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[ Mephisto ]
Re-Congrats >_>
Neil Watts
aaaand he strikes again <3
grats m8 8-)
Vuelo Eluko
wow it actually happened gratz

pessimism
and now we wait for the next problem that could have been brought up earlier but is being saved as ammunition just in case it got re-qualified
Kyubey

Riince wrote:

and now we wait for the next problem that could have been brought up earlier but is being saved as ammunition just in case it got re-qualified

TicClick wrote:

%1/3 stuff% Should be the only thing that has to be changed.
I think map is perfect now.
Vuelo Eluko
maybe, i guess im just overestimating how bitter some people can be, i sure hope so.
Ntasuto
Hi .. again ..

I am back coz i strongly believe that the change from 1/3 to 1/4 @ 02:19:943 - 02:22:100 is still wrong.
There are 1/8 beats there which are skipped by using 1/4, why ?
Yes the map is easier now coz most players are used to stream 1/4 notes and its less complicated than 1/3 but it doesn't make any sense to me . If the song has 1/8 why make it easier for the played by using 1/4 beats, why not use 1/2 then and make it even easier . The map itself is 7.65 stars and that says it all. There are so many maps that have 1/8 notes ( and i am not talking about just 10x 1/8 reverse slider )

There are are indeed 1/4 beats there but you can clearly that part consists of 1/8 notes also.

Here is a template( all note/sliders are placed in the center) of how i believe that part should be timed : http://puu.sh/gEK92/e00be3c748.rar
Not so sure about this though : 02:20:818 (8,9) - there is a strong beat @ 02:20:850

Also in case of a miraculous unrank i suggest you change these also : 02:36:475 (1,2,1,2) - into 1/4 reverse slider + note + 1/4 reverse slider + note . like this : http://puu.sh/gEKSK/801ad7433a.jpg Fits the rhythm much better.


Well that's from me. I hope Ekoro or a QAT will take a look at this and not just ignore it .

thanks~
Kyubey
Lol, don't even try, replacing 1/8 things (if they even exist, because I don't think human can play with that speed) with 1/4 ones is totally legit.
7ambda
I didn't expect a rerank so soon; congrats.
Yuudachi-kun

F1r3tar wrote:

I didn't expect a rerank so soon; congrats.
Just give it a day or two.
Ntasuto

Kyubey wrote:

Lol, don't even try, replacing 1/8 things (if they even exist, because I don't think human can play with that speed) with 1/4 ones is totally legit.
Human ? being able to play at that speed? ah. ah . aaahaha. come on get real. You know what each person is capable of ? I doubt that.
The beats are clearly 1/8 whether the player can do it or not. Use sliders then if you believe that noone can play do 1/8.
And i bet you started spouting nonsense without even checking my push. Will wait for a QAT.
Vuelo Eluko

Ntasuto wrote:

Kyubey wrote:

Lol, don't even try, replacing 1/8 things (if they even exist, because I don't think human can play with that speed) with 1/4 ones is totally legit.
Human ? being able to play at that speed? ah. ah . aaahaha. come on get real. You know what each person is capable of ? I doubt that.
The beats are clearly 1/8 whether the player can do it or not. Use sliders then if you believe that noone can play do 1/8.
And i bet you started spouting nonsense without even checking my push. Will wait for a QAT.
noone can play 1/8 240 bpm im sorry to inform you

Riince wrote:

maybe, i guess im just overestimating how bitter some people can be, i sure hope so.
looks like i wasn't overestimating
Kyubey

Ntasuto wrote:

player
I was talking about drummer/guitarist.

Ntasuto wrote:

nonsense
Show it to me.

Ntasuto wrote:

Will wait for a QAT
You can wait as long as you want, using 1/4 instead of 1/8 is totally legit.
Ntasuto
I was talking about drummer/guitarist.
Still. there are drummers/guitarists that can play even faster than this and don't forget , we live in 2015, music can be edited in many ways ( you know, using a PC ? ). So your point is still not valid.


Show it to me.
Lol, don't even try, replacing 1/8 things (if they even exist, because I don't think human can play with that speed) with 1/4 ones is totally legit.
this whole sentence

You can wait as long as you want, using 1/4 instead of 1/8 is totally legit.
I will.
ikin5050
you can do 1/8 slider stream with each slider at 1/4 speed?
Kyubey

Ntasuto wrote:

this whole sentence
But there's no nonsense. The whole part was edited with TicClick and Ekoro and they decided to use 1/4 there. Using 1/8 would make rhythm unnecessary complicated.
Ntasuto

Kyubey wrote:

Ntasuto wrote:

this whole sentence
But there's no nonsense. The whole part was edited with TicClick and Ekoro and they decided to use 1/4 there. Using 1/8 would make rhythm unnecessary complicated.


