The Road to Cookiezi-Tier

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LuckyStrike

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years the level Cookiezi was at the end of last year will still be unmatched simply because I doubt rrtyui will be playing for much longer [hes bored of no competition] and it's hard to get the level of aim those 2 have since only big circle maps get ranked nowadays and thats probably not going to change?

Buuut who knows a lot can happen in 10 years, many can rise and fall, and I like to think Osu will still be around because of the community nature of it, not just some disposable way for some company to jew people with cash shop based free gameplay until it's not profitable then pulling the plug. It's also kind of 'timeless'.
Wha... i don't even...

Are you high? Who doesn't allow you to change circle size? It doesn't take very long time to change them via editor (although i wrote a program for myself for instant changing it). Also circle size doesn't really matter. You probably don't even know what reading is (and don't say like you do. I'm sure you are from those people who think "OH GOD AR 10 DAMN SO FAST PEOPLE WHO CAN READ IT ARE GODS", although AR10 makes everything easier. For example i'm sure there would be much more FCs at dragonforce maps if they were AR9, and freedom dive if it was AR10, at least i could pass it on AR10, but i can't on AR9).

Also rrtyui started to play when circles were big and yet he has the best aim atm.
TheVileOne
Noone is stopping anyone from using smaller circles. Older maps weren't even difficult by today's standards. I don't know where this whole circle size issue became a problem. Today's maps are more difficult than older (ranked/approved) maps.
jasian
If you wanna be Cookiezi you're going to need to dedicate your life for the next few years to even get close to him. To build the muscle memory, reading, timing, stamina and speed to match Cookiezi isn't going to be easy.


Here's a rundown of how dominant he was before he was banned as shown by Osutp.net (November 2013):
(His scores on that page) (Cumulative total)
page 1 34 34/50
page 2 21 55/100
page 3 24 79/150
page 4 27 106/200
page 5 14 120/250
page 6 14 134/300
page 7 10 144/350
page 8 17 161/400
page 9 14 175/450
page 10 12 187/500


As you can see here Cookiezi owned more than two thirds (68%) of the top 50 scores ever in Osu! at that time. In the top 500 scores he owned 187 of 500, or 37.4%. When you're able to own two thirds of the best ever scores you know that you cannot be matched. Rrtyui is amazing, but not even on Cookiezi's level. This isn't fanboying, this is straight up facts.

I like your determination, but I think you underestimate just how hard Cookiezi dominated Osu!
Vuelo Eluko

LuckyStrike wrote:

Wha... i don't even...

Are you high? Who doesn't allow you to change circle size? It doesn't take very long time to change them via editor (although i wrote a program for myself for instant changing it). Also circle size doesn't really matter. You probably don't even know what reading is (and don't say like you do. I'm sure you are from those people who think "OH GOD AR 10 DAMN SO FAST PEOPLE WHO CAN READ IT ARE GODS", although AR10 makes everything easier. For example i'm sure there would be much more FCs at dragonforce maps if they were AR9, and freedom dive if it was AR10, at least i could pass it on AR10, but i can't on AR9).

Also rrtyui started to play when circles were big and yet he has the best aim atm.
i know what reading is. AR10 does indeed make everything easier. There are plenty of maps I can pass better at ar10 versus ar9... AR10 makes it easier because it's fast and you have to read less.

so that taken into consideration sounds like you're the one who can't read if your last statement is true. Let me guess. 400x100? It's not whack-a-mole. Practice. Turn on hitsounds. Stop staring at the approach circles. Good luck.
LuckyStrike

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

i know what reading is. AR10 does indeed make everything easier. There are plenty of maps I can pass better at ar10 versus ar9... AR10 makes it easier because it's fast and you have to read less.

so that taken into consideration sounds like you're the one who can't read if your last statement is true. Let me guess. 400x100? It's not whack-a-mole. Practice. Turn on hitsounds. Stop staring at the approach circles. Good luck.
Sure I can't read, and nobody else can, if we talk about FD/dragonforce maps. And if we talk about me, my best run on FD was about 88% accuracy until the spaced streams at the end, and 95% with autopilot.

Also i never starred at approach circles, don't give me advices, pls. The main thing is amount of elements on the screen. The more elements = the harder to read, that's all.

And i know about my bad reading, that's why the whole last month i've been playing usually 140-160BPM maps with AR7 (mostly warm-up), 170-190 with AR8 (dt sometimes) and 190-220 maps with AR9. Ofcourse not easy maps. They're full of 1/2 jumps, since i wrote a program for it (before it i was playing that guitar vs piano by Aqo).
Vuelo Eluko

LuckyStrike wrote:

95% with autopilot. .
you can taiko with 2 buttons and no color coded notes
thats pretty impressive.
LuckyStrike

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

LuckyStrike wrote:

95% with autopilot. .
you can taiko with 2 buttons and no color coded notes
thats pretty impressive.
Taiko? what are you talking about? If you mean i used two hands, then you are wrong. I don't even know if you're serious about it. There are much people who can stream 4D, but not FC'd it yet because it's hard to read.
Vuelo Eluko
Taiko is the game mode where you use the keyboard to hit notes that approach. If you start up Osu! and go to Play > Solo you can select it from the list of modes at the bottom.
TheVileOne
Please lets not turn this into a flame war about who can read what map.

