1. Legend (6.12 stars, 2344 notes)

DexFrild wrote:

Очень неплохо :3 только поработай над обводками. Они немного неровные.
00:37:820 (5) - допустим этот слайдер обводит этот: 00:38:120 (6) - но не очень ровно. Сделай ровно по контру круга. Будет смотреться красивее и приятнее играть
00:51:020 (1,2) - Вот эти два неплохо получились.
00:57:020 (1,2) - На этих проще показать. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1348369 так гораздо лучше
И на некоторых моментах слайдеры пересекаются. Это не есть хорошо. Старайся избегать этого.
Так же следи за флоу и спейсингом. Там есть что исправить по этим пунктам.
Удачи~

GladiOol wrote:

a dragonforce map without ar8 is not a true dragonforce map.

tellertheworld wrote:

From Teller Anchor wwl's Insane modding M4M/NM( ･´ω･｀)

Sorry for mod late. no problem at all

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• General
  The map is too many stream. I feel it boring when I was playing. sorry to hear you found it boring, but i'm not removing the streams
  Your can try to use other pattern.
  
  
  Compose

1. 00:12:020 (5,6,7,8) - flow problem↓↓↓ moved slightly
   
2. 07:08:205 (3,4,1) - - distance not balance. (you can make a jump / balance the distance) I changed that combo a little, made it a jump
   
   
   Timing
3. 06:06:105 - not slow SV here. because the rhythm is not speed down here. yes I know the rhythm doesn't slow down but for some reason I like the lower SV for this part, I think it fits; I'm going to consider changing this if anybody else complains about it
4. 07:01:305 - ^ same as above

Sorry ur map is a lot of stream.
So I cannot mod many tistake.>_<

monomosc wrote:

Hi, nice map!

Not an experienced modder heh

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I found no issues with your map though, just a few minimal stylish "slightly questionable" things.

1. Very often you have a slight flow break (so it feels for me when playing this) at the end of streams. For example:
02:27:020 Just the first one that I really noticed - after moving the slider just a few nudges to the bottom left it felt and played much better for me.

I don't know if that is there for some reason or just slightly lazy (we're all guilty of that) - it feels a little more polished this way. I actually did that on purpose. I thought of it as a way to represent the new combo / new measure, and I didn't think it ruined the flow (I like the look as well, I don't think everything has to have that "perfect shape"). I will think about this, but I'm probably going to leave it the way it is.

03:35:945 this slider is the worst transgression I've found. Having it this way makes the map feel somewhat rugged - this may sound preposterous but the song is very polished - shouldn't the map be as well? Fair enough, fixed.

2. This has the same notion in mind as 1. Some streams are very straight or follow a nice curve (the entire complex at 00:15:00 feels smooth, or 01:03:545 -- follows a nice S form), some are extremely wobbly (05:42:480 or 02:06:845, there are many more examples). Switching it up is usually a good idea - I feel like mapping style changes should have a musical reason though. However not everybody thinks that way and I respect that. Yup I get what you're saying, I kinda disliked those "wobbly" streams that you mentioned as well. The problem is that I can't change them properly without having to change everything afterwards to make the flow work. Well I went and changed the 2 streams you mentioned, because I think those were actually the most problematic ones.

Those are obviously no real "issues", more like some style concerns. I would have.

05:34:905 I found this note extremely difficult to read. No clue what to do there though, it fits the music so well. I'm not really sure about it being hard to read... I could remove the space up until the note so that it's a part of the stream, but I want to keep it this way because it's a new measure.

Closing words: Man I love playing this map. me too lol

Good Luck!

Endemic wrote:

From #modreqs

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Legend


00:05:120 (4,5,1,2) - Make these more straight or more regular, like this: http://puu.sh/7FzvE.JPG moved them a little

02:29:120 (3,4,1) - Move the 4 so they make a triangle. done

03:00:620 (1,2) - This would be better if it was like this:http://puu.sh/7FA3C.JPG done, not exactly like in your image but similar

03:27:020 (1) - Move that slider so it flows more with the stream, And move the slider after it so they're not so close together I have many sliders like this that come directly after streams and this one follows the same example as others. I only moved it a little bit but it's still the same.

03:42:320 (5,6,1) - Move 6 so it forms a triangle. Like this: http://puu.sh/7FAt4.JPG done

03:43:520 (3) - Change the shape of this slider so it flows more with the stream. done

04:28:348 (3,4,1) - Move the circle so its more centered between the sliders. the space is uneven after the circle because it's a new combo; i did this in many places for this part so i'll leave it like this

05:32:505 (1,2,3,4) - Maybe scale down those jumps a bit, 06:55:905 (2,3) - This jump too those jumps are very easy and I think they're fitting so I'm gonna leave them as they are

06:59:805 (3) - Nudge this slider to the right by one on grid level 3. done

07:30:105 (1) - Move this slider so it flows more with the stream. well I did the sliders like this on purpose but it seems people dislike it since it's been mentioned before. moved it a little

08:08:055 (2,3) - Switch the position of these two circles so the triangle goes to the left instead of up done

encryptik wrote:

Fun map! Star!

