295 (1) - This should be blanketing 00:42:920 (2) - after you space out the pattern a bitfixed
00:44:795 (6) - Wut did I say about these kinds of slider Xellie o^8 fixed?
00:45:545 (1,2,1,2) - Change these to triple stacksspaced triples* 8^)
00:46:295 (3) - ashfdkaljsgh sdfgsdfghgh
00:47:795 (6) - Please revise this shape fixed?
00:49:295 (3) - You were doing that slanty stack with the sliders earlier and this is completely straight (but I would just put a stack on top of 00:49:482 (4) - )I did it smug, I made a stack for once
00:49:857 (1) - This should be blanketing 00:50:232 (2) - I blanketed the shit outta it
00:50:232 (2) - Position so it's more directly under the slider before it fixed
00:52:201 (4) - This spacing is too large for this difficulty fixed
00:52:295 (5) - I laughed when I saw a red point at the end of it. Remember to keep blankets generally spaced away from the circle you're trying to blanket fixed?
00:53:982 (9) - Avoid using these fixed
01:00:732 (2) - Seriously wtf ouo

01:04:857 (2) - Avoid this dramatic curvefixed
01:05:232 (3,4,5,6) - I don't see anything that implies a stream here fixed
01:06:170 (1) - move this to around x:80 y:336 to make the circle form a curve fixed
01:06:732 (4) - If you have a diagonal or curve of circles leading into a slider, THE SLIDER CANNOT BE A STRAIGHT LINE (imo) It looks really bad fixed
01:08:232 (1,2,3,4) - Same as other stream fixed
01:10:857 (2) - Dramatic curve again fixed
01:12:545 (2) - and 01:12:920 (3) - I would lighten these up like this http://puu.sh/a4AWs/c164bac7be.jpg
01:13:482 (1,2,3,4) - Alternatives:

1. Slow down SV, and combine a set of two sliders into one (so the slider starting at 01:13:482 (1) - would end at the start of (2), and same for (3) and (4).
2. Use 4 circles instead of sliders

At the moment I don't think it properly emphasizes the slow down of the songwent with 4 singles

01:15:732 (5) - Dramatic curve fixed
01:16:857 (3) - These overlap and just really make me wanna kill myself no killerino
01:17:420 (5,1) - I would avoid this technique, placing the circle at the start of the slider I do what I want 8^)
01:19:107 (5) - This shape looks nice and all, but it's not perfect. Just use red points jesus idk how to make curves with red points
01:22:295 (2) - Slightly overlaps 01:22:857 (4) - and they both should be blanketing 01:22:670 (3). Also, the spacing is stupidly low fixed
01:23:982 (9,1) - Just obliterate these please never
01:27:357 (3,4) - These can blanket each other fixed?
01:28:857 (9) - Blanket 01:28:295 (6) - done
01:29:982 (5,6) - Move them so they don't meet, and make them both blanket 01:29:607 (3) - messes up star
01:31:107 (8) - just use one bezier point please done
01:32:982 (4) - New combodone
01:34:857 (5) - Dramatic curve done
01:35:607 (8) - Slight overlaps pls fixed
01:35:982 (9) - Again, just use one bezier point for a better blanket fixed
01:37:670 (1) - This curve doesn't curve nicely around 01:36:732 (10) - fixed?
01:38:795 (1) - Should start at the big white tick. Fill in the space before itfixed

Amg help me this is so tiring

Please bear with my shit smug bby

Super ultra deluxe short irc mod

guineaQ wrote:

