1. Legend (6.12 stars, 2344 notes)

DexFrild wrote:

Очень неплохо :3 только поработай над обводками. Они немного неровные.
00:37:820 (5) - допустим этот слайдер обводит этот: 00:38:120 (6) - но не очень ровно. Сделай ровно по контру круга. Будет смотреться красивее и приятнее играть
00:51:020 (1,2) - Вот эти два неплохо получились.
00:57:020 (1,2) - На этих проще показать. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1348369 так гораздо лучше
И на некоторых моментах слайдеры пересекаются. Это не есть хорошо. Старайся избегать этого.
Так же следи за флоу и спейсингом. Там есть что исправить по этим пунктам.
Удачи~

GladiOol wrote:

a dragonforce map without ar8 is not a true dragonforce map.

tellertheworld wrote:

From Teller Anchor wwl's Insane modding M4M/NM( ･´ω･｀)

Sorry for mod late. no problem at all

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• General
  The map is too many stream. I feel it boring when I was playing. sorry to hear you found it boring, but i'm not removing the streams
  Your can try to use other pattern.
  
  
  Compose

1. 00:12:020 (5,6,7,8) - flow problem↓↓↓ moved slightly
   
2. 07:08:205 (3,4,1) - - distance not balance. (you can make a jump / balance the distance) I changed that combo a little, made it a jump
   
   
   Timing
3. 06:06:105 - not slow SV here. because the rhythm is not speed down here. yes I know the rhythm doesn't slow down but for some reason I like the lower SV for this part, I think it fits; I'm going to consider changing this if anybody else complains about it
4. 07:01:305 - ^ same as above

Sorry ur map is a lot of stream.
So I cannot mod many tistake.>_<

monomosc wrote:

Hi, nice map!

Not an experienced modder heh

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I found no issues with your map though, just a few minimal stylish "slightly questionable" things.

1. Very often you have a slight flow break (so it feels for me when playing this) at the end of streams. For example:
02:27:020 Just the first one that I really noticed - after moving the slider just a few nudges to the bottom left it felt and played much better for me.

I don't know if that is there for some reason or just slightly lazy (we're all guilty of that) - it feels a little more polished this way. I actually did that on purpose. I thought of it as a way to represent the new combo / new measure, and I didn't think it ruined the flow (I like the look as well, I don't think everything has to have that "perfect shape"). I will think about this, but I'm probably going to leave it the way it is.

03:35:945 this slider is the worst transgression I've found. Having it this way makes the map feel somewhat rugged - this may sound preposterous but the song is very polished - shouldn't the map be as well? Fair enough, fixed.

2. This has the same notion in mind as 1. Some streams are very straight or follow a nice curve (the entire complex at 00:15:00 feels smooth, or 01:03:545 -- follows a nice S form), some are extremely wobbly (05:42:480 or 02:06:845, there are many more examples). Switching it up is usually a good idea - I feel like mapping style changes should have a musical reason though. However not everybody thinks that way and I respect that. Yup I get what you're saying, I kinda disliked those "wobbly" streams that you mentioned as well. The problem is that I can't change them properly without having to change everything afterwards to make the flow work. Well I went and changed the 2 streams you mentioned, because I think those were actually the most problematic ones.

Those are obviously no real "issues", more like some style concerns. I would have.

05:34:905 I found this note extremely difficult to read. No clue what to do there though, it fits the music so well. I'm not really sure about it being hard to read... I could remove the space up until the note so that it's a part of the stream, but I want to keep it this way because it's a new measure.

Closing words: Man I love playing this map. me too lol

Good Luck!

Endemic wrote:

From #modreqs

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Legend


00:05:120 (4,5,1,2) - Make these more straight or more regular, like this: http://puu.sh/7FzvE.JPG moved them a little

02:29:120 (3,4,1) - Move the 4 so they make a triangle. done

03:00:620 (1,2) - This would be better if it was like this:http://puu.sh/7FA3C.JPG done, not exactly like in your image but similar

03:27:020 (1) - Move that slider so it flows more with the stream, And move the slider after it so they're not so close together I have many sliders like this that come directly after streams and this one follows the same example as others. I only moved it a little bit but it's still the same.

