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Why you aren't improving at osu! "HOW DO I GET BETTER?!?!"

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ethox
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Joined August 2010
ethox
I like to think I'm correct when I describe this thread having the best OP on this subforum. The only harp I can think of is: don't make your text so negative, make use of your obvious skill in language. The content was very informative with little emphasis on opinions and more on observations. I imagine you've been sponging up pieces of advice all around during your adventures in the wonderful world of osu!

One thing I would like more highlight on (or mentioned even) is pauses in gaming in general. How to treat them, lose "rust" and get over the barrier that pauses generate. People tend to forget how training muscular and nervous systems work. Studying how a human body learns mechanically is very, maybe almost as important as psychological aspects of a self-improvement game such as this. Morale and motivation plays a huge role in a long and tedious task and often people indulge themselves in self-criticism and frustration. That is the hard part of the game, which you as a gamer and a person have to find out by yourself.
Gigo
266 posts
Joined March 2013
Gigo
Now that we have this AND jesse's thread (both stickied), can all other "Give me advice on how to get better" type of threads be locked immediately in the future?
AmaiHachimitsu
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Joined May 2011
AmaiHachimitsu
I think there're dozens of things that could be added, tips containing some techniques like mouse grip, hand position. You could even find some various philosophies concerning the topic of how to play better and better.
Gigo
266 posts
Joined March 2013
Gigo
You have a point Amai-san. And seeing as how you are one of the best mouse users in osu, do you mind writing a paragraph about the advantages and disadvantages of different mouse grips? If you can't/don't wanna do it, I would ask some other pro mouse player to write one. Then the author of this thread can add it to the opening post (or jesse can add it to his thread, doesn't matter).
AmaiHachimitsu
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AmaiHachimitsu
Kriers would be perfect for this, he has more knowledge than I do. The thing is whether he would want to write it.
Defacer
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Defacer
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Ven
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Joined August 2013
Ven
well shit

is it bad that this is all true for me
- Marco -
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Joined December 2011
- Marco -
Instead of

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Illkryn
269 posts
Joined November 2012
Illkryn
My beard approves of this thread
jesse1412
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Joined January 2010
jesse1412

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

I think there're dozens of things that could be added, tips containing some techniques like mouse grip, hand position. You could even find some various philosophies concerning the topic of how to play better and better.
I'll post any good stuff people send me in my thread. (I'd also be happy to merge my thread with thuis one or vice-versa.)
nyrox
76 posts
Joined July 2013
nyrox

ScarletStory wrote:

Much thanks to sarasseo for supplying me with a format that doesn't kill your eyes and marcostudios for explaining how to make boxes that don't look weird.Of course a gigantic thanks to the people who are showing support/supplying constructive criticism it is extremely helpful and very much appreciated.
ok, not even the first person to say box=, didn't even say it twice.
monomosc
52 posts
Joined January 2013
monomosc
I've been playing osu! for a little more than a year now, I've never had fun except when I did something better than my friends or myself. Friend ranking is my bible.

Same goes with starcraft2, I don't like the game but tried really hard until I was better than all the people I know personally.

I don't think that is a "wrong reason" to play the game.
ScarletStory
Topic Starter
ScarletStory

monomosc wrote:

I've been playing osu! for a little more than a year now, I've never had fun except when I did something better than my friends or myself. Friend ranking is my bible.

Same goes with starcraft2, I don't like the game but tried really hard until I was better than all the people I know personally.

I don't think that is a "wrong reason" to play the game.
If you have fun by outranking your friends and enveloping yourself in a competitive environment that's not a wrong reason to play, because you're having fun. What i mean is essentially playing for absolutely no reason other than to get better while having no fun. Of course one could argue that getting better at osu! is what makes it fun in the first place and that's completely fine I have no arguments what-so-ever in someone doing that. The point is you found something that made osu! fun and you worked for it. What I mean about playing for the wrong reasons is more along the lines of not enjoying playing at all to the point where you are doing it without even wanting to. I feel like wanting to improve that bad is a wrong reason to play. Of course, that is subjective, but I think that if you don't love doing something then you just... shouldn't do it, if that makes sense.
OzzyOzrock
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Joined August 2010
OzzyOzrock
This is a pretty great thread, informative and humorous. I like that.

Ekaru wrote:

bewaredrev wrote:

I actually did get an ss on Scarlet Rose on the first day but it was in offline mode in a multiplayer match so the replay didn't save :\
hey me too i think it's a bug riot pls fix
Wishy
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Joined September 2010
Wishy
I agree that having this and jesse's thread every other post asking dumb stuff about getting better should be instant locked.

This thread should be translated to every possible language, especially morse code it's very important so the enemy spies won't get it.
Yano
191 posts
Joined November 2012
Yano

Wishy wrote:

I agree that having this and jesse's thread every other post asking dumb stuff about getting better should be instant locked.

This thread should be translated to every possible language, especially morse code it's very important so the enemy spies won't get it.
It would be nice if a Person would translate the Thread and post it in the language specific forum.

And ye ppl don't read sticky threads ._.
Wishy
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Wishy
Hey [any mod], have you thought about cleaning up the sticky threads? There are a lot and many are either useless or could be moved to another sub-forum.