Super ultra deluxe short irc mod

magic

10:20 guineaQ: jelly
10:20 Xellie: guinea
10:20 *guineaQ is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/414577 Live P - Goodbye Today [Insane]]
10:21 Xellie: :o
10:21 Xellie: hurray \o/
10:21 guineaQ: timing was kinda on binaryfruit's normal
10:21 guineaQ: kinda weird*
10:21 guineaQ: but somehow it sounds fine on your insane
10:21 guineaQ: hmm
10:21 Xellie: Idk shit about normals >.> and wait do you just mean the ticks or w/e
10:22 guineaQ: btw
10:22 guineaQ: tell binary
10:22 guineaQ: he needs to make his normal below 2.00 star rating
10:22 guineaQ: the easiest diff needs to be below 2.0
10:22 Xellie: my friend is making an easy that's below 2 stars :3
10:22 Xellie: it's like 1.4 atm
10:22 guineaQ: ohhh ok
10:22 guineaQ: i think offset is TINY bit off
10:25 guineaQ: this is so weird
10:25 guineaQ: it sounds correct on hard and insane
10:25 guineaQ: but it's sounds little bit off in normal
10:25 Xellie: maybe he accidently changed it?
10:26 guineaQ: no it's same
10:26 guineaQ: tell binaryfruit
10:26 guineaQ: to put some timing nodes in ffs
10:26 guineaQ: he has no kiai time nor preview point
10:26 Xellie: xD He's still working on it
10:26 Xellie: it's like 80% done
10:26 *guineaQ is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/414577 Live P - Goodbye Today [Insane]]
10:27 guineaQ: just gonna focus on your diff
10:30 Xellie: okies~ <3
10:34 guineaQ: do u haz tiem po irc mod jelly
10:34 Xellie: sure :3
10:34 guineaQ: one real quick thing thats unrankable
10:34 guineaQ: 04:14:045 (7,8) - 
10:34 guineaQ: right at the end
10:35 guineaQ: slider reverse may not be covered by a note ;w;
10:35 Xellie: okie I'll just flip that onto the other side den
10:35 guineaQ: yeah
10:36 guineaQ: 00:02:232 (5) - 
10:36 guineaQ: add some more slider node point to make blanket moar smooth
10:36 guineaQ: hold ctrl and click on  the gray lines to add more slider joint points without having to delete it and make it again
10:36 guineaQ: the blanket is just tiny bit off there
10:37 guineaQ: oh wait did you use DS
10:37 Xellie: yesh
10:37 guineaQ: :3
10:37 Xellie: no always, but a lot
10:37 Xellie: not*
10:38 guineaQ: 00:19:857 (3,4) - 
10:38 guineaQ: I wouldn't overlap a circle on a slider path
10:38 guineaQ: not like
10:39 guineaQ: complete overlap
10:39 guineaQ: 00:20:982 (1,2) - 
10:39 Xellie: c:
10:39 guineaQ: looks ugly :c
10:39 guineaQ: 00:23:045 (4,1) - 
10:39 guineaQ: and this is no
10:39 guineaQ: don't put a circle below a slider path pl0x
10:40 guineaQ: your rhythm seems fine just the some patterns are hard to read
10:41 guineaQ: 00:29:982 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 
10:41 guineaQ: this was fun
10:41 Xellie: yeah my placement was basically "this seems fun, lets do this" xd
10:41 guineaQ: that sometimes works well lol
10:41 guineaQ: 00:35:607 (1,2,3) - 
10:41 guineaQ: i would have
10:42 guineaQ: rearranged
10:42 guineaQ: 2,3 in a way that the distance between them is identical to the distance between beginning of 1 and end of 1
10:42 guineaQ: 00:38:607 (5) - 
10:43 guineaQ: 1/2 slider with 1 reverse is better
