Nightwish - Dead to the World [Osu|Taiko] · forum

Nwolf

Joined September 2012

Nwolf 2014-06-26T14:53:57+00:00

lZenxl wrote:
Mod from quehue

odam
nightwish
many guitar

[Oni]
00:25:085 (99,100,101) - kdd > kdk | I think the pitch rises again on 101? It's rather hard to hear lol snare in drums :>
00:32:274 (147,148,149,150,151,152) - Maybe change all to finishes to differentiate them from the other notes? 00:31:851 (145,146) - don't find them to be important enough for finishers, changed 146 to don instead
00:38:195 (173) - There's a cymbal here you might want to have K or D K
01:00:185 (85) - d > k | Pitch map guitar here lol that's the reason why it is a don goes down from the k
01:48:395 (74,76,77,78) - dkkd > kdkk | This is for the electric guitar in this section mainly followed the drums, there's a snare on 76
02:32:164 (89) - d > k | For the guitar starts lower on this note :> (and changing the patterns a little bit)
02:56:058 - Maybe emphasize the guitars here like this? | http://puu.sh/9JdTG/607d7a7105.png 131 132 135 136 are Finishes don't like that
02:57:750 - Same here
02:59:652 (154,156,157,160) - dkdd > kdkk | It fits the guitar better imo no
03:39:192 (10,11) - d > D | Having finishes here makes it more intense imo changed
04:02:663 (123) - Missed a finish here? the notes here weren't as emphasized as before so I first didn't have one here, but added
04:09:429 (169) - ^ ^

- Addition/Deletion of notes

01:35:709 - Maybe add a k note here for guitar and change the previous note to k also? | This is for the guitar in this section slightly remapped instead for more consistency (woo)
01:55:055 (106) - Remove | This gives more impact to 01:55:161 (107) - gon
03:02:190 - Add 2 finishes here in 1/2 Succesion? | D and K for the guitar wut

[Muzu]
02:26:244 (20,21,22) - Change to k | I think this pitch should use k triplet instead of d ddd kkk ddd
03:07:899 (17) - k > d | I don't think a k is needed here changed
04:02:664 (99) - d > D | Not sure if you accidentally missed this finish here ( according to the finish patterns )
04:09:430 (130) - ^ changed both

00:33:120 - I don't think a break is suitable here, I suggest to add a d instead | The instruments here are rather strong would be too long : /

Nothing else orz, good luck owo/

thanks^^

Muzu
Oni

wasonz

714 posts

Joined July 2013

wasonz 2014-07-01T12:13:53+00:00

NWolf's Muzukashii

00:24:240 (68) - d
03:57:589 (78) - d

NWolf's Oni

00:31:640 (144) - k
01:17:312 (188,189,190) - Ctrl+G

Great Taiko GD

Good luck ~!!

Nwolf

2,604 posts

Joined September 2012

Nwolf 2014-07-01T13:35:06+00:00

[I]MMoRTal[S] wrote:
NWolf's Muzukashii
00:24:240 (68) - d is always double kat, also snare .-.
03:57:589 (78) - d changed

NWolf's Oni
00:31:640 (144) - k don't like it
01:17:312 (188,189,190) - Ctrl+G changed 01:17:736 (189) - to don instead, fits better and has the same effect as what you suggested

Great Taiko GD

Good luck ~!!

thanks!

http://puu.sh/9S8ig/d871ffa544.osu muzu
http://puu.sh/9S8iv/0623dd531c.osu oni

Secretpipe

3,316 posts

Joined December 2012

Secretpipe 2014-07-02T20:40:26+00:00

I'll mod it someday

AlexaBM

755 posts

Joined March 2013

AlexaBM 2014-07-07T07:06:52+00:00

hi~ Nightwish <3
[General]

What's about the Kiai times? Why not to add some?

[Easy]

00:10:284 (2) - Make this slider like this?
00:17:050 (1) - Move the end to x:299 y:80
00:25:931 (2) - smth like this?
04:07:527 (2,2,2) - I'm not really sure about it it's a bit hard for beginners. Maybe just delete it and fix the spacing?
04:15:139 (1,2) - Same as above. I don't like stacking notes in Easy diffs, so I suggest to change it to slider.

[Sieg's Normal]

00:12:399 (1,2,3) - Сделай равносторонний треугольник?
00:24:451 (5,1) - (нази) Бланкет можно немного улучшить с:
00:31:217 (5,1) - ^
00:44:116 (1) - Оттяни первую белую точку на x:132 y:344 или примерно так для бланкета с 00:43:693 (5) -
01:16:044 (4) - Может как-то так? Лично я не люблю, когда вот так флоу ломается :с
01:28:096 (1) - Ситуация: новичок, быстрый спиннер, следующий объект далеко от центра. Не очень приятная ситуация, если честно. Начни (1) поближе к центру. Или как-нибудь еще, подумай над этим моментом.
02:18:843 (8,1) - Поменяй местами НК
02:22:227 (1,2,3) - Тут совсем чуточку подправить до правильного треугольника.
02:27:090 (4,5) - (нази) Бланкет можно подправить немного.
02:59:441 (1,2) - ^

[Hard]

01:01:666 (5) - Move it to x:304 y:244
01:28:731 (5,6) - Fix that overlap, it could be better
01:53:470 (7) - Add NC here.
02:07:532 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Personally I dislike that moment, maybe change it to 1/4 sliders?
02:16:729 (4,5,6) - Bad overlap, stack it better?
03:46:805 (1,2,3) - Make a perfect triangle?

[Shiro's Insane]
First of all I want to mention that Shiro is cute \:D/

HP Drain - +1-2?
00:17:050 (1) - You have some points that doesn't change almost anything. Maybe make smth like this?
02:13:769 (7,10) - Fix the blanket.

[Insane]

03:12:762 (9,1,2) - Make a perfect triangle?

Good luck!

Luvdic

2,113 posts

Joined July 2009

Topic Starter

Luvdic 2014-07-07T08:02:28+00:00

AlexaBM wrote:
Mod Post!

Almost everything done, except some slider changes, and the stacked stuff in easy as well, for which I admit that I have to find play tests to see how hard they really are. (Also the make perfect triangles, since Im not sure if they are perfect or not yet lol)

Also, the kiai thing, I already have them on my diffs, if the other mappers doesnt want to, I wont force them to

And thanks a lot for the mod!

Sieg

3,981 posts

Joined February 2012

Sieg 2014-07-09T08:05:33+00:00

AlexaBM wrote:
[Sieg's Normal]
00:12:399 (1,2,3) - Сделай равносторонний треугольник?
подправил что-то
00:24:451 (5,1) - (нази) Бланкет можно немного улучшить с:
ага
00:31:217 (5,1) - ^
^
00:44:116 (1) - Оттяни первую белую точку на x:132 y:344 или примерно так для бланкета с 00:43:693 (5) -
окай
01:16:044 (4) - Может как-то так? Лично я не люблю, когда вот так флоу ломается :с
поделись скином
01:28:096 (1) - Ситуация: новичок, быстрый спиннер, следующий объект далеко от центра. Не очень приятная ситуация, если честно. Начни (1) поближе к центру. Или как-нибудь еще, подумай над этим моментом.
даа, подучаю, но там мало что можно сделать
02:18:843 (8,1) - Поменяй местами НК
не уверен
02:22:227 (1,2,3) - Тут совсем чуточку подправить до правильного треугольника.
ага
02:27:090 (4,5) - (нази) Бланкет можно подправить немного
да.
02:59:441 (1,2) - ^

спасибо

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446,62,222365,2,0,L|326:45,1,120,4|8,0:0|0:3,0:0:0:0:
256,60,222999,2,0,B|257:89|257:89|254:105|254:105|256:135,1,60,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,156,223422,2,0,L|72:139,1,120,12|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
76,66,224057,2,0,L|151:76,1,60,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
110,215,224691,1,8,0:0:0:0:
87,357,225114,5,8,0:0:0:0:
157,345,225325,2,0,L|253:329,2,90,8|8|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
87,357,226171,1,0,0:0:0:0:
16,368,226382,1,8,0:0:0:0:
110,258,226805,6,0,P|194:243|242:161,2,180,12|4|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
249,294,228497,2,0,P|301:229|311:134,2,180,12|4|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
111,250,230188,6,0,L|90:123,1,120,12|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
143,181,230822,2,0,P|154:101|248:48,1,180,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
290,180,231879,1,8,0:3:0:0:
290,180,232302,1,8,0:0:0:0:
431,153,232725,1,8,0:3:0:0:
431,153,233148,1,8,0:0:0:0:
287,144,233571,6,0,L|268:262,1,120,12|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
333,227,234205,2,0,P|312:310|352:388,2,150,4|8|12,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
401,100,235685,1,8,0:0:0:0:
401,100,235897,2,0,P|342:66|282:66,1,120,4|8,0:0|0:3,0:0:0:0:
220,79,236531,2,0,P|179:85|144:74,1,60,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
88,78,236955,2,0,L|97:209,1,120,12|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
135,257,237588,2,0,L|141:328,1,60,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,230,238223,1,8,0:0:0:0:
256,192,238646,12,8,239914,0:0:0:0:
467,113,240338,6,0,P|425:70|350:67,1,120,10|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
304,28,240972,2,0,P|366:80|352:186,1,180,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
341,315,242030,2,0,P|406:364|505:327,2,180,2|2|10,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
226,228,243721,6,0,P|168:214|103:253,1,120,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
43,245,244355,2,0,P|124:254|170:351,1,180,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
205,193,245412,2,0,P|137:173|95:134,1,120,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
12,27,246258,1,0,0:0:0:0:
12,27,246681,1,8,0:0:0:0:
155,43,247104,6,0,L|298:67,1,120,2|10,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
240,129,247739,2,0,L|96:104,1,120,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
51,95,248373,1,10,0:0:0:0:
128,216,248796,1,2,0:0:0:0:
256,280,249218,1,8,0:0:0:0:
256,207,249430,2,0,B|254:158|254:158|257:124|257:124|256:83,1,120,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
295,27,250064,2,0,P|328:36|372:21,1,60,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
424,41,250487,2,0,P|432:101|477:135,1,120,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
404,128,251122,2,0,L|410:205,1,60,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
417,331,251756,1,10,0:0:0:0:
285,272,252179,6,0,P|269:230|269:176,2,90,10|8|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
219,301,253025,2,0,P|170:269|93:285,1,120,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
34,152,253870,1,12,0:0:0:0:
303,93,255139,5,8,0:0:0:0:
303,93,255350,1,12,0:0:0:0:

Myxo

osu! Alumni

3,103 posts

Joined December 2012

Myxo 2014-07-16T15:49:33+00:00

General

Maybe you'd want to add your old username to the tags as well? Because people may still recognize you under that name. But since your other newer maps don't have it as well, I suppose the answer is no.