Keep up the work

AJeyB wrote:

Legend
00:45:920 - vol 5% maybe ? on the ed of spinner You can barely hear the end either way, but sure, changed to 5%.
00:47:420 (1,2) - don't overlap :3 This overlap is fine, it flows well and is not visually uncomfortable.
03:13:070 (2,3,4,5) - maybe more symmetric Done.
07:01:230 (15,1) - this might be on on purpose but try to use same ds I wanted to keep that distance, so instead I replaced the last 2 notes of the stream with a slider, so they're easier to hit.
07:07:305 (1,2) - overlap I think it's fine this way.
Pretty good map, it's fun. Gj.

1. You start a lot of sliders on weaker beats than you end them on, which is bad as it ruins the entire playing rhythm (imagine you have a weak guitar backbeat and a super strong drum, the slider's starting on the guitar and ending on the drum - sure, you have hitsounds on both in the end, but you only play the guitar which ruins the entire momentum); adding a box about this at the bottom of the post.
   
2. Generally you seem to have trouble following beat patterning/grouping in the music: For example, you have a stream of 9 notes, featuring a very strong drum or guitar beat on 1,5 and 9 - this splits the stream into pairs of four, meaning it has a lot more pressure on those which is not emphasized by just putting the stream entirely straight into one direction; you can emphasize this by either changing the spacing (-> minijump, very slight gap between 4-5 and 8-9) or by guiding the stream in a different direction (-> pressure through angle). Consistency is not always better, specifically when the song is consistent either. Only a little share of songs is actually really consistent, and those are monotoneous and not suited for mapping.
   
3. Your spacings seem to vary a lot even when featuring similar- or equally strong beats; for example, if you have the same drumbeat four times in a row, it'd make the most sense to map it in a consistent manner by keeping the same spacing and angle between those beats (such as a square or a consistent zig-zag, depending on whether the notes feel more like "four parts of a whole", "two pairs of the same sound repeating" or "four times the same beat in a row").

Jenny wrote:

Someone sent me the map so I thought I'd point out what bugs me.
Beware, I'm picky and whatnot so I'll explain my point behind everything since it's general issues that repeat throughout the map (and honestly, probably all of your maps, since it's things you have to be aware of so that you do not step into those traps).

SPOILER

1. You start a lot of sliders on weaker beats than you end them on, which is bad as it ruins the entire playing rhythm (imagine you have a weak guitar backbeat and a super strong drum, the slider's starting on the guitar and ending on the drum - sure, you have hitsounds on both in the end, but you only play the guitar which ruins the entire momentum); adding a box about this at the bottom of the post.
   
2. Generally you seem to have trouble following beat patterning/grouping in the music: For example, you have a stream of 9 notes, featuring a very strong drum or guitar beat on 1,5 and 9 - this splits the stream into pairs of four, meaning it has a lot more pressure on those which is not emphasized by just putting the stream entirely straight into one direction; you can emphasize this by either changing the spacing (-> minijump, very slight gap between 4-5 and 8-9) or by guiding the stream in a different direction (-> pressure through angle). Consistency is not always better, specifically when the song is consistent either. Only a little share of songs is actually really consistent, and those are monotoneous and not suited for mapping.
   
3. Your spacings seem to vary a lot even when featuring similar- or equally strong beats; for example, if you have the same drumbeat four times in a row, it'd make the most sense to map it in a consistent manner by keeping the same spacing and angle between those beats (such as a square or a consistent zig-zag, depending on whether the notes feel more like "four parts of a whole", "two pairs of the same sound repeating" or "four times the same beat in a row").

Honestly, those things are big issues that need to be taken care of and which you should always be aware of and care for as they are essential for following, going along with and featuring the music - and that should be your goal in a rhythm game; that doesn't mean you can't be creative and try to add something to the song, but it means you should always base it off of what the song gives you and what you can do well with it and what works with how it's naturally designed.

Remember: Mapping is not a "from scratch" form of art, it's always dependant on the original song. If you end up not respecting the music you've chosen to map, you'll just mess it up and get to a point where your map goes against the music, and that's really bad. Just as players should be respectful towards mappers (*cough* dimming & skindeleting *cough*), mappers should be towards musicians (going with the song's momentum and feeling, featuring it's rhythms etc) - if you'd ever want to do something that is 'entirely your own style', you will need to become a musician yourself first (or map on a blank.mp3).

^that's more of a general lecture; I don't feel like you're trying anything against the music, you just need to practice and learn how to really go with it.