10:43 guineaQ: 00:40:295 (4) - 
10:44 guineaQ: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc my opinion about starting sliders on red and ending on white]
10:44 Xellie:     LOL
10:45 guineaQ: 00:48:920 (2) - 
10:45 guineaQ: i would shift this
10:45 guineaQ: to x:440 and y:252
10:45 guineaQ: so that it's right between 1 and 3
10:45 guineaQ: 00:52:295 (5) - 
10:45 guineaQ: this kind of thing is fine
10:45 guineaQ: just starting on red and ending on white makes me go liek that
10:46 guineaQ: 00:52:201 (4) - 
10:46 Xellie: xD
10:46 guineaQ: doesn't really belong here ;w;
10:46 guineaQ: 00:53:232 (8) - 
10:46 guineaQ: NC here
10:46 guineaQ: and remove Nc on
10:46 guineaQ: 00:54:732 (1) - 
10:47 Xellie: nc?
10:47 guineaQ: new combo
10:47 guineaQ: 00:55:295 (1) - 
10:47 guineaQ: GOD PLS NO
10:47 Xellie: oooo
10:47 guineaQ: make that slider reverse and move 2 by 1/2
10:47 guineaQ: [http://puu.sh/a4QNI/209ab0a3a3.jpg liek thix]
10:48 guineaQ: 00:57:357 (6) - 
10:48 guineaQ: add a circle here
10:48 guineaQ: preferabbly on the end of slider 5
10:49 guineaQ: 01:00:732 (2) - 
10:49 guineaQ: you can blanket better :S
10:49 guineaQ: oh
10:49 guineaQ: make sure you keep your rhythm consistent
10:50 guineaQ: 01:23:982 (9) - 
10:50 guineaQ: i would change this into moar groovy shape
10:51 guineaQ: 01:28:857 (9) - 
10:51 guineaQ: move this to x:332 y:208 and fix blanket
10:51 guineaQ: should i slow down?
10:51 Xellie:  so what would be more groovy?
10:51 Xellie: and no it's fine
10:51 Xellie: I'm caught up xD
10:51 guineaQ: instead of just 90 degrees sudden shift
10:52 guineaQ: like
10:53 guineaQ: [http://puu.sh/a4R2L/668775d6e3.jpg maybe something like this]
10:53 guineaQ: use yer imagination bratha
10:55 guineaQ: part right after break is gut
10:55 guineaQ: it might look messy on editor but it's plays well when you actually play it
10:55 guineaQ: http://puu.sh/a4R2L/668775d6e3.jpg
10:55 guineaQ: oops
10:56 guineaQ: 02:03:170 (1) - 
10:56 Xellie: :3
10:56 guineaQ: remove this slider
10:56 guineaQ: 02:03:357 (2) - 
10:56 guineaQ: and put a circle here
10:56 guineaQ: [http://puu.sh/a4Rca/0a47c6b69f.jpg i'll take this as you didn't mean to blanket this]
10:57 Xellie: that was more me failing at blanket xD
10:57 guineaQ: 02:22:482 (5) - 
10:57 guineaQ: remove this circle
10:57 guineaQ: you are mapping to vocals so it's inconsistent rhythm
10:58 guineaQ: on the second thought
10:58 guineaQ: don't remove it
10:59 Xellie: okie
10:59 guineaQ: [http://puu.sh/a4Rig/b96161b6ae.jpg hmmmmmm]
10:59 guineaQ: if you fix your slider oddities this map would be moar awesome
10:59 Xellie:   idk what to do with large sliders :c
10:59 guineaQ: 02:50:232 (4) - 
10:59 guineaQ: ctrl+g
11:00 guineaQ: 03:24:357 (5) - 
11:00 guineaQ: add a timing node here and reduce hitsound volume
11:00 guineaQ: 03:25:482 (8) - 
11:00 guineaQ: new combo her
11:01 Xellie: sorry if I like dun answer everything you say but I am doing a lot of them xD
11:01 guineaQ: no it's fine
11:01 guineaQ: ik how it feels
11:01 guineaQ: hangon
11:01 guineaQ: ill brb
11:14 guineaQ: sry
11:14 guineaQ: rl stronk
11:15 guineaQ: oh
11:15 guineaQ: i think that was it lel

