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Why can some notes from a perfectly normal track seem to be aligned on absurd beat scales?

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nphuracm
Just for reference, I'm mapping Thaehan - Yuujou, 196 bpm @ 148ms offset. I took the pre-timed OSZ from the FA page directly, so I have full faith in the accuracy of the timing. It's not some "strange" experimental track so I generally expect its notes to be snapped on reasonable scales.
Well, things did not turn out as how I'd expected them to be. I found some recurring audio cues which timing seems to have subtle discrepancies against the whole track's timing scheme. While snapping corresponding objects to 1/4 is generally sufficient for most other ones, I can't get the hitsounds of the objects to sound right on these cues if I stick to 1/4. I had to snap them to 1/3 or even 1/6 scale, or, as if that was not enough, I may have to move a series of objects on 1/12 (!) scale to make me feel that they are perfectly aligned to that part of the music.
...I don't think that's right. I have checked and tried changing my universal offset but no avail. I also adjusted the initial timing point's offset with the "Move already placed notes" option disabled but that just makes the objects that already sound perfectly aligned go wrong.
Is there anything else I can do about this or should I just ignore those and just ensure that every note is aligned to reasonable divisors so it does not get fucked up for any reason?
If required, I can provide some further information regarding the situation, albeit specific to this track and map.
Jason X
Could you give us some timestamps of the positions you mean?
This way we can look at at where he poblem lies instead of having to search.

For this simply open the editor, go to the specific point where the problem occurs and press ctrl + c, then simply paste it into the reply here in the forum.


Already found your map: beatmapsets/2100799
There are "bursts" at certain points in the song, like at 00:27:545 - for example, these are indeed supposed to be snapped at 1/6 and is not an error, it's just the way the song goes.

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chnjnz wrote:

I took the pre-timed OSZ from the FA page directly, so I have full faith in the accuracy of the timing.
As it is with everything, there are exceptions, even the templates can be wrong, and for that reason this thread exists, problems with FA templates can be reported there.
In case of this specific map I find the offset of 131 (used in this ranked set) to be more accurate than the templates 148
lewski
looking at the map, I'd say the issue is just that the offset is wrong, which unfortunately isn't out of the ordinary for pretimed FA OSZs

based on some quick testing I'd say the offset needs to be something like 15-20ms earlier (or you could just yoink the audio and timing from one of the two ranked sets of the song)

but also fwiw the song does really have a bit of 1/6 and 1/8 too, that's not a trick of the offset or anything (but it's also not the least bit "absurd" or "experimental")
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