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me too for some reasonWinnyace wrote:
I refuse to believe people are don't use LinuxKarmine wrote:
I refuse to believe people were born after 2010.
I mean, we're not going to deny an appeal because it's not a "high quality" threadYmir wrote:
What's the point of bringing this back?
I get appealing good and useful threads but this one is exceptionally pointless.
I've got bad news for you: about 8 billion people.BluePyTheWDeer_ wrote:
me too for some reasonWinnyace wrote:
I refuse to believe people are don't use LinuxKarmine wrote:
I refuse to believe people were born after 2010.
say hello to windows recall, this will reduce the flow of users to windows 11
It won't. Sadly, people are either unknowing about Linux or they don't want to switch, for good and bad reasons.z0z wrote:
say hello to windows recall, this will reduce the flow of users to windows 11
wait we already are at 8 billion? we need to notify the oligarchs so they can do something about it, this is unacceptable!Karmine wrote:
I've got bad news for you: about 8 billion people.BluePyTheWDeer_ wrote:
me too for some reasonWinnyace wrote:
I refuse to believe people are don't use LinuxKarmine wrote:
I refuse to believe people were born after 2010.
I swear how do you guys keep derailing stuff into linux discussions
OT mid 2024 I guessPatatitta wrote:
I swear how do you guys keep derailing stuff into linux discussions
cant wait to see what type of users christmas will bring
That's what not touching grass since birth does to a mf.Patatitta wrote:
I swear how do you guys keep derailing stuff into linux discussions
hey im not a linux userKarmine wrote:
That's what not touching grass since birth does to a mf.Patatitta wrote:
I swear how do you guys keep derailing stuff into linux discussions
said the french guyKarmine wrote:
That's what not touching grass since birth does to a mf.Patatitta wrote:
I swear how do you guys keep derailing stuff into linux discussions
You're worse.Reyalp51 wrote:
hey im not a linux userKarmine wrote:
That's what not touching grass since birth does to a mf.Patatitta wrote:
I swear how do you guys keep derailing stuff into linux discussions
You look like an SS tier asshole. Your PFP absolutely doesn't help you here.Karmine wrote:
You're worse.Reyalp51 wrote:
hey im not a linux userKarmine wrote:
That's what not touching grass since birth does to a mf.Patatitta wrote:
I swear how do you guys keep derailing stuff into linux discussions
/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzedWinnyace wrote:
You look like an SS tier asshole. Your PFP absolutely doesn't help you here.Karmine wrote:
You're worse.Reyalp51 wrote:
hey im not a linux userKarmine wrote:
That's what not touching grass since birth does to a mf.Patatitta wrote:
I swear how do you guys keep derailing stuff into linux discussions
i feel like im old ;-;
Wait until you you're out of school and all your friends have moved far away, then you'll really feel old xD.her everything wrote:
i feel like im old ;-;
lmaoooo my friend is actually gonna move out this year soooo it's nearing 😰Karmine wrote:
Wait until you you're out of school and all your friends have moved far away, then you'll really feel old xD.her everything wrote:
i feel like im old ;-;
Ayy good luck with that.her everything wrote:
lmaoooo my friend is actually gonna move out this year soooo it's nearing 😰Karmine wrote:
Wait until you you're out of school and all your friends have moved far away, then you'll really feel old xD.her everything wrote:
i feel like im old ;-;
tsun tsunKarmine wrote:
You're worse.Reyalp51 wrote:
hey im not a linux userKarmine wrote:
That's what not touching grass since birth does to a mf.Patatitta wrote:
I swear how do you guys keep derailing stuff into linux discussions
what is the problem with his pfp lolWinnyace wrote:
You look like an SS tier asshole. Your PFP absolutely doesn't help you here.Karmine wrote:
You're worse.Reyalp51 wrote:
hey im not a linux userKarmine wrote:
That's what not touching grass since birth does to a mf.Patatitta wrote:
I swear how do you guys keep derailing stuff into linux discussions
started happening with me recentlyKarmine wrote:
Wait until you you're out of school and all your friends have moved far away, then you'll really feel old xD.her everything wrote:
i feel like im old ;-;
You made the thread where you said that one's pfp gives off a different vibe, right? Well, to me, his pfp gives off the vibe of someone eternally pissed off by everything and anything. Mix it with his assholistic replies and it really doesn't help.Polyspora wrote:
what is the problem with his pfp lol
most of the time i root for winny but this time cant say that i do
When someone is an asshole and I feel like he is an asshole, I will say it. I feel like he is an asshole at the moment. If he isn't, great. He didn't make me feel like he isn't, however.sametdze wrote:
most of the time i root for winny but this time cant say that i do
they go to windows 10, 8, and 7 (yes people do that) insteadWinnyace wrote:
It won't. Sadly, people are either unknowing about Linux or they don't want to switch, for good and bad reasons.z0z wrote:
say hello to windows recall, this will reduce the flow of users to windows 11
Personally he doesn't come off as an asshole to me. But maybe that's because I'm used to being ignored by my senpai IppE.... doki doki.
