P A N wrote:

master of ebb and flow

1. 00:03:493 (7) - The beat in the music actually lands on 00:03:532 as in 1/6 beat spacing. Maybe you can try this sequence of objects to better represent the rhythm in the music: http://puu.sh/8d705.jpg It also plays more intuitively, as the clicks land on 1/2 ticks. Same thing at 00:10:993 (5)
2. 00:25:876 (7,8) - Should be 1/6 rhythm according to the music.
3. 00:27:048 (4,5) - Personally, I think it would be better to shorten (5) by a 1/4 tick and add a circle where the slider originally ended. This would match better with the rhythm of the song since it's similar to the parts where two 1/4 sliders were used, like 03:06:423 (3,4) to cover the same ticks. http://puu.sh/8da6p.jpg (It's also like the inverse of 00:27:751 (7,8,1) circle-slider-circle opposed to slider-circle-slider... which makes it cool xD) Same thing at 04:55:178 (4,5)
4. 00:44:274 (3,4) - I think it would look much better for these to be aligned straight with (2). I presume that these were placed this way to stack with 00:42:399 (5) which doesn't really seem important to me, since that note is long gone, so the stack is kind of meaningless. I'd much rather see (3,4) straight with (2) as it is better aesthetically at this particular moment.
5. 00:44:860 (7,1) - Just my opinion.. It may be nice to use larger spacing for strong emphasis on (1). This could be achieved by reversing (5,6,7).
6. 00:58:454 (1) - x:488|y:52 looks and flow better imo.
7. 02:53:180 (6,7,8) - Spacing between (7,8) should be smaller because the beat spacing is smaller. You should probably overlap (7,8) like this to prevent confusion, because with the current spacing, (6,7) is almost the same distance as (7,8).
8. 03:44:977 (1) - I feel that the player may be tempted to hit this early because of its small spacing in comparison to 03:43:688 (4,5) and because the sliders are in the same direction, which is often used in jumpy 1/4 slider patterns, which is not the case here. Therefore, I suggest reversing (6) for a direction change to clearly show the time spacing between the sliders.
9. 05:01:271 (6,7,8,9,1) - This really confused me the first time I played it, since the drums in the music are very clearly playing 1/6 beats, but you've mapped 1/4s. Consider changing it to 1/6 beats (it matches much better with the song, and it's not hard to read, since the player will easily be able to see that the note density is higher)

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  Cant see names without widescreen TwT hater =3=

1. 00:12:985 (1) - personally I'd prefer not to have a major beat like this on the tail like this, how about switching the emphasize like this?
   with a pattern like this o3o;
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   Try it really plays better imo o3o
2. 00:24:235 (1) - Remove the NC here pls, by looking at your previous patterns it should be here o3o 00:24:470 (3) -
3. 01:00:798 (2) - Why you skip the nice piano beat TwT, maybe consider changing the rythm to this?:
   
   imo compliments the music better OAO
4. 01:15:329 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - How about this kind of symmetry:
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   imo it flows alot better than the current owo and it also flows nicely into the next one o3o, tho you have to move 01:13:220 (1) - around 59|214 so that this note 01:14:626 (4) - can be centered for a nice stack with the pattern I gave you above.
5. 02:53:825 (8) - Maybe move this a bit closer to the previous slider, It might be a bit suprising as this is a 1/8 note and it has visually the same spacing as the 1/4 just before this right here 02:53:180 (6,7) - so it might be better to move it a bit closer o3o
6. 03:07:126 (5) - How about ctrl+G o-o? fits more with the pattern and there is no worries with the spacing cuz of the leniency this practically is a circle.
7. 04:36:428 (2,3) - Ctrl+G flows a lot more naturally cuz of the curve of (1) afterwards 04:36:779 (4,5) - CTRL+G this or not both are fine imo
8. 05:30:803 (2) - a bit uncomfortable cuz of the countering curve how about this:
   
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9. 05:34:318 (3,4) - How about a blanket =w=? looks visually better imo o3o:
   
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   Well yeah short mod cuz map is very cool =w=b

