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Why you aren't improving at osu! "HOW DO I GET BETTER?!?!"

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DahplA
Should I try to spend time doing few maps that I know are challenging or invest more time finding more maps?
Edit: I guess I was such a fool to ever think this would be easy...But at least it can only get better, more challenging and more fun.
Andersfc

DahplA wrote:

Should I try to spend time doing few maps that I know are challenging or invest more time finding more maps?
Find more maps and try the new maps on easiest->hardest by playing maps on trivial difficulties, you will improve your sense of rhytm(not saying you should play easy all the time but try it now again when you get new maps)

You shouldn't try to stay on the same maps 24/7, if you do so then you will surely remember the song after like 100 replays, but as Layne said, if you play different maps you will learn more patterns and you will have an easier time dealing with them in other beatmaps.
DahplA

Andersfc wrote:

DahplA wrote:

Should I try to spend time doing few maps that I know are challenging or invest more time finding more maps?
Find more maps and try the new maps on easiest->hardest by playing maps on trivial difficulties, you will improve your sense of rhytm(not saying you should play easy all the time but try it now again when you get new maps)

You shouldn't try to stay on the same maps 24/7, if you do so then you will surely remember the song after like 100 replays, but as Layne said, if you play different maps you will learn more patterns and you will have an easier time dealing with them in other beatmaps.
Thanks. I've been spending my time trying to find maps that are around 4.0 - 4.5 stars ranking and trying them out. I've discovered that around this level, S ranks are much harder, which is nice. It brings more of a challenge.

Just another problem I have here. When I stream, it's very random. I sometimes either do the whole stream with 1 or 2 100's but other times, I am completely off rhythm and end up getting at least 3 50's. Are there any tips I can get (other than practice, I know that much) to help me. I paying attention to the approach circles helps a lot and makes me more accurate.
Mizuno Yui
Streams are a bitch :D I'm still struggling with them, and a couple of things that seemed to help were these:

1) playing with speakers instead of headphones - hearing the sound of keys helped me notice I was off
2) spending some time playing those stream practice maps and staring at the hit error bar
3) not being so nervous and starting the stream too early
4) repeating the map long enough I memorize the song/melody/all that fancy music stuff
DahplA
Figured out why I couldn't stream well. I wasn't hitting them fast enough, although this doesn't apply to slower maps.
Syhon
so recently I started adopting to a new playstyle - Lifting my pinky when playing fast maps/or streaming. initially I thought my speed would come more naturally with that but as it became habitual I tend to "freeze up" alot more during transitions. (as in, fast singles to streams, or fast singles to fast triples) It might be because I never have really single tapped much besides fast jumps in my past osu experience, and i don't know whether or not this is a good practice or not. I gain more control when I hold down my pinky, but I lose out on too much speed and accuracy and it was became extremely aggravating for me since I feel like I'm playing below the skill level I used to play at.
Hell
What I've found is that as long as you're tapping with your keyboard, there are better ways to play, but most of us will never get to the level of skill that it matters. Yeah, tablet is easier than mouse, but if you don't have fun with a tablet, then why use it?

The way you get better at Osu is just by playing a lot, and the way to play the most is to have fun with it. You don't get better if you aren't having fun.

My friend tried to get me to just keep on AR 10 + maps all the time, but I wasn't having fun. I dedicated to it for about a week but I stopped playing slowly. I found out that if I stick to AR9-AR10 maps it is a lot more enjoyable for me, and that means I play more, and that means I get better faster even though I am playing 'easier' maps.
Mythras
how the are all these above 10k ranked people able to read and play ar10, and why aren't they below rank 10k if they can read ar10
Vuelo Eluko

VioletMaid wrote:

how the are all these above 10k ranked people able to read and play ar10, and why aren't they below rank 10k if they can read ar10
1. there's not many ranked ar10 maps, and the ones that are are pretty hard [or impossible] to get good combos on for sub 1k
2. hard rock sucks for pp

being able to read and play ar10 isnt that important in this ranking system really, and most of the people sub 10k who train ar10 get less accurate at lower AR's and hard rock OD and their ranks hurt even more from it.
Mythras