Ajitama wrote:

Hello UndeadBananaz I want to start off by saying great work on this map. I see you've put a lot of time into it. thanks

Mod Response

Here are some things that might help you ^.^
04:19:991 (1) - starting with this slider maybe change the hit sounds on every downbeat to emphasize the bass drum in the background. I didn't add hitsounds starting directly at 04:19:991 because that whole part feels kind of "in the background", so i only used volume increases to make the transition "into the foreground". But I did add some finisher hitsounds on certain downbeats that were stronger starting at 04:26:848 (1)
04:26:848 (1) - Great flow here I really like it Thanks, I don't think that's anything special though lol
06:10:905 (1) - This kiai time doesn't seem as BIG as the others but its up to you if you want to remove it You're right this kiai is really short but I think it fits so much. I'm going to keep it.

Good luck Bananaz

fergas wrote:

Просто идеи, идеи которые проскочили при просмотре карты. Все это связанно с моим личным мнением, так что смело игнорируй, если тебе в корне что-то не нарвиться:
Я написал ответ на английском, надеюсь не против. На русском не привык писать.

• 
  Legend

1. 00:00:620 (1,2,3) - , 00:03:020 (1,2) - , 00:05:120 (1,2,3) - Может быть подчеркнуть характерный звук из песни каким либо соответствующим паттерном? Стак или джамп как на 00:09:920 (1,2,3) - Просто будет чуток опрятнее выглядить I mostly stack notes only when they feel like part of the "same sound", so in this case if there are 3 separate powerful sounds I don't stack them, so the only suggestion left would be to make jumps; not a bad idea but I don't want to make jumps right at the start of the map because I want to give the player a little time to get a "feel" of the song and map
2. 00:04:220 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - если будешь стакать 00:05:120 (1,2) - попробуй 00:04:820 (5,6) - переместить таким образом, что все комбо выглядело чутка более сбалансированным в плане передвижения Left as it was
   
   SPOILER

   
3. 00:07:070 (4,6) - ctrl+g -> 00:07:220 (5,6) - ctrl+g. Новое перемещение между 00:07:220 (5,6,1) - чуток более приятнее выглядит, так как напоминает движения 00:06:620 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -. Старый вариант чутка ломает движение 5,6,1. Done. I really liked this idea, feels much better now
4. 00:10:370 (1) - хз, но я бы продлил его до 00:12:470 - или выпили бы. На данный момент спиннер выглядит как-то не полноценно - звук гиатры вообще никак не изменяется, и вдруг бац! конец спинера - странно смотрится. В любом случае сместить начало на синий тик. Now that you mention it, I agree this spinner isn't perfect. But I can't do much about it because making it longer and ignoring the drums doesn't feel better, and removing the spinner completely makes it feel too empty. I moved the start on the blue tick and extended the spinner by 1/2.
5. 00:13:670 (7,1) - можно чутка раздвинуть. На всех подобных местах у тебя дистанция колеблетесь в районе 1,7~1,9 старайся сохранять ее для чистота паттерна(это касается всех впереди идущих аналогичных моментах) Done
6. 00:26:120 (1,2,3) - может оказаться сложным местом. 00:26:120 (1) - на конце слайдера сильный бит лежит, тогда как начало 00:26:420 (2) - почти пустой - такие моменты бывают сбивают с ритма. Здесь это не столь критично, но все же... Попробуй такой вариант, ну или что-нибудь свое.
   The start of (1) is stronger than the ending, that's why a slider is good there. Also the start of (3) is strong, so those 2 sliders must stay. The (2) slider is a filler, it's not on empty notes because it follows the drums, which is the most basic rhythm here; there is no way this part can break the player's rhythm. I did remove the whistle on the start of (2) because there is no guitar note there.
7. 00:40:820 (9,10,11,12) - мб попробовать чутка подкорректировать его : -7 градусов и сместить чуть влево примерно x:184 y:248. придирка, но переход 00:40:670 (8,9,10) - будет чуть более соответствовать переходу 00:40:070 (4,5,6) - Done but I might change this a little, have to think more about it.
8. 00:42:320 (5,1) - могут быть большие проблемы с этим переходом с 4,0 снапом. Можно все два комбо 00:41:420 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - сдивнуть чуть ближе к 00:41:270 (12) - и изменить немножко кривые
   SPOILER

   
   Not exactly the way you suggested, but I fixed the spacing issue here.
9. 00:44:270 (1) - аналогично с предыдущим моментом You meant to move it to the blue tick right? Done
10. 00:53:420 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - либо 01:03:020 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - надо выбрать что-то одно и мапать водном стиле, я бы второй стрим замапал в стиле первого, так как это подходит карте в целом Re-mapped second stream
11. 01:38:420 (1,2,3,4,5) - разворот на 3 градуса и чутка влево, что бы у комбо были такие цифры
    not exactly sure how you meant, i just slightly rotated and moved the first half of the combo
12. 01:48:920 (1,1) - я думаю процентов 80% игроков это будет фейлить, авто едва выкручивает 1000. Наадо двигать начала на синий тик сразу за нотами uhh... I think you didn't update the map maybe? i removed those spinners a few days ago lol/color]
13. 02:08:120 (1,1) - мб выпилить полностью звук хита + поработать с громкостью как и в 02:12:920 (1) -
14. 03:15:320 (1) - ну как всегда начлао можно на синий тик перенсти done
15. 04:57:705 (1,2) - на мой взгляд, здесь слишком сильно вредит ритму то, что ты слегка перенес акцент на соло гитару. 04:57:705 (1,2) - 05:01:134 (1,2) - 05:03:062 (2,3) - вроде бы и кажется что все они подходят, но может вызвать проблемы у игрока с ритмом, когда карта внезапно начинает подыгрывать другому инструменту Yeah I was thinking of changing all of that too, fixed.
16. 06:21:930 (4,5) - 06:22:230 (8,1) - 06:22:530 (4,5) - 06:22:830 (8,1) - почему бы просто по стандарту не поставить туда слайдер? I will leave this place without sliders because it makes it more tense, just like the music.
    