Changed almost all of it thanks :3

[-Sophie-] wrote:

From my moe queue
[Insane]
00:36:826 - This reverse sliders sounds off and doesn't match anything, i'm confused on why its there. fixed
00:38:326 - Maybe remove this note to match the 2 drum hits (?) idk what you mean by this
00:45:545 (1) - I feel like these small streams shouldn't be here, it just sounds weird It matches the vocals >u<
00:45:920 (4) - ^ ^
02:35:514 (4) - Add a note here so it flows easierfixed ^u^

Thanks for the mod sophie <3 *throws kudosu at sophie*

Oh nothing, felt like modding something :l
All just suggestion, do what you want

Insane

FrozenSakura wrote:

Oh nothing, felt like modding something :l
All just suggestion, do what you want

Insane

Oh yah... when i was messing with your slider...it kinda moved weirdly when i delete, so i made new slider in replace of it.
00:02:232 (5) - Could be blanketed better, Middle node should be at x:140 y 72, End node x:100 y:160. Should look something like this, http://puu.sh/a99e1/12b489a06d.jpg not sure if it's perfect but meh. fixed
v--- Dont mind these, thought it might make it look cleaner
00:01:482 (1) - Move to x: 232 y:228 fixed
00:01:670 (2) - Move this to x:320 y:124 fixed
00:02:045 (4) - ^ x:312 y:21 2 fixed
00:02:982 (2) - move it down one fixed
00:03:264 (4) - Move it up once and to the right once fixed
00:04:295 (4) - Move it to the left once fixed
00:04:670 (2) - Move it to x:336 y:76fixed
00:05:045 (4) - ^ x:336 y:172 fixed
00:04:482 (1) - ^ x:248 y:208 fixed
00:04:857 (3) - ^ x:180 y:140 fixed
00:05:607 (1) - ^ x:264 y:124 fixed
00:05:232 (5) - ^ x:232 y:44, Middle node x: 188 y:28, end node x:136 y:40, so it can kinda feel like blanketing 3. fixed
00:05:982 (3) - ^ x:356 y:208 fixed

00:05:795 (2,3) - i think it'd be better if you swapped it. Just highlight those two and ctrl+g I agree!
00:06:170 (4,5,6) - Highlight these three and move it to x:320 y:296 Done
00:06:357 (6) - ^if done, node should be - Middle node x:168 y:304, End node: x:164 y:200 your coordinates were off but I get what you mean, done
should look like this http://puu.sh/a9aUw/820dfaa022.jpg
00:07:107 (2) - i think it's better here, continuing the slider from before, starting at x:157 y:212, middle x:188 y:172, end x:240 y:160
^ Looks like this http://puu.sh/a9cVP/b671bb259f.jpg done
00:08:232 (1) - hm..i think moving the beginning of the slider here would be better, at x:212 y:200. hrm, try this kind of slider? 2nd Node (red) x:256 y:136, 3rd node, x:188 y:84, end node x:208 y:-8 thank you so much, I had no idea what to do to that
^ Looks like this http://puu.sh/a9dQV/d770d04ec7.jpg
00:09:357 (1) - Mid node x:344 y:188, end node x:300 y:100 <--better blanket blanketed
00:09:920 (2) - move it to where this is --->00:08:982 (3) - done
00:10:107 (3) - Slider, Start Node x:344 y:264, mid node x:312 y:300, end node x:248 y:312. I think it feels better this way, my opinion :3 done?
^---- http://puu.sh/a9eTx/c9aaadf1cf.jpg
00:10:670 (2) - Wouldn't it be better if it was horizontally straight? o.o done
00:11:045 (3) - move this down so it aligns with 00:10:482 (1) - horizontally?done
00:11:232 (4) - move it to the left a little, so it can be in the middle, and try changing the slider shape to something else ._. I like it dis way ._.
00:13:670 (2,3,4) - i liked it stack better :3 I like motion better :c stacks feel too static
00:14:045 (5) - end node at x:144 y:92 or w.e so it can align with the streamfixed
---------------------------(jumps with glee, then falls with despair)--------------------------------
Moar modding! orz
00:20:045 (4) - Start node x:324 y:268, end node x:176 y:104. To make it look a bit cleaner ofc.fixed
Oh my...it's 4:30 am and i gotta wake up at 8 :l. Rip,. i'll finish teh mod later, and im such a slow modder
/me runs

I Look forward to more mods~

Hello~

Good job.I believe You will success.

Rush_FTK wrote:

Hello~

Mod

Poor both modding and language skill,I hope it can help you.

[binaryfruit's Normal]
Suggestion:
- All notes this mod not mentioned Vol.=70%
- 01:19:857 (4) NC.

My Opinion:
- 00:02:607(2) I think it can made like this,follow the drum.

img link(if you can't see this image)
http://puu.sh/alYgd/a0a608b4c2.jpg
- 00:26:982 replace to this,make the arrgenment variety.
- 00:55:482 (3,4,5,6) Vol.=35%
- 01:53:982 (1,2,1,2,3) What is they follow.lots of object not follow the music.
Others not checked because the beatmap seemed have same rhythm(1 snap per map) in most of the beatmap,It made player bored.