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

VioletMaid wrote:

how the are all these above 10k ranked people able to read and play ar10, and why aren't they below rank 10k if they can read ar10
1. there's not many ranked ar10 maps, and the ones that are are pretty hard [or impossible] to get good combos on for sub 1k
2. hard rock sucks for pp

being able to read and play ar10 isnt that important in this ranking system really, and most of the people sub 10k who train ar10 get less accurate at lower AR's and hard rock OD and their ranks hurt even more from it.
makes sense, why not train/practice other things than ar10 then if they won't be able to play any of the ranked maps for a long time?
GoldenWolf
Most of them are just having fun playing AR10
Some are just retarded and think AR10 is the key to be a pro, so they play that all day and then months later they realize they were all wrong, so they proceed to spend months trying to get some reading skills and they struggle a ton because they're too used to AR10

The latter is totally not me
I Give Up
Although in my case it really is the equipment. My keyboard is about to give out soon, I can feel it. The Shift, Z, and Q key are giving out with the shift key being near dead. I've since moved my tapping keys around eventually making way to numpad 1 and 2. Do not buy a rapoo E1050 they will bleed your fingers and don't last long.

I haven't bought a replacement yet because I'm saving up for a mechanical one. Too bad they're so darn expensive, it'll take me a while before I get one. I'm so bad at saving up lol.
Ulqui21
To be honest, I find it easier to use a tablet compared to the mouse. Well, that's just me.
Layne_old_1
I did too.You use a pencil more than you use a mouse because of school.
Micka
lol someone ss the big black
MusclesJohnny
Any maps that will give a lot of pp?
Gigo
Go see what the top 10 players' best performances are and play those maps. They will give you a lot of pp.

(sigh) This forum needs a Kappa emoticon.
GoldenWolf

Gigo wrote:

(sigh) This forum needs a Kappa emoticon.
Please no.
TsunLemon
The snap thing is probably the only thing I didn't know from what I read here, and yet, been a crappy player for over 2 years now. :/
I wish there was an easy way to control my nerves so that I stop tensing up. *sigh*
Rise_old_1
This is quite helpful, thanks for the post :)
koki_old_1
to all of you seek skill
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
buny

lovu wrote:

to all of you seek skill
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
move to korea and go to cookiezis house
Everwhite

buny wrote:

lovu wrote:

to all of you seek skill
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
move to korea and go to cookiezis house
Agreed c:
Gumpy
Just become a korean you will become pro in moments.
Toadsworth
It may have been mentioned previous, but rrtyui doesn't snap to notes and he is by far the best player in osu! currently (pp doesn't prove skill for all those about to say that sayo is better)
f i z i k

DatPenguinTho wrote:

It may have been mentioned previous, but rrtyui doesn't snap to notes and he is by far the best player in osu! currently (pp doesn't prove skill for all those about to say that sayo is better)
sayo is better

edit:/ proven by pp
edit2:/ ofcourse he snaps but sayo is still better,proven by pp
Toadsworth

f i z i k wrote:

DatPenguinTho wrote:

It may have been mentioned previous, but rrtyui doesn't snap to notes and he is by far the best player in osu! currently (pp doesn't prove skill for all those about to say that sayo is better)
sayo is better

edit:/ proven by pp
edit2:/ ofcourse he snaps but sayo is still better,proven by pp
Go watch rrtyui's Rainbow After Snow replay, he doesn't snap enough for most people to think he is snapping.

Sayo is not better, he even says that himself. Plus, pp does not prove anything as look at HappyStick, he is amazing at the game yet he is below people he is better than.
Korakov
How surprisingly, it really happened to me.
aro-no-baka
want to say its a bull#$*( in fact every1 can start playing ar 9 maps but it you stay at this point etc me for like month and you have tryhard for real to complete a map in fullcombo( if you are korean) it is worthless, to be honest i have seen my improve to ar 9 but it ended up, however i keep playing this game and just started looking for threads like this one. Dunno why but i feel like my skill ended up, even after following ur tips cant do s%&*.
timemon
I would probably go with the ladder.
got it
when you see long streams, you prepare the ladder.
thx m8 doing stream never been this easy!
913037353
This really helped :D thank you so much!
SomeGuy_old_1
Does anybody srs need this huge of a guide? This is a game where you press a circle and after that you press another one and maybe hold it few times and spin it once or twice its as basic as it gets. Why would you need a guide for it. Only thing that you need to do is consistently play. That's only useful tip you can give. Everyone who complains "I am not improving" is mostly 1st day player or just fat arses who can't be bothered to actually play the game so they just complain. That's my take on this.
Vuelo Eluko

SomeGuy147 wrote:

Does anybody srs need this huge of a guide? This is a game where you press a circle and after that you press another one and maybe hold it few times and spin it once or twice its as basic as it gets. Why would you need a guide for it. Only thing that you need to do is consistently play. That's only useful tip you can give. Everyone who complains "I am not improving" is mostly 1st day player or just fat arses who can't be bothered to actually play the game so they just complain. That's my take on this.
you havent played long enough to hit any walls in your progress yet but trust me they happen and they're demoralizing when they do. don't just blindly judge everyone. i wanted to quit a few months ago when i spent about 3000-4000 plays getting no better even just playing stuff i couldn't do well on but i pushed past it and started slowly improving again. just that progress wall was nearly 10 times more plays than you even have total... so yeah it can wear on the mind. i was logging in every day and getting consistently lower scores on my local rankings than my previous ones on songs i already played. nonstop. for nearly 2 months.
SomeGuy_old_1

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

SomeGuy147 wrote:

Does anybody srs need this huge of a guide? This is a game where you press a circle and after that you press another one and maybe hold it few times and spin it once or twice its as basic as it gets. Why would you need a guide for it. Only thing that you need to do is consistently play. That's only useful tip you can give. Everyone who complains "I am not improving" is mostly 1st day player or just fat arses who can't be bothered to actually play the game so they just complain. That's my take on this.
you havent played long enough to hit any walls in your progress yet but trust me they happen and they're demoralizing when they do. don't just blindly judge everyone. i wanted to quit a few months ago when i spent about 3000-4000 plays getting no better even just playing stuff i couldn't do well on but i pushed past it and started slowly improving again. just that progress wall was nearly 10 times more plays than you even have total... so yeah it can wear on the mind. i was logging in every day and getting consistently lower scores on my local rankings than my previous ones on songs i already played. nonstop. for nearly 2 months.
Yeah, but you like look at Dota2 or TF2 or cs go where people hit really big progress walls which makes them quit the game because of complicated tactics or too big pressure a lot of times and here people need guides with a game that is as basic as it can get. Why would you even play this if you don't enjoy it in the first place :shock:
Vuelo Eluko
its simple but by no means easy. its hard to explain and you probably wouldnt understand it anyway you just need to play more and see for yourself.
Amphetamine

SomeGuy147 wrote:

Does anybody srs need this huge of a guide? This is a game where you press a circle and after that you press another one and maybe hold it few times and spin it once or twice its as basic as it gets. Why would you need a guide for it. Only thing that you need to do is consistently play. That's only useful tip you can give. Everyone who complains "I am not improving" is mostly 1st day player or just fat arses who can't be bothered to actually play the game so they just complain. That's my take on this.
Yeah, but you like look at Dota2 or TF2 or cs go where people hit really big progress walls which makes them quit the game because of complicated tactics or too big pressure a lot of times and here people need guides with a game that is as basic as it can get. Why would you even play this if you don't enjoy it in the first place :shock:
Hmm... where do i start here... Well let me just say that I can somewhat see where you're coming from someguy the concept of the game is fairly simplistic I mean you don't have to be a genius to play osu! but let me also say that if you simplify things that much, then of course, you could make anything look pretty friggin easy. Oh Dota2 capture other teams side pick up a few items get some skills learn some strategies simply by playing. See what i mean? I believe Dota2 is probably a fairly hard game (reason being why I'll never play it) but osu! and Dota2 are both difficult just in different ways. Dota2 requires more mental reasoning and planning and strategizing. osu! is probably more taxing physically requiring you to use your hands repetitively, build up muscle memory, It's also fairly taxing mentally having to have patience, learning how to read maps and patterns, learning how to not smash your computer into a million pieces when you keep missing the same thing over and over etuhcuh(etc.).

Now I'm not gonna make this an "osu! IS HARDER THAN DOTA2" comment because first off that's not what the point is, and second I've never played Dota2 (thank god). The thing with the games you listed is that there is (for the most part) a clear and precise way to improve primarily through mental processing. If you had the ability to memorize every strategy, you could probably do just fine in the game granted you didn't have issues clicking buttons, in which case, why are you using a computer in the first place? The thing about osu! is that there really is no one surefire set way to get better in fact there's so many different ways you could improve that trying to create a one best way method would be completely pointless. You have to take it upon yourself to go in and find your own way to learn, first hand, thrown into the deep end.

