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cry about it on twitter because i want my attention
I wouldn't give a shit unless I'm explicitly trying to get something ranked and in that case I would make changes until it does
accept it, make changes
or just don't give a fuck
or just don't give a fuck
improve my map and/or reach out to other bns. it's not always your map, sometimes that person just isnt interested enough to put their name behind it I feel
probably just make another map
Do a toxic talk on twitter and reddit and calling the BNs and NATs that have selected the BNs a * * * * *
i don't know i never tried to rank a map but that's i see when i see mapping stuff on twitter and reddit so... that's what you have to do i guess lol
BEFORE A NAT TAKES THEIR MUTUAL WITH ME KORE WA JOKE DESU!
i don't know i never tried to rank a map but that's i see when i see mapping stuff on twitter and reddit so... that's what you have to do i guess lol
BEFORE A NAT TAKES THEIR MUTUAL WITH ME KORE WA JOKE DESU!
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I don't know if i regret posting this. Imma just go back to RTC side, this is fuckin toxic
Probably be completely unsurprised since I'm not in with the cool kids mapping wise and also fit in with none of the... interesting stereotypes that surround bns.
idk, mapping is just really fucking difficult, just keep pushing I guessreal_BCMC wrote:
I don't know if i regret posting this. Imma just go back to RTC side, this is fuckin toxic
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yeaPatatitta wrote:
idk, mapping is just really fucking difficult, just keep pushing I guessreal_BCMC wrote:
I don't know if i regret posting this. Imma just go back to RTC side, this is fuckin toxic
honestly, looking at the maps you've made, a lot of these stuff aren't rankable, at least not for a new mapper.real_BCMC wrote:
yeaPatatitta wrote:
idk, mapping is just really fucking difficult, just keep pushing I guessreal_BCMC wrote:
I don't know if i regret posting this. Imma just go back to RTC side, this is fuckin toxic
First of all, either you're making no difficulty spread, which is straight up unrankable, or adding WAAYYYYYYY too many difficulties, the more diffs you map has, the most likely it is one of those diffs will be unrankable, + you've have a map with a taiko diff, ranking mapsets with multiple gamemodes is a lot harder, since you also need BNs for that gamemode
your goal should be to make a valid difficulty spread, that is maybe 4 diffs or so, with a song that isn't the hardest to map, just try to do the best you can, ask for mods as much as you can, and whenever the map feels ready, which may be in like a couple months of working, you can start considering sending it to BNs.
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alr alr you don't have to write the whole gyatt ass essay on me, i was in good moodPatatitta wrote:
honestly, looking at the maps you've made, a lot of these stuff aren't rankable, at least not for a new mapper.real_BCMC wrote:
yeaPatatitta wrote:
idk, mapping is just really fucking difficult, just keep pushing I guessreal_BCMC wrote:
I don't know if i regret posting this. Imma just go back to RTC side, this is fuckin toxic
First of all, either you're making no difficulty spread, which is straight up unrankable, or adding WAAYYYYYYY too many difficulties, the more diffs you map has, the most likely it is one of those diffs will be unrankable, + you've have a map with a taiko diff, ranking mapsets with multiple gamemodes is a lot harder, since you also need BNs for that gamemode
your goal should be to make a valid difficulty spread, that is maybe 4 diffs or so, with a song that isn't the hardest to map, just try to do the best you can, ask for mods as much as you can, and whenever the map feels ready, which may be in like a couple months of working, you can start considering sending it to BNs.