[Theramadan's Hard]

- 00:14:045 (5) changed a little.

img link(if you can't see this image)
http://puu.sh/alYUJ/3f49ffc0c3.jpg
- 01:31:107 (4) divided it to a slider in 01:31:107 ~ 01:31:482,and a circle in 01:31:857.
- 02:25:107 (3) Sound no need turn back.
- 02:31:014 changed a little.

img link(if you can't see this image)
http://puu.sh/alZot/9382a4b83d.jpg
- 03:50:420 an idea

img link(if you can't see this image)
http://puu.sh/am0dk/a6f6da753f.jpg

[Insane]
-I think some note is not suif for music
For example 00:29:982 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8).I think this fits the drum beats >.<
- 00:26:982 (1,2,3,4)move a little. fixed

img link(if you can't see this image)
http://puu.sh/am0mB/02bdb76863.jpg
- 00:36:357 (4) NC fixed
- 00:37:014 (7) ^ fixed
- 00:49:482 (5,1) NC former than latter. fixed
- 00:48:545 an idea. fixed

img link(if you can't see this image)
http://puu.sh/am0OX/4f62febabb.jpg

img link(if you can't see this image)
http://puu.sh/am0LI/d47b0f18f4.jpg
- 00:53:982 (2,3,4,5,6) uncomfortable to play. I like the pattern :c
- 00:56:045 (1,2,3,4) change a normal arrgenment which people usually see it.I think that's make it a little more boring :3

img link(if you can't see this image)
http://puu.sh/am0UA/4c1bbae521.jpg
- 01:02:982 (1,2,3,4) changed a little.maybe more better to see. fixed

img link(if you can't see this image)
http://puu.sh/am1de/106121670c.jpg
- 01:23:982 (9) divided to 3 slider? I'd been doing that the whole song so I changed it up while still having it fit

img link(if you can't see this image)
http://puu.sh/am1pB/4b1be9b988.jpg
- 01:34:107 (1) move to (160,144) :c
- 02:46:107 (7) NC. fixed
- 03:11:420 (1,2,3,4,5,6) Not suit for music? I think it fits but will keep it in mind if others point it out
- 03:26:232 (3) move to (180,40);then 03:26:607 (4) mobe to (235,152). but triangles are boring :c
- 03:37:107 (7) lower SV there to let it smaller.I dun think that it'd fit with the music well

Good job.I believe You will success.

Thanks for the mod~ and the support ^^ I'll let the GD mappers know check over your suggestions. for now have some kudosu :3

gonna redownload this and apply mod /minor changes/minor or major remap when I return

rammy <3

Rush_FTK wrote:

Hello~ o/
[box=Mod]Poor both modding and language skill,I hope it can help you. Thanks

[binaryfruit's Normal]
Suggestion:
- All notes this mod not mentioned Vol.=70% OK
- 01:19:857 (4) NC. No, I think that is a strange place to put NC >.<;;

My Opinion:
- 00:02:607(2) I think it can made like this,follow the drum. I changed it :3

img link(if you can't see this image)
http://puu.sh/alYgd/a0a608b4c2.jpg
- 00:26:982 replace to this,make the arrgenment variety. I will change this part
- 00:55:482 (3,4,5,6) Vol.=35% That is very quiet! I will use 50%
- 01:53:982 (1,2,1,2,3) What is they follow.lots of object not follow the music. They're following the rhythm; not an instrument
Others not checked because the beatmap seemed have same rhythm(1 snap per map) in most of the beatmap,It made player bored. Yes, someone else said that too. I will try to make the map more interesting by adding some 1/2 notes.

Good job.I believe You will success.