03:42:320 (5,6,1) - Move 6 so it forms a triangle. Like this: http://puu.sh/7FAt4.JPG done

03:43:520 (3) - Change the shape of this slider so it flows more with the stream. done

04:28:348 (3,4,1) - Move the circle so its more centered between the sliders. the space is uneven after the circle because it's a new combo; i did this in many places for this part so i'll leave it like this

05:32:505 (1,2,3,4) - Maybe scale down those jumps a bit, 06:55:905 (2,3) - This jump too those jumps are very easy and I think they're fitting so I'm gonna leave them as they are

06:59:805 (3) - Nudge this slider to the right by one on grid level 3. done

07:30:105 (1) - Move this slider so it flows more with the stream. well I did the sliders like this on purpose but it seems people dislike it since it's been mentioned before. moved it a little

08:08:055 (2,3) - Switch the position of these two circles so the triangle goes to the left instead of up done

encryptik wrote:

Fun map! Star!

Keep up the work

AJeyB wrote:

Legend
00:45:920 - vol 5% maybe ? on the ed of spinner You can barely hear the end either way, but sure, changed to 5%.
00:47:420 (1,2) - don't overlap :3 This overlap is fine, it flows well and is not visually uncomfortable.
03:13:070 (2,3,4,5) - maybe more symmetric Done.
07:01:230 (15,1) - this might be on on purpose but try to use same ds I wanted to keep that distance, so instead I replaced the last 2 notes of the stream with a slider, so they're easier to hit.
07:07:305 (1,2) - overlap I think it's fine this way.
Pretty good map, it's fun. Gj.

1. You start a lot of sliders on weaker beats than you end them on, which is bad as it ruins the entire playing rhythm (imagine you have a weak guitar backbeat and a super strong drum, the slider's starting on the guitar and ending on the drum - sure, you have hitsounds on both in the end, but you only play the guitar which ruins the entire momentum); adding a box about this at the bottom of the post.
   
2. Generally you seem to have trouble following beat patterning/grouping in the music: For example, you have a stream of 9 notes, featuring a very strong drum or guitar beat on 1,5 and 9 - this splits the stream into pairs of four, meaning it has a lot more pressure on those which is not emphasized by just putting the stream entirely straight into one direction; you can emphasize this by either changing the spacing (-> minijump, very slight gap between 4-5 and 8-9) or by guiding the stream in a different direction (-> pressure through angle). Consistency is not always better, specifically when the song is consistent either. Only a little share of songs is actually really consistent, and those are monotoneous and not suited for mapping.
   
3. Your spacings seem to vary a lot even when featuring similar- or equally strong beats; for example, if you have the same drumbeat four times in a row, it'd make the most sense to map it in a consistent manner by keeping the same spacing and angle between those beats (such as a square or a consistent zig-zag, depending on whether the notes feel more like "four parts of a whole", "two pairs of the same sound repeating" or "four times the same beat in a row").

Jenny wrote:

Someone sent me the map so I thought I'd point out what bugs me.
Beware, I'm picky and whatnot so I'll explain my point behind everything since it's general issues that repeat throughout the map (and honestly, probably all of your maps, since it's things you have to be aware of so that you do not step into those traps).

SPOILER

1. You start a lot of sliders on weaker beats than you end them on, which is bad as it ruins the entire playing rhythm (imagine you have a weak guitar backbeat and a super strong drum, the slider's starting on the guitar and ending on the drum - sure, you have hitsounds on both in the end, but you only play the guitar which ruins the entire momentum); adding a box about this at the bottom of the post.
   
2. Generally you seem to have trouble following beat patterning/grouping in the music: For example, you have a stream of 9 notes, featuring a very strong drum or guitar beat on 1,5 and 9 - this splits the stream into pairs of four, meaning it has a lot more pressure on those which is not emphasized by just putting the stream entirely straight into one direction; you can emphasize this by either changing the spacing (-> minijump, very slight gap between 4-5 and 8-9) or by guiding the stream in a different direction (-> pressure through angle). Consistency is not always better, specifically when the song is consistent either. Only a little share of songs is actually really consistent, and those are monotoneous and not suited for mapping.
   
3. Your spacings seem to vary a lot even when featuring similar- or equally strong beats; for example, if you have the same drumbeat four times in a row, it'd make the most sense to map it in a consistent manner by keeping the same spacing and angle between those beats (such as a square or a consistent zig-zag, depending on whether the notes feel more like "four parts of a whole", "two pairs of the same sound repeating" or "four times the same beat in a row").