17. 06:30:405 (1,1) - нереально тяжелые спиннер, почему бы не оставить это место просто пустым? Ну или хотя бы перенести начало на синие тики Yeah you didn't update the map, there were no more spinners there.
18. 07:11:205 (1,1) - уже было done
19. 07:46:905 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - 07:55:305 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - аналогичные моменты до этого ты мапал одним большим стримом 03:43:820 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - 03:52:220 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) -. Либо сделай это фичей: 2 последних стрима во время припева в стиле одного большого, либо стилизуй два стрима из первого припева под общий вид.

This stream is different. I'm not sure which one you have right now because I think you didn't update the map lol. Right now it's like this

which fits just fine and I changed it to be the same for the previous chorus. But I left some streams the way they were (like 03:43:820 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - for example, because the drums are different there. I only break the streams into smaller parts when there are stronger, distinctive drum sounds during that stream.

По сути это не мод, так что кудосу можешь не ставить. Удачки там

UndeadBananaz wrote:

Sometimes I like to use Relax and pretend I'm good at Dragonforce.

AlexaBM wrote:

UndeadBananaz wrote:

Sometimes I like to use Relax and pretend I'm good at Dragonforce.

You're not good. You're AWESOME.

Есть кое-что, что я бы хотела улучшить, но для начала глянь вот это:
03:13:070 (2,3,4,5) - лучше всего их начать на даун и бэкбитах, так ритм будет более читаемым и удобным. Даже перестаивать особо ничего не надо. Удаляешь (5), сдвигаешь (2,3,4) вправо, добавляешь серкл впереди этих слайдеров и сзади. На словах не очень, так что вот скрин:


В общем-то все. Ранкни это!

Mazzerin wrote:

SOMEONE APPROVE IT ALREADY

Mazzerin wrote:

chat mod

2014-11-30 01:37 Mazzerin: in the new one id want to get the spacing in the solo a bit more varied
2014-11-30 01:38 UndeadBananaz: i actually wanted to keep it consistent to avoid any confusion, since it's pretty hard on the stream intensity
2014-11-30 01:38 UndeadBananaz: and you know i mostly drew inspiration from the heroes of our time map, which also had pretty much consistent spacing overall
2014-11-30 01:39 Mazzerin: its not that consistent in the solo
2014-11-30 01:39 Mazzerin: i remember i kept failing it cause of the spacing out part
2014-11-30 01:39 Mazzerin: and it really gets spaced in the end
2014-11-30 01:40 Mazzerin: these 2 should be wider than the rest
2014-11-30 01:40 Mazzerin: 06:27:705 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) -
2014-11-30 01:40 UndeadBananaz: that one shorter stream that gradually gets more spaced?
2014-11-30 01:41 UndeadBananaz: why
2014-11-30 01:41 Mazzerin: it sounds cooler
2014-11-30 01:41 Mazzerin: than other shreds
2014-11-30 01:41 Mazzerin: this is cool
2014-11-30 01:41 Mazzerin: 06:48:105 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) -
2014-11-30 01:44 UndeadBananaz: about those other 2 streams that you said should be wider, i can see that working; the reason i didn't change them, is that i like to change the spacing when there are many streams close to each other
2014-11-30 01:44 UndeadBananaz: when you can feel the change in between them]
2014-11-30 01:44 UndeadBananaz: for more impact
2014-11-30 01:44 Mazzerin: 06:48:105 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) -
2014-11-30 01:44 Mazzerin: what about this?
2014-11-30 01:44 UndeadBananaz: and since there were no other streams aside from those 2, just those 2 more intense streams, i left them like that
2014-11-30 01:44 Mazzerin: yeah i guess so
2014-11-30 01:45 UndeadBananaz: i could feel the transition better there, exactly what i just mentioned
2014-11-30 01:45 Mazzerin: wait what
2014-11-30 01:45 UndeadBananaz: but yeah i actually could make those 2 more spaced
2014-11-30 01:45 Mazzerin: i linked the wrong thing
2014-11-30 01:45 UndeadBananaz: you linked the same part
2014-11-30 01:45 UndeadBananaz: yeah
2014-11-30 01:45 UndeadBananaz: twice
2014-11-30 01:45 Mazzerin: i mean "what about this" was the wrong thing
2014-11-30 01:46 UndeadBananaz: i know
2014-11-30 01:46 UndeadBananaz:
2014-11-30 01:46 Mazzerin: 05:57:705 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) -
2014-11-30 01:46 Mazzerin: there
2014-11-30 01:46 UndeadBananaz: make those more spaced too?
2014-11-30 01:46 Mazzerin: yeah
2014-11-30 01:47 Mazzerin: i mean not REALLY spaced but just like 0.1-0.2 more i guess
2014-11-30 01:47 UndeadBananaz: i'm actually thinking that maybe it would be better to remove the 1/4's and put sliders instead?
2014-11-30 01:47 UndeadBananaz: kind of like mini-jumps
2014-11-30 01:48 UndeadBananaz: two short sliders and that return one
2014-11-30 01:48 Mazzerin: yeah it can work there
2014-11-30 01:49 Mazzerin: 06:09:705 (1,2) -
2014-11-30 01:49 UndeadBananaz: so wait you mentioned how on the old diff i had lots of those weird jumps that didn't start on the sliders
2014-11-30 01:49 Mazzerin: this blanket failed
2014-11-30 01:49 UndeadBananaz: so it's a good thing i removed that here right
2014-11-30 01:49 Mazzerin: yes
2014-11-30 01:49 UndeadBananaz: oh that wasn't even supposed to be a blanket lol
2014-11-30 01:50 UndeadBananaz: but i'll fix that
2014-11-30 01:51 Mazzerin: this has pretty noticable groups of 4 06:12:105 (1) -
2014-11-30 01:52 Mazzerin: even the drums follow it, could make a few curves or small spaces between them so you dont have to switch around too much
2014-11-30 01:53 UndeadBananaz: yeah, but i'll need to figure out how to make it look good
2014-11-30 01:53 UndeadBananaz: i'll mess around with it a bit
2014-11-30 01:54 UndeadBananaz: btw do you think i should remove the custom claps in the choruses
2014-11-30 01:54 UndeadBananaz: i mean like remove the claps altogether
2014-11-30 01:54 Mazzerin: no they sound cool
2014-11-30 01:54 Mazzerin: why would you want to do that
2014-11-30 01:55 UndeadBananaz: because i put them in there just for the sake of having something fancy but the song doesn't actually have a backbeat
2014-11-30 01:55 UndeadBananaz: mayeb i could keep them only for the first part
2014-11-30 01:55 UndeadBananaz: with "a light for the world will save us tonight" since the drums there go boom boom boom
2014-11-30 01:55 Mazzerin: yea its like td d td d
2014-11-30 01:56 UndeadBananaz: but the parts like at 03:27:020
2014-11-30 01:56 UndeadBananaz: doesn't have the backbeat that i used the claps for
2014-11-30 01:56 Mazzerin: yeah
2014-11-30 01:56 UndeadBananaz: so i thought maybe i should remove them
2014-11-30 01:56 Mazzerin: i checked it out
2014-11-30 01:57 Mazzerin: they sound fine without it
2014-11-30 01:57 UndeadBananaz: but at the same time i thought it would help the player keep better track of the beat
2014-11-30 01:57 UndeadBananaz: so i guess it kinda works either way
2014-11-30 01:57 Mazzerin: up to you then, i dont mind either of them
2014-11-30 01:58 Mazzerin: 02:23:420 (1,2,3) - why no parallel
2014-11-30 01:58 Mazzerin: was talking about these before
2014-11-30 01:59 UndeadBananaz: idk i guess i'm just weird, i didn't want parallels
2014-11-30 01:59 Mazzerin: 02:32:720 (4,1) - could move that #1 to blanket
2014-11-30 02:00 UndeadBananaz: i'll just rotate it slightly, so i don't have to change the shape of the next 2 sliders
2014-11-30 02:00 UndeadBananaz: cause all of those have the exact same shape which was my goal
2014-11-30 02:01 Mazzerin: oh
2014-11-30 02:01 Mazzerin: just move the position if you need to
2014-11-30 02:01 Mazzerin: 03:06:770 (7,8) -