Easy

I'd probably go with OD1, since this diff involves quite heavy tapping, especially at the end 04:00:761 (2,3).
You were ignoring the stanza sometimes in this diff, which is bad, because the most emphasized beats should be clickable, in order to emphasize them even more. Here's a list of beats where it would sound much better if either a slider started at those beats or a circle is placed there:
1. 00:28:891 - Solution: http://puu.sh/adFth/42e576424d.jpg
2. 01:55:162 - Solution: http://puu.sh/adFO7/aacf36ee5a.jpg
3. 02:32:376 - Solution: http://puu.sh/adG70/288e26c76f.jpg
4. 03:53:571 - Solution: http://puu.sh/adG2v/31f639fe77.jpg
00:08:381 (1) - This sounds strange, because you mapped this beat, but not the following one 00:08:593. They obviously belong together and newbies will get very confused when they have to click once but hear two loud beats in the music. I recommend you this rhythm: http://puu.sh/adF6u/536b67a843.jpg
00:12:609 (1) - This would sound better when it ends at the downbeat at 00:15:359. You have to decide between three emphasized beats here, and I'd definitely choose the downbeat because it's the one where newbies will expect it to end.
00:17:050 (1,2,1) - Minor - At the moment this transition feels a bit bad, so I'd recommend you to curve the first slider the other way around, so you get something like this: http://puu.sh/adFlI/617a871c9c.jpg
00:25:508 (1,2) - Any reason for lower spacing here? Same applies to 01:38:246 (1)
01:01:454 (2,3,4) - This transition plays rather awkward, because it's unnatural to move down after the slider, as you create a clockwise oval-movement with this placement 01:01:031 (1,2). A nice solution would be to move (3) and (4), so you have a more straight transition between (2) and (3): http://puu.sh/adGsX/08133ee696.jpg
01:16:255 - This beat feels like it shouldn't be ignored, since there is a relatively loud cymbal sound there. Change 01:14:987 (3) to this rhythm to fix it: http://puu.sh/adFFC/3ce1a4c867.jpg
01:34:863 (4) - This combo currently covers a huge time compared to your other combos, so it might be a good idea to NC this object. Same applies to 01:48:395 (4)
04:13:870 (2,1) - I'd swap NCs for those, since he sings the final "Dead to the World" here 04:13:870 (2,1,2) without any background instruments, so it would be kinda cool to have these in one combo.
04:15:139 (2,3) - This is probably really hard to read for the newbies, because you have a 3/2-gap before. If they misread it as an 1/1-gap, they will have no chance here. That's why I would change these circles into this rhythm http://puu.sh/adGf5/b79031d5fb.jpg - Because you don't have to click accurately on a slider compared to circles.
Overall, very nice Easy! I like how you break the flow a little when you want to emphasize beats, that's good. It's not the mainstream wonderful smooth flow that you see in every second map :3 It's cool that you made it harder at the end of the diff, but only when you change the OD as I mentioned in my mod.

Sieg's Normal

00:05:209 to 00:18:742 - This section feels completely weird rhythm-wise. The most emphasized notes in this section go like this all the way http://puu.sh/adQFb/afce0f059a.jpg as you can probably hear (and also see in the Insane diffs). This is relatively unmappable for a Normal diff, so I highly recommend you to apply something simple like at the Hard or Easy diff, because your current rhythm really sounds weird.
00:10:073 - If you didn't fix the above point, which I don't hope, then you should atleast add a note here. The 3/2-gap you created here feels very unintuitive.
00:24:451 (5) - This is a must-fix. It sounds really awkward. I just don't understand what you were following with this slider. 00:24:663 + 00:25:085 are the most emphasized beats around here, so a rhythm like this would work much better: http://puu.sh/adR7E/def4aa7aad.jpg Same applies for 00:31:217 (5)
00:33:966 (3) - This object marks the beginning of a new section in the song and should definitely have NC.
00:36:504 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Overall, this is way too difficult for a Normal diff. Even if this one is supposed to be hard, but such an amount of 1/2-tapping in a row is just cruel for the newbies. Think of something similiar to this: http://puu.sh/adRfJ/602d38e15e.jpg
00:37:349 - The NC should be here instead of at 00:36:504. It fits your NC pattern much better and the combo won't be so long anymore. Remember that very long combos (10+) should be avoided in Normal diffs, because it will cause the newbies to fail as the drain doesn't rise much.
00:49:190 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Sounds a bit empty hitsound-wise, so a clap at 00:49:613 (3) would fit well.
00:50:882 (1,2) - It is really strange that you didn't map those beats 00:51:516 + 00:53:208, since the vocals are very emphasized there! And since you tried to follow vocals with these sldiers (otherwise they wouldn't make much sense), it should definitely be changed. Try this rhythm: http://puu.sh/adTkv/cdb5c59470.jpg Same applies for these 01:04:414 (1,2) of course.
01:09:912 (5) - You've been mainly following vocals with sliders in this section, so this long one sounds very strange. Again I don't see a reason why you decided for this rhythm here, it just makes no sense. A simple 1/1-reverse-slider http://puu.sh/adRzF/5906db9b31.jpg would sound much better and fit with your other rhythms more
01:22:176 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Why did you spam claps in this combo? It seems really random and doesn't sound good. Try to make your hitsounding consistent with the other combos in this section.
01:41:630 (1,2) - Same as 00:50:882 (1,2)
01:47:128 (5) - I think you forgot a clap at the end. Same here 01:52:414 (2)
01:53:470 (3,4) - These might be a problem. Their heads are pretty close to each other, so they might be difficult to read for newbies. It seems to be a more complex movement than you usually used in this difficulty, so it will be better if you change it to something simple, for example: http://puu.sh/adS25/24a7feeb55.jpg
02:02:562 (2) - This rhythm is definitely wrong. It's the most major issue in this diff. There is nothing you would want to map on that blue tick! This would be a correct rhythm: http://puu.sh/adSGt/48c4e44b1e.jpg Same applies for 03:54:205 (2) obviously.
02:05:311 (7) - You should add NC here, to prevent the combo from being too long.
02:09:328 (2,3) - The transition between these sliders plays awkward at the moment. The curvy shape of (2) implies to move up-left, so (3) is placed too far down. In my example http://puu.sh/adSSR/18d135edf8.jpg I rotated (3) a bit and moved it more upwards, which makes a much better transition! You will have to rearrange the following pattern though.
02:20:535 (1,2,3,4) - Once again, pretty weird rhythm. You chose to map this blue tick 02:21:064, although 02:21:169 is much more emphasized. Try out this rhythm, it fits much better: http://puu.sh/adT1B/ca9db31f96.jpg Same applies for 03:45:114 (1,2,3,4)
02:27:936 (5) + 02:34:702 (5) - Same as 00:24:451
02:30:685 (5,6) - This is a pretty weird overlap to be used in a Normal diff. It will likely confuse the newbies! I'd suggest something like this: http://puu.sh/adT8n/d21c78acb3.jpg
02:35:759 to 02:49:292 - In this section, NCing is a bit messed up, which makes some of your combos too long! NCs should only be placed at 02:35:759 + 02:39:142 + 02:42:526 + 02:45:909
02:35:759 (1) - Again, you're missing out emphasized vocals at the red tick, so this would be a better rhythm: http://puu.sh/adTrV/f1ec36ffcd.jpg
02:45:909 (1,2,3,4) - Again, I think these overlaps might confuse newbies. Try to move the sliders more apart, for example: http://puu.sh/adTF0/a84ba51ed3.jpg
03:43:422 (8) + 03:56:955 (6) - These should be NCd as well, to prevent long combos.
It has much potential, but overall, this diff needs much work. Much of the rhythm is not really acceptable / fitting the song. It would've been better not to map blue ticks in this song, as they sometimes make it more complicated than it should be and you are missing other important beats. Often you used long sliders for no real reason, and left out very important beats with them. Another problem is the NCing, as your combos were often too long, but that can be easily fixed. Some of your transitions weren't the best either, but I didn't point everything out because the mod was already very long. Try fixing most of these issues and your difficulty will be really great, for sure!

Hard

I'm a bit worried about the difficulty gap between Hard and the two Insanes, as both Insane are pretty jumpy and this Hard doesn't contain any jumps. In fact, your jumps in the Insane diff are so huge, so I'd have expected atleast some simple sliderjumps in the Hard diff as well. You should really consider to implement some, if you want to improve the spread. Nothing major though, I think.
00:18:742 (1,2) - Here you started so nicely with 1,0x 1/4-spacing, but then starting at 00:20:434 you used 1,3x for 1/4. Such high 1/4-spacing can play really uncomfortable, especially in a Hard diff. Again, it's nothing you have to change, as it would also mean to rearrange many patterns, but you could try to make it consistent atleast.
01:02:300 (1,2,3,4) - The movement in this pattern feels a bit cramped. After this transition 01:01:666 (5,1), you wouldn't expect to move to the right like this to reach 01:02:723 (2) and after that you even have to move backwards to get to 01:03:146 (3). I can't explain this well, but try to make something more dynamic.
01:49:030 (2,3,4,5) - Don't use stacks like this in Hard diffs. It will likely confuse players that a 1/4-triplet is stacked again on a 1/2-circle. Moving them apart would also play much better
01:52:413 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - You know how cruel extensive 1/2-tapping like this can be for Hard players? It's not a must-fix, but I'd atleast include some sliders.
Overall, great Hard! The flow is flawless, as well as the rhythm! Except the high 1/4-spacing I'm fully satisfied :b

Shiro's Insane

Don't you think 100% of volume is a bit too much? If you lower every volume by 15-20% it will sound less noisy
00:12:399 (1) - I think it would be more natural to end it at 00:15:359. You have to decide between three emphasized beats here, and I'd definitely choose the downbeat because it's the one where most players will expect it to end.
00:17:050 (1) - Umm... Minor, but this slidershape looks kind of random and not really appealing. I know you can make awesome slidershapes (from other maps), so I'm sure you can think of something better here :b
01:01:877 (4,5,6,1) - The flow seems to break here a little bit. After the jump from (5) to (6) I didn't expect to slow down and move more upwards into the direction of (1). The major problem here is the slow-down, so it would be great if you could move (6) so that the distance between (5) - (6) - (1) is equal. http://puu.sh/adWpj/91bde96313.jpg
01:52:201 (2,3,4) - Again, slowing-down linearly plays weird for me. It's just not intuitive after a jump. Again, the simplest solution would be something like this http://puu.sh/adWKG/d28c5537bd.jpg , but you can probably think of a better pattern Same applies for 01:53:047 (5,6,1)
03:40:039 (1,2,3) - The flow can be improved here. After (1) and (2), it feels weird to jump so far to the left to reach (3) and then even change the direction of movement. In my opinion, something like this would be a good solution: http://puu.sh/adX57/2e4b8e2776.jpg
04:00:338 - Okay, here you went crazy lol xD
Good, as always! What I also said to your other guest diff I modded recently... It's great that you are putting much thought into your mapping, one can clearly see that! Also, I love your symmetry patterns like this 00:32:275 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11), it's simple made, but it's still fairly unique for some reason.

Insane

01:06:740 (6) - After the HUGE back-and-forth jumppattern this would REALLY play better with a smoother flow, aka curving the slider the other way around like this: http://puu.sh/adXFC/f25a3f4a51.jpg
01:29:788 - This is a very emphasized beat and therefore it should be clickable. Try to use this rhythm: http://puu.sh/adXKU/9281483977.jpg
02:06:897 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Minor, but it would be cool if you ctrl+g both 02:07:531 (1,2) and 02:07:848 (3,4). It would improve the structure of this pattern, since the doubles would always head away from the middle of the screen.
02:45:909 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - Finally players will learn how to read approach circles + NCs lol... No, it's a cool pattern :3
02:51:829 (3,4,5,6) - It's pretty weird to have those sliders start on the blue tick, since the player has to click on the blue tick then. Try to make them start on the white and red ticks, for example with this rhythm: http://puu.sh/adY20/a59643671e.jpg Same applies for 02:58:913 (1,2,3)
03:24:815 (5,1,2,3,4) - Hmm, I don't know what to think about this. It doesn't seem to fit the map very well. I feel something like this http://puu.sh/adYiR/0114fb7e74.jpg (having higher spacing and sort of a curve) while still decreasing spacing would be better, but it's minor.
GG that you managed to create an almost-5-star Insane for 142 BPM without huge streamjumps and without making it feel overdone. This diff is so amazing, especially the kiai-parts and the calm section! I can see it coming that many people will complain again (like with your Xanandra map), for example that the jumps are too huge and not really fitting the music, or it has too much 1/4, or that the flow is bad or something like that. Please, don't listen to that shit and rank it with this style!

