some1 pls translaetrichardfeder wrote:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2905827484?pn=1
for those who are interested in wat is really about lol. It includes things you want to know but
sorry it is written in Chinese.
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PyaKura wrote:
some1 pls translaetrichardfeder wrote:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2905827484?pn=1
for those who are interested in wat is really about lol. It includes things you want to know but
sorry it is written in Chinese.
Part 1 Translation
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Mania is dead
Groumiezi
DJPop wrote:
Now 100% of osu! is completely garbage. I never, ever thought this would happen back in the first era. I miss that timeDexus wrote:
RIP
Removed.
Still WIP..PyaKura wrote:
Thanks Spy.Spy wrote:
Part 1 Translation===REMOVED===
oh god.... I was never into mania but I know how important it is
many people join just to play it...
let's hope for the best
I read the translated test and I think it really can't be helped ;w; but what if ppy finds another dev?
many people join just to play it...
let's hope for the best
I read the translated test and I think it really can't be helped ;w; but what if ppy finds another dev?
Even though there were no mods included....Mania will be missed R.I.P
that 3rd part has me a little on edge. if you're going to translate this, could you send me a early copy so i can check for anything that shouldn't really been said?Spy wrote:
You'll see 3 kinds of things here :
1.Code
2.management
3.Ban account and anit-cheat
I won't translate it.deadbeat wrote:
that 3rd part has me a little on edge. if you're going to translate this, could you send me a early copy so i can check for anything that shouldn't really been said?Spy wrote:
You'll see 3 kinds of things here :
1.Code
2.management
3.Ban account and anit-cheat
even better :3
It is?Stefan wrote:
Taiko is broken as shit and no one cares
Bye mania, time to move on i guess 
eyup.CaptainAhab wrote:
It is?Stefan wrote:
Taiko is broken as shit and no one cares
- The only mode with the endless end bug.
- Kiai is broken.
- the Taiko banner (on the upper side) has still no fix.
- wrong background postion since Taiko BG are unrankable (for whatever reasons)
I am sure there are some little more things.
mania :Stefan wrote:
eyup.
- The only mode with the endless end bug.
- Kiai is broken.
- the Taiko banner (on the upper side) has still no fix.
- wrong background postion since Taiko BG are unrankable (for whatever reasons)
I am sure there are some little more things.
- Official doesn't support .ogg anymore,means keysound map is dead.
- Sample import broken,we can add sample by it,but first one is normal,after add second sample,your sample is silence,ppy never knows that is the main reason he killed osu!mania mappers because hitsounds are for rules to be rankable.
- Keysound maps are silence.
Is there a chance of these ever being dealt with? Or should players just look to other ways to play Taiko?Stefan wrote:
eyup.
- The only mode with the endless end bug.
- Kiai is broken.
- the Taiko banner (on the upper side) has still no fix.
- wrong background postion since Taiko BG are unrankable (for whatever reasons)
I am sure there are some little more things.
+1Spy wrote:
mania :
- Official doesn't support .ogg anymore,means keysound map is dead.
- Sample import broken,we can add sample by it,but first one is normal,after add second sample,your sample is silence,ppy never knows that is the main reason he killed osu!mania mappers because hitsounds are for rules to be rankable.
- Keysound maps are silence.
+100ishimaru94 wrote:
+1Spy wrote:
mania :
- Official doesn't support .ogg anymore,means keysound map is dead.
- Sample import broken,we can add sample by it,but first one is normal,after add second sample,your sample is silence,ppy never knows that is the main reason he killed osu!mania mappers because hitsounds are for rules to be rankable.
- Keysound maps are silence.
Groumiezi
+1000000000000000099999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999ExPew wrote:
+100Spy wrote:
mania :
- Official doesn't support .ogg anymore,means keysound map is dead.
- Sample import broken,we can add sample by it,but first one is normal,after add second sample,your sample is silence,ppy never knows that is the main reason he killed osu!mania mappers because hitsounds are for rules to be rankable.
- Keysound maps are silence.
hax
This has never been supported in osu! so this has been disabled. Also I am talking about Gameplay issues, not mapping issues. However still no one give a damn about these issues in the Taiko Mode and o!m had since the first day more support as CTB or Taiko.Spy wrote:
- Official doesn't support .ogg anymore,means keysound map is dead.
- Keysound maps are silence.
About this issue I am divided, for one; people are not forced to get their stuff ranked. We all know that some unranked Beatmaps are popular, even legendary how they have been mapped. On the other side, it takes the option away so it restrict a part of freedom in o!m Mapping. as said I am divided about this problem.Spy wrote:
- Sample import broken,we can add sample by it,but first one is normal,after add second sample,your sample is silence,ppy never knows that is the main reason he killed osu!mania mappers because hitsounds are for rules to be rankable.
I don't know, I guess waiting and living with them is the only we can do.CaptainAhab wrote:
Is there a chance of these ever being dealt with? Or should players just look to other ways to play Taiko?
RIP oggs. You'll be missed.
Everyone implying Mania is dead. Its not like there is no other developer in this world who could code the stuff woc coded.