Also may I add the differences in each of your ranks. Know your place in the skill chain.
Vuelo Eluko

TheVileOne wrote:

Please lets not turn this into a flame war about who can read what map.

Also may I add the differences in each of your ranks. Know your place in the skill chain.
What does rank have to do with this?
Coffee Hero

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

i know what reading is. AR10 does indeed make everything easier. There are plenty of maps I can pass better at ar10 versus ar9... AR10 makes it easier because it's fast and you have to read less.

so that taken into consideration sounds like you're the one who can't read if your last statement is true. Let me guess. 400x100? It's not whack-a-mole. Practice. Turn on hitsounds. Stop staring at the approach circles. Good luck.
I highly doubt you can even play AR9 well and AR 10 at all.
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Woobowiz
Please friends T.T
No fighting
Vuelo Eluko

Shirokami- wrote:

I highly doubt you can even play AR9 well and AR 10 at all.
i can't play well in general but i can play both of those.
why's everyone assuming ar10 is unplayable for me? Did they all take years to learn it? Did you 2 spend years farming easy/normals in ppv1?
thanks for giving me another excuse to grab an extra post count
usa
good luck.
highly ignorant and unrealistic goal, but whatever.

just hope you'll eventually realize there is a difference between tackling a massive mountain all at once and tackling small steps to get you up the mountain.
also, just because you try, doesn't mean you'll succeed or that it'll get you anywhere.
same thing with "believing" that you'll succeed.
you are born with a certain maximum capacity and physical limit, just don't be upset if it's not what you "believed" it to be.

there is an insane amount of technicality in osu!, and you'll start to understand it as you get better at the game.
at that time, you'll realize why all the top ranking people who have been playing as much and hard as (if not harder than) cokezi couldn't beat him.

most people hit their try hard breaking point in 1-2 years, so good luck keeping this up beyond that.
NinjaNick
It's gonna be hard, good luck, your going to need it.
El Koko
you're all so annoying and demoralising let the dude play

I don't believe he's actually taking into account what most of you are saying anyway; he has the determination to do it and most important of all, he wants to have fun doing it.

Do your best boy, I believe it's going to be entertaining to see your progress. Not wishing you luck, this game isn't about luck.
mcdoomfrag

Woobowiz wrote:

I'm not quite sure how long it will take me to reach that level, in terms of just clearing those songs,I'd give it by the end of summer? (You can laugh if you want)

I'm gonna work on AR, then Streams, then I'll step into faster songs. After I get comfortable with AR 9 and OD 8/9, then I'll work on FCing Talent Shredder
I don't want to sound demoralizing, but you should probably work on setting some more realistic short term goals. After you get comfortable with AR 9, you will still be MILES away from FCing Talent Shredder, and don't get me started on big black/chipscape by the end of summer, you are severely underestimating the difficulty of these maps (Though you were probably gonna realize this on your own soon enough, I'll just attribute your statements to blissful ignorance of a new osu player).

If anything, take my words as a challenge, more than being demoralizing, but I just want to make sure you understand just HOW difficult maps like Talent Shredder are to FC. Getting comfortable with AR9 will only allow you to beat your average insane map. Maps like Talent Shredder are far from being your average insane map (spaced streaming and hard to read). Try FCing The Island or maybe Wahrheit first, they are probably better short term goals. Just my 2 cents.
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Woobowiz

mcdoomfrag wrote:

Woobowiz wrote:

I'm not quite sure how long it will take me to reach that level, in terms of just clearing those songs,I'd give it by the end of summer? (You can laugh if you want)

I'm gonna work on AR, then Streams, then I'll step into faster songs. After I get comfortable with AR 9 and OD 8/9, then I'll work on FCing Talent Shredder
I don't want to sound demoralizing, but you should probably work on setting some more realistic short term goals. After you get comfortable with AR 9, you will still be MILES away from FCing Talent Shredder, and don't get me started on big black/chipscape by the end of summer, you are severely underestimating the difficulty of these maps (Though you were probably gonna realize this on your own soon enough, I'll just attribute your statements to blissful ignorance of a new osu player).

If anything, take my words as a challenge, more than being demoralizing, but I just want to make sure you understand just HOW difficult maps like Talent Shredder are to FC. Getting comfortable with AR9 will only allow you to beat your average insane map. Maps like Talent Shredder are far from being your average insane map (spaced streaming and hard to read). Try FCing The Island or maybe Wahrheit first, they are probably better short term goals. Just my 2 cents.
I'll take a look at those 2 tomorrow, thanks for the suggestion!

EDIT: Also, Nonon is best La Kill
TheVileOne
Please leave personal conflict outside of this thread.
XGeneral2000
I think a lot of the, eh...lack of faith in this thread is not because people don't think you can do it, but because they think you won't.

This is gonna be kind of a long post. I rant a little. Ok, a lot.