Overall, really enjoyable mapset! I feel that Hard and the two Insanes are almost ready, Easy follows. The Normal needs some more work though, but I already mentioned that in my little review at the end.
Good luck! ^-^

EDIT: Here you have my last 5 stars lol.

Last edited by Myxo 2014-07-16T15:53:38+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Mao

Elite Mapper II

2,963 posts

Joined December 2012

Mao 2014-07-16T15:50:12+00:00

This is too awesome <3
Take some Stars~

Luvdic

2,113 posts

Joined July 2009

Topic Starter

Luvdic 2014-07-16T17:20:16+00:00

Boxed because its so long!

Desperate-kun wrote:

General
Maybe you'd want to add your old username to the tags as well? Because people may still recognize you under that name. But since your other newer maps don't have it as well, I suppose the answer is no.
:(

Easy
I'd probably go with OD1, since this diff involves quite heavy tapping, especially at the end 04:00:761 (2,3).
Ok
You were ignoring the stanza sometimes in this diff, which is bad, because the most emphasized beats should be clickable, in order to emphasize them even more. Here's a list of beats where it would sound much better if either a slider started at those beats or a circle is placed there:
00:28:891 - Solution: http://puu.sh/adFth/42e576424d.jpg
01:55:162 - Solution: http://puu.sh/adFO7/aacf36ee5a.jpg
02:32:376 - Solution: http://puu.sh/adG70/288e26c76f.jpg
03:53:571 - Solution: http://puu.sh/adG2v/31f639fe77.jpg
Ok
00:08:381 (1) - This sounds strange, because you mapped this beat, but not the following one 00:08:593. They obviously belong together and newbies will get very confused when they have to click once but hear two loud beats in the music. I recommend you this rhythm: http://puu.sh/adF6u/536b67a843.jpg
This is fine, granted that I had only 2 test plays for this diff, but this part seemed to be played fine.
00:12:609 (1) - This would sound better when it ends at the downbeat at 00:15:359. You have to decide between three emphasized beats here, and I'd definitely choose the downbeat because it's the one where newbies will expect it to end.
This is done so it's more consistent with what I did in 00:08:381 (1) - and that is mapping only to the first beat, since they will hear it, and will hit, not wait until the downbeat
00:17:050 (1,2,1) - Minor - At the moment this transition feels a bit bad, so I'd recommend you to curve the first slider the other way around, so you get something like this: http://puu.sh/adFlI/617a871c9c.jpg
It feels fine more me, in any case, it should need a bit more of curve in the same direction, for which I applied now lol.
00:25:508 (1,2) - Any reason for lower spacing here? Same applies to 01:38:246 (1)
My bad, sorry, and thanks!
01:01:454 (2,3,4) - This transition plays rather awkward, because it's unnatural to move down after the slider, as you create a clockwise oval-movement with this placement 01:01:031 (1,2). A nice solution would be to move (3) and (4), so you have a more straight transition between (2) and (3): http://puu.sh/adGsX/08133ee696.jpg
Totally intended it to be this way
01:16:255 - This beat feels like it shouldn't be ignored, since there is a relatively loud cymbal sound there. Change 01:14:987 (3) to this rhythm to fix it: http://puu.sh/adFFC/3ce1a4c867.jpg
Ok
01:34:863 (4) - This combo currently covers a huge time compared to your other combos, so it might be a good idea to NC this object. Same applies to 01:48:395 (4)
04:13:870 (2,1) - I'd swap NCs for those, since he sings the final "Dead to the World" here 04:13:870 (2,1,2) without any background instruments, so it would be kinda cool to have these in one combo.
Ok
04:15:139 (2,3) - This is probably really hard to read for the newbies, because you have a 3/2-gap before. If they misread it as an 1/1-gap, they will have no chance here. That's why I would change these circles into this rhythm http://puu.sh/adGf5/b79031d5fb.jpg - Because you don't have to click accurately on a slider compared to circles.
Ok
Overall, very nice Easy! I like how you break the flow a little when you want to emphasize beats, that's good. It's not the mainstream wonderful smooth flow that you see in every second map :3 It's cool that you made it harder at the end of the diff, but only when you change the OD as I mentioned in my mod.
Thanks!, glad you like it

Hard
I'm a bit worried about the difficulty gap between Hard and the two Insanes, as both Insane are pretty jumpy and this Hard doesn't contain any jumps. In fact, your jumps in the Insane diff are so huge, so I'd have expected atleast some simple sliderjumps in the Hard diff as well. You should really consider to implement some, if you want to improve the spread. Nothing major though, I think.
I was actually worried that my hard was a bit too hard, but lets see for more opinions
00:18:742 (1,2) - Here you started so nicely with 1,0x 1/4-spacing, but then starting at 00:20:434 you used 1,3x for 1/4. Such high 1/4-spacing can play really uncomfortable, especially in a Hard diff. Again, it's nothing you have to change, as it would also mean to rearrange many patterns, but you could try to make it consistent atleast.
Actually its my mistake, and it should be 1,3 thanks for noticing, and fixed.
01:02:300 (1,2,3,4) - The movement in this pattern feels a bit cramped. After this transition 01:01:666 (5,1), you wouldn't expect to move to the right like this to reach 01:02:723 (2) and after that you even have to move backwards to get to 01:03:146 (3). I can't explain this well, but try to make something more dynamic.
Yeah... not really understanding what you mean, but I can say that making it kinda cramped was my intention, as can be seen at 01:38:880 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
01:49:030 (2,3,4,5) - Don't use stacks like this in Hard diffs. It will likely confuse players that a 1/4-triplet is stacked again on a 1/2-circle. Moving them apart would also play much better
Hahaha was something I meant to change, but forgot.
01:52:413 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - You know how cruel extensive 1/2-tapping like this can be for Hard players? It's not a must-fix, but I'd atleast include some sliders.
I know, its kinda intentional
Overall, great Hard! The flow is flawless, as well as the rhythm! Except the high 1/4-spacing I'm fully satisfied :b

Shiro's Insane

Not meaning to barge into Shiro's diff, but I believe that he fixed something related to hitsounds volume, and now I feel guilty that I might have messed up something with his diff...

[list:1337]
Insane
01:06:740 (6) - After the HUGE back-and-forth jumppattern this would REALLY play better with a smoother flow, aka curving the slider the other way around like this: http://puu.sh/adXFC/f25a3f4a51.jpg
I like the way it is curved right now :'(
01:29:788 - This is a very emphasized beat and therefore it should be clickable. Try to use this rhythm: http://puu.sh/adXKU/9281483977.jpg
Ok, you win, but did a slightly different thing
02:06:897 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Minor, but it would be cool if you ctrl+g both 02:07:531 (1,2) and 02:07:848 (3,4). It would improve the structure of this pattern, since the doubles would always head away from the middle of the screen.
Intended to be this way
02:45:909 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - Finally players will learn how to read approach circles + NCs lol... No, it's a cool pattern :3
Yay, finally someone understands me, and to defend more this pattern, you could see this as a stream, and yet some people no matter what will always get some 100s unless you have completely mastered it, so this kind of pattern its fine for an insane.
02:51:829 (3,4,5,6) - It's pretty weird to have those sliders start on the blue tick, since the player has to click on the blue tick then. Try to make them start on the white and red ticks, for example with this rhythm: http://puu.sh/adY20/a59643671e.jpg Same applies for 02:58:913 (1,2,3)
Due to popular demand, did something slightly different
03:24:815 (5,1,2,3,4) - Hmm, I don't know what to think about this. It doesn't seem to fit the map very well. I feel something like this http://puu.sh/adYiR/0114fb7e74.jpg (having higher spacing and sort of a curve) while still decreasing spacing would be better, but it's minor.
I want to do a curve, but in the end, I decided that theres to little amount of notes to do a nice curve, although I could try using a higher initial spacing (Yes, decreasing spacing is something I want to keep) Well, let me think more about it and wait for more opinions
GG that you managed to create an almost-5-star Insane for 142 BPM without huge streamjumps and without making it feel overdone. This diff is so amazing, especially the kiai-parts and the calm section! I can see it coming that many people will complain again (like with your Xanandra map), for example that the jumps are too huge and not really fitting the music, or it has too much 1/4, or that the flow is bad or something like that. Please, don't listen to that shit and rank it with this style!
Will try, and thanks

Overall, really enjoyable mapset! I feel that Hard and the two Insanes are almost ready, Easy follows. The Normal needs some more work though, but I already mentioned that in my little review at the end.
Good luck! ^-^

EDIT: Here you have my last 5 stars lol.

Thanks a lot for the mod!

And also for the stars, glad you guys like it!

Sieg

3,981 posts

Joined February 2012

Sieg 2014-07-16T20:55:36+00:00

Desperate-kun wrote:
Sieg's Normal

00:05:209 to 00:18:742 - This section feels completely weird rhythm-wise. The most emphasized notes in this section go like this all the way http://puu.sh/adQFb/afce0f059a.jpg as you can probably hear (and also see in the Insane diffs). This is relatively unmappable for a Normal diff, so I highly recommend you to apply something simple like at the Hard or Easy diff, because your current rhythm really sounds weird.
i don't really see how this rhythm is wrong

00:10:073 - If you didn't fix the above point, which I don't hope, then you should atleast add a note here. The 3/2-gap you created here feels very unintuitive.
nope, it's not

00:24:451 (5) - This is a must-fix. It sounds really awkward. I just don't understand what you were following with this slider. 00:24:663 + 00:25:085 are the most emphasized beats around here, so a rhythm like this would work much better: http://puu.sh/adR7E/def4aa7aad.jpg Same applies for 00:31:217 (5)
while i see both variants are acceptable, i prefer to keep

00:33:966 (3) - This object marks the beginning of a new section in the song and should definitely have NC.
00:32:275 (1) - marks not 00:33:966 (3)

00:36:504 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Overall, this is way too difficult for a Normal diff. Even if this one is supposed to be hard, but such an amount of 1/2-tapping in a row is just cruel for the newbies. Think of something similiar to this: http://puu.sh/adRfJ/602d38e15e.jpg
song is so slow, this is maybe a bit complicated than your average normal but still normal

00:37:349 - The NC should be here instead of at 00:36:504. It fits your NC pattern much better and the combo won't be so long anymore. Remember that very long combos (10+) should be avoided in Normal diffs, because it will cause the newbies to fail as the drain doesn't rise much.
rhythm wise to keep nc on 00:36:504 (1) -, also it fits new pattern

00:49:190 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Sounds a bit empty hitsound-wise, so a clap at 00:49:613 (3) would fit well.
fixed

00:50:882 (1,2) - It is really strange that you didn't map those beats 00:51:516 + 00:53:208, since the vocals are very emphasized there! And since you tried to follow vocals with these sldiers (otherwise they wouldn't make much sense), it should definitely be changed. Try this rhythm: http://puu.sh/adTkv/cdb5c59470.jpg Same applies for these 01:04:414 (1,2) of course.
i prefer to keep them long here to keep variance

01:09:912 (5) - You've been mainly following vocals with sliders in this section, so this long one sounds very strange. Again I don't see a reason why you decided for this rhythm here, it just makes no sense. A simple 1/1-reverse-slider http://puu.sh/adRzF/5906db9b31.jpg would sound much better and fit with your other rhythms more
current way represent lyrics far better