All the torrents/map list/etc threads should be on... well the beatmaps section, there is one beginners training which is SIX years old why is it even here, the Wacom guide is "ok" but tbh it shouldn't be there, only reason it's ok is because people don't really read other sub-forums because everything of general interest has always been thrown her altogether. :p
impulse-
34 posts
Joined September 2013
impulse-
To remove my hitsounds completly helped me quite a bit, even though i am not anywhere near #1, i still see massive improvements, not from day to day, but when i take a replay from 2 months ago i can see a huge diffrence, even though it may not show every day, you are improving.

Also after i removed my hitsounds, i started enjoying the game more.

So therefore i will thank you a lot of taking your time into writing this thread
Skriggniichan
Skriggniichan
All of it is so true, much applause. Too bad I'll forever have terrible accuracy and aim. My senpai will never notice me at this rate ; ;
Legxis
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Joined May 2013
Legxis

ScarletStory wrote:

(the hit error indicator shows up as a little rectangle that appears at the bottom of the screen). Blue is good, green is meh, orange is wtf are you doing?

ScarletStory wrote:

Sure you may be able to get the first one maybe even two but as more squares appear those few milliseconds you lost begin adding up and you begin to lag behind and therefore you either A. begin moving into the 100's and eventually 50's. or B. You start going in circles (literally you begin to make circles with your cursor as you get more confused) I cannot stress the importance of snapping to notes. It is probably the most basic necessity in order to complete jumps.

ScarletStory wrote:

In all seriousness though you move through slider 1 slowly then you have to quickly jump all the way to slider 2 and slow down again in order to match the speed of the slider which is difficult, however if you practice this (AS WELL AS PRACTICING FOLLOWING ALL SLIDERS CORRECTLY 100% THROUGH) it will teach you how to have better control over your pen and it will increase your speed in general because you will be more aware of where your cursors going and what movements you need to make in order to get it there without even needing to think about it.

ScarletStory wrote:

Both mice and tablets have their advantages and disadvantages but don't get tricked into believing that either one will require less effort on your part. Let me stress that I'm not in any way trying to talk down tablets mice or mechanical keyboards. What I'm trying to do save you the frustration of getting one thinking you'll be 20 times better only to realize you're still going to need to spend time in order to improve.
So much this. Yes.

And to all people who'd like to improve and seem to hit a wall: It's most likely because you don't have enough maps.
The definition of difficulties varies a lot and there are tons of different mapping styles out there.
So for instance, while you may S some Hards, there will be other Hards you can't even pass. If you play more songs, you'll naturally get better. Don't try to force it. Just come back to that difficult song later and you'll see that it's much easier.
Autism-kun
21 posts
Joined September 2012
Autism-kun
Great post, lots of truth, but i'll add something about what you call "muscle memory"

What ethox said
People tend to forget how training muscular and nervous systems work. Studying how a human body learns mechanically is very, maybe almost as important as psychological aspects of a self-improvement game such as this.
is very true. Knowing how neuromuscular training works is a big help to become good at stuff.


Lots of people are aware of this "muscle memory" thing, without truly understanding it. Those who play instruments are probably the most affected by it. "Do this legato exercise everyday and eventually you'll be able to shred like Eric Johnson".

This is due to a phenomenon called neuroplasticity. Basically, if you work on something intensely (by pushing your limits every time) and on a regular basis (3 times a week at least), your brain and nervous system will actually change in order to make you better at what you do. New connection will be formed between the most solicited neurons in your brain and your nervous system will strengthen the connections with the muscles you use.

If you played the guitar for 20 years, you can hear yourself say stuff like "This F chord is so easy, why can't you do it you scrub" to a beginner, but you have to remember that you are literally made to do that F chord. You made yourself that way through training. It's the same with games, you made your brain to be able to see ar10 notes coming, you made yourself able to stream super fast through training. So train by pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone, and slowly make those hostile 80% accuracy songs feel like the tutorial.
Xyrax Alaria
93 posts
Joined November 2013
Xyrax Alaria

bewaredrev wrote:

I actually did get an ss on Scarlet Rose on the first day but it was in offline mode in a multiplayer match so the replay didn't save :\
Did this with Big Black. Never been able to clear it since :/
Hikaru [ NZ ]
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Hikaru [ NZ ]
what if impressing others and wanting to improve at the game, is what makes me play more and is what brings me fun? (i also play for the cool songs ^0^)
tokaku
275 posts
Joined May 2013
tokaku

Hikaru [ NZ ] wrote:

what if impressing others and wanting to improve at the game, is what makes me play more and is what brings me fun? (i also play for the cool songs ^0^)
I thought the thread already pointed it out for you.
Shiffy
10 posts
Joined September 2013
Shiffy
I was one of those people who thought a tablet would make me "INSTA-BETTER" so I bought one.

It did turn out well in the long run, I am not top 100 or anything but I have gone up about 40000k in ranks, but I now realize it wasn't just because of the tablet lol.
astelios
60 posts
Joined June 2013
astelios

thelewa wrote:

I just read all of this and surprisingly everything is true
All?
Omgosh, THAT is impressive
lol

Im too basic, for me is just play, and then play more D:
buny
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Joined March 2012
buny

- Ethan - wrote:

I was one of those people who thought a tablet would make me "INSTA-BETTER" so I bought one.