2014-11-30 02:01 Mazzerin: rotate this to https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2293657
2014-11-30 02:02 Mazzerin: and huh, these are paralleled 03:13:220 (3,4,5) -
2014-11-30 02:03 UndeadBananaz: i made the previous ones parallel too
2014-11-30 02:03 UndeadBananaz: lol
2014-11-30 02:03 UndeadBananaz: after you mentioned
2014-11-30 02:03 UndeadBananaz: just now
2014-11-30 02:06 Mazzerin: add red anchor point for cool slider here?
2014-11-30 02:06 Mazzerin: 05:49:005 (9) -
2014-11-30 02:07 UndeadBananaz: red instead of the normal one?
2014-11-30 02:08 Mazzerin: wait wait
2014-11-30 02:08 Mazzerin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2293667
2014-11-30 02:08 Mazzerin: something like this
2014-11-30 02:08 Mazzerin: its red+white
2014-11-30 02:08 Mazzerin: 1 of each
2014-11-30 02:09 UndeadBananaz: yeah i think that looks good
2014-11-30 02:10 UndeadBananaz: well so far i applied the suggestions except the first ones for the solo, cause it will take me a little longer to re-arrange that stuff
2014-11-30 02:10 UndeadBananaz: but i do remember all of it
2014-11-30 02:11 Mazzerin: 03:16:220 (1) -
2014-11-30 02:11 Mazzerin: move further away from the center of the spinner
2014-11-30 02:12 UndeadBananaz: i think most people spin clockwise, so moving to the right a bit would be better right
2014-11-30 02:12 UndeadBananaz: so that the motion is kinda more fluid
2014-11-30 02:13 Mazzerin: anywhere further away but yes i spin to the right so move it to the right
2014-11-30 02:13 UndeadBananaz: lolol
2014-11-30 02:13 UndeadBananaz: done
2014-11-30 02:14 UndeadBananaz: actually my biggest concern about this map is, should i replace stuff like these 03:19:820 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - with something else, like sliders?
2014-11-30 02:14 UndeadBananaz: i have one part like that in every chorus and i don't know if it works
2014-11-30 02:15 UndeadBananaz: they have like a pattern but i'm thinking it might be unnecessarily hard
2014-11-30 02:18 Mazzerin: i think its very subjective
2014-11-30 02:18 Mazzerin: but most people would prefer having the circles
2014-11-30 02:18 Mazzerin: i remember you changed it to this to circles before and i loved it, because slider only chorus wasnt fun
2014-11-30 02:19 UndeadBananaz: okay then i'll keep them, since nobody actually ever complained about them
2014-11-30 02:20 Mazzerin: 07:58:905 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
2014-11-30 02:20 Mazzerin: the beginning of this stream looks awkward
2014-11-30 02:21 Mazzerin: like #2 goes to the other side then goes back on the other one on #3
2014-11-30 02:22 Mazzerin: and these could make something a bit more shapey but its not that needed 07:59:955 (15,16,1,2,3) -
2014-11-30 02:22 UndeadBananaz: i just wanted to have like an 8 shape
2014-11-30 02:22 UndeadBananaz: but yeah i'll move the first circle a bit
2014-11-30 02:22 Mazzerin: LOOL
2014-11-30 02:22 Mazzerin: i didnt even notice wtf
2014-11-30 02:23 UndeadBananaz: yeah like the symbol for infinite
2014-11-30 02:23 UndeadBananaz: you know
2014-11-30 02:23 UndeadBananaz:
2014-11-30 02:27 Mazzerin: 08:06:105 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
2014-11-30 02:28 Mazzerin: separate these into 2x3 +1
2014-11-30 02:28 Mazzerin: and dont make it very hard right at the end
2014-11-30 02:29 UndeadBananaz: aren't they kinda already 2x3+1
2014-11-30 02:29 UndeadBananaz: it's just that the notes overlap in the middle but basically the same
2014-11-30 02:31 Mazzerin: hmm you should somehow find a way to make those 1/3s readable
2014-11-30 02:32 UndeadBananaz: since it suddenly turns to 1/3 and it's the only place like that ,maybe replace them with sliders?
2014-11-30 02:32 Mazzerin: 1/3s at the end of the map as circles only isnt good maybe you should add sliders on 08:06:305 (2,5) -
2014-11-30 02:32 Mazzerin: yeah
2014-11-30 02:32 UndeadBananaz: cause they're easier to hit lol
2014-11-30 02:34 Mazzerin: or just start the whole pattern with a slider so it warns you about it
2014-11-30 02:35 UndeadBananaz: or maybe just 3 sliders + circle?
2014-11-30 02:35 UndeadBananaz: cause i agree hitting those 1/3's is akward as fk
2014-11-30 02:35 Mazzerin: but then the groups of 3 arent seperated
2014-11-30 02:36 Mazzerin: i want slider>circle slider>circle circle
2014-11-30 02:37 UndeadBananaz: oh yeah it's two groups of 3
2014-11-30 02:37 UndeadBananaz: wtf
2014-11-30 02:37 UndeadBananaz: i was always looking at it as 3 groups of 2's
2014-11-30 02:37 Mazzerin: lol
2014-11-30 02:37 UndeadBananaz: i'm a little retarded
2014-11-30 02:37 UndeadBananaz: yeah either that or just 2 return sliders then
2014-11-30 02:40 Mazzerin: 08:03:705 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) -
2014-11-30 02:40 Mazzerin: these dont look too good
2014-11-30 02:40 Mazzerin: i think this looks better
2014-11-30 02:40 Mazzerin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2293758
2014-11-30 02:40 Mazzerin: or something along those lines
2014-11-30 02:43 UndeadBananaz: done
2014-11-30 02:48 Mazzerin: uh one more thing
2014-11-30 02:48 Mazzerin: what about od 8.5 or something
2014-11-30 02:48 Mazzerin: since it wont ever be hrd by anyone
2014-11-30 02:49 UndeadBananaz: hm
2014-11-30 02:49 UndeadBananaz: i personally am not sure what the difference would be
2014-11-30 02:49 UndeadBananaz: between 8 and 8.5
2014-11-30 02:50 Mazzerin: it would be slightly harder and worth more peppeh points
2014-11-30 02:50 Mazzerin:
2014-11-30 02:50 UndeadBananaz: more points = good
2014-11-30 02:50 UndeadBananaz: but idk i was actually kinda okay with the difficulty it had
2014-11-30 02:51 UndeadBananaz: but 8.5 will only make it slightly more difficult right
2014-11-30 02:51 Mazzerin: yeah
2014-11-30 02:51 UndeadBananaz: so soembody who is able to beat it with 8 should be able to beat it with 8.5?