01:22:176 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Why did you spam claps in this combo? It seems really random and doesn't sound good. Try to make your hitsounding consistent with the other combos in this section.
uh, something happened here, fixed

01:41:630 (1,2) - Same as 00:50:882 (1,2)
same

01:47:128 (5) - I think you forgot a clap at the end. Same here 01:52:414 (2)
nope, all fine

01:53:470 (3,4) - These might be a problem. Their heads are pretty close to each other, so they might be difficult to read for newbies. It seems to be a more complex movement than you usually used in this difficulty, so it will be better if you change it to something simple, for example: http://puu.sh/adS25/24a7feeb55.jpg
yeah, that why this is called normal not beginner (:

02:02:562 (2) - This rhythm is definitely wrong. It's the most major issue in this diff. There is nothing you would want to map on that blue tick! This would be a correct rhythm: http://puu.sh/adSGt/48c4e44b1e.jpg Same applies for 03:54:205 (2) obviously.
ugu i know, buut prefer to keep

02:05:311 (7) - You should add NC here, to prevent the combo from being too long.
1,2 combo.... gross

02:09:328 (2,3) - The transition between these sliders plays awkward at the moment. The curvy shape of (2) implies to move up-left, so (3) is placed too far down. In my example http://puu.sh/adSSR/18d135edf8.jpg I rotated (3) a bit and moved it more upwards, which makes a much better transition! You will have to rearrange the following pattern though.
fine as for me

02:20:535 (1,2,3,4) - Once again, pretty weird rhythm. You chose to map this blue tick 02:21:064, although 02:21:169 is much more emphasized. Try out this rhythm, it fits much better: http://puu.sh/adT1B/ca9db31f96.jpg Same applies for 03:45:114 (1,2,3,4)
i can't see what is "much more" emphasized at 02:21:169

02:27:936 (5) + 02:34:702 (5) - Same as 00:24:451
same

02:30:685 (5,6) - This is a pretty weird overlap to be used in a Normal diff. It will likely confuse the newbies! I'd suggest something like this: http://puu.sh/adT8n/d21c78acb3.jpg
no it's not, i did see a tons of that kind in many normals

02:35:759 to 02:49:292 - In this section, NCing is a bit messed up, which makes some of your combos too long! NCs should only be placed at 02:35:759 + 02:39:142 + 02:42:526 + 02:45:909
02:35:759 (1) - Again, you're missing out emphasized vocals at the red tick, so this would be a better rhythm: http://puu.sh/adTrV/f1ec36ffcd.jpg
02:45:909 (1,2,3,4) - Again, I think these overlaps might confuse newbies. Try to move the sliders more apart, for example: http://puu.sh/adTF0/a84ba51ed3.jpg
fine as for me

03:43:422 (8) + 03:56:955 (6) - These should be NCd as well, to prevent long combos.
8 is not too long

It has much potential, but overall, this diff needs much work. Much of the rhythm is not really acceptable / fitting the song. It would've been better not to map blue ticks in this song, as they sometimes make it more complicated than it should be and you are missing other important beats. Often you used long sliders for no real reason, and left out very important beats with them. Another problem is the NCing, as your combos were often too long, but that can be easily fixed. Some of your transitions weren't the best either, but I didn't point everything out because the mod was already very long. Try fixing most of these issues and your difficulty will be really great, for sure![/list][/notice]

thanks (:

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Myxo

osu! Alumni

3,103 posts

Joined December 2012

Myxo 2014-07-17T06:07:51+00:00

Desperate-kun wrote:
@Sieg
If you don't fix those rhythm issues, you will not see this map ranked. (Except you will find some BATs that don't care about rhythm at all)

i don't really see how this rhythm is wrong
The rhythm in the beginning section is wrong because you are missing out so many emphasized beats and you are mapping to ones that aren't really important instead. This section has constant 1/4-rhythm, so you could argue that you could just map on random beats, but that's not correct, or is it? The only emphasized beats often lie on blue ticks and that's why it's rather impossible to create a good rhythm for a Normal diff there. Xanandra also seemed to realized that or he wouldn't have mapped his Hard like that.

00:32:275 (1) - marks not 00:33:966 (3)
No, this measure 00:32:275 is just a transition to the following one. 00:33:966 Here starts the new small section, so a NC should be there, and here 00:37:349 as well. This is important, because this second combo is way too long with 10. I know that small combos don't look good but remember this is a Normal diff. Long combos like that, with many circles, mean that the player will fail when missing some of them in a row.

ugu i know, buut prefer to keep
When you know it, you know that this rhythm is just off. That's not an explanation to keep a wrong rhythm at all.

Thanks for the reply.

Sieg

3,981 posts

Joined February 2012

Sieg 2014-07-17T06:12:33+00:00

they are not issues except 02:02:562 (2)
thanks for reply (:

i'll recheck your mod twice later, but still

...later
well.. tricky tricky song
things getting even worse when you have strictly limitations, e.g. normal or easy
edit:

00:05:209 (1,2) -

what are emphasized here?
1 the very beginning, obvious
1a the very blue end, your suggested slider reverse point
2+ the very second red one, then 2a and 3
let's pretend that we really want to map this on normal, i mean really, so what we do
second obvious fact that we can't hold all emphasized beats on normal, do i need to explain why?

now we go to the mapping, var. with repeat sliders and current way

then we go to what slider is - in general its a thing with emphasized start and weak finish
in my opinion covering 2+ 2a and 3 is a must, that's maybe not an excuse to end slider on white 2 not blue 1a but still limitations of normal and general spirit of what slider is
that goes to 00:05:209 (1,2,3,4) -

00:08:381 (1,2) - obvious why 00:09:227 (3) - still goes as previous
00:09:227 (3,1) - why there is 3\2 gap, because 00:10:284 (1) - is so much fucking stronger that anything here and to stress you can make some difference from 00:08:381 (1,2). 3\2 is still acceptable for normal when it represents strong rhythm

00:24:451 (5) - you can call this inis style or whatever shit, it just to stress guitar\give rest from main "drum\keyboard" rhythm

00:50:882 (1,2) - ^ pretty much the same except here we have voice not guitar, also this is a great rest for normal players

01:09:912 (5) - yeah but

well, i mean it's not the monsters under your bed, hard to explain this technically but... uh

02:02:562 (2) - still i'm agree that this is wrong in following term... wait a sec... how this crap called in 2014.. oh... creativity, nothing really bad tho cus repeat slider but yes

02:20:535 (1,2,3,4) - still a question what u want to cover in normal with such rhythm
both, current way and your suggestion are quite acceptable here

alright i guess i touched all the main things here, just to give understanding that these are technical things not just some random shit

tricky tricky song

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Myxo

osu! Alumni

3,103 posts

Joined December 2012

Myxo 2014-07-17T09:59:00+00:00

Sieg wrote:
02:02:562 (2) - still i'm agree that this is wrong in following term... wait a sec... how this crap called in 2014.. oh... creativity, nothing really bad tho cus repeat slider but yes

I still don't understand why you don't just fix it when you know it's wrong and it just sounds horrible.

Also, thanks for the more detailed reply. I get your points! About the beginning section, you are right, it's okay. I still disagree about the rest, but I understand what you meant so I suppose it's okay.

Shiro

Global Moderator

4,984 posts

Joined May 2009

Shiro 2014-07-18T06:13:22+00:00

AlexaBM wrote:
[Shiro's Insane]
First of all I want to mention that Shiro is cute \:D/ I am not D:
HP Drain - +1-2? HP+1 could work, the diff is rather dense.
00:17:050 (1) - You have some points that doesn't change almost anything. Maybe make smth like this? Check in play mode - this slider follows the butterfly in the background
02:13:769 (7,10) - Fix the blanket. fixed

Thanks for the mod.

Desperate-kun wrote:

Shiro's Insane
Don't you think 100% of volume is a bit too much? If you lower every volume by 15-20% it will sound less noisy I thought I already had ? Welp, now it's done.
00:12:399 (1) - I think it would be more natural to end it at 00:15:359. You have to decide between three emphasized beats here, and I'd definitely choose the downbeat because it's the one where most players will expect it to end. I'd rather keep what I have now, as I think it's more intuitive. Ending it on the downbeat would leave one of the beats... empty, and that would feel weird.
00:17:050 (1) - Umm... Minor, but this slidershape looks kind of random and not really appealing. I know you can make awesome slidershapes (from other maps), so I'm sure you can think of something better here :b Try this in playmode - it follows the butterfly's shape. :3
01:01:877 (4,5,6,1) - The flow seems to break here a little bit. After the jump from (5) to (6) I didn't expect to slow down and move more upwards into the direction of (1). The major problem here is the slow-down, so it would be great if you could move (6) so that the distance between (5) - (6) - (1) is equal. http://puu.sh/adWpj/91bde96313.jpg I'll figure out something
01:52:201 (2,3,4) - Again, slowing-down linearly plays weird for me. It's just not intuitive after a jump. Again, the simplest solution would be something like this http://puu.sh/adWKG/d28c5537bd.jpg , but you can probably think of a better pattern Same applies for 01:53:047 (5,6,1)
03:40:039 (1,2,3) - The flow can be improved here. After (1) and (2), it feels weird to jump so far to the left to reach (3) and then even change the direction of movement. In my opinion, something like this would be a good solution: http://puu.sh/adX57/2e4b8e2776.jpg follows the pattern here, the only emphasized beats are the snares !
04:00:338 - Okay, here you went crazy lol xD and the best about it is that it fits perfectly and plays awesome :3
Good, as always! What I also said to your other guest diff I modded recently... It's great that you are putting much thought into your mapping, one can clearly see that! Also, I love your symmetry patterns like this 00:32:275 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11), it's simple made, but it's still fairly unique for some reason. glad to see there are people capable of noticing the structure

Thanks for the mod.

http://puu.sh/agoWF/4b3a2ff1ff.osu

Norman

Norman 2014-07-30T09:23:58+00:00

well, I tried to do modding
but I can't find it (...)
star :3

Alarido

1,744 posts

Joined September 2012

Alarido 2014-08-02T23:22:44+00:00

Don't kudosu.

[Comments]Before modding, testplayed Normal/Easy, failed Hard (too many triples for singletap + I can't z-x properly), then auto'ed in editor mode.