Chill guys I'm just fooling around. If I really wanted to talk shit to someone I'd go in their DM.
the idea of someone with an avatar like that talking shit to me makes me laugh for some reason
I guess I was the idiot, again. I apologize for wrongly accusing you of something.Karmine wrote:
Chill guys I'm just fooling around. If I really wanted to talk shit to someone I'd go in their DM.
I'm a big boy, very serioussametdze wrote:
the idea of someone with an avatar like that talking shit to me makes me laugh for some reason
.What can I say? I'm way too sensitive sometimes and being online, in a sub-forum mostly interested in shitposting and whatnot, it isn't a good idea.sametdze wrote:
the idea of someone with an avatar like that talking shit to me makes me laugh for some reason
i think i sympathize with that;; it did in fact remind me of the poly thread, although im not very deeply affected by... most avatars, maybe, so much as i am by how our typing styles communicate our thoughts... it's our choices in punctuation and capitalization, sure, but also which topics we address and to what extent we elaborate on them. it's in how concretely precise or abstractly tangential our comments are, how we phrase a sentence and how we frame the subject. it's in how introspective or definitive we are in our suggestions or statements. it's how low/high the effort in emotive affect would be, how long you dwell and linger on a subject inside or outside the context of a conversation, how much we may or may not add qualifiers to our suggestions/statements, et ceteraWinnyace wrote:
What can I say? I'm way too sensitive sometimes and being online, in a sub-forum mostly interested in shitposting and whatnot, it isn't a good idea.sametdze wrote:
the idea of someone with an avatar like that talking shit to me makes me laugh for some reason
you've always read to me as being so... i guess... kind of ambiguously dry and terse, and yet also ambivalent? it admittedly is both fascinating and intimidating coupled with at least the impression of an earnestness in your unadultered critiques of various things, so it presents a kind of invisible wall, something like an impression of callousness (where any of the rare moments of whimsy counteracting it, like the pyromania thread, would appear slightly dry) which then is "betrayed"/subverted by very vulnerable glimpses of moments where it seems you place lots of care and effort into advising someone to take care of themself or in moments of admitting to insecurities or in describing yourself as sensitive
with someone like... karmine, for example, somehow this is a fair bit different. a few similar impressions exist there in my mind, but somehow karmine doesn't seem that dry, nor particularlt terse, and this is helped a lot by certain emoticons and figures of speech ("nah, aight", which could read as being somewhat more casual, a willingness to not need to appear formal). i'm not entirely sure what this is, i don't have concrete answers for that. karmine still can seem vaguely callous in some responses, yet i doubt that really accurately composes the underlying personality and sentiment behind the screen. i see you the same way, but in the brief few interactions we had, you read as much more genuinely externally apathetic and disinterested in anything other than your interests (to clarify, not a sincere critique, not suggesting i truly believe that, nor that there ought to be any change), as though standing entirely alone in a box and set apart from the more social denizens in here-- yet that's not entirely right, as this impression is subverted again by people who truly seem to at least mostly respect and value you. i suppose it's mostly that i believe that's the case, even if i don't necessarily have any evidence to suggest it as definitively true
sametdze is another interesting contrast-- somewhere in the middle, he seems very relaxed and vaguely funny, with some investments in the forum. i'm not totally sure how i would describe this though, i'm losing clarity in my impressions and abstractions and am a little fatigued;; but he seems fitting as the stepping stone before the next two people that come to mind for illustrative purposes, being the deepfried chaotic humor and sickly saccharine excitability of reffty and lostsilver, respectively. they're much higher in emotive affect in my mind, being much easier to be around to some limited extent-- that extent obviously being a general uncomplicated childlike whimsy, because... they're almost certainly children, if barely even teenagers, so...