1. Very Clean

1. 00:31:032 (6,2) - Nazi* Can you stack both better please? (Move this slider 00:31:970 (2) - to X:395 Y:192.
2. 00:31:970 (2,1) - same here.
3. 01:32:790 (6,7) - ^
4. 02:57:165 (2,1) - ^
5. 00:54:821 (2,3) - the first time I played it I caused a bit of confusión since didn't some similar pattern previously, imo is better if you move this circle 00:54:821 (2) - to X:288 Y:128 looks quite ideal.
6. 01:06:071 (2) - delete this circle is unnecesary since in this part doesn't sound something in the background.
7. 05:34:201 (2) - ^
8. 02:09:001 (7,1) - I think a triple here flows much better, maybe just me.
9. 03:14:391 - missing clap here, sounds nice if you add one.
10. 03:16:266 (5) - ^ is much better clap than whistle.
11. 03:19:548 (3) - ^ 03:21:891 - ^ 03:23:766 (4) - ^ 03:25:290 - ^ 03:25:641 - ^ 03:27:516 (7) - ^
12. 05:08:303 (4) - the rhythm of this slider is a bit strange to me, it doesn't follow the music, the best solution would be to shorten the same to the previous tick and so therefore add a note here 05:08:654 - and 05:08:771 -
13. 05:21:545 (3) - ^ same reason about the rhythm, try something like this:
    
    Example

    

Gero wrote:

Approve this now :<

1. 02:05:720 (Storyboard) I don't like this BG Pulse to be honest lol. Is it really needed? D: It's ugly :c

1. 00:00:095 (1,2,3,4) - (Andrea) I'm not convinced about this pattern. I mean, it's the first pattern of the map and it should open the map in the best way. I would set a simplier thing like this other one: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1558648 Maybe it's just me but I feel this opens the map better
2. 00:22:360 (8) - (Vicho) This circle should follow the same logic of the other circles placed after the other 1/4 repeating sliders. I mean, it should be placed in the same direction where the slider is directed. To be short place it some grid down: http://puu.sh/8suKI.jpg that makes it more natural and not ugly to see (because i think it actually is xD)
3. 00:27:048 (4,5) - (Vicho) I didn't get this rhythm honestly. There is a piano sound that should be filled on the white tick. It needs to be mapped like the previous and following parts as well. You could place elements in this way: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1558658
4. 00:43:220 (2) - (Gero) It may sound nazi but if you pay attention here: http://puu.sh/8sv3E.jpg this slider doesn't follow the same direction of the following 00:44:274 (3,4) circle and I think your intention was to make it straight and linear. To fix this you just need to move the second sliderpoint till x:300 y:-20. In this way the slider is linear with those circles and the 00:43:220 (2)'s head is prefectly centered with this slider's body (don't worry, it doesn't touch HP Bar) : https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1558665
5. 01:07:126 (5,6) - (Andrea) Why don't you make a triple here instead to avoid mapping the red tick of the timeline? You can hear a sound on that red tick and honestly, I'd map it if I was you in you. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1558674
6. 01:12:048 (3,4,5,6) - (Andrea) This slider flows bad after the 01:11:345 (1) one because they are curved in the same direction (and one is 1/2 and the other one 1/1 that makes it look bad). What about: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1558684 ? I think this is actually MUCH better. The 01:12:165 (4) is curved in the way that the 01:13:220 (1)'s tail ends in the middle of it: http://puu.sh/8svKq.jpg You can have the code so you can see how it looks like by yourself with AR 8 (even playing it):
   
   SPOILER

   268,192,72048,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   268,192,72165,2,0,P|208:204|148:156,1,135,0|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
   140,136,72634,1,0,0:0:0:0:
   128,108,72751,1,8,0:0:0:0:
   20,120,72985,1,0,0:0:0:0:

7. 01:32:790 (6,7) - (Vicho) DON'T stack these two sliders please. At first impact they are read as an 1/4 when it's an 1/2. I highly suggest you to change this, please.
8. 02:20:954 (2) - (Gero) What about to move this circle down following the same direction of the previous 02:20:485 (1)? I feel it flows much better and it looks more natural to play :3 I mean: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1558702 x: 256 y: 356
9. 02:22:126 (5) - (Gero) Is this circle placed there on purpose? I would place it at x:60 y:128 to follow the same direction of the previous 02:21:657 (4) : http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1558704
10. 02:38:180 (2) - (Vicho) There is a strong sound on the red tick that NEEDS to be mapped 02:38:298 with adding a clap hitsound too. You need to change rhythm here
11. 02:47:790 (3) - (Andrea) I think this slider should be placed a bit further from 02:47:438 (2)'s tail because the spacing between 02:47:204 (1,2) is big and the actual between 02:47:438 (2,3) is small and it could be confused like a 1/4. You could place the 02:47:790 (3,4) in this other way: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1558725
    
    
    SPOILER

    44,68,167790,2,0,P|96:52|152:88,1,90
    160,84,168141,1,8,0:0:0:0:

12. 03:07:477 (6,7) - (Gero) I'm still suggesting you here to place circles following the same direction of the previous slider where you started the pattern: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1558737
13. 04:49:782 (8) - (Vicho) Copy-Paste lol. You know, same of 00:22:360 (8) then, same for 04:55:173 (4,5) and so on.
14. 05:57:985 (7) - (Gero) CTRL + G this slider. The spacing between 05:57:751 (6,7) is too huge and between 05:57:985 (7,1) is too small considering the 6-7 one
15. 06:18:391 (3) - (Andrea) I would remove whistle from head adding it on the tail, it sounds much better IMO since you didn't use any whistle on white ticks from 06:16:516 till 06:18:391 (3) and that sudden one sounds too loud and bad. If you added it on the tail it would be different because it makes sound the last note of the map stronger

Chewin wrote:

1. 02:05:720 (Storyboard) I don't like this BG Pulse to be honest lol. Is it really needed? D: It's ugly :c

15:47 Andrea: hey man, may I ask you which points you wanted to discuss with me about the SB? since Gero seems busy, I'll tell him later about these in case (btw thanks for the check, I appreciated it)
15:48 dkun: ooo
15:48 dkun: sec, let me pull up the map
15:49 Andrea: sure, take your time ><
15:49 dkun: don't tell me that, i'll go right back to ffxiv
15:49 *dkun runs
15:49 dkun: hahahah
15:49 Andrea: xDDD
15:49 Andrea: I was playing tera instead
15:49 Andrea: around 2 hours and half lol
15:49 dkun: ugh goddddd TERA
15:49 dkun: I can't wait for the new class
15:49 Andrea: yeah I play it with Umi xD
15:49 dkun: but I bought FFXIV
15:50 dkun: and I haven't looked back
15:50 dkun: it's sooooooo good
15:50 Andrea: haha I see :D
15:50 Andrea: is it even better can imagine
15:50 dkun: you never need to make more than one character
15:50 dkun: you can interswitch classes with one click
15:50 Andrea: omg
15:50 Andrea: that's supreme
15:50 dkun: I started healer, and it's still my main class for dungeons
15:50 Andrea: you can be which class you want whenever you want then? xD
15:50 dkun: but it's just "omg I want to play tank today"
15:50 Andrea: yeah healer is awesome
15:51 dkun: so you pick tank and go
15:51 Andrea: haha
15:51 Andrea: wow that's nice
15:51 dkun: and there's an ffxiv equliv to elins
15:51 Andrea: even better xD
15:52 dkun: wb
15:52 Andrea: my osu! crashed lol
15:52 Andrea: sometimes it happens randomly when I open the editor
15:52 Andrea: thanks btw xD
15:53 dkun: 00:15:095 (1) - this flash imo just doesn't fit well with the tempo of the song
15:53 dkun: that goes the same for most of the song
15:53 dkun: maybe if it was less intense
15:53 dkun: more like a white overlay instead of a full on flash
15:53 Andrea: ohhh, you mean reducing the intensity of the flash?
15:53 dkun: yeah
15:53 dkun: I like the idea
15:53 dkun: but it's a bit much on the eyes for such a calming song, don't you think?
15:54 Andrea: for that part to be honest yeah, I have to agree
15:54 dkun: also is this anime any good? i've been meaning to watch it
15:54 Andrea: oh yeah you should
15:54 Andrea: it's pretty good
15:54 Andrea: jonathanlfj could approve with me haha
15:54 dkun: hahah, rose approves as well
15:54 dkun: guess i'll watch it
15:54 Andrea: do iiiiit \:D/
15:55 Andrea: it's a mix of slice of life, sentimental, scholastic
15:55 Andrea: and stuff like that
15:55 Andrea: also fantasy
15:55 dkun: sounds like my slice of anime
15:55 Andrea: I'll try to see if I can do something for that flash
15:55 dkun: oh and one more thing
15:55 dkun: it's a bit simple as well
15:55 Andrea: yeah, kinda clannad style
15:56 dkun: 02:59:391 (6) - the effect here is good
15:56 dkun: couldn't it be just pasted here? 01:51:657 (6) - 
15:56 dkun: the flash in the background just doesn't look well imo, and the first point I linked is about the same in terms of music
15:56 dkun: better presentation and easier on the eyes
15:56 dkun: my goal is that people aren't tempted to disable the storyboard
15:57 dkun: it's a very nice sb, at that
15:57 Andrea: to be honest I like that effect here, even though I understand your point
15:58 dkun: take what I say as a suggestion
15:58 dkun: you don't need to take it, just as a friendly point of view :p
15:58 Andrea: yeah got it \:D/
15:58 dkun: but the first one i'm a bit more perplexed on, i'd like the flash to be less intense if anything
15:58 dkun: even if you don't take the second part
15:58 Andrea: yeah I agree with you for that flash
15:58 dkun: can call it fair with that :p
15:59 Andrea: about the second one I'd like to keep it, because I really like how it goes with the beats xD
15:59 Andrea: it's one of my favourite effects on the SB
15:59 dkun: that's totally fine with me
15:59 Andrea: and I think it's not too intense like that flash for sure :D
15:59 dkun: yeah, totally
15:59 Andrea: but yeah your point was also valid
16:00 dkun: but that's pretty much it with this map
16:00 dkun: i'd like to flame it whenever the flash changes, then :p
16:00 Andrea: okay then! thanks so much <3
16:00 Andrea: let me see if I can fix it myself
16:00 Andrea: anyways about the other part Chewin mentioned
16:00 Andrea: Gero already rejected it, forgot to write that xD
16:00 dkun: it's literally the same problem with the same element
16:00 dkun: it's the same flash, isn't it
16:01 dkun: except i'm suggesting to lower the intensity instead of removing the flash
16:01 Andrea: yeah
16:01 Andrea: that will be much better
16:01 dkun: man, i'll never get tired of symmiflow
16:02 dkun: i'm glad someone out there still maps like this
16:02 Andrea: I love this kind of mapping and I'll never change it, no matter how mapping changes xD
16:04 Andrea: okay, I could fix that flash :D
16:04 Andrea: I made it 0.50 instead of 1
16:04 dkun: sounds good
16:04 dkun: let's see it
16:04 Andrea: reduced by half, I guess it's way better
16:04 dkun: the actual image, or through sb code?
16:04 Andrea: through SB code
16:05 Andrea:  F,0,15095,15563,0.50,0
16:05 Andrea: now 0,50,0
16:05 Andrea: before it was 1,0
16:05 Andrea: 0.50*
16:05 dkun: hmm, sec
16:05 dkun: let me run through the rest of the map again
16:05 Andrea: Sprite,Foreground,Centre,"SB\Layer.jpg",320,240
16:05 dkun: to see if there's any of the same flash that have a lingering effect
16:05 Andrea: this one is the flash code
16:05 Andrea: yeah sure :D
16:05 Andrea: I'll reduce them too in case
16:06 dkun: 01:50:720 (1) - same thing here, maybe?
16:06 Andrea: okay let me fix
16:06 dkun: 02:28:220 (1) - same thing, it's just a repat in the music
16:06 dkun: there's a few of these, shouldn't be too bad though
16:07 Andrea: okay fixed them both~
16:07 dkun: 03:13:220 (1) - should be the last one
16:07 dkun: the one in last kiai makes sense since it flashes on the spinner imo
16:07 dkun: yeah, that's all
16:08 Andrea: http://puu.sh/8u4yl/dc6a27e7ac.png
16:08 Andrea: so yeah, we changed 4 flashes
16:08 dkun: sounds good
16:08 dkun: push and let me update