Everything feels good

from Easy to Last Insane. Nothing to complain (:

@BAT#1 > Bubble it pls

@BAT#2 > Rank it pls right after BAT#1 bubble it

Good luck Xanandra, Sieg and Shiro (:

Att.

ychung97

129 posts

Joined December 2012

ychung97 2014-08-03T08:23:13+00:00

From modding queue

mod format

d - don D - big don
k - kat K - big kat
* strongly recommended to look into
# only personal opinion

Nwolf's Muzukashii

- General
Flows well
No mistakes as far as i see
But as you said, it's quite a long map
sometimes it's just hard to keep focus on same song for 4 mins
there could be more climax imo

But it's already good now
I might return to this again later......
let's see if other modders could make it better

Nwolf's Oni

- General
(Since that I can't play)
I think that it sounds ok
The following, except the 1st one, is the wild mods i made following instincts

- Mods
* no finish notes should be placed at the end of a stream
in view of this, the following:
00:50:881 (46) -
01:04:414 (104) -
01:41:629 (47) -
02:08:694 (162) -
03:40:038 (16) -
03:46:804 (49) -
03:50:187 (63) -
should not be in finish notes (I'm not sure if I missed any)

# from 00:18:742 - to 00:32:275 - maybe too much dkkd ?

# 01:29:048 (265) - maybe k would make the rhythm stronger? i am not sure

03:59:385 (102) - would make the rhythm clearer if deleted

not a useful mod, sorry =(
good luck

Nwolf

2,604 posts

Joined September 2012

Nwolf 2014-08-06T09:01:42+00:00

ychung97 wrote:
From modding queue

mod format
d - don D - big don
k - kat K - big kat
* strongly recommended to look into
# only personal opinion

Nwolf's Muzukashii
- General
Flows well
No mistakes as far as i see
But as you said, it's quite a long map
sometimes it's just hard to keep focus on same song for 4 mins
there could be more climax imo hm okay

But it's already good now
I might return to this again later......
let's see if other modders could make it better

Nwolf's Oni
- General
(Since that I can't play)
I think that it sounds ok
The following, except the 1st one, is the wild mods i made following instincts

- Mods
* no finish notes should be placed at the end of a stream exception: It's monocolor
in view of this, the following:
00:50:881 (46) -
01:04:414 (104) -
01:41:629 (47) -
02:08:694 (162) -
03:40:038 (16) -
03:46:804 (49) -
03:50:187 (63) -
should not be in finish notes (I'm not sure if I missed any) All of them should be fine and fit the way I mapped

# from 00:18:742 - to 00:32:275 - maybe too much dkkd ? no, it's following the guitar pretty good

# 01:29:048 (265) - maybe k would make the rhythm stronger? i am not sure will think about it, somehow like the idea

03:59:385 (102) - would make the rhythm clearer if deleted good idea!

not a useful mod, sorry =(
good luck

http://puu.sh/aGRhC/21d073e632.osu muzu
http://puu.sh/aGRhS/0ff267b04b.osu oni

NoHitter

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NoHitter 2014-08-08T11:17:57+00:00

Hello. Sorry for the delay. The map is pretty good overall.

[Insane]
- 00:05:527 (2,3,4) - The placement of the notes after this slider is bothering me a bit. IMO a better way of placing them would be something similar to http://puu.sh/aJIpp/b236d4ae75.jpg
- 01:07:798 -> 01:11:181 - IMO this section isn't very intuitive. You have nearly constant 1/4s here, but after this part (when the music actually increases in intensity and build up) you omit them. The note density actually decreases up until 01:21:330. Shouldn't it be backwards where you build up from 1/2s to small 1/4s up until you start going for streams?
- 01:19:639 (3,4) - The flow of these two sliders are bad. Maybe make (4) face the other direction?
- 02:08:694 (1,2,3,4) - The decelerated spacing plays oddly IMO. (1,2) has more space than (2,3). Make them even?
- 02:10:386 (1,3) - IMO it would be better if (3) follows some aspect of (1) like shape. Maybe like this? http://puu.sh/aJIQD/1d45da450d.jpg
- 02:17:786 (6,7) - The flow is odd from (6) to (7). Use oval flow?
- 02:18:421 (7,1) - The flow here is pretty odd too. The direction it's going is to the left, but the next note is suddenly to the right instead.
- 02:22:227 -> 02:35:759 - I'm torn about those slider to slider 1/4 jumps mixed in with that 1/4 spacing between the notes...
- 02:36:605 (6,7) - Odd choice of flow here.
- 02:37:451 (1) - Shouldn't this face the other way? http://puu.sh/aJJ5d/21a3f8ce81.jpg
- 02:58:913 (10,1) - Is this spacing inconsistency intentional?
- 03:25:872 (1,2,3,4) - Once again, IMO the decelerated spacing looks odd.
- 03:49:765 (7) - I was half-expecting this to be kind of in the center of the slider's arc. http://puu.sh/aJJg6/22a30ce0c0.jpg
- 04:02:029 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Continue your stream here. Don't stop it. It plays oddly.
- 04:07:210 () - Same as above.
- 04:08:373 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Same as above.

[Shiro's Insane]
- 00:05:950 (2) - I think straightening this out would fit better since this came from a linear slider. http://puu.sh/aJJmg/e9ba53d3d4.jpg
- 00:22:125 (1) - Just my opinion but IMO it would look a bit better with a sharper angle, mirroring the shape of 00:21:279 (7,8,9).
- 00:23:817 (5) - I would place it a little bit down so it points perfectly to the next note. http://puu.sh/aJJvo/33c0854977.jpg
- 00:31:429 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,1) - IMO a more distinguishable bend at 00:31:852 (11) - would look better. (Forming a "V") http://puu.sh/aJJCi/4a92252092.jpg
- 00:59:551 (5,7,8) - It doesn't quite perfectly blanket.
- 01:01:031 (1,2) - Same here. ^
- 01:01:877 (4,5) - Here too.
- 01:34:863 (1,2,3) - Is the slight curve up in the two notes here intentional? If not, move (2) down a bit to form a straight line.
- 01:53:047 (5,6,1) - is the inconsistent spacing here intentional?
- 02:09:328 (3,4) - IMO (4) would look better in the center of (3)'s arc. http://puu.sh/aJJSj/a51be68817.jpg
- 02:11:020 (9,10) - Same here.
- 02:35:759 (1,2,3) - I find it odd that (1) doubles back on itself when you're going for a pattern that clearly is going down. IMO a better placement would be: http://puu.sh/aJJWW/9fcf799907.jpg
- 03:14:454 (5,6) - Not blanketed properly.
- 04:01:606 (4,5,6,7,1) - Man, this spacing is evil

Too far.
- 04:03:298 (4,5,6,7,1) - Also this one.

[Hard]
- Pretty good diff, but I kind of am concerned about the amount of 1/4 here.
- 00:33:332 (6,1,2,3) - I would form a better diamond shape here.
- 01:28:096 () - IMO there should be a note or start of slider here because the downbeat is really distinguishable.

[Sieg's Normal]
- Practically flawless

Also I love those sliders and blankets!
- 00:05:209 (1,2) - My concern here is that you're following the offbeats here, but you make the first slider end at a white tick. It plays oddly and may confuse.
- 00:08:593 (2,3) - Same here.

[Easy]
- Those 1/2 notes concern me a bit, but other than that, good.

Luvdic

2,113 posts

Joined July 2009

Topic Starter

Luvdic 2014-08-08T20:24:20+00:00

NoHitter wrote:
Hello. Sorry for the delay. The map is pretty good overall.

[Insane]
- 00:05:527 (2,3,4) - The placement of the notes after this slider is bothering me a bit. IMO a better way of placing them would be something similar to http://puu.sh/aJIpp/b236d4ae75.jpg
Not quite sure why it would be bothersome...

- 01:07:798 -> 01:11:181 - IMO this section isn't very intuitive. You have nearly constant 1/4s here, but after this part (when the music actually increases in intensity and build up) you omit them. The note density actually decreases up until 01:21:330. Shouldn't it be backwards where you build up from 1/2s to small 1/4s up until you start going for streams?
Not sure how to explain this, but I guess this is how I listen to this song, what my mind emphasizes when I listen to it

- 01:19:639 (3,4) - The flow of these two sliders are bad. Maybe make (4) face the other direction?
Not quite sure it would flow bad, but then again, I prefer it this way.

- 02:08:694 (1,2,3,4) - The decelerated spacing plays oddly IMO. (1,2) has more space than (2,3). Make them even?
Intentional, but will wait for more opinions.

- 02:10:386 (1,3) - IMO it would be better if (3) follows some aspect of (1) like shape. Maybe like this? http://puu.sh/aJIQD/1d45da450d.jpg
I prefer it more to be this way

- 02:17:786 (6,7) - The flow is odd from (6) to (7). Use oval flow?
Did.... something a bit different, but then again, Im already well aware that I my 'flow' is different from others.

- 02:18:421 (7,1) - The flow here is pretty odd too. The direction it's going is to the left, but the next note is suddenly to the right instead.
I love having to break flows, so no changes here.

- 02:22:227 -> 02:35:759 - I'm torn about those slider to slider 1/4 jumps mixed in with that 1/4 spacing between the notes...
I love how this part turned out... so no changes for now...

- 02:36:605 (6,7) - Odd choice of flow here.

- 02:37:451 (1) - Shouldn't this face the other way? http://puu.sh/aJJ5d/21a3f8ce81.jpg
Nope, Im not trying to make that kind of shape

- 02:58:913 (10,1) - Is this spacing inconsistency intentional?
I guess... yes.

- 03:25:872 (1,2,3,4) - Once again, IMO the decelerated spacing looks odd.
I think its fine, just looks odd for you, but it looks perfect for me...

- 03:49:765 (7) - I was half-expecting this to be kind of in the center of the slider's arc. http://puu.sh/aJJg6/22a30ce0c0.jpg
Not necessarily...

- 04:02:029 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Continue your stream here. Don't stop it. It plays oddly.
- 04:07:210 () - Same as above.
- 04:08:373 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Same as above.
Wanted to make room for some jumps. Anyways, I think if I were to map this whole part as stream... it wouldnt be that fun

[Hard]
- Pretty good diff, but I kind of am concerned about the amount of 1/4 here.
- 00:33:332 (6,1,2,3) - I would form a better diamond shape here.
I tried to make it better, not sure if succeeded.
- 01:28:096 () - IMO there should be a note or start of slider here because the downbeat is really distinguishable.
Okay

[Easy]
- Those 1/2 notes concern me a bit, but other than that, good.
They are fine... in the test plays

Thanks for the mod!

Shiro

Global Moderator

4,984 posts

Joined May 2009

Shiro 2014-08-09T14:58:02+00:00

NoHitter wrote:
[Shiro's Insane]
- 00:05:950 (2) - I think straightening this out would fit better since this came from a linear slider. http://puu.sh/aJJmg/e9ba53d3d4.jpg I realized that the spacing was weird (0.9 then 1), I fixed that and the spacing.
- 00:22:125 (1) - Just my opinion but IMO it would look a bit better with a sharper angle, mirroring the shape of 00:21:279 (7,8,9). sure
- 00:23:817 (5) - I would place it a little bit down so it points perfectly to the next note. http://puu.sh/aJJvo/33c0854977.jpg done
- 00:31:429 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,1) - IMO a more distinguishable bend at 00:31:852 (11) - would look better. (Forming a "V") I don't want to use that kind of sharp angle in a stream, especially not this early in the map. This part is supposed to be really soft on the aim, so I used a compressed stream to make this easy to play. A sharp curve would go against that.http://puu.sh/aJJCi/4a92252092.jpg
- 00:59:551 (5,7,8) - It doesn't quite perfectly blanket. Huh, I changed the placement of (7) a bit and forgot to update the blanket
- 01:01:031 (1,2) - Same here. ^
- 01:01:877 (4,5) - Here too. fixed both, meh
- 01:34:863 (1,2,3) - Is the slight curve up in the two notes here intentional? If not, move (2) down a bit to form a straight line. changed the whole pattern instead to be symmetric, and removed (2) which didn't play well
- 01:53:047 (5,6,1) - is the inconsistent spacing here intentional? Yes. (5,6) emphasizes the snare and the beat after it with the jump, but 01:53:470 (1) - doesn't need to be emphasized, hence the regular spacing.
- 02:09:328 (3,4) - IMO (4) would look better in the center of (3)'s arc. http://puu.sh/aJJSj/a51be68817.jpg Placing it there would ruin the spacing, and wouldn't play as well either because of the horrible angle between (3) and (4,5).
- 02:11:020 (9,10) - Same here. Spacing would be weird as hell. I stacked it with 02:10:809 (8) - instead.
- 02:35:759 (1,2,3) - I find it odd that (1) doubles back on itself when you're going for a pattern that clearly is going down. IMO a better placement would be: http://puu.sh/aJJWW/9fcf799907.jpg It's part of the pattern, like 02:42:526 (1,2,3) - I wanted to place it as if the normal drum (circle) turned into a snare (1/2 long, with the slider)
- 03:14:454 (5,6) - Not blanketed properly. fixed
- 04:01:606 (4,5,6,7,1) - Man, this spacing is evil Too far.
- 04:03:298 (4,5,6,7,1) - Also this one. I actually wanted to change them, because although they fit and are fun to play, they're a MASSIVE spike in difficulty, and take the focus away from the vocals. I used compressed streams instead to highlight the vocals better and give this little drum part less importance.

