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Why you aren't improving at osu! "HOW DO I GET BETTER?!?!"

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Taadashi
The truth has been unveiled. :p
Acme Deizd Void
Its gonna took awhile for me to finish this wall of text Xd generally what ur saying is really true though *thumb up*

and btw 10/10 for the MISCELLANEOUS + REASONS :>
Cubex
How to get better at circle_clicker.exe? :^(
Blueprint
Question to everybody do you believe accuracy is an essential skill and it is a must, there is a difference between mashing & trying here's 1 of my worst FC in terms of accuracy http://puu.sh/8RTTC.osr I will admit to mashing at the very end. I get good accuracy when a map is easy for me (map doesn't do anything for me) I get PP.

I have trouble deciphering actual difficulty to me difficulty is either to fast (leading to spam) or to awkward to aim, I just fail to folow the logic of a map being to hard because you can't score a certain accuracy star ratings suck to
lazyrifi
LOL rrtyui got SS in The Big Black, time to update the post :)
mcdoomfrag

Blueprint wrote:

I have trouble deciphering actual difficulty to me difficulty is either to fast (leading to spam) or to awkward to aim, I just fail to folow the logic of a map being to hard because you can't score a certain accuracy star ratings suck to
What would be the point of a ranking system in a RHYTHM game, if it rewards people even when they get shitty accuracy? Being good at this game, isn't simply about flailing your cursor around and mashing when prompted to, it's about being able to understand the beat and structure of the song and being able to keep up with it.
Naywils
This is very true.
Me myself just play until something feels slow then step it up, I guess that's not for everyone though
Blueprint
I can't really make sense of what I was trying to ask but I guess It irritates me that I can score 97+ on a map but miss with no reward yes it is a rhythm game but it's still about hitting circles
mcdoomfrag

Blueprint wrote:

I can't really make sense of what I was trying to ask
I spent around 15 minutes trying to decipher it, but I'm still not sure if I understood....
GoldenWolf

Blueprint wrote:

I can't really make sense of what I was trying to ask but I guess It irritates me that I can score 97+ on a map but miss with no reward yes it is a rhythm game but it's still about hitting circles
Didn't you contradict yourself here? Or am I not understanding your point?
Blueprint

GoldenWolf wrote:

Blueprint wrote:

I can't really make sense of what I was trying to ask but I guess It irritates me that I can score 97+ on a map but miss with no reward yes it is a rhythm game but it's still about hitting circles
Didn't you contradict yourself here? Or am I not understanding your point?
Probably I'm dumb like that
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ScarletStory

lazyrifi wrote:

LOL rrtyui got SS in The Big Black, time to update the post :)
I believe a lot of people overlooked the fact that I said "on the first day they ever played osu"...
TrinitehFoarse

ScarletStory wrote:

lazyrifi wrote:

LOL rrtyui got SS in The Big Black, time to update the post :)
I believe a lot of people overlooked the fact that I said "on the first day they ever played osu"...
Yes.
theLiminator
lol i think i'm rhythmically retarded. I score much worse using auto pilot than I do playing kb+mouse. Also, using relaxed mod, I can breeze through songs I have no hope of passing when I tap. I just suck so much at tapping, that's probably why my accuracy sucks so much too..
DahplA
I'm stuck at the point of Hard <-> Insane where Hard maps are kinda slow, and Insane just...I cannot even. People will say "practice makes perfect" but I cannot practice maps I cannot even complete. Can someone help me? I don't know where to begin and after reading these tips, it just makes me realise how far I am behind instead of actually guiding me.
SanicHegehog

theLiminator wrote:

lol i think i'm rhythmically retarded. I score much worse using auto pilot than I do playing kb+mouse. Also, using relaxed mod, I can breeze through songs I have no hope of passing when I tap. I just such so much at tapping, that's probably why my accuracy sucks so much too..
This is normal.
Blueprint

DahplA wrote:

I'm stuck at the point of Hard <-> Insane where Hard maps are kinda slow, and Insane just...I cannot even. People will say "practice makes perfect" but I cannot practice maps I cannot even complete. Can someone help me? I don't know where to begin and after reading these tips, it just makes me realise how far I am behind instead of actually guiding me.
I find hard's harder than ar 8 anime insane songs I hope I helped :)
buny

DahplA wrote:

I'm stuck at the point of Hard <-> Insane where Hard maps are kinda slow, and Insane just...I cannot even. People will say "practice makes perfect" but I cannot practice maps I cannot even complete. Can someone help me? I don't know where to begin and after reading these tips, it just makes me realise how far I am behind instead of actually guiding me.
There are a LOT of maps, I highly doubt all maps suit the dilemma you described...Try downloading map packs, and also try dt on easier (Hard) difficulties as they tend to make an easy insane.
D3S
Really good guide, some helpfull tips in here too :)
Finally got myself under #70k thanks to this, which is good for me imo.

Keep up the good work! :)
Insyni
Regarding snapping, what is the best way to get into a habit of snapping well. Right now I have a really bad habit of hitting edges of notes/ sliders making me lose combos.

