I don't believe that there is such a thing as "talent". I think that the only thing that might make someone catch on to something quicker is just them having some past experience that helps them understand better (which can really be anything, not just experience in games exactly like the one they are going to start playing). For example, I think on rrtyui's ask.fm someone asked him a question and in his reply he said that he started to play osu! since he was already good in another rhythm game. It also depends on the current everyday environment you live in. Some small factors that might seem like they don't matter (i'm talking about things like the height of your desk or the form you put your hands in when you play) will probably add to the "talent". I also don't think that if you wanna be the best you play what comes naturally to you. If you copy what the #1 player does (how they hold their pen, or anything else), you could pick up something that adds to the small factors that might make you better, because what's comfortable or preferable to you might be limiting your skill level. Anyway, how is it possible that you are born good at flicking a pen and hitting a keyboard? So, yes, in my opinion, the only thing there is that will make you good is just playing the game a lot. What you could also try is improving your ability to concentrate on many things at once (you might not be able to improve it by a lot just playing osu!) which would give you a major boost in skill if you were able to improve a lot.
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interestingtakaharrue wrote:
I don't believe that there is such a thing as "talent".
Bassist Vinyl wrote:
interestingtakaharrue wrote:
I don't believe that there is such a thing as "talent".
It's all about the past experiences of your life from when you were born to when you start playing the game, different experiences will probably make you better at first over most other people, but they can always catch up to you from just playing more. And, this what I think makes someone considered to be "talented". Which, isn't really what most people think talent is. Most people say talent is what you are just born with, but that's completely different from what I think it is. So, I don't think there is "talent" in the way almost everyone thinks there is.
I remember that someone said "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard". The other one was "hard work can never beat talent when they're going in an equal amount of effort", but I can't recall which was whom.
No. People with talent can catch up to me in no time
talent comes with hard work, there is no natural talent ...
"Natural talent" is only going to get you so far, and that isn't far at all. You are only going to get good from practising and playing, there's a reason that all the top players have been playing for 3+ years.
What have anime's taught you? They taught me that the answer to your question is yes, but you usually need to go through a bumpy road to get to your destination.
Either way talented or talentless , they both need some work to get anywhere.
Either way talented or talentless , they both need some work to get anywhere.
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Kevin Durant (A pretty famous Basketball player in team Oklahoma City Thunder if you watch the NBA) said that quote.XK2238 wrote:
"hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard".
This quote makes more sense then the other one, since talent shouldn't be slacking off in the first place.
Reminds me of that story about the rabbit and turtle race. And we all know who won in the end, right?
Maybe talent starts off better, but as time goes on, it quickly diminishes.
To get to the pinnacle of a goal, one needs to work hard in order to reach the end.
Yes, hard work in the long run pays off more, because talent will only get you so far.
To get to the pinnacle of a goal, one needs to work hard in order to reach the end.
Yes, hard work in the long run pays off more, because talent will only get you so far.
natural talent is an excuse by people who refuse to hard work
Well I suppose I'll input my 2 cents~
Talents, genetics, mentality etc. are an important factor, there are plenty of top players who all try really hard at being good at Osu!, but obviously some are better than others.
Talents, genetics, mentality etc. are an important factor, there are plenty of top players who all try really hard at being good at Osu!, but obviously some are better than others.
I'm sure talent exists, but it's not a tangible or measurable advantage such as height in sports. For all I know, I could be the most talented player there is and everyone else better than me have just been working harder/longer. If I'm not getting as good as fast as I'd want to, it'd probably be best to always assume I'm just not focusing hard enough. There's always a bit more room for that anyways.
it's safe to assume that answer is no
and those saying otherwise are most of the time just deluding themselves just like those who say that they work harder than rest as there is always someone who'll work harder than you (and if this person is talented person then you're just no match to him, nor will be)
and those saying otherwise are most of the time just deluding themselves just like those who say that they work harder than rest as there is always someone who'll work harder than you (and if this person is talented person then you're just no match to him, nor will be)
Of course it can. Just because someone has "natural talent", doesn't make them automatically better. It just means that they have more potential; in which hard work is also required to "tap into" this potential.
just less work tho
just less work tho
People with good genes for some specific thing will always have an advantage over you. It's not just about past exp. But even those people won't get far without hard work. The difference is usually that they just need less time to reach the same level, but if we're talking about expert level (10000+ hours), nobody can get there without hard work.
I think tryharding is a talent in itself..
I tryhard but I don't try hard enough there for 0 talent is what I think anyways, its more of patience in my eyes.
I watched a friend sit on 1 song for 1 hour to correct 1x 100 he had for an SS, I would only ever find the patience to do this if the song was like 200 combo max
I tryhard but I don't try hard enough there for 0 talent is what I think anyways, its more of patience in my eyes.
I watched a friend sit on 1 song for 1 hour to correct 1x 100 he had for an SS, I would only ever find the patience to do this if the song was like 200 combo max
Aqo wrote:
natural talent is an excuse by people who refuse to hard work
Talent helps you to improve faster. Some of people has better feeling of rhytm, some of them has it worse. If I'd play on a piano for my whole life, will I be better than Chopin or someone?
You won't know until you try.Husky wrote:
If I'd play on a piano for my whole life, will I be better than Chopin or someone?
To be a 'natural' at something, it's like a god's gift. But 'hardwork' is more satisfying in the end. You're able to win 'natural talented' people with 'hardwork'. I don't know. It's just you have to 'FEEL' it yourself.
AND YES, HARDWORK CAN OVERCOME NATURAL TALENT.
But time will tell.
AND YES, HARDWORK CAN OVERCOME NATURAL TALENT.
But time will tell.