For the time no one other is found tho, it'll stay at that unbelievable mess state it is in right now. Instead of everybody whining about the "worlds end" or whatsoever, we maybe, just maaaybe, could try to get things going back to a right path and fix stuff somehow. Simply crying never solved any problems, lul.
Not to hate or anything, but i just think its hilarious that mania is "dead" just because a dev left.
Or, as Drace said, implying it ever really lived.
lol.
For the time no one other is found tho, it'll stay at that unbelievable mess state it is in right now. Instead of everybody whining about the "worlds end" or whatsoever, we maybe, just maaaybe, could try to get things going back to a right path and fix stuff somehow. Simply crying never solved any problems, lul.
Not to hate or anything, but i just think its hilarious that mania is "dead" just because a dev left.
Or, as Drace said, implying it ever really lived.
lol.
RIP mania
I like games where no one has authority so I'm going back to lr2 lol
~land of freedom~
I like games where no one has authority so I'm going back to lr2 lol
~land of freedom~
Guess I'll end up moving to LR2 or another VSRG. I'll just wait and see how things evolve here...
@Tori : read woc's long post with google translate or something, things written in there are pretty "interesting" ;o .
@Tori : read woc's long post with google translate or something, things written in there are pretty "interesting" ;o .
I think woc leaving won't really affect o!m development if we get a good enough replacement. It would take several weeks' or even months' time though, depending on the size of the code, for said replacement to be familiarized to it.
If we chose not to, then so be it. o!m showed at lot of potential, though. And for someone without a VSRG to come back to, it's quite saddening.
If we chose not to, then so be it. o!m showed at lot of potential, though. And for someone without a VSRG to come back to, it's quite saddening.
The problem isn't that we don't have a dev atm: if you've read his explanation, you'd know even if we get a really good dev things won't change because of the current mindset.
If the mindset changes, the rest will follow.
If the mindset changes, the rest will follow.
It's just who in their right mind would want to.[TaikoTori] wrote:
Its not like there is no other developer in this world who could code the stuff woc coded.
This is just a result of mania community getting the shitty end of the stick with peppy for 1.5 years. Finally having something like woc quitting fired some excitement. Everyone who's saying mania is dead has tried, some even worked their asses off, to improve mania. Only to get shorthanded by one of peppy's tyrannical, nonsensical decisions based purely off what he likes to call "his vision of osu".
It's not about the coding abilities, it's his attitude. He threw a game mode into his game and he doesn't even know what it is. The least he could is accept what the people around him suggests.
Alas, getting through to him is too much hassle compared to just moving on to one of the better VSRGs, or contributing to a new one. Let's all follow woc's example.
Move along people, nothing to see here
#RIP!mania
I guess we're left with just other modes, I'll have to search for a good o2 server laterDrace wrote:
#RIP!mania
What do you mean, "anything that shouldn't really been said"?deadbeat wrote:
that 3rd part has me a little on edge. if you're going to translate this, could you send me a early copy so i can check for anything that shouldn't really been said?Spy wrote:
You'll see 3 kinds of things here :
1.Code
2.management
3.Ban account and anit-cheat
Getting the basic gist of what woc is saying in that post is as easy as running it through Google translate. He's basically just complaining about the submission process for updates (with peppy having to manually approve each and every little change in the code) and the fact that 70% of the base code of osu! are still the same as in 2007, making it hard to implement bigger changes in the osu!mania game mode and editor.
Edit: Ooh, there's more to it than that one page... Page 2 is where things get interesting. He seems to talk about peppy not wanting to ban a popular player despite something them doing something that was against the rules, although Google Translator doesn't make it clear what offense that presumably was. Though, it does show that woc claims peppy had delayed that ban "because he felt that this man too powerful , ban osu community would break out , remember that time ppy to say, The following will be mentioned again."
Oh, and he talks about cookiezi, too. Fun stuff.
anything that shouldn't be said is referring to the "ban account an anti cheat"
i think its because they don't want to disclose anything that can bypass their system.
Don't know guys, but I think you overtake it now.
I'm not sure what happened there between woc and ppy, and to be honest I don't want to know it. But while taiko has needed 5~6 years of community-, system- and ranking-development ( which were marked with many discussions, problems and more ), mania just had about one year which is not even comperable with the first year of taiko; a time where taiko was only a mod like Hidden or Hardrock nowadays is and where we had no rights at all. And we didn't even had a Taiko-Mode developer. All we had was us, the community. Nowadays, I can proudly say that due to our community the other gamemodes have got their benefits through it as well.
So why rely only on one person? I'm not in the position to tell you guys what to do; neither do I know the community really well at this point. woc did on his way a great job so far, but maybe now is the time where you guys have to think together about solutions for certain problems. You have even better possibilities than osu and Taiko back then. Of course, it won't be always easy and sometimes there will be for sure some dispute. But this shouldn't stop you -the community- to work for their gamemode. After all, it seems like most of you guys have some kind of same goal; the improvement of this game mode, not?
- I know. It is easier to relay on one person and do nothing. In this way you can't harm yourself by doing wrong actions. But having no action will not bring you any further at all, or just make the develpoment process slower.
