JAKA just explained this to me.
You have my support on this!
You have my support on this!
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Mirror Mod and Near poetic reasons implementation is a must.
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so essentially you have a way to make the map possibly easier, with no score reduction?
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Very valid point!buny wrote:
so essentially you have a way to make the map possibly easier, with no score reduction?
In essence the aim again, isn't to provide shortcuts but simply to provide a mirrored alternative (ha ha) to the situation based upon how they feel comfortable.
Point being, you aren't FORCED to spin clockwise, so people choose to spin anticlockwise because they feel more 'comfortable' doing so. My idea essentialy follows the same principle!
(wont somebody PLEASE think of the lefties!)
This would make the game a bit more fair IMO. For example: Right bottom corner to left upper corner jumps are bit more harder than left bottom corner to right upper corner jumps, and if I was a left-handed, the situation would probably be reversed (so some maps would be a bit easier for right-handed people than left-handed people, or vice-versa).
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I can't do right bottom->left up jumps and i find really easy left bottom->right up jumps and i'm right handed lolFull Tablet wrote:
This would make the game a bit more fair IMO. For example: Right bottom corner to left upper corner jumps are bit more harder than left bottom corner to right upper corner jumps, and if I was a left-handed, the situation would probably be reversed (so some maps would be a bit easier for right-handed people than left-handed people, or vice-versa).
Can follow reasoning, will back. Mod icon preview soon please 
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That's an interesting idea!
I'll support!
That's an interesting idea!
I'll support!
I used to have a lot of trouble with patterns that didn't flow in the same direction that I spin in, but then I worked on it a lot and got equally good at both flow directions
this mod would nullify most of my efforts and if I could do it then most probably anyone could do it, this just sounds like a way for lazy people to skip that extra practice
the same goes for losing focus with the more you play a map, you can even get better at that with practice
you can fix everything you pointed out with practice
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and even those slight differences that you've pointed out can be evened out with practice
this mod would nullify most of my efforts and if I could do it then most probably anyone could do it, this just sounds like a way for lazy people to skip that extra practice
the same goes for losing focus with the more you play a map, you can even get better at that with practice
you can fix everything you pointed out with practice
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it would not make the game more fair since even right now there is no significant advantage as to what hand you use to aim with or what direction you spin towardsFull Tablet wrote:
This would make the game a bit more fair IMO. For example: Right bottom corner to left upper corner jumps are bit more harder than left bottom corner to right upper corner jumps, and if I was a left-handed, the situation would probably be reversed (so some maps would be a bit easier for right-handed people than left-handed people, or vice-versa).
and even those slight differences that you've pointed out can be evened out with practice
Topic Starter
Hey thelewa!
I wholeheartedly agree and almost feel like some serious thought could go into the idea of providing an altered bonus weighting behind the mod.
In any other case, I still feel that the good outweighs the bad in this situation and it DOES benefit players. Not just that, this practice you talk of can be replicated on a map you love and have patterns you are comfortable with: Simply play the map you love but with the Mirror mod, this way you can get used to patterns involving opposite flow, then apply said practice to maps you aren't so familiar with!
Also, what we DO have to remember is not everyone is as well practiced as you! D'you see where i'm coming from? The idea (while still a concept) surrounding this mod is so versatile!
Would you be able to provide some helpful feedback as to how to adjust the idea to suit its intended function as not just a game-changer but also as a practice tool and a fun alternative mod?
Cheers lewa
I wholeheartedly agree and almost feel like some serious thought could go into the idea of providing an altered bonus weighting behind the mod.
In any other case, I still feel that the good outweighs the bad in this situation and it DOES benefit players. Not just that, this practice you talk of can be replicated on a map you love and have patterns you are comfortable with: Simply play the map you love but with the Mirror mod, this way you can get used to patterns involving opposite flow, then apply said practice to maps you aren't so familiar with!
Also, what we DO have to remember is not everyone is as well practiced as you! D'you see where i'm coming from? The idea (while still a concept) surrounding this mod is so versatile!
Would you be able to provide some helpful feedback as to how to adjust the idea to suit its intended function as not just a game-changer but also as a practice tool and a fun alternative mod?
Cheers lewa
any advantage you could get from this is from either placebo or just being bad
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Yes! :3
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Supporting, I don't have much trouble with hitting corners or flowing in certain directions, but the idea of "refreshing" my memory of a map sounds interesting.
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Supporting, I don't have much trouble with hitting corners or flowing in certain directions, but the idea of "refreshing" my memory of a map sounds interesting.
I support this if unranked. Not if otherwise. This works well in 2 case scenarios:
1) You want to play a different "version" of the map you like.
2) You are lazy to learn how to deal with your weak spots.
Also, I feel that if a mapped made a pattern this way or the other one, it is meant to be like that, and as much as HR changes that, it also increases several other difficulty factors.
So on top of this suggestion:
I'd add this feature to Hard-Rock instead, where you can choose to invert the map horizontally or vertically. I'm against this if it's a new ranked mod or not HR implementation.
1) You want to play a different "version" of the map you like.
2) You are lazy to learn how to deal with your weak spots.
Also, I feel that if a mapped made a pattern this way or the other one, it is meant to be like that, and as much as HR changes that, it also increases several other difficulty factors.
So on top of this suggestion:
I'd add this feature to Hard-Rock instead, where you can choose to invert the map horizontally or vertically. I'm against this if it's a new ranked mod or not HR implementation.
Hard Rock's increase of other difficulty factors is a big part of what makes it unattractive for this. Not everyone wants the whole bundle!
As for the "maps meant to be like that" argument, we've already got a far more damaging mod in the form of osu!mania's Random mod.