2014-11-30 02:51 Mazzerin: yes theres no doubt in that
2014-11-30 02:51 UndeadBananaz: okay then
2014-11-30 02:51 Mazzerin: actually sometimes higher od can make it easier to pass
2014-11-30 02:51 Mazzerin: because of note locking
2014-11-30 02:51 Mazzerin: low od means you have a lot of time to press a note
2014-11-30 02:52 Mazzerin: so you can hit it very late
2014-11-30 02:52 Mazzerin: if you miss it and move to the next one the game can think you still want to hit the earlier one but you cant hit the new one and move on to the next one and miss the whole pattern
2014-11-30 02:52 Mazzerin: that happens mostly on higher bpm maps with lower ods
2014-11-30 02:53 UndeadBananaz: i see, makes sense
2014-11-30 02:53 UndeadBananaz: so about this 06:12:105 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) -
2014-11-30 02:53 UndeadBananaz: should i just make it more curved
2014-11-30 02:54 UndeadBananaz: not with jumps in between?
2014-11-30 02:54 Mazzerin: you can make either but dont make the jumps bigger than on the next stream with groups of 4
2014-11-30 02:54 Mazzerin: because they arent that intense
2014-11-30 02:55 UndeadBananaz: well i meant if jumps then with sliders
2014-11-30 02:55 UndeadBananaz: cause that places is the only one where i want to have jumps inbetween streams without sliders
2014-11-30 02:55 Mazzerin: oh no id rather make some cool curves
2014-11-30 02:56 UndeadBananaz: i'm not sure if i can make cool ones
2014-11-30 02:56 UndeadBananaz: lol
2014-11-30 02:56 UndeadBananaz: just normal ones
2014-11-30 02:56 UndeadBananaz: but more pronounced than right now
2014-11-30 02:57 UndeadBananaz: because it's hard to make a cool curve when you only have 4 notes to work with
2014-11-30 02:57 UndeadBananaz: because a stream of 16 notes needs to have 4 curves
2014-11-30 02:58 UndeadBananaz: oh wait i remembered something
2014-11-30 02:58 Mazzerin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2293805
2014-11-30 02:58 Mazzerin: i got this
2014-11-30 02:58 UndeadBananaz: do you still have my journey home?
2014-11-30 02:59 Mazzerin: yeah of course
2014-11-30 02:59 Mazzerin: why not
2014-11-30 02:59 UndeadBananaz: do you like the curves like here 04:34:272 (8,1) -
2014-11-30 02:59 UndeadBananaz: actually heroes of our time also had something similar
2014-11-30 03:00 UndeadBananaz: so i can turn that one in inside the winter storm
2014-11-30 03:00 UndeadBananaz: into 4 of those curves
2014-11-30 03:01 Mazzerin: oh yeah
2014-11-30 03:01 Mazzerin: that looks awesome
2014-11-30 03:01 Mazzerin: just not that spaced out on the last one because its not that intense on inside the winter storm
2014-11-30 03:02 UndeadBananaz: here, jenny's heroes of our time has a better example
2014-11-30 03:02 UndeadBananaz: 04:30:551 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) -
2014-11-30 03:02 UndeadBananaz: so i can make my stream just like that basically
2014-11-30 03:02 Mazzerin: yeah
2014-11-30 03:02 Mazzerin: theres no place to fit a box like that there though
2014-11-30 03:03 UndeadBananaz: i'll probably just have to re-arrange the streams before it and the objects after it a bit
2014-11-30 03:03 UndeadBananaz: and it'll fit
2014-11-30 03:04 UndeadBananaz: about this one
2014-11-30 03:04 UndeadBananaz: 06:27:705 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) -
2014-11-30 03:04 UndeadBananaz: do you think maybe i should start it out more spaced, and then less spaced at the end
2014-11-30 03:04 UndeadBananaz: and maybe same thing with the following one
2014-11-30 03:04 UndeadBananaz: it kinda seems like it would fit
2014-11-30 03:05 UndeadBananaz: or the opposite, start out less spaced and ending more spaced idk
2014-11-30 03:05 Mazzerin: i think jenny used a cool thing there sec
2014-11-30 03:06 Mazzerin: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/416021 DragonForce - The Last Journey Home [Legend]]
2014-11-30 03:06 Mazzerin: 04:33:689 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) -
2014-11-30 03:06 Mazzerin: these
2014-11-30 03:06 Mazzerin: something like that could work too
2014-11-30 03:06 Mazzerin: with spacing in and out
2014-11-30 03:06 Mazzerin: but you could make it space in
2014-11-30 03:06 Mazzerin: instead of in and out
2014-11-30 03:07 UndeadBananaz: i actually like it like that
2014-11-30 03:07 UndeadBananaz: in and out
2014-11-30 03:07 UndeadBananaz: except i don't think it fits in this place where jenny used it lol
2014-11-30 03:07 UndeadBananaz: but it would fit in mine probably
2014-11-30 03:08 Mazzerin: i think she wanted to emphasize the drums there
2014-11-30 03:08 Mazzerin: along with the guitar
2014-11-30 03:08 Mazzerin: or idk lol
2014-11-30 03:08 Mazzerin: but probably that
2014-11-30 03:08 UndeadBananaz: i'll probably think more about it tomorrow because i'm getting a little too sleepy to decide on it now
2014-11-30 03:08 UndeadBananaz: but i think i applied all your suggestions, except for the ones for those last streams i mentioned
2014-11-30 03:08 UndeadBananaz: i'll edit them out tomorrow
2014-11-30 03:09 Mazzerin: 01:45:470 (4,5) -
2014-11-30 03:09 Mazzerin: these 2 abit to the left so it blankets
2014-11-30 03:09 Mazzerin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2293835
2014-11-30 03:10 Mazzerin: this is perfect
2014-11-30 03:10 UndeadBananaz: yeah done
2014-11-30 03:10 UndeadBananaz: i remember when i was the one telling you about blankets and now it turns out i'm the one who lazied out on them lol
2014-11-30 03:10 UndeadBananaz: even though i don't always like blankets
2014-11-30 03:11 Mazzerin: haha:D
2014-11-30 03:11 Mazzerin: i pay so much attention to what people say and i think is good
2014-11-30 03:12 Mazzerin: ok ill post this now
2014-11-30 03:12 UndeadBananaz: yup

