Can hardwork overcome natural talent?

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Husky
Talent helps you to improve faster. Some of people has better feeling of rhytm, some of them has it worse. If I'd play on a piano for my whole life, will I be better than Chopin or someone?
GoldenWolf

Husky wrote:

If I'd play on a piano for my whole life, will I be better than Chopin or someone?
You won't know until you try.
Foneza
To be a 'natural' at something, it's like a god's gift. But 'hardwork' is more satisfying in the end. You're able to win 'natural talented' people with 'hardwork'. I don't know. It's just you have to 'FEEL' it yourself.

AND YES, HARDWORK CAN OVERCOME NATURAL TALENT.
But time will tell.
takaharrue
I guess some people must have the guide to play osu! coded in their genes somewhere. Huh, that's really funny. I guess I should just kill myself over and over until' I get that gene.

-_-
Foneza

takaharrue wrote:

I guess some people must have the guide to play osu! coded in their genes somewhere. Huh, that's really funny. I guess I should just kill myself over and over until' I get that gene.

-_-
I Feel You Bro.
takaharrue


Oh no worries, guys. I found it, I guess there is a gene that codes for Osu! skill after all. Wow, that's funny. I should submit my findings to a scientific journal.
Karuta-

takaharrue wrote:



Oh no worries, guys. I found it, I guess there is a gene that codes for Osu! skill after all. Wow, that's funny. I should submit my findings to a scientific journal.
where did you get this?
Vuelo Eluko

[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:

takaharrue wrote:



Oh no worries, guys. I found it, I guess there is a gene that codes for Osu! skill after all. Wow, that's funny. I should submit my findings to a scientific journal.
where did you get this?
probably mad it himself

edit: im leaving that typo there
nrl
There's a pretty big misconception here that "talent" is some sort of baseline level of skill, and that's not really true. Rather, it represents your ability to learn that skill. It isn't a substitute for hard work, it's a supplement. Because of this, it's both totally possible and completely impossible to overcome natural talent with hard work; you don't need natural talent at all, but if you had more of it you would undoubtedly be a better player than you are currently.
GoldenWolf

Aqo wrote:

natural talent is an excuse by people who refuse to hard work
XGeneral2000
I don't know why anybody cares about this. We can circlejerk about this all day, about the definition of talent and whether it's genetic or based on learning and parallel skills or just Ondore's lies, but in the end, nothing changes at all.

If talent exists and you don't have it, you will never have it. All you have, and all you'll ever have, is hard work. Thinking really hard about talent and what it is and how significant it is won't give you any of it. The guy who has half your rank with half your playcount will still be better than you, and there is nothing you can do about it, except maybe play some more. That guy probably doesn't worry about talent, and neither should you.

If you want to think of alternate ways to get better besides retryx1000, you can look at changing your mentality, or the way you read maps, or your equipment/settings/skin/monitor/whatever - things you can actually change. Watch your replays, look at what you do wrong. Watch top replays, look at what they do differently from you. But thinking about stuff you can't change just wastes your time and makes you mad.

tl;dr just go play
takaharrue
I can guarantee you there is not a single person on Osu! with half my play count and half my rank that is better than me that isn't a 2nd account or someone who's had a lot of experience in other rhythm games.
Ethelon

takaharrue wrote:

I can guarantee you there is not a single person on Osu! with half my play count and half my rank that is better than me that isn't a 2nd account or someone who's had a lot of experience in other rhythm games.
<Removed a bit here about my own play.>

Are you trying to claim that a certain amount of plays is necessary to reach certain rankings?
Rewben2

takaharrue wrote:

I can guarantee you there is not a single person on Osu! with half my play count and half my rank that is better than me that isn't a 2nd account or someone who's had a lot of experience in other rhythm games.
Just scrolling through the performance charts I can see plenty of people that are rank 13k~ with 5-6k playcount.
Foneza

Rewben2 wrote:

takaharrue wrote:

I can guarantee you there is not a single person on Osu! with half my play count and half my rank that is better than me that isn't a 2nd account or someone who's had a lot of experience in other rhythm games.
Just scrolling through the performance charts I can see plenty of people that are rank 13k~ with 5-6k playcount.
^ THEY LIED.
GoldenWolf

takaharrue wrote:

I can guarantee you there is not a single person on Osu! with half my play count and half my rank that is better than me that isn't a 2nd account or someone who's had a lot of experience in other rhythm games.
Now that's pretentious.
Jordan
No it won't. It's like saying you'll run as fast as Usain Bolt if you try hard enough. You just won't, because he's got perfect genetics and you don't. Same goes for osu!, there are people who get insanely good at the game incredibly fast and others take up to 2 years to be able to even fc nomod insanes (me lol) playing for the same amount of time as said talented person. tl;dr Hard work beats talent but only if talent but only if talent doesn't work hard. You think Cookiezi really tried THIS hard to be good? He probably was at my current skill level in 5 or 6 months of playing. And I play since more than 3 years.
TheVileOne
If you have the time to spend 6 hours a day playing nothing but maps with DT then sure. You may not be #1 quality, but certainly you could be someone well above average. I would say mostly anyone has the potential to be in the top 1000 if they had enough patience. Very few people have the time or the patience to avoid bad habits, and the road isn't exactly enjoyable, which makes it hardly worth the effort to try to become the next cookiezi. I mean Cookiezi played the game until he went blind and it probably wasn't fun.
GoldenWolf

Jordan wrote:

No it won't. It's like saying you'll run as fast as Usain Bolt if you try hard enough. You just won't, because he's got perfect genetics and you don't. Same goes for osu!, there are people who get insanely good at the game incredibly fast and others take up to 2 years to be able to even fc nomod insanes (me lol) playing for the same amount of time as said talented person. tl;dr Hard work beats talent but only if talent but only if talent doesn't work hard. You think Cookiezi really tried THIS hard to be good? He probably was at my current skill level in 5 or 6 months of playing. And I play since more than 3 years.

Aqo wrote:

natural talent is an excuse by people who refuse to hard work
BRBP
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