Never liked my maps enough to try
I mean, I was trying to help, why the fuck would recieving advice turn you in a bad mood?real_BCMC wrote:
alr alr you don't have to write the whole gyatt ass essay on me, i was in good moodPatatitta wrote:
honestly, looking at the maps you've made, a lot of these stuff aren't rankable, at least not for a new mapper.real_BCMC wrote:
yeaPatatitta wrote:
idk, mapping is just really fucking difficult, just keep pushing I guessreal_BCMC wrote:
I don't know if i regret posting this. Imma just go back to RTC side, this is fuckin toxic
First of all, either you're making no difficulty spread, which is straight up unrankable, or adding WAAYYYYYYY too many difficulties, the more diffs you map has, the most likely it is one of those diffs will be unrankable, + you've have a map with a taiko diff, ranking mapsets with multiple gamemodes is a lot harder, since you also need BNs for that gamemode
your goal should be to make a valid difficulty spread, that is maybe 4 diffs or so, with a song that isn't the hardest to map, just try to do the best you can, ask for mods as much as you can, and whenever the map feels ready, which may be in like a couple months of working, you can start considering sending it to BNs.
also, it's like 2 paragraphs, it's not very long at all
average attention span of osu playersPatatitta wrote:
I mean, I was trying to help, why the fuck would recieving advice turn you in a bad mood?real_BCMC wrote:
alr alr you don't have to write the whole gyatt ass essay on me, i was in good moodPatatitta wrote:
honestly, looking at the maps you've made, a lot of these stuff aren't rankable, at least not for a new mapper.real_BCMC wrote:
yeaPatatitta wrote:
idk, mapping is just really fucking difficult, just keep pushing I guessreal_BCMC wrote:
I don't know if i regret posting this. Imma just go back to RTC side, this is fuckin toxic
First of all, either you're making no difficulty spread, which is straight up unrankable, or adding WAAYYYYYYY too many difficulties, the more diffs you map has, the most likely it is one of those diffs will be unrankable, + you've have a map with a taiko diff, ranking mapsets with multiple gamemodes is a lot harder, since you also need BNs for that gamemode
your goal should be to make a valid difficulty spread, that is maybe 4 diffs or so, with a song that isn't the hardest to map, just try to do the best you can, ask for mods as much as you can, and whenever the map feels ready, which may be in like a couple months of working, you can start considering sending it to BNs.
also, it's like 2 paragraphs, it's not very long at all
more than 10 words, aint readin allat
yeah, they also used the word gyatt so they cant have much attention spanCerno wrote:
average attention span of osu playersPatatitta wrote:
I mean, I was trying to help, why the fuck would recieving advice turn you in a bad mood?real_BCMC wrote:
alr alr you don't have to write the whole gyatt ass essay on me, i was in good moodPatatitta wrote:
honestly, looking at the maps you've made, a lot of these stuff aren't rankable, at least not for a new mapper.real_BCMC wrote:
yeaPatatitta wrote:
idk, mapping is just really fucking difficult, just keep pushing I guessreal_BCMC wrote:
I don't know if i regret posting this. Imma just go back to RTC side, this is fuckin toxic
First of all, either you're making no difficulty spread, which is straight up unrankable, or adding WAAYYYYYYY too many difficulties, the more diffs you map has, the most likely it is one of those diffs will be unrankable, + you've have a map with a taiko diff, ranking mapsets with multiple gamemodes is a lot harder, since you also need BNs for that gamemode
your goal should be to make a valid difficulty spread, that is maybe 4 diffs or so, with a song that isn't the hardest to map, just try to do the best you can, ask for mods as much as you can, and whenever the map feels ready, which may be in like a couple months of working, you can start considering sending it to BNs.
also, it's like 2 paragraphs, it's not very long at all
more than 10 words, aint readin allat
find another bn
if all bns rejected my map illforce the people in my basement to become a bn and rank it make it grave
if all bns rejected my map ill
mmn, it could possibly be a matter of subjective perception of tone? things that are legitimately informative can very easily be read as literally anything else and a lot of that can come down to arbitrary (but generally faultless imo) thresholds of what constitutes the kind of tone or approach or response someone is looking forPatatitta wrote:
I mean, I was trying to help, why the fuck would recieving advice turn you in a bad mood?real_BCMC wrote:
alr alr you don't have to write the whole gyatt ass essay on me, i was in good moodPatatitta wrote:
real_BCMC wrote:
I don't know if i regret posting this. Imma just go back to RTC side, this is fuckin toxicPatatitta wrote:
idk, mapping is just really fucking difficult, just keep pushing I guesshonestly, looking at the maps you've made, a lot of these stuff aren't rankable, at least not for a new mapper.real_BCMC wrote:
yea
First of all, either you're making no difficulty spread, which is straight up unrankable, or adding WAAYYYYYYY too many difficulties, the more diffs you map has, the most likely it is one of those diffs will be unrankable, + you've have a map with a taiko diff, ranking mapsets with multiple gamemodes is a lot harder, since you also need BNs for that gamemode
your goal should be to make a valid difficulty spread, that is maybe 4 diffs or so, with a song that isn't the hardest to map, just try to do the best you can, ask for mods as much as you can, and whenever the map feels ready, which may be in like a couple months of working, you can start considering sending it to BNs.