Honestly, those things are big issues that need to be taken care of and which you should always be aware of and care for as they are essential for following, going along with and featuring the music - and that should be your goal in a rhythm game; that doesn't mean you can't be creative and try to add something to the song, but it means you should always base it off of what the song gives you and what you can do well with it and what works with how it's naturally designed.

Remember: Mapping is not a "from scratch" form of art, it's always dependant on the original song. If you end up not respecting the music you've chosen to map, you'll just mess it up and get to a point where your map goes against the music, and that's really bad. Just as players should be respectful towards mappers (*cough* dimming & skindeleting *cough*), mappers should be towards musicians (going with the song's momentum and feeling, featuring it's rhythms etc) - if you'd ever want to do something that is 'entirely your own style', you will need to become a musician yourself first (or map on a blank.mp3).

^that's more of a general lecture; I don't feel like you're trying anything against the music, you just need to practice and learn how to really go with it.

Ajitama wrote:

Hello UndeadBananaz I want to start off by saying great work on this map. I see you've put a lot of time into it. thanks

Mod Response

Here are some things that might help you ^.^
04:19:991 (1) - starting with this slider maybe change the hit sounds on every downbeat to emphasize the bass drum in the background. I didn't add hitsounds starting directly at 04:19:991 because that whole part feels kind of "in the background", so i only used volume increases to make the transition "into the foreground". But I did add some finisher hitsounds on certain downbeats that were stronger starting at 04:26:848 (1)
04:26:848 (1) - Great flow here I really like it Thanks, I don't think that's anything special though lol
06:10:905 (1) - This kiai time doesn't seem as BIG as the others but its up to you if you want to remove it You're right this kiai is really short but I think it fits so much. I'm going to keep it.

Good luck Bananaz

fergas wrote:

Просто идеи, идеи которые проскочили при просмотре карты. Все это связанно с моим личным мнением, так что смело игнорируй, если тебе в корне что-то не нарвиться:
Я написал ответ на английском, надеюсь не против. На русском не привык писать.

• 
  Legend

1. 00:00:620 (1,2,3) - , 00:03:020 (1,2) - , 00:05:120 (1,2,3) - Может быть подчеркнуть характерный звук из песни каким либо соответствующим паттерном? Стак или джамп как на 00:09:920 (1,2,3) - Просто будет чуток опрятнее выглядить I mostly stack notes only when they feel like part of the "same sound", so in this case if there are 3 separate powerful sounds I don't stack them, so the only suggestion left would be to make jumps; not a bad idea but I don't want to make jumps right at the start of the map because I want to give the player a little time to get a "feel" of the song and map
2. 00:04:220 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - если будешь стакать 00:05:120 (1,2) - попробуй 00:04:820 (5,6) - переместить таким образом, что все комбо выглядело чутка более сбалансированным в плане передвижения Left as it was
   
   SPOILER

   
3. 00:07:070 (4,6) - ctrl+g -> 00:07:220 (5,6) - ctrl+g. Новое перемещение между 00:07:220 (5,6,1) - чуток более приятнее выглядит, так как напоминает движения 00:06:620 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -. Старый вариант чутка ломает движение 5,6,1. Done. I really liked this idea, feels much better now
4. 00:10:370 (1) - хз, но я бы продлил его до 00:12:470 - или выпили бы. На данный момент спиннер выглядит как-то не полноценно - звук гиатры вообще никак не изменяется, и вдруг бац! конец спинера - странно смотрится. В любом случае сместить начало на синий тик. Now that you mention it, I agree this spinner isn't perfect. But I can't do much about it because making it longer and ignoring the drums doesn't feel better, and removing the spinner completely makes it feel too empty. I moved the start on the blue tick and extended the spinner by 1/2.
5. 00:13:670 (7,1) - можно чутка раздвинуть. На всех подобных местах у тебя дистанция колеблетесь в районе 1,7~1,9 старайся сохранять ее для чистота паттерна(это касается всех впереди идущих аналогичных моментах) Done
6. 00:26:120 (1,2,3) - может оказаться сложным местом. 00:26:120 (1) - на конце слайдера сильный бит лежит, тогда как начало 00:26:420 (2) - почти пустой - такие моменты бывают сбивают с ритма. Здесь это не столь критично, но все же... Попробуй такой вариант, ну или что-нибудь свое.
   The start of (1) is stronger than the ending, that's why a slider is good there. Also the start of (3) is strong, so those 2 sliders must stay. The (2) slider is a filler, it's not on empty notes because it follows the drums, which is the most basic rhythm here; there is no way this part can break the player's rhythm. I did remove the whistle on the start of (2) because there is no guitar note there.
7. 00:40:820 (9,10,11,12) - мб попробовать чутка подкорректировать его : -7 градусов и сместить чуть влево примерно x:184 y:248. придирка, но переход 00:40:670 (8,9,10) - будет чуть более соответствовать переходу 00:40:070 (4,5,6) - Done but I might change this a little, have to think more about it.
8. 00:42:320 (5,1) - могут быть большие проблемы с этим переходом с 4,0 снапом. Можно все два комбо 00:41:420 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - сдивнуть чуть ближе к 00:41:270 (12) - и изменить немножко кривые
   SPOILER