...i don't know. tone and personality are strange things. you all are fascinating, and yet most people are kind of hard for a person like me to approach, where i would also consider myself sensitive/reactive in some senses, and not entirely aware of how to actively moderate my obsessive speculative/explorative rumination without just not saying anything to anyone at all-- somewhat of a false absolutist dichotomy, but it certainly seems that way. ultimately it results in there being a lot of text and effort in thought that i generally tend to believe would be Exhausting to read, but... maybe not, i don't really know that
I believe my attempts at jokes here don't land compared to other members here, so over time, I've began being a bit more serious and whatnot. When I try to joke around, I try to make it obvious, either through the use of emotes or imagery or spelling errors or a combination of different things. Tone is almost impossible to be told through text alone, without hints, clearly stating the tone you have or context and it is easy to miss it too. I've missed with Karmine here.Achromalia wrote:
you've always read to me as being so... i guess... kind of ambiguously dry and terse, and yet also ambivalent? it admittedly is both fascinating and intimidating coupled with at least the impression of an earnestness in your unadultered critiques of various things, so it presents a kind of invisible wall, something like an impression of callousness (where any of the rare moments of whimsy counteracting it, like the pyromania thread, would appear slightly dry) which then is "betrayed"/subverted by very vulnerable glimpses of moments where it seems you place lots of care and effort into advising someone to take care of themself or in moments of admitting to insecurities or in describing yourself as sensitive
I'm, probably, coming off as ambivalent because often I'll have one strong opinion about something, then someone comes and completely destroys the image I've had of that and I feel the need to switch up to show my rationality and factual correctness. I attempt to be as rational as I can, as well as factually correct, which certainly isn't the case always and some might say most of the time, but I do attempt to be rational and factually correct.
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bro, wtf is just happen ??
we went from "you're way too young" to "avatar impressions" and now we're looking at massive walls of text, cover your eyes reffty
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oh, that's pretty off topicsametdze wrote:
we went from "you're way too young" to "avatar impressions" and now we're looking at massive walls of text, cover your eyes reffty
mate do you not see the signreffty_gag wrote:
oh, that's pretty off topicsametdze wrote:
we went from "you're way too young" to "avatar impressions" and now we're looking at massive walls of text, cover your eyes reffty
oh mb you're covering your eyes uncover them and look to your left
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na na nah, i dont wanna read them cuz yeah, im not interested (or even i dont like) conversation like these, like WHY ??sametdze wrote:
oh mb you're covering your eyes uncover them and look to your left
what drives achro to write such big paragraphs is unknown <(0-0)>reffty_gag wrote:
na na nah, i dont wanna read them cuz yeah, im not interested (or even i dont like) conversation like these, like WHY ??sametdze wrote:
oh mb you're covering your eyes uncover them and look to your left
like you're saying you dont wanna read the big walls of text right
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maybe she want to write a novelsametdze wrote:
what drives achro to write such big paragraphs is unknown <(0-0)>reffty_gag wrote:
na na nah, i dont wanna read them cuz yeah, im not interested (or even i dont like) conversation like these, like WHY ??sametdze wrote:
oh mb you're covering your eyes uncover them and look to your left
i imagine the way i read your tone could precisely be informed by that impression of your drive toward... being rational and factually correct, probably, but in my mind it's also about deliberately appearing rational and factually correct (rather than correctness simply composing your appearance)-- almost as though insisting that this is something you should Demonstrate and Be (almost like "wearing a suit" made of these characteristics), and that's specifically what i read from even mentioning "rational and factually correct" + "feeling the need to switch up to *show* [rationality/factuality]", though that could entirely be likely to be an inaccurate made-up conclusion i've held in suspense about youWinnyace wrote:
I believe my attempts at jokes here don't land compared to other members here, so over time, I've began being a bit more serious and whatnot. When I try to joke around, I try to make it obvious, either through the use of emotes or imagery or spelling errors or a combination of different things. Tone is almost impossible to be told through text alone, without hints, clearly stating the tone you have or context and it is easy to miss it too. I've missed with Karmine here.Achromalia wrote:
you've always read to me as being so... i guess... kind of ambiguously dry and terse, and yet also ambivalent? it admittedly is both fascinating and intimidating coupled with at least the impression of an earnestness in your unadultered critiques of various things, so it presents a kind of invisible wall, something like an impression of callousness (where any of the rare moments of whimsy counteracting it, like the pyromania thread, would appear slightly dry) which then is "betrayed"/subverted by very vulnerable glimpses of moments where it seems you place lots of care and effort into advising someone to take care of themself or in moments of admitting to insecurities or in describing yourself as sensitive
I'm, probably, coming off as ambivalent because often I'll have one strong opinion about something, then someone comes and completely destroys the image I've had of that and I feel the need to switch up to show my rationality and factual correctness. I attempt to be as rational as I can, as well as factually correct, which certainly isn't the case always and some might say most of the time, but I do attempt to be rational and factually correct.