I'm not quite sure how to fix the issue. Playing insanes only seems to make the issue worse, yet people say that playing insanes are the only way to learn snapping.
CPTW

ScarletStory wrote:

MISCELLANEOUS (non-playing related) REASONS (warning may contain demoralising content)
1.you should let skill come to you and you should not try to chase after skill relentlessly
My favourite game, the waiting game. (I still see myself on this game for years to come, I'll wait it out till I can pass crazy diffs)

But in all seriousness with the sarcasm aside, very true on all points and some points I didn't know(despite me playing for so long orz) but sadly most people don't even click on this thread since the "How do I get better?" threads still pop up.

DustyFfy wrote:

Regarding snapping, what is the best way to get into a habit of snapping well. Right now I have a really bad habit of hitting edges of notes/ sliders making me lose combos.

I'm not quite sure how to fix the issue. Playing insanes only seems to make the issue worse, yet people say that playing insanes are the only way to learn snapping.
I only started snapping around the start of this year but personally I went to hards/low ar insanes to practice so it gave me time to snap to a circle but also enough time between each circle to see where my cursor actually snapped to, thus showing me how inaccurate my aim was on top of it and then once I could snap on "slow" maps speed up and play smaller circle size.(Only personal experience though since practicing on faster insanes just made me slip into old habits and glide again within seconds)
AutoMedic
I feel guilty about almost everything. Slider not finishing, TABLET MASTER RACE Thoughts. And for a change, I used my abandoned osu!tablet. It wasn't worth it actually. It's hard to aim and do stuff. While on my mouse, which I have better experience with, I can do Fast Normals. I just can't stress everybody saying ,

OMG RRTYUI TABLET USAR IMA BUY TABLET 2 SO DAT I KEN BE NUMBER 1 AND FC BIG BLAK FOX

What actually happens after they bought the tablet

ERMEGHERD THIS PIECE OF S**T METAL DOESEN'T WORK WHAT A SCAM I HATE OSU HURR-HURR and similar stuff

I'll rate this thread for about 10/10. It's humorous, and best of all, It's the most important things all osu players must know
DeletedUser_4041880

Sonatora wrote:

I feel guilty about almost everything. Slider not finishing, TABLET MASTER RACE Thoughts. And for a change, I used my abandoned osu!tablet. It wasn't worth it actually. It's hard to aim and do stuff. While on my mouse, which I have better experience with, I can do Fast Normals. I just can't stress everybody saying ,

OMG RRTYUI TABLET USAR IMA BUY TABLET 2 SO DAT I KEN BE NUMBER 1 AND FC BIG BLAK FOX

What actually happens after they bought the tablet

ERMEGHERD THIS PIECE OF S**T METAL DOESEN'T WORK WHAT A SCAM I HATE OSU HURR-HURR and similar stuff

I'll rate this thread for about 10/10. It's humorous, and best of all, It's the most important things all osu players must know
You have to stick with tablet for a while before you can catch up with your current skill level on the mouse- unless you barely played standard and you're still at the newbie level.
FappyBabes
whoa you put in a lot of effort into making this. O_o
Grapheon
Edit: rrtyui actually SSed Big Black xD
Topic Starter
ScarletStory

Grapheon wrote:

Edit: rrtyui actually SSed Big Black xD

ScarletStory wrote:

lazyrifi wrote:

LOL rrtyui got SS in The Big Black, time to update the post :)
I believe a lot of people overlooked the fact that I said "on the first day they ever played osu"...
Hmm i was unaware that rrtyui started playing osu! 24 days ago... I'm seriously going to have to bold underline italicize color code and smash that statement into peoples eyes aren't I?.......
GoldenWolf

ScarletStory wrote:

I'm seriously going to have to bold underline italicize color code and smash that statement into peoples eyes aren't I?.......
Sounds like a good idea.
Topic Starter
ScarletStory

GoldenWolf wrote:

ScarletStory wrote:

I'm seriously going to have to bold underline italicize color code and smash that statement into peoples eyes aren't I?.......
Sounds like a good idea.
I thought so too haha. At the same time, however, I'm prepared to watch as it inevitably fails to get the point across anyway. :) *facepalm*
Andersfc
This "post" was freaking hilarious and really helped me point out my own flaws, I've been "half ass snapping" to stuff like slower songs and my muscles have been tense at some harder songs aswell, I'm very new to Osu, but I feel like I've learned it pretty quickly (Mouse user, keyboard for tapping)

Thanks alot though!

edited "thread", to "post" because I have OCD about it, don't judge.
Demon
This thread was very helpful , Thank you for making this and putting such a great effort into it! ;3 <3
B1rd
When I click on Scarlet's profile it says 'user not found'?
DahplA
I still don't get how I can effectively stop myself from freezing in streams. I've also noticed that, if there is a slider at the end of a stream, I will notice it and hold the key down and miss the last 3 hits which, just like it was mentioned in the text, causes me to speed up in compensation. This makes me miss even more and causes my accuracy to go down. I would like some advice regarding streaming, but if someone says "practice" I will slap them. Can't practice something I couldn't do efficiently in the first place.
GoldenWolf

DahplA wrote:

but if someone says "practice" I will slap them. Can't practice something I couldn't do efficiently in the first place.
It's the whole purpose of practicing, doing something you can't do efficiently at first to then being able to do it.
Andersfc

DahplA wrote:

practice" I will slap them. Can't practice something I couldn't do efficiently in the first place.
You need to practice, sorry to say it, but you need to practice to keep your calm in streams, don't panic, just relax and follow the 'beat' like you normally would. Practicing on keeping your calm will eventually lead you to not have those problems.