"Unnecessary complicated"?
But that is the song. and complicated for who ? Give the map to a new player he will say that his map is complicated anyways. it's 7.65, it is obviously aimed for the Top Trier players. You believe that these players never encountered 1/8 notes/sliders throughout their osu career and will be complicated for them ? You keep saying the same thing with other words, so i will repeat myself.

You don't know what each player is capable of and this is a fact !
Lally
to much bla bla here o3o re-gratz \o3o/
Kyubey

Ntasuto wrote:

complicated for who
It's just complicated for mapper and he decided to make that rhythm easier, there's nothing wrong, this is his way to map it and it's totally allowed.
Ntasuto

Kyubey wrote:

Ntasuto wrote:

complicated for who
It's just complicated for mapper and he decided to make that rhythm easier, there's nothing wrong, this is his way to map it and it's totally allowed.
So you mean that when a mapper says " I want my map ranked as it is coz it's my way of mapping " you just say ok , no problem !
And instead of helping the mapper with the complicated parts, you tell him to maps it the way he can , so you avoid the fuss . right ?

If this is complicated for the mapper why would he create a 7.65 star map in the first place? There is the lunatic and extra. He wanted to make something even harder.
Kyubey

Ntasuto wrote:

So you mean that when a mapper says " I want my map ranked as it is coz it's my way of mapping " you just say ok , no problem !
Yes, I just check if there is no unrankable issues and then rank it.

Ntasuto wrote:

And instead of helping the mapper with the complicated parts, you tell him to maps it the way he can , so you avoid the fuss . right ?
Why would I force mapper to add some excess stuff if he doesn't want to?

Ntasuto wrote:

If this is complicated for the mapper why would he create a 7.65 star map in the first place? There is the lunatic and extra. He wanted to make something even harder.
Because he wanted. And he wanted to make it hard without adding unnecessary things like 1/8 notes. What's wrong?
Ntasuto

Kyubey wrote:

Why would I force mapper to add some excess stuff if he doesn't want to?
Simply because most of these 1/4 notes DO NOT exists in the song , its clearly 1/8!

*back to the topic btw*
MMzz
Damn, nice.
Kyubey

Ntasuto wrote:

Simply because most of these 1/4 notes DO NOT exists in the song , its clearly 1/8!
TicClick with Ekoro decided to use 1/4 there, because it follows song much better instead of complicated mix of 1/8 and other things, that means 1/4 is the best decision there confirmed by respected and experienced QAT, and this won't be changed.
BeatofIke
The last boss map of 2015
Congratulations Ekoro 8-)
Ntasuto

Kyubey wrote:

Ntasuto wrote:

Simply because most of these 1/4 notes DO NOT exists in the song , its clearly 1/8!
TicClick with Ekoro decided to use 1/4 there, because it follows song much better instead of complicated mix of 1/8 and other things, that means 1/4 is the best decision there confirmed by respected and experienced QAT, and this won't be changed.
How does something that doesn't even exist follows the song. It doesn't belong in the song, it means that you create your own rhythm. How is this even acceptable when there is obviously a solution to it ? There are so many complicated maps out there using various mixes of 1/2 1/4 1/8 that noone has any issue with them. Why is this an exception ?
Kyubey

Ntasuto wrote:

Why is this an exception ?
Because QAT decided that will be the best way to follow these sounds without making complicated rhythm.

Ntasuto wrote:

How is this even acceptable when there is obviously a solution to it ?
This will make map better. If you still want to argue, try to argue about it with TicClick, if you don't believe me.
Aka
i think everyone already got that kyubey and ntasuto has different points of view. now we can at least try to calm down and wait for a little bit, to see what others think about this 1/8 statement.
like, i dont feel comfortable with 1/8 yellow notes, i just cant. you are talking about other maps, okay, what are "others"? which? show them, please. noone of undead corporation songs has such stuff you want to do here. and noone other streamy songs has something like streams on yellow 1/8s at !240! bpm. prove me if i am wrong, i want to see it
also i am pretty much surprised you didnt contact directly the mapper and telling all of this to us, in the thread NOW. no one else as the person who mapped this set can explain you why he did this and doesnt want that
N5U5M7R5
No one can tap 240bpm 1/8s
It's like 480bpm 1/4s..
Jenny
Wait are we actually talking about 240BPM 1/8?