Sure you could say that "OH well if that's the case just go in and play harder songs get better" and state it as simple as that if you wanted, and if you did, I'd believe you should reconsider. The thing is that playing songs to improve itself becomes the issue most of the time because of a few small things. You seem to have missed the fact that you can practice something for hours and never get much closer to actually doing it correctly. Maybe you're playing a map and you constantly get a combo break on a slider and can't figure out why, or maybe, you always seem to miss a stream that you know you are fast enough to be able to do. That is what i like to call hitting a wall. Most of the time we hit that wall because we are either:
A) Not skilled enough
or
B) We haven't really been playing correctly in the first place

Now the thing about this is that you can go quite a looooong time without ever realizing you were doing something wrong in the first place. Not following sliders all the way through leads to slider breaks. "NO I SWEAR I'M DOING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH" Then if you look back at your replays on half time you'd probably be surprised at just how much osu! allows you to be wrong and still counts it as being done correctly. The only problem with that is when you play more difficult songs those sliders are a lot more unforgiving and your combo breaks but you don't realize why because you've been doing the same thing you've always been doing and it has never steered you wrong before. That's the real issue.

Why does someone need a guide for a game like osu!... I would say it's because of the fact that it seems so easy. The first time i watched someone playing osu i thought "Oh yeah that's easy could do it no problem SS every song" but when i actually played it i realized i had no idea what the double F*@#$ I was doing. Not only that, I also had no idea what i was doing wrong because in my head I was doing everything perfectly only to finish an easy song with a 75% thinking that someone in the world of osu! was out to get me... Okay I wasn't that paranoid...(or was I?!?!... I kind of was) The point is that a lot of times you're doing things incorrectly that you think you're doing correctly so how exactly are you supposed to ever figure out how to fix something if you don't know what the problem is in the first place? You start at the basics, however, if you never grasp the basics in the first place then how are you supposed to know where the hell to start? You look for advice from outside sources. If these outside sources simply say "PLAY MORE PRACTICE GET NOMNOMS GAMEOVER" then how is that ever going to help you at all? Well, they're probably not.

I'm not going to make the assumption that you haven't hit any walls yet, maybe you have and like to figure things out for yourself, hell, I don't know your life story. With that being said you should show others that same respect. Don't assume that because somebody uses others for references on how to improve it's because they're lazy or just aren't trying hard enough. Usually it's the people who try extremely hard and still fail who look for outside sources because the, as you stated, "fat arses" would have probably just given up entirely.

TL;DR version: None. I didn't write that much for my own health. If I could've found the words to shorten it don't you think I would've just done that in the first place?
CRTY
Haha, so true, and I love the humour indicated in this. I belive this is the first time I've read something this long on the internet. Well done sir.
Antares
Well..

I starded playing some month ago with a good mouse and a random logitech keyboard. I used to play alternating.

Went for a tablet and serious kb with reds 3 weeks ago and played a bit. My aim went on par with mouse after a few days, but my tapping felt weird, so i started to play mostly singletapping (mostly due to the many threads on the forums which say "it's easier, it's better, instacookiezi 900bpm").

In addition, during this transition to new equip i had to move and buy new chair and desk.


Since the switch not only i've not seen any improvement, but i'm slowly getting worse, i don't even know if that's possible.
Right now i'm rotating beetween 15-20 maps i like and i think that's a major issue.

What i'm supposed to do now?
I'm the kind of guy who plays a map over and over 'till fc, is this a bad thing if you want to improve?
What kind of maps should i play? My streaming is dumb over 150 bpm, even if i'm decent at jumping i often break sliders and miss the random easy parts :(

I'm depressed ~_~
Vuelo Eluko

Antares wrote:

"it's easier, it's better, instacookiezi 900bpm").
its funny that even the claims of "300 bpm streaming" when people say you'll be cookiezi are purely ironic. Cookiezi was terrible at high bpm streams. We have people now that can stream faster than cookie easily like happystick. It was his only real weakness though.


play more get used to the switch. you made a pretty big one to be sure. 15-20 maps isnt enough to transition properly imo. turn on snaking sliders, if ind thats better for doing/reading sliders, random missing easy parts is a fact of life.
Sharkie
Going to completely ignore the conversation up ^there.
I agree with everything, I like to impress people, but not all the time.
I think the key, not just to osu, but to basically a lot of other things, is moderation.
One word that literally solves everything.
Just my opinion, though. (Even though I don't follow it myself)
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