Kayne wrote:

Idk, DragonForce, well mapped, i want to see it approved so a random mod is here. ;w;

00:10:295 (1) - End it at 00:11:345 - it sounds better imho-- i usually don't like ending the spinners right before the next object for gameplay reasons (kind of like a small queue for them to stop spinning), but i'll make an exception for this one since the sound even keeps going through the next objects
00:43:670 (8,1,2) - This flow is meeeh, put (2) at x272 y48 or something like this done
00:44:195 (1) - Why do u want to end this spinner here? The sound keeps going, it ends like at 00:46:220 - it's better if u end the spinner on the tick blue, here 00:46:145 - like i said above, don't like ending them on the blue ticks, but i will increase the spinner up until the red tick
01:48:620 (1,1,1) - Use the same spacing, pu t 01:49:820 (1) - at x296 y152 done
02:08:120 (1) - Another "bad placed" spinner (?), the "WOHOHOHO" starts like here 02:07:820 (1) - so put the spinner on the blue tick here 02:08:045 - done
02:10:370 (1) - Start it at 02:10:295 - and end it at 02:12:545 - ofc "mute the sound" at the end done, but ended on the red tick instead
02:12:920 (1) - There is no sound, i think it's better if you remove it- i know there's no sound but i think the vocal part is a strong build-up before the chorus so i'm going to leave it
02:16:220 (1) - U can replace it with a slider like this http://puu.sh/hXZYb/fef0d40bf4.jpg i tested it out and liked the idea but didn't like the way it played, so i extended that slider by 1 more beat and removed the soft circle for the vocal note
03:15:095 (1) - End it on the blue tick before the big white tick extended, but ended on the red tick
04:06:491 (1) - As always, start on the blue tick and end on the blue tick started on the blue, but left the ending like that because it complements the guitar note
04:11:527 (1) - Same^ same here, ended on the red tick
06:55:305 (1) - Use 2 repeats and remove the 2 beats, idk why but i like it ;w; lol yeah i liked it too
07:11:205 (1,1) - Well always the same problems with spinners, I don't think I need to repeat them lol same as before
07:16:005 (1) - Remove it same as before
07:19:305 (1) - Same as above, a slider like this http://puu.sh/hXZYb/fef0d40bf4.jpg same as i did with the previous one
07:57:705 (1,1) - Stack them done
08:01:755 (1) - WHYYY çwwwwç, remove it please ;; lol the guitar in the background is pretty noticeable, i'll keep it