also, it's like 2 paragraphs, it's not very long at all
not that i wasn't also confused;; i actually was wondering why the responses in this thread were considered "toxic" at-large. i do think two or three posts here seemed plausibly sarcastic/satirical with "post about it somewhere for attention" and so on, which doesn't mean disingenuous/disproportionate complaints don't happen or aren't valid examples to critique, but the sarcasm/satire seems ultimately unhelpful if someone is looking for genuine direct advice, and that's what i think could be read as needlessly(?) toxic since it's introducing mildly-scathing off-handed tangential critique into something that never merited it
alternatively, it could also be something else... like a sense of discomfort, where having someone review your maps unprompted can feel like a bit like personal scrutiny? and in that sense, it can feel heavy or sour
idk or bcmc really has a hard time reading a lot of text, or... idk, i hesitate to make an insincere joke about attention span when it could be waving off something genuine and personal, so i'm kind of just reaching for any explanation that seems plausible to me
and then it could also be said that this is off-topic, therefore it should be expected to be toxic/lazy/terrible or whatever other old reputation the subforum has carried with it for the past decade or so
look at whatever note I've got, then do my own business (including finding another bn if I think it is rank viable)
sometimes it can have useful stuff:
other times not:
sometimes it can have useful stuff:
(Another BN took the map afterwards.)Rivals_7 wrote:
gap between NM and HD is quite worrying. if you're looking at HD and IN comparison in kiai drops - 01:31:375 - they somehow have very similar density
https://puu.sh/K835W/4dd4055807.jpg
see how green (IN) and orange (HD) have similar NPS (note per second) during 90 seconds mark and then look at the distance between them to red (NM)
i feel like this is hard to fix if you insist on having 4 diff and to keep NM true to its name. i think i rather hold this after until 1st BN come, or i'd rather drop if you got another 2nd
if you end up adding another diff to fill in, i’ll most likely drop because you’d need additional feedback anyways
other times not:
BNs have tastes and can be different from yours, sometimes so much that your map will never get nominated by a specific BNRiP46 wrote:
bms style is wasting the song potential tbh
Realizes that i was a shitmapper
Mapping drama in off topic please don't let the world's collide
charting is easier than playing the game by far, what do ppl think is so hard about charting
gotta make something good and also a lot of time investmentxch00F wrote:
charting is easier than playing the game by far, what do ppl think is so hard about charting
Charting in mania isn't the same than mapping standardxch00F wrote:
charting is easier than playing the game by far, what do ppl think is so hard about charting
not really, regular gameplay you can just keep pushing and retrying until you get good, mapping requires a lot more of brainpower and also it's way more social, improvement is also not as clear as with regular gameplayxch00F wrote:
charting is easier than playing the game by far, what do ppl think is so hard about charting
yeah but the reasons of why it's difficult are basically the smeCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Charting in mania isn't the same than mapping standardxch00F wrote:
charting is easier than playing the game by far, what do ppl think is so hard about charting
make a ranking criteria proposal that would allow my map get ranked
if that fails, rally mappers against big bn and finally topple the oppressive cult gate keeping mapping freedom
if that fails, rally mappers against big bn and finally topple the oppressive cult gate keeping mapping freedom
only to see no one replying to my comment lol, maybe cuz this is ot not mapping discussion
we call that politics, rally people for the kind of stuff you want*abraker wrote:
make a ranking criteria proposal that would allow my map get ranked
if that fails, rally mappers against big bn and finally topple the oppressive cult gate keeping mapping freedom
*yes irl politics got loads of caveats and shit
1k mania is very easy to chartPatatitta wrote:
yeah but the reasons of why it's difficult are basically the smeCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Charting in mania isn't the same than mapping standardxch00F wrote:
charting is easier than playing the game by far, what do ppl think is so hard about charting
more complexity in the gameplay increases difficulty to chart
for example, i can chart osu easier than 10k mania though it might be that i charted osu a lot more than 10k mania