It did turn out well in the long run, I am not top 100 or anything but I have gone up about 40000k in ranks, but I now realize it wasn't just because of the tablet lol.
i wish i went up 40000k ranks when i bought my tablet
MarioBound
74 posts
Joined February 2013
MarioBound
Just be yourself- Gay phrase 2014.
Good post!
DeathRockstar
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Joined December 2013
DeathRockstar
Surprisingly this is all true.... Thanks for this...
Kyonko
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Joined February 2014
Kyonko
Most important tip: Play more.
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poltyrgeist
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Joined December 2012
poltyrgeist
Good post, Bookmarked for future refrence.
AzureRin
38 posts
Joined January 2011
AzureRin
I find the best way to get better is just to try things that you can "barely" do....keep on going at them at eventually you realize you can do them, and some songs that you have trouble before will suddenly seem easy since some hard songs will force you out of bad habits (or else you cant pass). (Obviously dont keep going at songs that insta-kills you....that's barely gonna help.)
Kahoria
2 posts
Joined March 2013
Kahoria
What about this issue :
I have easier time reading Scarlet Rose with HD HR than without mods but HR AR is hell to fast for me to play <.<
Also yes i hate AR10 but it was just an example
My biggest problem would be about my hands, since i'm like a giant, i have cold hands almost all the time, and honestly i have to play for about 5hours straight if i want to warmup correctly. I can't play any insanes + unless i do this '-' but after i turn into a superbeastwhocanFCanythingon1sttry (well you got my point D: )

I FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ! Hi guys ! :D

Here's my question !
HOW CAN I FIX ALL THOSE FARKING SH*T MISS IM DOING ALMOST EVERYMAPS WITH MORE THAN 1K COMBO ?
I mean i'm playing something perfectly (nojoke) like Dream walker or Last remote - type gamma or even (the most deppressive one) Abstract Nonsense and after like 90xx to 1k combo, i miss.
Whatever it will be, sometimes it's square, sometimes triplet, or sometimes just a random note here that i saw 54sec ago and i knew it would be there, and i still miss it.
I've failed so much FC cause of random miss, sometimes i fail earlier like at 500combo and then i pass the entire song afte, end up with 98% accuracy and only 1 miss.
Brb hanging myself while watching Bro'okiezi Tribute :cry:
AzureRin
38 posts
Joined January 2011
AzureRin

Kahoria wrote:

What about this issue :
..
I FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ! Hi guys ! :D

Here's my question !
HOW CAN I FIX ALL THOSE FARKING SH*T MISS IM DOING ALMOST EVERYMAPS WITH MORE THAN 1K COMBO ?
..ribute :cry:
Hello -w-

LOL This reminds me of the time that I was about to FC Lost one no Goukouku.....and then I said to myself.."It will be sad if I fail.."....then I completely missed a stream and failed, and didnt get anywhere near the same combo until maybe 6 months later ._./
nooblet
630 posts
Joined December 2011
nooblet

Kahoria wrote:

What about this issue :
I have easier time reading Scarlet Rose with HD HR than without mods but HR AR is hell to fast for me to play <.<
Also yes i hate AR10 but it was just an example
Solution: Stop thinking that what people who have way more experience than you say applies to you as well. HR doesn't make things easier, it only sometimes makes complicated maps easier to read due to AR10, ONLY for those who can readplay it. If you're referring to "reading" the same way as someone in the thread "AR things (question)" does, that "reading" is just realizing "There's a note there but I can't really do anything about it", I suggest you re-define your version of "reading".

If you wanna improve FCing skills, play some easier insanes that you can FC in a few retries with HIGH accuracy. It will improve your consistency while playing, which is probably what's preventing you from FCing. I did this for a month or so, going over old S records with 99% (SS seems to hate me). Although it might not give PP, it makes a huge difference in accuracy.
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896315876132
I did a couple of these things.. but I found the slide thing out quick enough. 3rd day of playing osu! I got a 450+ combo, S rank, 1,400,000+ points on a map (difficulty Normal) which I find pretty good. I am just gonna stick to using mouse and 'Z' button only. Alternating? fuck that! Its just like the tablet will make you insta better...
iderekmc
368 posts
Joined April 2013
iderekmc

ScarletStory wrote:

Hi everyone, I've been playing osu! daily for almost a year (8 months)
how did u play foralmost a year if ur account is 3 months old?
kuur0
67 posts
Joined November 2013
kuur0
awesome tips n post bookmarked
Yano
191 posts
Joined November 2012
Yano

iderekmc wrote:

ScarletStory wrote:

Hi everyone, I've been playing osu! daily for almost a year (8 months)
how did u play foralmost a year if ur account is 3 months old?
A lot of osu! Players began playing offline without account
Coffee Hero
Coffee Hero
A lot of osu! Players began playing offline without account.

That's a huge overstatement, if anything they just created a new account and their excuse for being better than one would expect would be that they played offline.
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