As for the "maps meant to be like that" argument, we've already got a far more damaging mod in the form of osu!mania's Random mod.
So, if Hard-rock module is unatractive to this, you are basically saying that you want something that makes the game easier and more convenient. Ok, make it a <1.0x mod then.
This isn't a step down in difficulty. It's a step to the side. It is exactly the same map, but flipped. There is no reason this should be anything but x1.0.Heinzen wrote:
So, if Hard-rock module is unatractive to this, you are basically saying that you want something that makes the game easier and more convenient. Ok, make it a <1.0x mod then.
I should also note that this is a usability request. It's about comfort. It's akin to a left-handed person asking for some lefty scissors. Though I support it also because it sounds fun.
Unranked mod, solely meant to practice very unusual patterns. HR is not ranked in mania either.Soaprman wrote:
Hard Rock's increase of other difficulty factors is a big part of what makes it unattractive for this. Not everyone wants the whole bundle!
As for the "maps meant to be like that" argument, we've already got a far more damaging mod in the form of osu!mania's Random mod.
I'd love to see this implemented for o!m as well, as an unranked mod, obviously.
Topic Starter
The feedback here is great, I'm starting to see how practical this mod can be even if it was implemented x0.00
Back when I mapped, I always intended for patterns to be played a certain way using the right hand.
So what happens when somebody uses their left hand to aim? Why, certain things that I intended to be natural come out as awkward. Flicks of the wrist become withdrawing motions, inward motions become outward motions, and so on. I wanted the player to move their mouse or pen in a specific way, not to a specific location. In order for the map to play to the left-handed players the way I intended it to play then you would have to flip the map from left-to-right.
So naturally, I support a mod that does just that.Yes, my maps sucked but that's besides the point.
So what happens when somebody uses their left hand to aim? Why, certain things that I intended to be natural come out as awkward. Flicks of the wrist become withdrawing motions, inward motions become outward motions, and so on. I wanted the player to move their mouse or pen in a specific way, not to a specific location. In order for the map to play to the left-handed players the way I intended it to play then you would have to flip the map from left-to-right.
So naturally, I support a mod that does just that.
Finally some thought about us lefties o/Raiku wrote:
(wont somebody PLEASE think of the lefties!)
Support!
This is a fantastic idea. I wish this can be implemented soon.. I need this
I have never felt like I had more trouble with any pattern based off the direction it's going in, but support anyway! :3
This adds another pointless mod to the game. That's my compelling argument not to have this.
Looks like my opinion is the minority.
Looks like my opinion is the minority.
i dont see a reason for this mod either other than an unranked mod. you're basically looking for a way around practicing.
being able to play patterns both ways is also a skill. at best it would be similar to spunout.
being able to play patterns both ways is also a skill. at best it would be similar to spunout.
Just as a quick thought, even if it makes one part easier, what of the rest of the map since some notes that were placed in easy spots for the play might be put into awkward spots after flipping? I say most of the maps will fall into this specific case, very few will turn actually harder or easier than they already are.
But I would support this even as unranked, this way I can at least play online without counting as a ranked play.
But I would support this even as unranked, this way I can at least play online without counting as a ranked play.
It can be used to avoid practice but it can likewise be used for practicing. I am indifferent to the mod but if it is implemented I agree that it should be unranked.
Neutral standpoint. If the mod could have more practical uses outside of the OP's argument or could have another difficulty factor added (such as hitting your cursor on the opposite side of the screen that the circles appear on) then I would consider supporting
Neutral standpoint. If the mod could have more practical uses outside of the OP's argument or could have another difficulty factor added (such as hitting your cursor on the opposite side of the screen that the circles appear on) then I would consider supporting
Topic Starter
agree agree agree, this can be added as an unranked mod purely for the fun aspect that we all need, and ill reiterate on another point: its not just a way around practice, but a form of practice itself.
I wouldn't try and pull the practice card. peppy doesn't want a practice mode.
Too much controversy for 1.0x score mod, reduced score mod or unranked is the only options I think.
Honestly, this would be a non-issue if mappers took a cue from iNiS style. The entire point of mirroring patterns is that the map is fair for both righties and lefties. Ouendan/EBA did this and osu!stream does this, because touch-based devices make it equally likely that either hand is used.
The case for not worrying about hand fairness in osu! is the fact that, even with natural lefties, the mouse is still on the right side. This is fine, but then the lefties are still stuck. A universal lefty/righty option could be an interesting addition to the game, since we probably aren't going to see frequent copypaste becoming popular any time soon. We have a lot of maps which are rotated slightly, in order to favour right-handed mouse usage by complementing the arc of the player's forearm. I like the fact that somebody's actually considering the accessibility of maps, as this kind of thinking can help novices, who won't necessarily commit to a game which makes them struggle.
If all else fails, go into the editor, hit ctrl+A and then hit ctrl+H to flip the whole map horizontally. This obviously won't be useful when playing for ranks, but it'll work just fine when playing for fun.
The case for not worrying about hand fairness in osu! is the fact that, even with natural lefties, the mouse is still on the right side. This is fine, but then the lefties are still stuck. A universal lefty/righty option could be an interesting addition to the game, since we probably aren't going to see frequent copypaste becoming popular any time soon. We have a lot of maps which are rotated slightly, in order to favour right-handed mouse usage by complementing the arc of the player's forearm. I like the fact that somebody's actually considering the accessibility of maps, as this kind of thinking can help novices, who won't necessarily commit to a game which makes them struggle.
If all else fails, go into the editor, hit ctrl+A and then hit ctrl+H to flip the whole map horizontally. This obviously won't be useful when playing for ranks, but it'll work just fine when playing for fun.