you do this with charting as wellPatatitta wrote:
not really, regular gameplay you can just keep pushing and retrying until you get goodxch00F wrote:
charting is easier than playing the game by far, what do ppl think is so hard about charting
mapping requires a lot more of brainpowerthis can vary quite a lot depending on the music you're charting, in the same way that required physical skill varies depending on the chart. imo the physical skill ceiling of gameplay is harder to push than the mental skill ceiling of charting. could be different depending on how creative you are
and also it's way more social, improvement is also not as clear as with regular gameplayI suppose this is true, tho it becomes less of an issue the less you care about getting charts ranked
there are very few things in charting that are a hard rule like offset, tempo, and sync, as those need to be objectively correct before you can even begin to place notes
if I were to try charting something for standard I'm sure some concepts translate from mania to standard and vice versa, but I would have a pretty tough time coming up with anything but a basic chart since I don't play standardCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Charting in mania isn't the same than mapping standardxch00F wrote:
charting is easier than playing the game by far, what do ppl think is so hard about charting
depends entirely what or who you're charting forz0z wrote:
gotta make something good
if you're charting to get stuff ranked then sure
if you're charting for you, then "good" is entirely defined by you
and also a lot of time investmentyou have to put in a lot of time investment to get good at playing the game as well
oh no, the mapping drama comes in
what do you think is dramatic about that postreffty_gag wrote:
oh no, the mapping drama comes in
if it's about the posts directly above, i think reffty has a habit of looking at lots of text and interpreting that length of direct quote-and-response as like an argument or something... the same thing happens when i make my own essay-length posts so that's sorta what i imagine happened therexch00F wrote:
what do you think is dramatic about that postreffty_gag wrote:
oh no, the mapping drama comes in
i thought your posts were reasonable tbh ;0;
otherwise, maybe it could've been an entirely unrelated comment? it could be related to any number of other posts or to the general premise of the thread title where presumably that event would Cause Drama in the mapping scene... but your post is a more immediate thing so it seems more likely
I just rly like talking about charting rofl
used to be pretty hard headed when it comes to charting but over the years I've realized that it's a form of artistic expression and being a shithead to people about it is objectively the worst thing you can do, these games depend entirely on community content and dissuading people from creating is a disservice to everyone, regardless of whether you exclusively chart, exclusively play, or a mixture of the two
if you've never made a chart tho I would highly recommend doing it at least once. doesn't matter if what you make is "bad" or whatever
used to be pretty hard headed when it comes to charting but over the years I've realized that it's a form of artistic expression and being a shithead to people about it is objectively the worst thing you can do, these games depend entirely on community content and dissuading people from creating is a disservice to everyone, regardless of whether you exclusively chart, exclusively play, or a mixture of the two
if you've never made a chart tho I would highly recommend doing it at least once. doesn't matter if what you make is "bad" or whatever
hell yes, we are in agreement <3xch00F wrote:
I just rly like talking about charting rofl
used to be pretty hard headed when it comes to charting but over the years I've realized that it's a form of artistic expression and being a shithead to people about it is objectively the worst thing you can do, these games depend entirely on community content and dissuading people from creating is a disservice to everyone, regardless of whether you exclusively chart, exclusively play, or a mixture of the two
if you've never made a chart tho I would highly recommend doing it at least once. doesn't matter if what you make is "bad" or whatever
i remember making a small chart for undertale's "here we are", and a couple times for other songs... i don't know what happened to them, and they could've been bad but i had fun making them so ^^
video game music is probably one of the best kinds of music you could pick when you're just starting to chart, undertale's a good pick particularly because so much of the soundtrack is short and uses motifs so heavily. no need to worry too much about time investment when the song is a static tempo and 30 seconds longAchromalia wrote:
hell yes, we are in agreement <3xch00F wrote:
I just rly like talking about charting rofl
used to be pretty hard headed when it comes to charting but over the years I've realized that it's a form of artistic expression and being a shithead to people about it is objectively the worst thing you can do, these games depend entirely on community content and dissuading people from creating is a disservice to everyone, regardless of whether you exclusively chart, exclusively play, or a mixture of the two
if you've never made a chart tho I would highly recommend doing it at least once. doesn't matter if what you make is "bad" or whatever
i remember making a small chart for undertale's "here we are", and a couple times for other songs... i don't know what happened to them, and they could've been bad but i had fun making them so ^^
1-5+ minutes per play in osu and other community rhythm gamesxch00F wrote:
depends entirely what or who you're charting forz0z wrote:
gotta make something good
if you're charting to get stuff ranked then sure
if you're charting for you, then "good" is entirely defined by youand also a lot of time investmentyou have to put in a lot of time investment to get good at playing the game as well
1-3+ minutes in a commercial rhythm game
a ton of minutes just to finish one chart, and if you want more diffs, more
good as in plays well and is fitting to the music
The advice I've got is to start with animexch00F wrote:
video game music is probably one of the best kinds of music you could pick when you're just starting to chart, undertale's a good pick particularly because so much of the soundtrack is short and uses motifs so heavily. no need to worry too much about time investment when the song is a static tempo and 30 seconds longAchromalia wrote:
hell yes, we are in agreement <3xch00F wrote:
I just rly like talking about charting rofl
used to be pretty hard headed when it comes to charting but over the years I've realized that it's a form of artistic expression and being a shithead to people about it is objectively the worst thing you can do, these games depend entirely on community content and dissuading people from creating is a disservice to everyone, regardless of whether you exclusively chart, exclusively play, or a mixture of the two
if you've never made a chart tho I would highly recommend doing it at least once. doesn't matter if what you make is "bad" or whatever
i remember making a small chart for undertale's "here we are", and a couple times for other songs... i don't know what happened to them, and they could've been bad but i had fun making them so ^^
I don't like anime songs much tho, I've only mapped and ranked (as guest) such a song once and it's the deer one
yeah i try to understand what happened here, from the "mania charting is ez" to... yes, i said that cuz ik this thread or the post have a root to causing drama and triggers other ppl, I'm just aware since the toxicity of this community (yeh ik there are ppl that still has a brain) but since this is mapping, it's ez to causing dramaAchromalia wrote:
if it's about the posts directly above, i think reffty has a habit of looking at lots of text and interpreting that length of direct quote-and-response as like an argument or something... the same thing happens when i make my own essay-length posts so that's sorta what i imagine happened therexch00F wrote:
what do you think is dramatic about that postreffty_gag wrote:
oh no, the mapping drama comes in
i thought your posts were reasonable tbh ;0;
otherwise, maybe it could've been an entirely unrelated comment? it could be related to any number of other posts or to the general premise of the thread title where presumably that event would Cause Drama in the mapping scene... but your post is a more immediate thing so it seems more likely
that makes sense!! yeah no i sympathize i can kinda feel the same way, but it takes a while to listen and genuinely understand what people mean when they're saying something... so sometimes it turns out we just miss what that message isreffty_gag wrote:
yeah i try to understand what happened here, from the "mania charting is ez" to... yes, i said that cuz ik this thread or the post have a root to causing drama and triggers other ppl, I'm just aware since the toxicity of this community (yeh ik there are ppl that still has a brain) but since this is mapping, it's ez to causing dramaAchromalia wrote:
if it's about the posts directly above, i think reffty has a habit of looking at lots of text and interpreting that length of direct quote-and-response as like an argument or something... the same thing happens when i make my own essay-length posts so that's sorta what i imagine happened therexch00F wrote:
what do you think is dramatic about that postreffty_gag wrote:
oh no, the mapping drama comes in
i thought your posts were reasonable tbh ;0;
otherwise, maybe it could've been an entirely unrelated comment? it could be related to any number of other posts or to the general premise of the thread title where presumably that event would Cause Drama in the mapping scene... but your post is a more immediate thing so it seems more likely
I'm agreeAchromalia wrote:
that makes sense!! yeah no i sympathize i can kinda feel the same way, but it takes a while to listen and genuinely understand what people mean when they're saying something... so sometimes it turns out we just miss what that message isreffty_gag wrote:
yeah i try to understand what happened here, from the "mania charting is ez" to... yes, i said that cuz ik this thread or the post have a root to causing drama and triggers other ppl, I'm just aware since the toxicity of this community (yeh ik there are ppl that still has a brain) but since this is mapping, it's ez to causing dramaAchromalia wrote:
if it's about the posts directly above, i think reffty has a habit of looking at lots of text and interpreting that length of direct quote-and-response as like an argument or something... the same thing happens when i make my own essay-length posts so that's sorta what i imagine happened therexch00F wrote:
what do you think is dramatic about that postreffty_gag wrote:
oh no, the mapping drama comes in
i thought your posts were reasonable tbh ;0;
otherwise, maybe it could've been an entirely unrelated comment? it could be related to any number of other posts or to the general premise of the thread title where presumably that event would Cause Drama in the mapping scene... but your post is a more immediate thing so it seems more likely
unless you don't sightread a song and try to grind out a good score on it and start giving yourself mindblocksz0z wrote:
1-5+ minutes per play in osu and other community rhythm games
1-3+ minutes in a commercial rhythm game
correct me if I'm wrong but osumania scoring isn't timing based, so at the very least with this game if you hit every note with max accuracy that chart can be considered "completed" and you don't have to play it again for scoring purposes
for other games such as etterna you effectively have an infinite score ceiling due to ms scoring and different judges (tighter timing windows), ie there is always room for improvement
a ton of minutes just to finish one chart and if you want more diffs, morecertain styles of music can be charted pretty efficiently, if you use undertale's soundtrack as an example it's definitely possible to chart more than a handful of its songs in less than like 30 minutes
multiple diffs does make the charting process longer but this can be streamlined during the initial charting process if you chart with delayering/buffing patterns in mind
good as in plays wellkinda subjective but sometimes you make patterns that are aesthetically pleasing and if you're not trying to get the chart ranked you don't need to make nearly as many concessions towards playability
"hey these jacks feel like shit"
"yeah but they look cool so deal with it"
and is fitting to the musicdumpz
but yeah at this point I don't think it's rly fair to compare the difficulties of playing at a high level and charting at a high level since they require two vastly different skill sets
more ppl should make charts anyway
yeah, honestly this is something that (no offense but like a little bit of offense also) I find really annoying, I hate seeing someone being pasionate about something and having a lot to say about it, or just liking the act of talking, and someone only seeing how long the text is, and without actually reading the contents, assuming it's drama or arguin or whateverAchromalia wrote:
if it's about the posts directly above, i think reffty has a habit of looking at lots of text and interpreting that length of direct quote-and-response as like an argument or something... the same thing happens when i make my own essay-length posts so that's sorta what i imagine happened therexch00F wrote:
what do you think is dramatic about that postreffty_gag wrote:
oh no, the mapping drama comes in
i thought your posts were reasonable tbh ;0;
otherwise, maybe it could've been an entirely unrelated comment? it could be related to any number of other posts or to the general premise of the thread title where presumably that event would Cause Drama in the mapping scene... but your post is a more immediate thing so it seems more likely
I think short comments are so normalized that just everything above that seems like an annomaly, like, let me text dump god damn it