Thank you very much!

wow I totally just deleted half of my mod

ugh

binaryfruit's diff is really good
good luck

Maeglwn wrote:

wow I totally just deleted half of my mod

ugh

[General]

1. MAKE YO BREAKS CONSISTENT WITH ALL DIFFS

I dun get this cause insanes and easys shouldn't have the same breaks imo

[binaryfruit's Normal]

1. most of this got deleted so I'll give you the jist of what I was saying: there is a TON of overlaps in this diff. like a TONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN. fix them. LOL the other things I mentioned were small and not as big as this. I'll look back over this later at some point maybe

[theramdans's Hard]

1. the main issue that I have with this difficulty is that it just seems.. boring. there's not really a whole lot in the way of jumps, and the vocal mapping style without like, the combination of drums and vocals together makes for a.. not so fun map to play. try adding in more note density throughout the map and adding some jumps in. DS in general in the map is low too
2. 00:13:482 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I don't really like the way this plays. pull 6 out from under 5, make 2,3,4 like.. an actual movement based stream (probably like, very small spacing but not stacked) and you'll have a much more fun to play rhythm here
3. 00:14:982 - don't really understand the break here. the breaks are just all over the place in these diffs
4. 00:58:857 (2,3,4) - bad overlap with 2/4
5. 01:23:607 (3,4) - bad flow here. try making 3 go into 4 instead of away from it
6. 01:25:107 (1) - this spinner being here is.. not really making a ton of sense. why not just map the stuff under it? spinners don't really call for a ton of interaction.
7. 01:35:420 (2,3,4) - spacing being different here than the rest of the map is weird
8. 01:55:482 (4,5,6) - ^ there's a few other situations, but not going to list all of them. just look over it
9. 02:01:107 (4,5,6) - this part plays awkwardly as all hell. the double vs the triple that comes up soon after makes this part super annoying to play. try sliders or something instead of that double.
10. 03:04:482 (5) - try a repeat with this to account for the voice change. instead of making it a long slider like it is now.
11. 03:19:482 (1) - don't like this spinner one bit. consider just mapping the stuff under it instead, this spinner doesnt' really make a ton of sense being where it is now.
12. 03:21:357 - this break afterwards also doesn't really make a ton of sense.
13. 03:45:357 (2,3,4) - seems to break flow too much, and is a generally unfun rhythm. make just make them into more triangles, the triangle pattern is better than this.
14. 03:54:357 - get rid of this break too. the notes right after the spinner like that would be a fantastic thing to jump into, the break just makes it boring
    yea, I think I've explained enough concerns with this

[Insane]

• ughhhh.. I really dislike the amount of pattern usage in places where it doesn't warrant it. try more basic patterns and more things that like.. are just more fun. you just have jumps all over the place in this map and it's just generally not fun. there's no consistency, it just seems like constant rhythms. go look at stuff like mythol maps and stuff like that, try to base your mapping around that type of style. as the map looks right now, it just looks like a pattern/jump testing map, and that's not really something you want as a ranked thing, especially not like your first I'm not saying like completely remap it, but the patterns could definitely use an overhaul. A few things; basic patterns are just that, basic. they aren't really that fun to use a lot imo and are stale due to everyone using them. This isn't even close to being like a jump training map at all. Also I dun really think that trying to emulate someone elses style is something that you should do. Imo mapping is a form of expression just like painting or writing, so how can I express myself if I semi-copy someone elses mapping style.

1. 00:14:982 (5) - do NOT do this with the kiai I'm not sure about this cause I didn't hitsound it or anything but I'll ask around some cause idk why you wouldn't be able to
2. 00:17:982 (1,2,3) - sliders like this generally don't look that good. try blanketing each of them onto each other instead of overlapping the ends of them.I know I'm in the minority but I think they look good
3. 00:17:982 (1,2,3,4,5) - 1,2 and 5 don't overlap correctly. fix that so they're all on top of each other fixed
4. 00:45:545 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - random triplets like these are overmapping. don't do that fixed, thought it matched the vocals but was wrong
5. 01:02:045 (4,5,6,7) - this is really hard to read and looks awful. make 4 off to the side of 5 instead of on the end of it, then trail 6,7 off the end of 5 instead of stacking it. I think it's fine personally, and nobody's compained about it yet. Reading is a skill after all
6. 01:17:420 (5,1) - overlap issue fixed
   
   there's a ton of this stuff that I could point out for days, but I'm not going to. I would really, REALLY go over the map again and make sure overlaps are clean and not like.. overlapping in the literal sense. the sliders that are on each other's ends don't really look too good either. there's just.. the map isn't super clean. make it cleaner and then tell me to recheck it.