This isn't the first time I've seen something like this over all of the various communities that I've been a part of. A newcomer appears and they make big claims - they'll be #1 in a year, they'll win the next big tournament, etc. They've got it all planned out - the schedule, the logistics, the equipment, everything. Maybe they've even got promise, talent even. They stir up a lot of hype and attention - both positive and negative, as you've seen here.

Six months later, they're gone. No one even remembers. Every time.

If you don't want to read the rest of this post and just want me to get to the point, skip the entire next section separated by bold dashed lines.

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Let me tell you a story, to help explain.

I'm currently a graduate student at a fairly difficult engineering college, and I was an active member of a fraternity during my undergraduate career. There's a lot that goes on during the recruitment and pledge processes to decide who initiates into a full member and who doesn't, but we have one hard requirement - a minimum of a 2.7 GPA during the pledge semester. Without that, even if they're the greatest guy on the planet, we can't let them initiate.

The ones that don't make that 2.7 GPA are typically given another chance as a pledge, but they're required to show us how they plan to boost their grades first. They usually make elaborate schedules and plans - study hours, tutoring hours, weekly meetings with their professors, the works. It all sounds great on paper.

Over the four years as an active undergraduate member, I saw maybe 20 of these "holdover pledges" - people that wanted to stay, but didn't make the 2.7 GPA cutoff the first time. All of them made a plan like the one I mentioned above. All of them were really excited about it, pumped up. And so were we, because these were good people we wanted to initiate.

Of those 20, exactly 1 ever made it to full initiation. One. The rest were, as they say, "tears in rain".

Why?

Have you ever made New Year's resolutions?

Lots of people make them. The stereotypical one is to "lose weight", but there are others - find a job, get good grades, quit smoking. They might even plan it out. An exercise and diet plan, with monthly goals to "lose X pounds". Or maybe they have their resume to go, and they're going to try and "land X interviews" per month.

But they lose interest. They lose the drive as the moment fades. They start "forgetting" to go to the gym. They put off writing the job application until tomorrow. They decide they can miss just one homework assignment, because there's a lot more and one's not so important. They figure one cigarette every once in a while can't be so bad, because hey, they've been clean for 2 weeks already. And within a couple months, I'd say most people have quit altogether.

And then you can probably guess what they do next year, at New Year's.

So why?

In the end, it's really simple. Words are cheap. Inspiration fades. Following the plan is hard, and deviating is easy. And no one but you is there to keep you on track. No one cares but you. As soon as you stop caring, the whole thing is as good as dead.

And it's hard to keep a habit. Because in the end, that's what you're really trying to do - form a habit. It's not as simple as checking a box, or unlocking an achievement in a game. Your goals are long-term, and even once you've hit them, you can't just go back to what you were before. You need to maintain that, and that means you need to keep working for as long as your goal matters to you, even after you've reached it.

But quitting is that simple. As soon as you've skipped the first homework assignment or smoked the first cigarette, it's all over. You'll fall all the way back down to the bottom, a lot faster than you came up. Gravity's a tough mistress.

Granted, osu!'s not the same thing as dieting or kicking an addiction. But the idea that it's "long-term" is the same. You've got the motivation now. You've got drive, passion, a vision. You can see the peak of the mountain. But what about next week? Next month? Next year? What happens when you graduate and suddenly you have to start worrying about the future? Or maybe something happens in another hobby of yours (assuming you have more than osu! in life) and you suddenly want to devote more time to it?

Even if we keep it strictly in context of osu!, what about walls? What happens when you play for 3 months and you don't get better? What happens when you find you can't reproduce plays you did last year? I could totally play that one song with HR last week - and now I can't! What? I practiced all that time and I somehow got worse? It's easy to think of time in 6-month or 1-year chunks now, and figure you'll get better on average, but it's way different to experience that frustration in the middle, and start wondering if you're hitting a ceiling, or just doing something plain wrong.

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I'm really rambling now, so I'm going to wrap this up by going back to what I said earlier. Words are cheap. Really cheap. Cookiezi never claimed he was going to be #1 in a year when he was still unknown, to my knowledge. Neither did rrtyui. Neither did anyone I can think of, either in this community or that of any other hobby. They did their work silently. They didn't say what they were going to do, and how there were going to do it. They didn't follow someone else's 12-step program to do it. They just did.

And look, I don't know who you are - I get that. I know nothing about you, or your life, or your character. Maybe you really do the stuff you say you'll do, even if it's 5 years out. Maybe your determination will carry you through to the end. Remember, even if only one out of those 20 people got to initiation, there was still one. Maybe you're that guy. I don't know. I'm just speaking from experience here. Statistics. And I don't want you to waste your time doing things that won't help. I don't want you to bitterly quit 6 months from now just because you weren't where you said you'd be. I know the joke around here is that osu! is an addiction and we all secretly wish we could quit, but I would rather you still be playing next year, and having just as much fun as you are now, no matter how good or bad you are.

So that's my advice to you. Can you beat Cookiezi? Of course you can. Cookiezi is just clicking circles. Everyone here is. There's no thermodynamic law of the universe preventing you from clicking circles. Don't sit at the drawing board all day theorizing. Don't tell us you can do it. Just go do it. Your rank will speak for itself.
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