i thiiink i have some kind of similar impulse, maybe. although i tend to phrase my motive and aspiration as Not being "rational", because i actually generally avoid this self-impression, but rather, it's that i would hope to be "accurate" (which may be considered effectively synonymous with "factual"? but somehow they just seem different) and "perceptive"
ultimately i'm not a very concrete or grounded or realistic person, in terms of my history with those in practice. and so i can't conscionably really be comfortable presuming myself or fashioning myself to appear that way (partly because i have very low logical clarity of mind in my opinion, with hazy impressions that radiate in weblike tangential tendrils to interrelated features), though i will still want to "be right"
in the forms that i critique people, it seems to be more about a mixture of "how harmful/hurtful might they be (inclusive of harm done from being wrong and propagating misinformation, therefore not exclusively a matter of sentiment in that it partly also is about logical consquence, the same way being emotionally hurt is about consequence)?" and "do they make any sense?" and "do they seem to sincerely and curiously introspect?", among some other qualifying conditions
hmmn. it's complicated, though i don't want that to discourage me from examining and parsing it. i just generally am averse to trying to insist that i'm being logical or rational, although i do want to be. i don't think it has to be mutually exclusive from sentimentality and whimsy. i really really don't, and therefore i think i tend to be caught somewhere in an ambiguous midpoint between childlike explorative gentleness and then the need to be soberly accurate and perceptive
idk how you read into this, though i would love to hear more from you about it so... mmyeah
My wish to be rational and factually correct most likely stands from my desire to stand-out here, in some fashion. Back in 2020-2021, very few wanted to be logical. A lot of this sub-forum was RP stuff, very fantastical in nature. I didn't fit in at all. Nowadays, most people here are more serious, for the lack of a better word, less whimsy. I guess I also try to seem rational and factually correct than really be. If I was rational, I wouldn't have accused Karmine of being an asshole, would I?Achromalia wrote:
i imagine the way i read your tone could precisely be informed by that impression of your drive toward... being rational and factually correct, probably, but in my mind it's also about deliberately appearing rational and factually correct (rather than correctness simply composing your appearance)-- almost as though insisting that this is something you should Demonstrate and Be (almost like "wearing a suit" made of these characteristics), and that's specifically what i read from even mentioning "rational and factually correct" + "feeling the need to switch up to *show* [rationality/factuality]", though that could entirely be likely to be an inaccurate made-up conclusion i've held in suspense about youWinnyace wrote:
I believe my attempts at jokes here don't land compared to other members here, so over time, I've began being a bit more serious and whatnot. When I try to joke around, I try to make it obvious, either through the use of emotes or imagery or spelling errors or a combination of different things. Tone is almost impossible to be told through text alone, without hints, clearly stating the tone you have or context and it is easy to miss it too. I've missed with Karmine here.Achromalia wrote:
you've always read to me as being so... i guess... kind of ambiguously dry and terse, and yet also ambivalent? it admittedly is both fascinating and intimidating coupled with at least the impression of an earnestness in your unadultered critiques of various things, so it presents a kind of invisible wall, something like an impression of callousness (where any of the rare moments of whimsy counteracting it, like the pyromania thread, would appear slightly dry) which then is "betrayed"/subverted by very vulnerable glimpses of moments where it seems you place lots of care and effort into advising someone to take care of themself or in moments of admitting to insecurities or in describing yourself as sensitive
I'm, probably, coming off as ambivalent because often I'll have one strong opinion about something, then someone comes and completely destroys the image I've had of that and I feel the need to switch up to show my rationality and factual correctness. I attempt to be as rational as I can, as well as factually correct, which certainly isn't the case always and some might say most of the time, but I do attempt to be rational and factually correct.