binaryfruit's diff is really good
good luck

Thanks for the mod ^^ I changed a few things but some stuff I just don't agree with personally >.< sorry :c I'll tell binary and rammy to check over the rest when they get a chance <3 have some kudosu~

WARNING: CRUDENESS AHEAD. CONTINUE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Hi. I wanted to have a look at this but your attitude is throwing me off, so I'll just throw some opinions in here so that you can ignore them.

For someone who believes mapping is an art, what you made is nowhere near artistic. Visually, this is honestly bad, and in terms of gameplay, it's even worse. You think your patterns are original and stuff, but really, they're just the most basic patterns, except badly made. I mean, 01:28:107 (5,6,7,8,9) - in Insane.

As an art, mapping has a whole set of unspoken rules and techniques that are known to improve the quality of a map. You cannot just choose to ignore them because you think you're above that. These techniques have been developed over the years by the entire mapping community. This goes for these "basic" patterns you're disapproving of, while attempting to use a bad version of them in your own map. Sorry if this hurts you, but you're not the Shakespeare of mapping. There are conventions, and if you don't follow them, your map will be bad. Please get off your high horse and learn to accept criticism. If all you can find to refuse a suggestion is "I think this is fine" and "no one has complained", you may want to rethink your attitude and the way you handle critics.

If you decide that you're here to learn, I will be more than happy to help you with whatever questions you have, but until then, I strongly suggest you read back through Maeglwn's mod and think about it without deciding to ignore it beforehand. Maybe read some mapping guides, or look at what works and what doesn't in other ranked maps. Being inspired by other works is good and that is how you will improve. You're free and actually encouraged to take what you like from other maps and make it your own, as long as you do not copy blindly, but unlike what you seem to think, you will never be bringing anything actually new to the mapping scene.

Hit me up in-game if you want help, I will be happy to go through the basics of mapping with you, and even more if you want.

Shiro wrote:

WARNING: CRUDENESS AHEAD. CONTINUE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Hi. I wanted to have a look at this but your attitude is throwing me off, so I'll just throw some opinions in here so that you can ignore them.

For someone who believes mapping is an art, what you made is nowhere near artistic. Visually, this is honestly bad, and in terms of gameplay, it's even worse. You think your patterns are original and stuff, but really, they're just the most basic patterns, except badly made. I mean, 01:28:107 (5,6,7,8,9) - in Insane.

As an art, mapping has a whole set of unspoken rules and techniques that are known to improve the quality of a map. You cannot just choose to ignore them because you think you're above that. These techniques have been developed over the years by the entire mapping community. This goes for these "basic" patterns you're disapproving of, while attempting to use a bad version of them in your own map. Sorry if this hurts you, but you're not the Shakespeare of mapping. There are conventions, and if you don't follow them, your map will be bad. Please get off your high horse and learn to accept criticism. If all you can find to refuse a suggestion is "I think this is fine" and "no one has complained", you may want to rethink your attitude and the way you handle critics.

If you decide that you're here to learn, I will be more than happy to help you with whatever questions you have, but until then, I strongly suggest you read back through Maeglwn's mod and think about it without deciding to ignore it beforehand. Maybe read some mapping guides, or look at what works and what doesn't in other ranked maps. Being inspired by other works is good and that is how you will improve. You're free and actually encouraged to take what you like from other maps and make it your own, as long as you do not copy blindly, but unlike what you seem to think, you will never be bringing anything actually new to the mapping scene.

Hit me up in-game if you want help, I will be happy to go through the basics of mapping with you, and even more if you want.

WARNING CRUDENESS AHEAD

Although I'm probably going to get in trouble for saying something back to this, I enjoy how you tried to make it seem like I said things that I never did.

"For someone who believes mapping is an art"
I never said this at all, I said that it was a form of EXPRESSION, I compared it to painting and writing, but there are plenty of forms of expression that aren't art.