What you could do some may ask? Hm... it depends of your situation. You could try to find the core problem for example. But don't blame other people for it. After all it won't help you at all and makes you go all po pi po(rage), I think. Neither does "RIP mania" help. lol
But hey. It happens often that in difficulties situations, the right people / groups appear. Sooner or later.
Best luck from my site, I guess.
P.s.: Really guys, don't underrestimate your community. Together you can do much more.
I'm not sure what happened there between woc and ppy, and to be honest I don't want to know it. But while taiko has needed 5~6 years of community-, system- and ranking-development ( which were marked with many discussions, problems and more ), mania just had about one year which is not even comperable with the first year of taiko; a time where taiko was only a mod like Hidden or Hardrock nowadays is and where we had no rights at all. And we didn't even had a Taiko-Mode developer. All we had was us, the community. Nowadays, I can proudly say that due to our community the other gamemodes have got their benefits through it as well.
So why rely only on one person? I'm not in the position to tell you guys what to do; neither do I know the community really well at this point. woc did on his way a great job so far, but maybe now is the time where you guys have to think together about solutions for certain problems. You have even better possibilities than osu and Taiko back then. Of course, it won't be always easy and sometimes there will be for sure some dispute. But this shouldn't stop you -the community- to work for their gamemode. After all, it seems like most of you guys have some kind of same goal; the improvement of this game mode, not?
- I know. It is easier to relay on one person and do nothing. In this way you can't harm yourself by doing wrong actions. But having no action will not bring you any further at all, or just make the develpoment process slower.
What you could do some may ask? Hm... it depends of your situation. You could try to find the core problem for example. But don't blame other people for it. After all it won't help you at all and makes you go all po pi po(rage), I think. Neither does "RIP mania" help. lol
But hey. It happens often that in difficulties situations, the right people / groups appear. Sooner or later.
Best luck from my site, I guess.
Actually not. It is mostly fine. Just here and there some minor bugs. The past was by far worse.Stefan wrote:
Taiko is broken as shit and no one cares.. well, let me join this group
P.s.: Really guys, don't underrestimate your community. Together you can do much more.
This. Preach it please. As a community, we should be able to do more things than one person is able to do. Easy to say, I know, but it's easier to maintain something with a group rather than alone. There will probably be a few people who can really understand the code and be able to maintain and improve it. It's not like without woc nobody has any idea what to do with mania and will just scrap it all together. Though maybe the hard part will be getting to ppy.OnosakiHito wrote:
So why rely only on one person? I'm not in the position to tell you guys what to do; neither do I know the community really well at this point. woc did on his way a great job so far, but maybe now is the time where you guys have to think together about solutions for certain problems. You have even better possibilities than osu and Taiko back then. Of course, it won't be always easy and sometimes there will be for sure some dispute. But this shouldn't stop you -the community- to work for their gamemode. After all, it seems like most of you guys have some kind of same goal; the improvement of this game mode, not?
Wow. You think the community just sat on their asses and did nothing this whole time? We throw everything we got on every turn just to get ignored. And if it weren't for peppy the 5-6 years it took taiko to develop would of been done within a year. All the fighting and arguing would of been bypassed right there.OnosakiHito wrote:
Don't know guys, but I think you overtake it now.
I'm not sure what happened there between woc and ppy, and to be honest I don't want to know it. But while taiko has needed 5~6 years of community-, system- and ranking-development ( which were marked with many discussions, problems and more ), mania just had about one year which is not even comperable with the first year of taiko; a time where taiko was only a mod like Hidden or Hardrock nowadays is and where we had no rights at all. And we didn't even had a Taiko-Mode developer. All we had was us, the community. Nowadays, I can proudly say that due to our community the other gamemodes have got their benefits through it as well.
So why rely only on one person? I'm not in the position to tell you guys what to do; neither do I know the community really well at this point. woc did on his way a great job so far, but maybe now is the time where you guys have to think together about solutions for certain problems. You have even better possibilities than osu and Taiko back then. Of course, it won't be always easy and sometimes there will be for sure some dispute. But this shouldn't stop you -the community- to work for their gamemode. After all, it seems like most of you guys have some kind of same goal; the improvement of this game mode, not?
- I know. It is easier to relay on one person and do nothing. In this way you can't harm yourself by doing wrong actions. But having no action will not bring you any further at all, or just make the develpoment process slower.
What you could do some may ask? Hm... it depends of your situation. You could try to find the core problem for example. But don't blame other people for it. After all it won't help you at all and makes you go all po pi po(rage), I think. Neither does "RIP mania" help. lol
But hey. It happens often that in difficulties situations, the right people / groups appear. Sooner or later.
Best luck from my site, I guess.Actually not. It is mostly fine. Just here and there some minor bugs. The past was by far worse.Stefan wrote:
Taiko is broken as shit and no one cares.. well, let me join this group
P.s.: Really guys, don't underrestimate your community. Together you can do much more.
You're right, don't underestimate the VSRG community. We'll get what we want one way or an other. But it mostly likely won't be here.