17:13 *Andrea tries to summon dkun back xD
17:24 dkun: wha
17:24 dkun: I was in a dungeon sorry loool
17:24 Andrea: lol no problem
17:24 Andrea: anyways I fixed it now :D
17:24 dkun: okay sec
17:24 dkun: re-dling
17:24 Andrea: let me upload
17:24 Andrea: sorry haha
17:24 dkun: oh
17:24 dkun: okay
17:27 Andrea: ok it's ready!
17:27 *Andrea is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/398882 Ray - ebb and flow (tamame's 5 years after remix) [Timeless]]
17:28 Andrea: hope the flashes are alright now
17:28 dkun: direct pls work
17:28 dkun: I just want to download a map
17:28 Andrea: haha
17:28 Andrea: it goes slow to me too often lately
17:31 Andrea: 00:15:095 (1) - 01:50:720 (1) - 02:28:220 (1) - 03:13:220 (1) - so in short we changed these flashes
17:31 Andrea: and I fixed 06:03:860 (1) - timing and light rotation like Lanturn suggested
17:32 dkun: i'm content with this, yeah
17:33 Andrea: if you provide the log I'll also shoot you a kd since it was helpful after all
17:33 Andrea: shot*
17:36 Andrea: btw if you want to know for future reference
17:36 Andrea:  M,0,363860,364328,314,333,154,291 <- M,0,timingstart,timingend,coordinatexstart,coordinateystart,coordinatexend,coordinateyend
17:36 Andrea: that's the meaning, it was like I thought at first
17:37 dkun: k let's see....
17:38 dkun: there you go
17:39 Andrea: thanks so much bro <3
17:39 dkun: anytime meng, sorry for the wait (yet again)