Can hardwork overcome natural talent?

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10crystalmask01

XK2238 wrote:

"hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard".
Kevin Durant (A pretty famous Basketball player in team Oklahoma City Thunder if you watch the NBA) said that quote.

This quote makes more sense then the other one, since talent shouldn't be slacking off in the first place.
Reminds me of that story about the rabbit and turtle race. And we all know who won in the end, right?
[ Stellar ]
Maybe talent starts off better, but as time goes on, it quickly diminishes.
To get to the pinnacle of a goal, one needs to work hard in order to reach the end.
Yes, hard work in the long run pays off more, because talent will only get you so far.
Aqo
natural talent is an excuse by people who refuse to hard work
B1rd
Well I suppose I'll input my 2 cents~

Talents, genetics, mentality etc. are an important factor, there are plenty of top players who all try really hard at being good at Osu!, but obviously some are better than others.
Golfdinger
I'm sure talent exists, but it's not a tangible or measurable advantage such as height in sports. For all I know, I could be the most talented player there is and everyone else better than me have just been working harder/longer. If I'm not getting as good as fast as I'd want to, it'd probably be best to always assume I'm just not focusing hard enough. There's always a bit more room for that anyways.
chox_old
it's safe to assume that answer is no
and those saying otherwise are most of the time just deluding themselves just like those who say that they work harder than rest as there is always someone who'll work harder than you (and if this person is talented person then you're just no match to him, nor will be)
mashedpopoto
Of course it can. Just because someone has "natural talent", doesn't make them automatically better. It just means that they have more potential; in which hard work is also required to "tap into" this potential.

just less work tho
Xcrypt
People with good genes for some specific thing will always have an advantage over you. It's not just about past exp. But even those people won't get far without hard work. The difference is usually that they just need less time to reach the same level, but if we're talking about expert level (10000+ hours), nobody can get there without hard work.
Blueprint
I think tryharding is a talent in itself..

I tryhard but I don't try hard enough there for 0 talent is what I think anyways, its more of patience in my eyes.

I watched a friend sit on 1 song for 1 hour to correct 1x 100 he had for an SS, I would only ever find the patience to do this if the song was like 200 combo max
iderekmc
and savants? xD
kasdeya

Aqo wrote:

natural talent is an excuse by people who refuse to hard work
Husky
Talent helps you to improve faster. Some of people has better feeling of rhytm, some of them has it worse. If I'd play on a piano for my whole life, will I be better than Chopin or someone?
GoldenWolf

Husky wrote:

If I'd play on a piano for my whole life, will I be better than Chopin or someone?
You won't know until you try.
Foneza
To be a 'natural' at something, it's like a god's gift. But 'hardwork' is more satisfying in the end. You're able to win 'natural talented' people with 'hardwork'. I don't know. It's just you have to 'FEEL' it yourself.

AND YES, HARDWORK CAN OVERCOME NATURAL TALENT.
But time will tell.
takaharrue
I guess some people must have the guide to play osu! coded in their genes somewhere. Huh, that's really funny. I guess I should just kill myself over and over until' I get that gene.

-_-
Foneza

takaharrue wrote:

I guess some people must have the guide to play osu! coded in their genes somewhere. Huh, that's really funny. I guess I should just kill myself over and over until' I get that gene.

-_-
I Feel You Bro.
takaharrue


Oh no worries, guys. I found it, I guess there is a gene that codes for Osu! skill after all. Wow, that's funny. I should submit my findings to a scientific journal.
Karuta-

takaharrue wrote:



Oh no worries, guys. I found it, I guess there is a gene that codes for Osu! skill after all. Wow, that's funny. I should submit my findings to a scientific journal.
where did you get this?
Vuelo Eluko

[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:

takaharrue wrote:



Oh no worries, guys. I found it, I guess there is a gene that codes for Osu! skill after all. Wow, that's funny. I should submit my findings to a scientific journal.
where did you get this?
probably mad it himself

edit: im leaving that typo there
nrl
There's a pretty big misconception here that "talent" is some sort of baseline level of skill, and that's not really true. Rather, it represents your ability to learn that skill. It isn't a substitute for hard work, it's a supplement. Because of this, it's both totally possible and completely impossible to overcome natural talent with hard work; you don't need natural talent at all, but if you had more of it you would undoubtedly be a better player than you are currently.
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