There is NO OTHER WAY but practice.
Drezi

GoldenWolf wrote:

It's the whole purpose of practicing, doing something you can't do efficiently at first to then being able to do it.
Sure that's true, but I still think it's wrong to just dismiss any request for help with "practice, nuff said".

Most people here seem to forget that HOW you practice makes all the difference. When you want to be good at playing an instrument, bad inefficient practice won't get you anywhere, it'll just lead to you forming bad habits which will stop you from being able to play more advanced stuff in the long run. Even when that's not the case, smart practice makes the learning process a lot more efficient.

Of course in osu! this knowledge isn't that readily available, still it would be more helpful for people to actually answer in detail what worked for them, how they overcame such obstacles, etc. it might just help.

I for one can't do streams too well at or over 170 and I'm having problems with shorter bursts above 200-210 too, and I can't decide if my hand position is sub-optimal for streaming (you can't really play the piano well either if you're sitting way too low, too high, or too close/too far) or it's fine and it's not hindering my practice. Tried a lot of different ways, but I just can't tell if it's actually any better and I tend to go back to the usual one. Also not sure whether I should play slow streams that i can play without tensing up and bottoming out, faster ones where I can't keep up unless I tense up a bit and press harder, short ones or longer ones etc. "Practice" is very broad.
Layne_old_1
Alright, let's be clear about this. I'm going to obnoxiously bold every single statement I find are important.
It's gonna be a long and messy post (too lazy to tidy it up once I start writing this), but try to read it from my view.

The word practice as taken from a dictionary:



If we were to put it into osu!'s context, to perform or exercise your skills in osu! would mean to commit and dedicate yourself to this game for a long period of time every day to improve or maintain one's proficiency (meaning SKILL). Most of this game is muscle memory so you probably won't lose a lot of skill if you don't play for a long period of time.

Let's break it up for the serious players (because I don't cater to casuals):

Commit and Dedicate:

To Commit and Dedicate yourself to this game is definitely the first step to improvement.
You have to be in the right mindset to be able to improve.
Don't or try not to involve your emotions while playing this game, play this game like a robot.

What this means is to play every damn map you see regardless of how bad the song may sound, but make sure it's something you can somewhat manage, difficulty-wise. (And that I'll leave it up to you to check it out for yourself, so it's pretty much trial & error).

This way, you have the habit of playing whatever you see and not what you jam to. (honestly, it's a very good habit to have.. at least for LR2/IIDX since you're able to spam all 8s/9s/10s)

Not only that, you are also presented a plethora of patterns, rhythms, and different mapping styles.

Yeah, you're gonna have to get used to it, sadly.


Long period of time everyday:

Let's face it, everyone has a busy schedule.

To me, 1-2 hours isn't going to cut it if you're looking for a serious improvement!

I know that I can't say I'm right about scheduling to play osu!, but when I played this game, I spent 10-16 hours a day (during summer only) to improve in all aspects of this game.

So I would say perhaps spend a hell load of time every day (4+ hours) and keep it that way.

Though don't prioritize osu! over social life and your work ethics. But do prioritize it over free-time if you really really wish to get better.



Now the 'I can't practice because I suck at it' part.

Alright, so the first rule to approaching this is to 'repeat with variation.'

Variation meaning repeat songs that have a similar situation in patterning, perhaps lower in difficulty.

'How do I find those types of songs that are similar in difficulty?'
Good question, I don't know. So... that comes from experience and playing many songs as I remember many different patterning in most songs I play.
I usually pull it up from memory when it comes to patterns anyways.


I won't tell you strictly 'what you should practice' and 'what not to practice' because that is all up to you to find out for yourself. Try not to ask others on what map to play. There is no 'right way to play' or the 'right maps' to play. Play them all, play all the maps you can even no matter how bad it is. I will emphasize again over and over.

SO MAKE THIS A HABIT. A habit forms once you repeat a routine for 21 days+, so dedicate to a mental plan of practising!!
DahplA
So after realising how much of an idiot I sounded like when I wrote that, I have made a resolution to just play the maps I suck at. I will just complete the maps over and over and practicing even if I do get C-D ranks, bad accuracy and so forth. Just so playing these maps become almost natural.
aizhid

B1rd wrote:

When I click on Scarlet's profile it says 'user not found'?
banned probably.
DahplA
I'm going to assume what I've done for now (and continue for days to come) was proper practicing...Where you actually do things. This "practicing" thing is going to take...a very, very, long time isn't it.
GoldenWolf
Yes, it takes a very long time to improve, and the better you get the slower any improvement becomes.
As Layne said, if you play everything, play often, play a lot you will eventually become good.
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