What is Raw Input?

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DeltaBurnt

peppy wrote:

Sorry but I'm not removing the win8.1 check. You can try adjusting your windows sensitivity and sticking it on 1.0x in osu! if you'd like to use the windows setting.
Could you at least let us change the sensitivity through the config file without it automatically turning on raw input? I realize the check will stop a lot of people on 8.1 from whining about mouse issues, but this really hurts how I (and other people) play in a very big way.
JOELwindows7
No problem. this is for Not-Supporting Mouse Operating System, Thought that the other's that not support mouse will can't move mouse correctly. :D

But somehow, I don't really like it. or maybe because need some adaptation

Known Windows 8.1 had an issues with a Mouse, Still a fortunate I was unable to raise up from 8 Pro :!:
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peppy

RemiFlan wrote:

peppy wrote:

Sorry but I'm not removing the win8.1 check. You can try adjusting your windows sensitivity and sticking it on 1.0x in osu! if you'd like to use the windows setting.
Kind of sucks, because I've had a harder time playing 1.2x with raw input than 1.2x without it for some reason. Just feels slower to me.

I have win8.1 so I'm forced raw input with 1.2x. Adjusting my sensitivity through control panel doesn't help much either =/
If you adjust it in control panel, you HAVE TO USE 1.0x. else it will not be applied to osu! anymore.

Yamadash wrote:

"use unlimited and pay the extra power bill."
I don't really think it makes that much of a difference.
Looking at CPU alone:

Idle: 12w
osu! 60fps: 13.5w
osu! unlimited: 38w

Now consider the GPU draws 2-10x as much as the cpu. Add it together and work out the cost savings in your local currency (look up rate of electricity per kWh). I guarantee it will be over a dollar a day for heavy users.
JoyceSn
No. Latencies for 3-8ms are not perceivable by humans. If you believe you need 1ms then use unlimited and pay the extra power bill.

it can still make a difference on High latency IPS monitors, some monitors of those are 20ish ms latency, chose 26ms or 20, it can make the difference in making it feel natural.
RaikireHiuduo
Unrelated question:
Is "osu!mania layout" replaced by "Raw Input" toggle temporary or permanently (much like the Combo Fire taken by Storyboard toggle)?

Can somebody delete my bug report? :?
SanicHegehog
Does this fix mouse acceleration from all sources? Sensors such as the Avago 9800 are known to have around (plus or minus)5% acceleration - a mouse with this sensor without acceleration has yet to be seen. As far as I know, this raw input thing shouldn't be able to fix this, but some people that I am in contact with feel as if acceleration has been completely fixed for them. They use the g500, which is known to have some acceleration.
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peppy
i use a g500 and no it does not have any acceleration at a secnsor level.
SanicHegehog

peppy wrote:

i use a g500 and no it does not have any acceleration at a secnsor level.
Strange.

Do you have any tests with which to back this up with? I'm asking for peace of mind; I've only ever heard of the mouse having slight acceleration before.
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peppy
I just tested on my mouse pad using raw input around 20 times with different velocity movements and could not produce any kind of acceleration effects.
bRaNdOn_WaPo

peppy wrote:

Raw input allows osu! to read mouse/tablet values directly from the hardware, without any post-processing. As a result, it can bypas windows bugs and acceleration algorithms. It can also allow for tablet sensitivity adjustment without setting a custom tablet area mapping at driver-level.

Why did you even bother adding this? Input was fine already.

It fixes an issue with Windows 8.1 where mouse sensitivities other than 1.0x not working correctly.

Should I use raw input?

Try it and see if you like it. Some users will still prefer leaving it off if they enjoy windows mouse acceleration (known as "Enhance Precision" in newer windows versions).

Why doesn't it work with Wacom tablets?

Wacom tablets use proprietary drivers, which don't conform to hardware standards. I may look at adding support for them later.

My latency is more than 1ms. Add a new fps limiter option to make it 1ms without being unlimited.

No. Latencies for 3-8ms are not perceivable by humans. If you believe you need 1ms then use unlimited and pay the extra power bill.
marshallracer
I don't know, I'm somewhat happy about Raw Input.
Despite fixing a bug with my tablet where I could only access an area on my screen the size of the osu! window (1024x768 from top left with 1280x1024 as desktop resolution, so if the window was in the middle about 1/4 or so of it weren't accessible), movement now feels more direct and the cursor isn't drifting away anymore.

Tablet is a Slimline Design Tablet (TB-5300) used under Windows 7.
SanicHegehog

peppy wrote:

I just tested on my mouse pad using raw input around 20 times with different velocity movements and could not produce any kind of acceleration effects.
Do you experience acceleration outside of osu?

If possible, could you explain how acceleration is removed with raw input enabled? I know it's supposed to allow reading mouse values directly from the hardware, but as the sensor itself is a piece of hardware, I'm rather confused as to how acceleration is ignored, as small as it may be on certain mice.
opnmind
Well I don't know about w8.1 (still using XP in my toaster) but it felt really strange, more inaccurate, I used to use a mouse sensitivity of 4.0, I tried adjusting it but it still felt kinda off, so I deactivate the 'enhance pointer precision' on the windows control panel, and activate the Raw Input in the game, and voila, just as it was... It gave me quite a headache though...
opnmind

opnmind wrote:

Well I don't know about w8.1 (still using XP in my toaster) but it felt really strange, more inaccurate, I used to use a mouse sensitivity of 4.0, I tried adjusting it but it still felt kinda off, so I deactivate the 'enhance pointer precision' on the windows control panel, and activate the Raw Input in the game, and voila, just as it was... It gave me quite a headache though...
I take that back...
marshallracer

marshallracer wrote:

I don't know, I'm somewhat happy about Raw Input.
Despite fixing a bug with my tablet where I could only access an area on my screen the size of the osu! window (1024x768 from top left with 1280x1024 as desktop resolution, so if the window was in the middle about 1/4 or so of it weren't accessible), movement now feels more direct and the cursor isn't drifting away anymore.

Tablet is a Slimline Design Tablet (TB-5300) used under Windows 7.
nvm, bug is still there, I should report it I can deal with it
still the movement itself has improved
SanicHegehog

SanicHegehog wrote:

peppy wrote:

I just tested on my mouse pad using raw input around 20 times with different velocity movements and could not produce any kind of acceleration effects.
Do you experience acceleration outside of osu?

If possible, could you explain how acceleration is removed with raw input enabled? I know it's supposed to allow reading mouse values directly from the hardware, but as the sensor itself is a piece of hardware, I'm rather confused as to how acceleration is ignored, as small as it may be on certain mice.
TakuMii
To follow up with SanicHegehog's question: What DPI do you use? Mouse acceleration becomes more and more difficult to detect the higher it is.
dennischan
Raw input saved my life. Thank you peppy.
noneed
Thank you so much for this, peppy!

Quit osu! some time ago because I kept getting annoying mouse bugs and this option solved it!
loldcraft
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SanicHegehog wrote:

Does this fix mouse acceleration from all sources? Sensors such as the Avago 9800 are known to have around (plus or minus)5% acceleration - a mouse with this sensor without acceleration has yet to be seen. As far as I know, this raw input thing shouldn't be able to fix this, but some people that I am in contact with feel as if acceleration has been completely fixed for them. They use the g500, which is known to have some acceleration.
there is no way for software to know if the hardware is causing the acceleration (obviously)

this software will detect software based accel tho (taken from MarkC mouse accel fix package)
http://puu.sh/7O82y.zip

dont let your cursor touch the edges of the screen when you're testing else it will mess up the results
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