I guess some people must have the guide to play osu! coded in their genes somewhere. Huh, that's really funny. I guess I should just kill myself over and over until' I get that gene.
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I Feel You Bro.takaharrue wrote:
I guess some people must have the guide to play osu! coded in their genes somewhere. Huh, that's really funny. I guess I should just kill myself over and over until' I get that gene.
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Oh no worries, guys. I found it, I guess there is a gene that codes for Osu! skill after all. Wow, that's funny. I should submit my findings to a scientific journal.
where did you get this?takaharrue wrote:
Oh no worries, guys. I found it, I guess there is a gene that codes for Osu! skill after all. Wow, that's funny. I should submit my findings to a scientific journal.
probably mad it himself[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:
where did you get this?takaharrue wrote:
Oh no worries, guys. I found it, I guess there is a gene that codes for Osu! skill after all. Wow, that's funny. I should submit my findings to a scientific journal.
edit: im leaving that typo there
There's a pretty big misconception here that "talent" is some sort of baseline level of skill, and that's not really true. Rather, it represents your ability to learn that skill. It isn't a substitute for hard work, it's a supplement. Because of this, it's both totally possible and completely impossible to overcome natural talent with hard work; you don't need natural talent at all, but if you had more of it you would undoubtedly be a better player than you are currently.
Aqo wrote:
natural talent is an excuse by people who refuse to hard work
I don't know why anybody cares about this. We can circlejerk about this all day, about the definition of talent and whether it's genetic or based on learning and parallel skills or just Ondore's lies, but in the end, nothing changes at all.
If talent exists and you don't have it, you will never have it. All you have, and all you'll ever have, is hard work. Thinking really hard about talent and what it is and how significant it is won't give you any of it. The guy who has half your rank with half your playcount will still be better than you, and there is nothing you can do about it, except maybe play some more. That guy probably doesn't worry about talent, and neither should you.
If you want to think of alternate ways to get better besides retryx1000, you can look at changing your mentality, or the way you read maps, or your equipment/settings/skin/monitor/whatever - things you can actually change. Watch your replays, look at what you do wrong. Watch top replays, look at what they do differently from you. But thinking about stuff you can't change just wastes your time and makes you mad.
tl;dr just go play
If talent exists and you don't have it, you will never have it. All you have, and all you'll ever have, is hard work. Thinking really hard about talent and what it is and how significant it is won't give you any of it. The guy who has half your rank with half your playcount will still be better than you, and there is nothing you can do about it, except maybe play some more. That guy probably doesn't worry about talent, and neither should you.
If you want to think of alternate ways to get better besides retryx1000, you can look at changing your mentality, or the way you read maps, or your equipment/settings/skin/monitor/whatever - things you can actually change. Watch your replays, look at what you do wrong. Watch top replays, look at what they do differently from you. But thinking about stuff you can't change just wastes your time and makes you mad.
tl;dr just go play
I can guarantee you there is not a single person on Osu! with half my play count and half my rank that is better than me that isn't a 2nd account or someone who's had a lot of experience in other rhythm games.
<Removed a bit here about my own play.>takaharrue wrote:
I can guarantee you there is not a single person on Osu! with half my play count and half my rank that is better than me that isn't a 2nd account or someone who's had a lot of experience in other rhythm games.
Are you trying to claim that a certain amount of plays is necessary to reach certain rankings?
Just scrolling through the performance charts I can see plenty of people that are rank 13k~ with 5-6k playcount.takaharrue wrote:
I can guarantee you there is not a single person on Osu! with half my play count and half my rank that is better than me that isn't a 2nd account or someone who's had a lot of experience in other rhythm games.
^ THEY LIED.Rewben2 wrote:
Just scrolling through the performance charts I can see plenty of people that are rank 13k~ with 5-6k playcount.takaharrue wrote:
I can guarantee you there is not a single person on Osu! with half my play count and half my rank that is better than me that isn't a 2nd account or someone who's had a lot of experience in other rhythm games.
Now that's pretentious.takaharrue wrote:
I can guarantee you there is not a single person on Osu! with half my play count and half my rank that is better than me that isn't a 2nd account or someone who's had a lot of experience in other rhythm games.
No it won't. It's like saying you'll run as fast as Usain Bolt if you try hard enough. You just won't, because he's got perfect genetics and you don't. Same goes for osu!, there are people who get insanely good at the game incredibly fast and others take up to 2 years to be able to even fc nomod insanes (me lol) playing for the same amount of time as said talented person. tl;dr Hard work beats talent but only if talent but only if talent doesn't work hard. You think Cookiezi really tried THIS hard to be good? He probably was at my current skill level in 5 or 6 months of playing. And I play since more than 3 years.
If you have the time to spend 6 hours a day playing nothing but maps with DT then sure. You may not be #1 quality, but certainly you could be someone well above average. I would say mostly anyone has the potential to be in the top 1000 if they had enough patience. Very few people have the time or the patience to avoid bad habits, and the road isn't exactly enjoyable, which makes it hardly worth the effort to try to become the next cookiezi. I mean Cookiezi played the game until he went blind and it probably wasn't fun.
Jordan wrote:
No it won't. It's like saying you'll run as fast as Usain Bolt if you try hard enough. You just won't, because he's got perfect genetics and you don't. Same goes for osu!, there are people who get insanely good at the game incredibly fast and others take up to 2 years to be able to even fc nomod insanes (me lol) playing for the same amount of time as said talented person. tl;dr Hard work beats talent but only if talent but only if talent doesn't work hard. You think Cookiezi really tried THIS hard to be good? He probably was at my current skill level in 5 or 6 months of playing. And I play since more than 3 years.
Aqo wrote:
natural talent is an excuse by people who refuse to hard work