Thanks for the mod. No comment on the hitsounding or the flow, I'm sad.

http://puu.sh/aLguW/8e6b793367.osu

Sieg

3,981 posts

Joined February 2012

Sieg 2014-08-12T04:44:36+00:00

Thanks for mods

sorry for being late ;_;

SPOILER

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[Difficulty]
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CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:4
ApproachRate:5
SliderMultiplier:1.2
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"bg.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples
//Background Colour Transformations
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Luvdic

2,113 posts

Joined July 2009

Topic Starter

Luvdic 2014-08-12T04:47:52+00:00

Its okay, I forgive you :$

Charles445

Elite Mapper II: Aspirant / osu! Paragon

2,881 posts

Joined March 2009

Charles445 2014-08-13T02:08:06+00:00

Quick overview (Insane and Shiro's Insane)
This is not a mod, so no KD

Some hitsounds have a significant delay before their perceived beat (~10 ms for some). The smaller the better, try editing them with Audacity to fix any lead-in issues.
Many moments where the timing is 15 ms late. Try -7 to offset to try and even out the variance (-7, +8).

[Insane]
00:05:209 (1,2) - Immediately confused by the rhythm. First there is no audio-leadin to the first circle so it's 100/50 galore, then 3/4 beat spacing to the next note which is inherently confusing (players are used to multiples of 1/2 and 1/4. 3/4 of a beat between notes has and always will be confusing.
00:40:732 - First part of the music with the vocalist and it's a break. There's no reason to have a break right where the song effectively begins its main part. Nobody is tired after 40 seconds either.
02:22:227 - Mid-stream inconsistencies with the sliders, for example, 02:22:227 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - is way different to 02:25:610 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2) - , even though they are equivalent things in the music. This makes the stream hard to read and comprehend since it changes randomly.
02:39:142 (1,2,3) - Unexpected 3/4. Very very easy to hit the 2 quickly, since it looks like it is going to be 1/2.
02:47:600 (1,2,3,4) - It's even more frustrating to read when stacked.
Slow part is good, nice 1/2 sliders for piano emphasis.
03:41:308 (9,1,2,3) - These are really painful anti-flow jumps. This is pretty much the entire map, though. I guess it might be good jump practice for people.
03:45:114 (2,3,4,5,6) - These are really far away from each other, so they don't look like stream jumps.
04:03:721 (1) - Extremely unexpected that these have two repeats, as the rhythms implied by 04:02:664 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - before it suggest the last blue tick is skipped. Also the sliderstreamjumps caused by the holds are super mega painful.

[Shiro's Insane]
Sick jumps, I like that when the guitar goes BLAWWHH or something the spacing gets way bigger
02:20:535 - I see what you did there -> http://puu.sh/aQaDz.jpg
02:50:561 (7) - loooool dem guitars yo
02:54:578 (6,7) - Hard to tell when to start pressing keys again. Probably a good idea to end the repeat slider 2 repeats earlier, then make the first circle with a new combo at not touching the slider. -> http://puu.sh/aQamu.jpg

Loneight

osu! Alumni

1,332 posts

Joined January 2011

Loneight 2014-08-13T07:31:27+00:00

Hi o/
Request from In-game.

Black is just suggestion, if you don't like , you can skip it
Blue is recommended to fix
red is unrankable issue

[general]

~~I feel 02:40:834 - ~ 02:42:526 - notes delay~~
add "Century Child" which is the song from to tag

[Easy]

Useless green line:
green line
03:36:021 -
00:37:349 (4,1) - swap NC to make a tips where is 00:38:618 (1) -
02:38:297 (3) - just suggestion, how about make it like this? just feel more suitable for the vocal or flow IMO, if you want, copy 02:37:451 (2) - , rotate 210° and move to 504|272
02:53:944 (2) - did you miss a clap? I feel a little weird, there is same as 02:50:561 (2) - thus sound shouldn't be different, try to add a clap
03:41:731 (2,1) - swap NC to make there be like 03:48:497 (1,2) - . And 03:43:422 (2,1) - Same as here
04:12:179 (4) - NC, just think there is a new start for rhythm like 04:05:412 (1) -

just think, maybe you used copying in this diff (run, anyway, solid diff

[Sieg's Normal]

Useless green line:
green line
00:39:147 -
00:40:415 -
01:38:140 -
01:38:352 -

04:14:399 -
04:14:610 -
00:15:993 (4) - don't make it touch 00:14:513 (4) - , I worry newbie would be confused to read
00:21:068 (6,7) - feel a little weird, though it follows the snare, I still want to suggest how about make them like the picture to follow guitar? would be more suitable IMO. And 00:27:834 (6,7) - ...etc same as here
00:30:371 (4) - because it's overlap at rotation and its head is under 00:29:737 (3) - , would make newbie hard to read, try to NC it and change it like this ,
00:33:966 (3) - NC it would be easier to read its direction for newbie
01:47:128 (5) - I think you miss a clap at end. 01:52:414 (2) - Same as here
02:02:562 (2) - well, I can't find what it's following at blue line, and 02:02:985 - or 02:03:197 - is more obvious than 02:03:091 - thus I think 02:02:985 - or 02:03:197 should have hitsound instead of 02:03:091 - , try to change it like 01:59:179 (2,3) - 's rhythm
02:05:311 (6) - I feel there is a new rhythm start, try to NC it like 01:58:545 (1) - . And 02:18:843 (8) - , 03:43:422 (8) - , 04:10:487 (8) - same as here
02:31:319 (6) - because rotation is covered by 02:30:685 (5) - , try to move to 480|52, would be more easier to read for newbie
02:39:142 (6) - NC, feel it's same as 02:35:759 (1) - . And 02:42:526 (4,8) - same as here

well, I feel the Normal is harder than Normal+, rhythm is too concentrated IMO, please avoid useing concentrated notes in a Normal next time. Anyway, fun to play

[Nwolf's Muzukashii]

01:07:692 (101) - move it to 01:07:296 would be more suitable IMO, though will make it harder
01:27:885 (185) - how about move to 01:27:462 - to follow the piano?
02:28:570 (32) - change to d to make 02:28:147 (29,30,31,32) - be adverse of 02:27:301 (25,26,27,28) - ? And 02:34:491 (59) - same as here
02:41:257 (25) - how about move it to 02:41:468 and change to k? feel a little weird when 02:41:468 is empty. And 02:42:103 (29) - same as here
03:07:899 (17) - maybe change to k to follow the vocal

nothing to say~

[Hard]

try to OD+1, because Insane's OD is 7, make Hard's OD to 6 would be better for diff spread
about the AR, 7 maybe would make player confused to hit streams, try the AR 8, would be easier to read your streams
01:32:220 (3) - just feel it's unnecessary, try to remove it to emphasize the guitar like 01:33:806 (2,3) - ?
which is same as here
01:35:603 (3) -
01:45:752 (5) -
01:47:444 (3) -
01:49:135 (3) -
01:50:827 (5) -
01:54:527 (1,7) - swap NC, I think new rhythm is start at 01:55:162 - thus need to have a NC, if you fix this, 01:56:853 (1) - remove NC
02:20:747 (6) - make there get a NC to show the rhythm change
03:33:484 (2,2) - don't make it overlap, I worry player would be confused, separate them a little
03:52:091 (7) - NC it to be same as 04:05:624 (1) -

just think is too many streams for a Hard, anyway, ~~it's make me Hard (run~~

[Shiro's Insane]

00:05:199 (1) - Unsnapped slider, please fix it
00:52:362 (4,5) - did they miss sound about Sampleset: Normal?
03:02:183 (10) - just suggestion, player would be confused for there, NC to show there has anti-jump
03:45:318 (6) - NC it like 02:06:996 (1) - to make there easier to read?
04:15:132 (1) - I think you should NC to prompt there is a big jump

solid diff! nothing to say

[Nwolf's Oni]

00:25:085 (99,101) - feel a little weird, how about ctrl+G to follow guitar? guitar is more obvious than other sounds. And 00:31:851 (145,146) - same as here
02:28:781 (59) - I hear there is same as 02:35:548 (121) - , but different rhythm, try to change to k?
02:42:102 (41) - change to d? I think dkddk would be more suitable
03:59:491 (103) - change to k? but IDK how to explain...maybe would be suitable?

~

[Insane]

02:07:531 (1,2) - the flow is very uncomfortable and there is a little hard to read because note is below the screen, I think ctrl+G would be better. 02:07:848 (3,4) - same as here, but reason is uncomfortable flow
02:49:292 (3,1) - swap NC to make a prompt for 02:49:715 (1) - . And 02:50:983 (5,1) - same as here
02:52:041 (4) - NC because there have jump immediately
03:20:163 (4) - how about ctrl+G? flow would be more smooth

fine to me

that's all
good luck

Luvdic

2,113 posts

Joined July 2009

Topic Starter

Luvdic 2014-08-14T06:05:29+00:00

Loneight wrote:
Hi o/
Request from In-game.

[general]
~~I feel 02:40:834 - ~ 02:42:526 - notes delay~~
It does feels a bit late... luckily I only put sliders on these parts, lol (okno, will get more opinions)
add "Century Child" which is the song from to tag
Okay
[Easy]
Useless green line:
green line
03:36:021 -
Deleted, but its also kinda useless to delete it, since it should be a copy paste form insane diff
00:37:349 (4,1) - swap NC to make a tips where is 00:38:618 (1) -
Okay
02:38:297 (3) - just suggestion, how about make it like this? just feel more suitable for the vocal or flow IMO, if you want, copy 02:37:451 (2) - , rotate 210° and move to 504|272
I like it more the way it is now
02:53:944 (2) - did you miss a clap? I feel a little weird, there is same as 02:50:561 (2) - thus sound shouldn't be different, try to add a clap
Yes I did, thanks!
03:41:731 (2,1) - swap NC to make there be like 03:48:497 (1,2) - . And 03:43:422 (2,1) - Same as here
04:12:179 (4) - NC, just think there is a new start for rhythm like 04:05:412 (1) -
All done
just think, maybe you used copying in this diff (run, anyway, solid diff
Ahahah I did, for some sections

[Hard]
try to OD+1, because Insane's OD is 7, make Hard's OD to 6 would be better for diff spread
I think OD is fine, even more considering the amounts of triples
about the AR, 7 maybe would make player confused to hit streams, try the AR 8, would be easier to read your streams
Used 7.3
01:32:220 (3) - just feel it's unnecessary, try to remove it to emphasize the guitar like 01:33:806 (2,3) - ?
which is same as here
01:35:603 (3) -
01:45:752 (5) -
01:47:444 (3) -
01:49:135 (3) -
01:50:827 (5) -
The triples are precisely there to emphasize the guitar!
01:54:527 (1,7) - swap NC, I think new rhythm is start at 01:55:162 - thus need to have a NC, if you fix this, 01:56:853 (1) - remove NC
02:20:747 (6) - make there get a NC to show the rhythm change
03:33:484 (2,2) - don't make it overlap, I worry player would be confused, separate them a little
03:52:091 (7) - NC it to be same as 04:05:624 (1) -
All done!
just think is too many streams for a Hard, anyway, ~~it's make me Hard (run~~
Considering how hard the insanes are, this diff should be okay

[Insane]
02:07:531 (1,2) - the flow is very uncomfortable and there is a little hard to read because note is below the screen, I think ctrl+G would be better. 02:07:848 (3,4) - same as here, but reason is uncomfortable flow

Totally intentional
02:49:292 (3,1) - swap NC to make a prompt for 02:49:715 (1) - . And 02:50:983 (5,1) - same as here
02:52:041 (4) - NC because there have jump immediately
All done
03:20:163 (4) - how about ctrl+G? flow would be more smooth
I prefer it more the way it is now
fine to me
that's all
good luck

Thanks! Will get to your map asap!