   
   Not exactly the way you suggested, but I fixed the spacing issue here.
9. 00:44:270 (1) - аналогично с предыдущим моментом You meant to move it to the blue tick right? Done
10. 00:53:420 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - либо 01:03:020 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - надо выбрать что-то одно и мапать водном стиле, я бы второй стрим замапал в стиле первого, так как это подходит карте в целом Re-mapped second stream
11. 01:38:420 (1,2,3,4,5) - разворот на 3 градуса и чутка влево, что бы у комбо были такие цифры
    not exactly sure how you meant, i just slightly rotated and moved the first half of the combo
12. 01:48:920 (1,1) - я думаю процентов 80% игроков это будет фейлить, авто едва выкручивает 1000. Наадо двигать начала на синий тик сразу за нотами uhh... I think you didn't update the map maybe? i removed those spinners a few days ago lol/color]
13. 02:08:120 (1,1) - мб выпилить полностью звук хита + поработать с громкостью как и в 02:12:920 (1) -
14. 03:15:320 (1) - ну как всегда начлао можно на синий тик перенсти done
15. 04:57:705 (1,2) - на мой взгляд, здесь слишком сильно вредит ритму то, что ты слегка перенес акцент на соло гитару. 04:57:705 (1,2) - 05:01:134 (1,2) - 05:03:062 (2,3) - вроде бы и кажется что все они подходят, но может вызвать проблемы у игрока с ритмом, когда карта внезапно начинает подыгрывать другому инструменту Yeah I was thinking of changing all of that too, fixed.
16. 06:21:930 (4,5) - 06:22:230 (8,1) - 06:22:530 (4,5) - 06:22:830 (8,1) - почему бы просто по стандарту не поставить туда слайдер? I will leave this place without sliders because it makes it more tense, just like the music.
    
17. 06:30:405 (1,1) - нереально тяжелые спиннер, почему бы не оставить это место просто пустым? Ну или хотя бы перенести начало на синие тики Yeah you didn't update the map, there were no more spinners there.
18. 07:11:205 (1,1) - уже было done
19. 07:46:905 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - 07:55:305 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - аналогичные моменты до этого ты мапал одним большим стримом 03:43:820 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - 03:52:220 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) -. Либо сделай это фичей: 2 последних стрима во время припева в стиле одного большого, либо стилизуй два стрима из первого припева под общий вид.

This stream is different. I'm not sure which one you have right now because I think you didn't update the map lol. Right now it's like this

which fits just fine and I changed it to be the same for the previous chorus. But I left some streams the way they were (like 03:43:820 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - for example, because the drums are different there. I only break the streams into smaller parts when there are stronger, distinctive drum sounds during that stream.

По сути это не мод, так что кудосу можешь не ставить. Удачки там

UndeadBananaz wrote:

Sometimes I like to use Relax and pretend I'm good at Dragonforce.

AlexaBM wrote:

UndeadBananaz wrote:

Sometimes I like to use Relax and pretend I'm good at Dragonforce.

You're not good. You're AWESOME.

Есть кое-что, что я бы хотела улучшить, но для начала глянь вот это:
03:13:070 (2,3,4,5) - лучше всего их начать на даун и бэкбитах, так ритм будет более читаемым и удобным. Даже перестаивать особо ничего не надо. Удаляешь (5), сдвигаешь (2,3,4) вправо, добавляешь серкл впереди этих слайдеров и сзади. На словах не очень, так что вот скрин:


В общем-то все. Ранкни это!

Mazzerin wrote:

SOMEONE APPROVE IT ALREADY