i thiiink i have some kind of similar impulse, maybe. although i tend to phrase my motive and aspiration as Not being "rational", because i actually generally avoid this self-impression, but rather, it's that i would hope to be "accurate" (which may be considered effectively synonymous with "factual"? but somehow they just seem different) and "perceptive"
ultimately i'm not a very concrete or grounded or realistic person, in terms of my history with those in practice. and so i can't conscionably really be comfortable presuming myself or fashioning myself to appear that way (partly because i have very low logical clarity of mind in my opinion, with hazy impressions that radiate in weblike tangential tendrils to interrelated features), though i will still want to "be right"
in the forms that i critique people, it seems to be more about a mixture of "how harmful/hurtful might they be (inclusive of harm done from being wrong and propagating misinformation, therefore not exclusively a matter of sentiment in that it partly also is about logical consquence, the same way being emotionally hurt is about consequence)?" and "do they make any sense?" and "do they seem to sincerely and curiously introspect?", among some other qualifying conditions
hmmn. it's complicated, though i don't want that to discourage me from examining and parsing it. i just generally am averse to trying to insist that i'm being logical or rational, although i do want to be. i don't think it has to be mutually exclusive from sentimentality and whimsy. i really really don't, and therefore i think i tend to be caught somewhere in an ambiguous midpoint between childlike explorative gentleness and then the need to be soberly accurate and perceptive
idk how you read into this, though i would love to hear more from you about it so... mmyeah
It is also coming from my belief I'm not really funny. If I'm not funny, I can be rational, right? Well, it seems I can't be either and that's weird and dissapointing.
You honestly seem really indecisive a lot of the times. You edited your previous post 10 times in the span of two hours. Not sure if it is due to gramatical errors or what, but it is a bit excessive. You also seem to ruminate massively, sidetracking from the original subject entirely and going into the realm of socio-politico-psycho analysis, even when it is ultimately unnecessary and only dilutes your points, resulting in a mess that can be tldr'd by saying "I don't really agree with either side, since both sides have good points". It's not like you lack logic or you aren't grounded. I feel like you ultimately try to seek answers where the answer is sometimes just gut reactions and feelings. I don't know, however, so take everything I said here with a massive grain of salt.
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you know what, I'm gonna try to understand what happenedsametdze wrote:
like you're saying you dont wanna read the big walls of text right
Whole ass philosophical texts here
honestly a friend of mine is considering moving away because of college, honestly makes me a bit sad thinking about it, I will miss herKarmine wrote:
Wait until you you're out of school and all your friends have moved far away, then you'll really feel old xD.her everything wrote:
i feel like im old ;-;
[...pending, for when i return...]Winnyace wrote:
My wish to be rational and factually correct most likely stands from my desire to stand-out here, in some fashion. Back in 2020-2021, very few wanted to be logical. A lot of this sub-forum was RP stuff, very fantastical in nature. I didn't fit in at all. Nowadays, most people here are more serious, for the lack of a better word, less whimsy. I guess I also try to seem rational and factually correct than really be. If I was rational, I wouldn't have accused Karmine of being an asshole, would I?
It is also coming from my belief I'm not really funny. If I'm not funny, I can be rational, right? Well, it seems I can't be either and that's weird and disappointing.
i think that's actually quite a fair assessment!! i genuinely feel quite gratified in finding that someone can hand me a good-enough mirror to at least loosely approximate my features/characteristics in a way that makes sense and isn't totally inaccurate <3Winnyace wrote:
You honestly seem really indecisive a lot of the times. You edited your previous post 10 times in the span of two hours. Not sure if it is due to gramatical errors or what, but it is a bit excessive. You also seem to ruminate massively, sidetracking from the original subject entirely and going into the realm of socio-politico-psycho analysis, even when it is ultimately unnecessary and only dilutes your points, resulting in a mess that can be tldr'd by saying "Idon't really agree with either side, since both sides have good points". It's not like you lack logic or you aren't grounded. I feel like you ultimately try to seek answers where the answer is sometimes just gut reactions and feelings. I don't know, however, so take everything I said here with a massive grain of salt.