As for charles comments, Will get to it later, since it requires more complex answers, and right now dont have much time for it.

And as for other changes that applies for whole mapset, will wait for other's mappers changes before making them!

Nwolf

2,604 posts

Joined September 2012

Nwolf 2014-08-14T11:09:43+00:00

Loneight wrote:
Hi o/
Request from In-game.

[Nwolf's Muzukashii]
01:07:692 (101) - move it to 01:07:296 would be more suitable IMO, though will make it harder nice idea, changed. Also changed the beginning of the kiai to kat (same as Oni)
01:27:885 (185) - how about move to 01:27:462 - to follow the piano? yes
02:28:570 (32) - change to d to make 02:28:147 (29,30,31,32) - be adverse of 02:27:301 (25,26,27,28) - ? And 02:34:491 (59) - same as here prefer a kat to keep the rhythm consistent (kat on 2 / 4).
02:41:257 (25) - how about move it to 02:41:468 and change to k? feel a little weird when 02:41:468 is empty. And 02:42:103 (29) - same as here mapped slightly different
03:07:899 (17) - maybe change to k to follow the vocal
changed
nothing to say~

[Nwolf's Oni]
00:25:085 (99,101) - feel a little weird, how about ctrl+G to follow guitar? guitar is more obvious than other sounds. And 00:31:851 (145,146) - same as here want more emphasis on the big kat
02:28:781 (59) - I hear there is same as 02:35:548 (121) - , but different rhythm, try to change to k? pretty much the same reason as above, don is intentional
02:42:102 (41) - change to d? I think dkddk would be more suitable yes
03:59:491 (103) - change to k? but IDK how to explain...maybe would be suitable? might be easier to play, gonna consider this change for a future update
that's all
good luck

thanks!

http://puu.sh/aS1Hg/46a8548bf0.osu Muzu
http://puu.sh/aS1HG/e09cef1d4f.osu Oni
changed timing sections to fit the beginning volume in my diffs better btw

Shiro

Global Moderator

4,984 posts

Joined May 2009

Shiro 2014-08-15T20:35:26+00:00

Charles445 wrote:
[Shiro's Insane]
Sick jumps, I like that when the guitar goes BLAWWHH or something the spacing gets way bigger \o/ this diff is fun
02:20:535 - I see what you did there -> http://puu.sh/aQaDz.jpg Holy tails, someone noticed O_O
02:50:561 (7) - loooool dem guitars yo best slider !
02:54:578 (6,7) - Hard to tell when to start pressing keys again. Probably a good idea to end the repeat slider 2 repeats earlier, then make the first circle with a new combo at not touching the slider. -> http://puu.sh/aQamu.jpg I'm not quite sure about this, actually. The testplays I had hit this correctly, and it would feel weird to end early. I'll keep this in mind and change if other people point it out !

Thanks !

Loneight wrote:
[Shiro's Insane]
00:05:199 (1) - Unsnapped slider, please fix it That should be fixed.
00:52:362 (4,5) - did they miss sound about Sampleset: Normal? No, I only used normal samplesets to lead into this part of the structure of the map. You can check the rest of the diff !
03:02:183 (10) - just suggestion, player would be confused for there, NC to show there has anti-jump I believe that the spacing change is significant enough for this not to be read as 1/4, especially after the whole part that has barely any.
03:45:318 (6) - NC it like 02:06:996 (1) - to make there easier to read? Good catch, but the new combo should be a bit before~
04:15:132 (1) - I think you should NC to prompt there is a big jump The rhythm gap makes this very readable !
solid diff! nothing to say

thanks for the mod !

http://puu.sh/aTZsc/c7ffd15e5d.osu

Luvdic

2,113 posts

Joined July 2009

Topic Starter

Luvdic 2014-08-15T20:59:17+00:00

Charles445 wrote:
Quick overview (Insane and Shiro's Insane)
This is not a mod, so no KD

Some hitsounds have a significant delay before their perceived beat (~10 ms for some). The smaller the better, try editing them with Audacity to fix any lead-in issues.
Should not be...? They are the same hitsounds that comes default

Many moments where the timing is 15 ms late. Try -7 to offset to try and even out the variance (-7, +8).
Fixed

[Insane]
00:05:209 (1,2) - Immediately confused by the rhythm. First there is no audio-leadin to the first circle so it's 100/50 galore, then 3/4 beat spacing to the next note which is inherently confusing (players are used to multiples of 1/2 and 1/4. 3/4 of a beat between notes has and always will be confusing.
Yes, thats why I mapped this part extra easy, making sure that the 1/4 beats lands on a slider, and so on.

00:40:732 - First part of the music with the vocalist and it's a break. There's no reason to have a break right where the song effectively begins its main part. Nobody is tired after 40 seconds either.
Dont know what to say... except that it is part of my style I guess, most of my maps have this kind of weird breaks, and I like it...

02:22:227 - Mid-stream inconsistencies with the sliders, for example, 02:22:227 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - is way different to 02:25:610 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2) - , even though they are equivalent things in the music. This makes the stream hard to read and comprehend since it changes randomly.
Hehhee it was on purpose

02:39:142 (1,2,3) - Unexpected 3/4. Very very easy to hit the 2 quickly, since it looks like it is going to be 1/2.
Me too at first, but after getting some testplays, I surprisingly saw some people do it perfectly on first try, thats why I kept it

02:47:600 (1,2,3,4) - It's even more frustrating to read when stacked.
I was hoping it would be easier to notice that its not that fast.

Slow part is good, nice 1/2 sliders for piano emphasis.
My intention!

03:41:308 (9,1,2,3) - These are really painful anti-flow jumps. This is pretty much the entire map, though. I guess it might be good jump practice for people.
Yeah...

03:45:114 (2,3,4,5,6) - These are really far away from each other, so they don't look like stream jumps.
They seemed fine on test plays..

04:03:721 (1) - Extremely unexpected that these have two repeats, as the rhythms implied by 04:02:664 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - before it suggest the last blue tick is skipped. Also the sliderstreamjumps caused by the holds are super mega painful.
Yeah, I can see that, many people got 100s because they left early. Ill consider changing this part if more people thinks so

So you only liked my slow part... /me is sad

Anyways, kudosed because of timing help.

Also... for some reason I cannot update, it gets stuck at distributing to global network...

Sieg

3,981 posts

Joined February 2012

Sieg 2014-08-15T21:19:48+00:00

thanks

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Kenezz

osu! Alumni

1,136 posts

Joined September 2009

Kenezz 2014-08-31T17:05:06+00:00

Holi <3

[Easy]

¿Qué te parece OD+1 para equilibrar el setup song? A pesar de ser Easy me parece demasiado poco que ahora este ajustado en 1. (Sí, lo sé, no es una gran diferencia pero la dificultad no es tan fácil como otras que siguen ritmos mucho más simples).
00:08:374 (1) - ¿Este circle no debería estar en el siguiente downbeat? La verdad es que yo consideraría más factible que lo ajustaras, igual el golpe de la pista está mas marcado en ese punto.
00:12:602 (1) - Lo mismo con este spinner, pues debería terminar 1/2 después. Como lo tienes ahora cuando llegas al final se siente como si terminara de una manera un poco abrupta, no sé tu pero yo siento que queda mejor si lo ajustas.
02:57:743 (2) - Quedaría mejor si inviertes el inicio con Ctrl+G.
03:36:649 (1) - No es un gran problema pero la diferencia de espacio entre los sliders anteriores comparado con este circle y el anterior es bastante notable. IMO Quedaría mejor si mueves el circle hacia abajo siguiendo el eje central x. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1981447
El cambio en la dificultad en el kiai final con esos 1/2-1/2 no me termina de convencer pero en general me gustó mucho la diff

[Sieg's Normal]

I realize that your diff doesn't have kiai time, are you sure with this?
00:33:959 (3) - This isn't so necessary but maybe add a nc here since the track has changed.
00:36:497 (1) - If you add with the previous point considers remove this nc and add one to 00:37:342 (7) (To avoid the long combo P:). http://puu.sh/bdp9N/14de99cc93.png
02:02:555 (2) - The repeat sounds odd because don't follow anything, if you want follow properly the voice then the repeat should on the next white tick for instance. Here I have a suggestion: Remove the repeat and lenghteen to the white tick (02:03:190), now add two stacked circles on 02:03:612 & 02:03:824, finally remove this circle 02:04:035 (3) (Don't forget the hitsounds). IMO this work better because improves the rhythm of the pattern following properly the track & voice. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1981635 Give it a try!
03:30:728 - The rhythmical break is needless since the track has already changed. Compare this with others diffs.
Blankets, cute blankets everywhere <3

[Hard]

01:58:538 (8) - Acorde a tus patrones de nc debería empezar aquí y no en el siguiente circle.
Lo demás me parece bien, un poco difícil con todos esos tripletes pero la verdad quedan bastante bien

[Shiro's Insane]

00:06:894 (5) - The start sounds too much awkward for me because track don't point nothing, also the sound of that drum is too loud. Maybe remove all hitsounding on this.
00:37:554 - This extended break is needless.
01:03:562 (1) - This new combo is really necessary? The spacing and rhythm is same like the previous.
01:40:776 (1) - Same as before. I mean another combos with various spacements has no nc and this yes.
02:54:571 (6) - Maybe add new combo to split the current one that is a bit long.
03:02:183 (10) - And here another due the anti-jump.
I'm not fan of sick jumps but well.

[Insane]

00:17:043 (3) - Creo que es más conveniente que inicies el new combo aquí y lo elimines del siguiente circle por la diferencia de tiempo de pausa y el cambio en la pista.
02:44:210 (1,2,3,4) - Solo por mencionarlo el espacio entre estos sldiers y el patrón anterior es diferente 02:37:444 (1,2,3,4), me parece que puedes modificar un poco el primero para que sea igual a este o este para que sea igual al primero ya que es prácticamente el mismo sonido en la pista y voz.
02:52:668 (4) - Acorde a los combos anteriores deberías empezar un nuevo aquí en vez de agregarlo al siguiente circle.
03:01:760 (1) - Esta parte quedaría mejor si colocas este circle debajo de 03:01:126 (1) y eliminas el new combo aquí y lo agregas en el siguiente circle. Todo esto porque en este circle todavía continua el cambio de ritmo de 3/4-3/4 que hiciste con los dos anteriores. http://puu.sh/bfCM1/a055937a2b.png
04:13:863 (3) - New combo aquí también, aquí lo hiciste y es el mismo patrón 02:48:862 (1,2,1).

Es todo supongo, espero que te sirva de ayuda.
Llámame cuando hayas aplicado los cambios.