"Visually, this is honestly bad"
I admit that I'm not the best at making things super visually appealing, although I never claimed to, I just said I use mapping to express myself.

"You think your patterns are original and stuff, but really, they're just the most basic patterns, except badly made"
I said that I don't want to use basic patterns a lot because they'd get boring, and the way he was wording it made it seem like it's all I should use

" You cannot just choose to ignore them because you think you're above that"
I never claimed to be above anything at all, It seems crazy to me that something nobody complains about is suddenly a rule cause 1 person (2 now) points it out. To me it sounds more like an opinion

" but you're not the Shakespeare of mapping"
I never claimed to be.

" Please get off your high horse and learn to accept criticism"
If you look through the past mods you'll see that I willing accept plenty of criticism, but at the same time I'm not going to blindly follow someone with everything they say.

"If you decide that you're here to learn, I will be more than happy to help you with whatever questions you have"
Don't worry, I'm here to learn, but I won't be asking you any questions personally based on this response

"look at what works and what doesn't in other ranked maps"
Seeing as a large amount of things that were said I should change ARE in other ranked maps I have already done this

"ughhhh.. I really dislike the amount of pattern usage in places where it doesn't warrant it. try more basic patterns and more things that like.. are just more fun. you just have jumps all over the place in this map and it's just generally not fun. there's no consistency, it just seems like constant rhythms. go look at stuff like mythol maps and stuff like that, try to base your mapping around that type of style. as the map looks right now, it just looks like a pattern/jump testing map, and that's not really something you want as a ranked thing, especially not like your first I'm not saying like completely remap it, but the patterns could definitely use an overhaul."
The general tone of his mod is the reason why I was less accepting of critisicm. anything that starts the way this did gives off a negative vibe and the fact that he's saying that what he's suggesting is automatically more fun (fun is subjective) is just insulting honestly.
My attitude was a direct result of his.

It's also amazing to me that a member of the BAT can be so caustic and aggressive towards a new mapper for little reason at all. Clearly if you look through past modes I am willing to listen to criticism and change things but saying something like "My way will be more fun" or "This is hard to read and looks awful" as a reasoning to change something without any further reasoning (I am a brand new mapper after all so why would I know "unspoken rules") comes off as an elitist attitude instead of someone willing to help someone out.

Tone should change close to nothing. Criticism is criticism, and the tone of delivery does not change that (I mean, if you look at my mods, I sound rude most of the time like I did to you in my response). If there's something you do not understand, you should have asked for clarification.

(And you won't get in trouble ever, at least not with me, for replying with your opinion. If anything, I like your answering a lot more than people just going "k" and acting like they read anything. You proved my first sentence wrong by simply answering to this.)

The way you worded your answer made me think what I asserted. If I read too much into it, I apologize, but you can't quite blame me for it (or you can, feel free to). People never state what they think and I got the habit of reading between the lines. If a mod insults you, take it up to the modder, but don't be shrugged off by it - there's always something good to take out of criticism. Something being hard to read or looking awful is a valid remark (although your comment is right on the reasoning part), but I can't really see any kind of elitism in the mod. I didn't mean to appear aggressive at all though, I guess that's just the way I word things ?

If you're willing to learn these unspoken rules I referred to, I will be more than happy to help you with them. If you don't want to accept it because you think I'm a rude asshole, it's your loss, but I won't keep it against you. I agree that this Insane needs a lot of work, but you're free to choose who you want to receive help from. I would rather you refuse my help from the start instead of making me waste three hours of my time trying to give advice to someone who wasn't even listening.

Just stating my thoughts here after going through your hard.

Less triangles maybe? like after 10 of them i'm kinda done with it, do something creative, same for the line of circles you used quite a few times, switch it up a little bit because at the moment the map has 0 hard patterns (they are all rlly close together so easy to play) and 0 jumps. Then the kiai time didn't change anything to me, it might just be me but usually the kiai time should be a bit different and usually bit harder than the rest.
Overall the hard is kinda boring at the moment.

Don't bother with kudosu (not that i would get any for a comment like this) I just played through it twice.

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