on indecision, that's very consistently true-- i generally dread having to prune my thinking, although that's not to suggest that i (+ the majority of humanity) wouldn't regularly use impulsive little feeling-kernels and thought-weeds to heuristically determine something and do something. i find that there's a visceral kind of discomfort that might approximate some impulsive fear like "reductivism ~/= ignorance/oblivion" and "ignorance/oblivion ~/= death(?)", and i seem to refuse to summarize anything without trying to lend at least one or two roots leading toward the mychorrhizal structure of contexts for some kind of network of subjects and their characteristics/applications. i tend to rely on other people to either match my explorative rumination and satisfyingly expand on it themselves, or have them instead be capable of accurately summarizing the substance of what i mean to convey without discarding a meaningful component of the model i'm theorizing with or describing. but without that assistance, inevitably this means you're weighing far too many things at once to reasonably make regular competent executive decisions, or really even bring yourself to try to, leading to extremely low volition in exchange for arguably moderately-high breadth/depth of "connective/contextual" understanding (if even that) instead of necessarily a thorough competence in the subject's substance itself. i generally don't like advising someone with one insistent conclusion when i'm not that person nor will i thoroughly understand their obstacle or the environment for that obstacle, so a lot of qualifying is done so at least the numerous branches can be traced to their roots and bridged between to try something else... or that's what i supposedly seem to think, i'm not sure :p
on editing, it's a perfectionistic mixture of fine-tuning my delivery, correcting a factual error (or at least finding a more probable/plausible reflection of reality), clarifying an impression so that it may be less vague, as well as a discomfort with whatever i'd consider to be a grammatical error. i don't particularly personally consider it excessive partly because there is no penalty i could readily reference beyond maybe the time-and-effort investment in exchange for a message that's more accurate to what i mean to speculate/evaluate. i don't really view others' scrutiny of my editing to be that regularly significant, since it usually only produces a trivial impression of indecision, and arguably even would cause some people to positively believe i'm particularly meticulous or thorough. or at least i imagine that's probable, but i don't particularly rely on either of those impressions because i tend to be comfortable as long as they generally serve some kind of internally-reasoned purpose, even if not necessarily universally executively practical for someone
on ruminating, i find an incredible amount of comfort and ease in exploring and developing a personal "universal web" model of something i'm thinking of/about, it's where i most readily turn to in order to understand something that i truly want to understand, by elaborating on its many possible interrelated contexts so that all ingredients can be acknowledged and readily available to reference and play with or test in my mind, even if i don't particularly remember everything concretely. they leave a ton of layers of abstractions and relations i don't really understand until i'm actually visiting that tree of internalized material/substance to think about it. it's how i've explored myself and my relationship to things as much as i have, though i suspect there are far better ways-- i just haven't particularly developed a model that can observe and verify and make sense of them, perhaps partly due to a self-preservative ego, or maybe a general distrust of the accuracy and applicability of what someone would claim
on diluted reasoning, i'm a bit puzzled about how to elaborate on it. it seems fair to note about anything where i might be explaining something for the purpose of someone who might make a decision on account of "just give me an intuitive instruction list about this that makes sense. tell me what to do, what an action does, and how to do that, and you can leave the Why of it strictly to whatever has direct/immediate relevance. i don't need to know what other people do with this, and i don't need to know its history". i imagine that part of an attempt at a rebuttal would reference my other priorities as i described them earlier, but ultimately i think this is a really salient critique of these kinds of approaches (or perhaps i'm just not sure how i would resolve them) when prioritizing pragmatic/heuristic application
on the tldr you submitted, i do think that's a little imprecise. it makes sense to me to imagine that, and i think i tend to "both-sides" things or respond as an "angel's advocate" for people/positions/perspectives, but not necessarily to the effect of equal agreement/disagreement, really it usually has just been the same case of indecision
on gut reactivity, i generally try to form my understanding of something so that it would be inclusive of that raw uncomplicated reactivity-- what i tend to do though is expand on possible causes for why it was intuitive for someone to have their particular reaction in the context of one particular situation and then any pattern over the course of similar or unrelated situations. in essence, the idea is for that model of understanding to attempt to be both a generalizer and specializer, and
...mmnh, i'm on a limited time budget now and have to leave, so i'll have to post this as it is, though i wanted to clarify further