Sieg

3,981 posts

Joined February 2012

Sieg 2014-08-31T19:06:00+00:00

all applied except of ncs
thanks Kenezz <3

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122,107,171822,2,0,P|71:111|22:82,2,90,2|0|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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414,140,174360,1,0,0:0:0:0:
363,191,174571,2,0,P|352:279|484:279,1,240,2|10,0:0|0:3,0:0:0:0:
418,242,175628,1,8,0:0:0:0:
323,350,176051,6,0,L|304:228,1,120,10|8,0:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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60,343,177743,2,0,L|40:221,1,120,10|8,0:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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224,130,180914,1,0,0:0:0:0:
296,125,181126,2,0,P|329:81|326:31,2,90,2|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,61,181972,1,8,0:0:0:0:
401,308,182817,6,0,B|357:263|283:269|256:340|256:340|229:269|155:263|111:308,1,360,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
48,271,184298,2,0,L|36:76,1,180,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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297,188,186201,5,10,0:0:0:0:
297,188,186412,2,0,P|392:237|461:186,1,180,8|10,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
387,75,187469,1,0,0:0:0:0:
253,129,187892,2,0,P|185:138|136:114,2,120,2|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
322,148,188949,2,0,P|378:200|386:258,1,120,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
390,312,189584,1,2,0:0:0:0:
254,357,190007,6,0,B|196:276|256:192|256:192|316:108|256:24,1,360,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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200,237,193813,1,10,0:0:0:0:
416,52,194658,6,0,B|336:-8|256:73|256:73|176:-8|96:52,1,360,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
152,185,196350,2,0,P|256:236|360:185,1,240,10|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
94,297,198042,5,2,0:0:0:0:
94,297,198464,1,10,0:0:0:0:
94,297,198887,2,0,P|156:285|196:235,1,120,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
318,314,199733,2,0,P|415:303|482:172,1,240,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
340,168,201002,1,0,0:0:0:0:
372,26,201425,2,0,B|312:-6|256:26|256:26|200:58|144:26,1,240,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
94,309,203116,5,10,0:0:0:0:
94,309,203327,2,0,L|108:129,1,180,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
250,110,204384,1,2,0:0:0:0:
391,138,204808,2,0,L|401:19,2,120,2|8|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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256,192,206499,12,4,209883,0:0:0:0:
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206,314,217283,2,0,P|119:347|16:336,1,180,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
55,199,218340,1,8,0:0:0:0:
130,76,218763,1,8,0:0:0:0:
268,36,219186,1,8,0:0:0:0:
411,42,219609,1,8,0:0:0:0:
315,149,220032,6,0,P|311:213|344:281,1,120,12|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
268,232,220666,2,0,P|292:291|350:338,1,120,4|8,0:0|0:3,0:0:0:0:
403,347,221301,1,8,0:0:0:0:
429,205,221724,1,12,0:0:0:0:
446,62,222146,1,8,0:0:0:0:
446,62,222358,2,0,L|326:45,1,120,4|8,0:0|0:3,0:0:0:0:
256,60,222992,2,0,B|257:89|257:89|254:105|254:105|256:135,1,60,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,156,223415,2,0,L|72:139,1,120,12|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
76,66,224050,2,0,L|151:76,1,60,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
110,215,224684,1,8,0:0:0:0:
87,357,225107,5,8,0:0:0:0:
157,345,225318,2,0,L|253:329,2,90,8|8|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
87,357,226164,1,0,0:0:0:0:
16,368,226375,1,8,0:0:0:0:
110,258,226798,6,0,P|194:243|242:161,2,180,12|4|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
249,294,228490,2,0,P|301:229|311:134,2,180,12|4|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
111,250,230181,6,0,L|90:123,1,120,12|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
143,181,230815,2,0,P|154:101|248:48,1,180,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
290,180,231872,1,8,0:3:0:0:
290,180,232295,1,8,0:0:0:0:
431,153,232718,1,8,0:3:0:0:
431,153,233141,1,8,0:0:0:0:
294,108,233564,6,0,L|275:226,1,120,12|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
340,191,234198,2,0,P|319:274|363:354,1,180,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
464,251,235256,1,4,0:0:0:0:
464,251,235468,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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256,192,238639,12,4,239907,0:0:0:0:
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12,27,246674,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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Luvdic

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Luvdic 2014-08-31T21:38:43+00:00

Kenezz wrote:
Holi <3

[Easy]
¿Qué te parece OD+1 para equilibrar el setup song? A pesar de ser Easy me parece demasiado poco que ahora este ajustado en 1. (Sí, lo sé, no es una gran diferencia pero la dificultad no es tan fácil como otras que siguen ritmos mucho más simples).
Okay
00:08:374 (1) - ¿Este circle no debería estar en el siguiente downbeat? La verdad es que yo consideraría más factible que lo ajustaras, igual el golpe de la pista está mas marcado en ese punto.
00:12:602 (1) - Lo mismo con este spinner, pues debería terminar 1/2 después. Como lo tienes ahora cuando llegas al final se siente como si terminara de una manera un poco abrupta, no sé tu pero yo siento que queda mejor si lo ajustas.
En mis tests, los novatos siempre pegaban antes de tiempo, probe asi, y si funciona mejor
02:57:743 (2) - Quedaría mejor si inviertes el inicio con Ctrl+G.
Me gusta mas como esta ahora
03:36:649 (1) - No es un gran problema pero la diferencia de espacio entre los sliders anteriores comparado con este circle y el anterior es bastante notable. IMO Quedaría mejor si mueves el circle hacia abajo siguiendo el eje central x. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1981447
Okay
El cambio en la dificultad en el kiai final con esos 1/2-1/2 no me termina de convencer pero en general me gustó mucho la diff
Pues, todas mis diffs son mas dificiles en el ultimo coro, asi que por consistencia, este diff deberia ser asi tambien (??

[Hard]
01:58:538 (8) - Acorde a tus patrones de nc debería empezar aquí y no en el siguiente circle.
Okay
Lo demás me parece bien, un poco difícil con todos esos tripletes pero la verdad quedan bastante bien
Elimine algunos triples ayer

[Insane]
00:17:043 (3) - Creo que es más conveniente que inicies el new combo aquí y lo elimines del siguiente circle por la diferencia de tiempo de pausa y el cambio en la pista.
Okay
02:44:210 (1,2,3,4) - Solo por mencionarlo el espacio entre estos sldiers y el patrón anterior es diferente 02:37:444 (1,2,3,4), me parece que puedes modificar un poco el primero para que sea igual a este o este para que sea igual al primero ya que es prácticamente el mismo sonido en la pista y voz.
Si bien es la misma, queria variarlo un poco al ser la ultima
02:52:668 (4) - Acorde a los combos anteriores deberías empezar un nuevo aquí en vez de agregarlo al siguiente circle.
Okay
03:01:760 (1) - Esta parte quedaría mejor si colocas este circle debajo de 03:01:126 (1) y eliminas el new combo aquí y lo agregas en el siguiente circle. Todo esto porque en este circle todavía continua el cambio de ritmo de 3/4-3/4 que hiciste con los dos anteriores. http://puu.sh/bfCM1/a055937a2b.png
No todos los anteriores, queria enfocar tambien los tambores, y por eso el NC, y la forma en que se mapeo como en 02:45:902 -
04:13:863 (3) - New combo aquí también, aquí lo hiciste y es el mismo patrón 02:48:862 (1,2,1).
Okay
Es todo supongo, espero que te sirva de ayuda.
Llámame cuando hayas aplicado los cambios.

Gracias!

Shiro

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Shiro 2014-09-01T03:45:40+00:00

Kenezz wrote:
[Shiro's Insane]
00:06:894 (5) - The start sounds too much awkward for me because track don't point nothing, also the sound of that drum is too loud. Maybe remove all hitsounding on this. Huh, there wasn't supposed to be any hitsound on that slider.
00:37:554 - This extended break is needless. k
01:03:562 (1) - This new combo is really necessary? The spacing and rhythm is same like the previous. removed
01:40:776 (1) - Same as before. I mean another combos with various spacements has no nc and this yes. ^
02:54:571 (6) - Maybe add new combo to split the current one that is a bit long. That wouldn't be consistent. D:
03:02:183 (10) - And here another due the anti-jump. Inconsistent as well. The anti-jumps are readable as is thanks to the massive spacing change and the fact that the 1/4 before had specific spacing which was different.
I'm not fan of sick jumps but well.

Thanks for the mod.
http://puu.sh/bgoUg/11441177e8.osu

Kenezz

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Kenezz 2014-09-02T01:07:54+00:00

Here we go~

Circled

woof is coming true!

qoot8123

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Joined March 2011

qoot8123 2014-09-11T04:49:24+00:00

Hi

[General]

Because this map doesn't have SB, so I recommend remove widescreen support

[

Muzukashii]

HP 5.1 and OD 4.8 ? Is that intense? if not, please set hp and od to 5
02:39:981 (20) - move to 02:40:404 - and change to d to make a consistency with 02:35:752 (1,2,3,4) -
02:46:747 (48) - ^

[

Oni]

HP 5 OD6 ?
hmm.. i think change sv to 1.6 is enough for this kind of song
00:07:846 (14) - move to 00:07:951 - to make the same break with 00:06:894 (9) - and 00:06:048 (5) -
00:14:612 (38) - ^
00:50:875 (46) - remove finish ,big note on the end of stream which less than 8 long stream is not acceptable nowhttps://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3333986/
01:04:407 (104) - ^
01:41:622 (47) - ^
02:08:687 (162) - ^
03:40:032 (16) - ^
03:46:798 (49) - ^
03:50:181 (63) - ^
01:28:830 (263) - how about remove this note? not must but you can consider about this
02:07:524 (154,155) - reverse these kd, the drum sound is similar with 02:07:207 (152,153) -
02:08:159 (158,159) - ^
02:29:937 (68) - change to d this kat may kill a lot of player

pretty good taiko diffs

Nwolf

2,604 posts

Joined September 2012

Nwolf 2014-09-11T12:07:14+00:00

qoot8123 wrote:
Hi hi :3

[General]
Because this map doesn't have SB, so I recommend remove widescreen support done
[ Muzukashii]

HP 5.1 and OD 4.8 ? Is that intense? if not, please set hp and od to 5 Yeah changed
02:39:981 (20) - move to 02:40:404 - and change to d to make a consistency with 02:35:752 (1,2,3,4) -
02:46:747 (48) - ^ changed both

[ Oni]

HP 5 OD6 ? yep
hmm.. i think change sv to 1.6 is enough for this kind of song due to all xxO disappearing now, changed
00:07:846 (14) - move to 00:07:951 - to make the same break with 00:06:894 (9) - and 00:06:048 (5) -
00:14:612 (38) - ^
00:50:875 (46) - remove finish ,big note on the end of stream which less than 8 long stream is not acceptable nowhttps://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3333986/
01:04:407 (104) - ^
01:41:622 (47) - ^
02:08:687 (162) - ^
03:40:032 (16) - ^
03:46:798 (49) - ^
03:50:181 (63) - ^ all gone
01:28:830 (263) - how about remove this note? not must but you can consider about this I decided to add this note because it didn't feel right to start on white tick all the time.
02:07:524 (154,155) - reverse these kd, the drum sound is similar with 02:07:207 (152,153) -
02:08:159 (158,159) - ^ changed both
02:29:937 (68) - change to d this kat may kill a lot of player changed
pretty good taiko diffs

thanks!

http://puu.sh/buz8a/97941af93d.osu Muzu
http://puu.sh/buz8C/cc4a73c035.osu Oni

Maruyu

742 posts

Joined July 2013

Maruyu 2014-09-13T22:51:27+00:00

*Yuzu- is watching Nightwish - Dead to the World [Shiro's Insane]*

00:17:043 (1) - this needs to be made a thing out of huehuehuehue

Nwolf

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Nwolf 2014-09-14T08:29:35+00:00

aaaaah update the taikos ;w;

http://puu.sh/bynij/87e8c81542.osu Oni update, weird SV stuff happened

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