If it's stacks of 3, sure - it's kind of an edge case but I can see it work out if integrated well.
If it's stacks of 5, maybe - needs even more proper integration and structure to not feel totally awful; alternatively, you could use a 3*1/8 kickslider into a jump to the next object, that gets similar intensity timingwise without breaking everything through the sheer speed of buttonmashing.


tl;dr 1/8 (notes or gaps) are not /bad/, but they certainly need a lot of consideration and experience to work with properly
Zero__wind
yes
nice
here we go again
Koiyuki
Map should be designed not only following the beats, but also considering for playing.

Anyway, gratz on requalified.
Nathan
I think using 1/4 just for the sake of not using 1/8 is enough of a reason lol

Minakami Yuki wrote:

Map should be designed not only following the beats, but also considering for playing.
Ntasuto

Aka wrote:

i think everyone already got that kyubey and ntasuto has different points of view. now we can at least try to calm down and wait for a little bit, to see what others think about this 1/8 statement.
like, i dont feel comfortable with 1/8 yellow notes, i just cant. you are talking about other maps, okay, what are "others"? which? show them, please. noone of undead corporation songs has such stuff you want to do here. and noone other streamy songs has something like streams on yellow 1/8s at !240! bpm. prove me if i am wrong, i want to see it
also i am pretty much surprised you didnt contact directly the mapper and telling all of this to us, in the thread NOW. no one else as the person who mapped this set can explain you why he did this and doesnt want that

If my eyes don't deceive me you added the " 240! bpm" after a quick edit. I guess you did that to limit my options. ok then here is a list:

And don't forget i never said anything about making 1/8 streams. if you check at my template i sent you you will see for yourself. i am talking about notes placed on 1/8. It was merely for the purpose of seeing of where the 1/8 beats i talk about are and a small wait of how it could be mapped. I can't tell the mapper where to place the notes on the map and if he should put 3 single tap 1/8 notes or use a 1/8 reverse slider instead. Looks like neither you did check the file i sent you.

Maybe not 240bpm but about that close 205+ close.

  1. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/55560
  2. https://osu.ppy.sh/b/95382
  3. https://osu.ppy.sh/b/262302
  4. https://osu.ppy.sh/b/83975
  5. https://osu.ppy.sh/b/83975
Ntasuto

Jenny wrote:

Wait are we actually talking about 240BPM 1/8?

If it's stacks of 3, sure - it's kind of an edge case but I can see it work out if integrated well.
If it's stacks of 5, maybe - needs even more proper integration and structure to not feel totally awful; alternatively, you could use a 3*1/8 kickslider into a jump to the next object, that gets similar intensity timingwise without breaking everything through the sheer speed of buttonmashing.


tl;dr 1/8 (notes or gaps) are not /bad/, but they certainly need a lot of consideration and experience to work with properly
this is maybe the best thing i read so far since the time i said that 1/8 notes/sliders should be used instead of 1/4 that is now.

As i said before the 1/8 beats can be mapped in many ways and i know that 1/8 streams are crazy... which i never suggested. This all happens coz of 1 reason. NOONE even bothered downloading and checking my template or maybe understanding that i has 0 streams in it.

A *1 white to blue/ blue to red , has the same timing space as a *2yellow to yellow. Its just different. and since there are so many 1/4 streams and kicksliders using the *1 way, how is *2 impossible ? it's all about timing !

Edit: For those who may be wondering what is in the file i pushed here it is : http://puu.sh/gEUJv/46279b2044.jpg
No streams, white to yellow to blue to yellow to red as most of people think i suggest. Only problem is (8) (9) which i already stated that i am not sure about it
captin1
using 1/4 over 1/8 is still fine

can you do us a favor and stop

now
Monstrata
Downloaded Ntasuto's version: Here's what it looks like for anyone too lazy to dl:


Yea lol. None of this was ever about 1/8 streams

Yea... it's unnecessarily complicated imo, also, these 3/8 gaps seem really difficult to play...
Ntasuto
Well, i guess that's it. Run of our resources, got nothing more to say. Up to the QAT. I highly doubt that anything will change.

Enjoy your rerank Ekoro.
Frostmourne
I have sneakily observed this map xD

Congratz for the requalify!!
Vuelo Eluko
it's not your map, you can't just demand it get unqualified because you would have mapped some part of it differently than the mapper who made it did. jesus
FappyBabes
congrats for the re-rank!
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