Oh I definitely still think the 30 second MLP maps are shameful. There's like nothing to learn from them and they are pretty much played solely for the pp. I only brought up koigokoro as a potential discussion branching point having no personal experience with the map myself. I still think the 180-200 bpm early DT maps are pretty stupid because pretty much any equivalent star difficulty nomod map with same bpm is significantly more difficult and rewards less pp. The faster DT maps at least require you to have a skill beyond those developed in nomod maps.