so uhmmmm
any1 got any advice on how to learn alternating high bpm ?
idk couldnt find much about that anywhere else

you have to force yourself to alt

kujubuo wrote:

you have to force yourself to alt

so like
if i still suck at starting streams / bursts with my non dominant finger
do i just force myself until i get over it ?

angel in danger wrote:

kujubuo wrote:

you have to force yourself to alt

so like
if i still suck at starting streams / bursts with my non dominant finger
do i just force myself until i get over it ?

It would be more useful if you're already good with fast aim and reading

Anaxii wrote:

angel in danger wrote:

kujubuo wrote:

you have to force yourself to alt

so like
if i still suck at starting streams / bursts with my non dominant finger
do i just force myself until i get over it ?

It would be more useful if you're already good with fast aim and reading

i mean
the good thing is that at least for now my aim / reading isnt the issue

angel in danger wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

angel in danger wrote:

kujubuo wrote:

you have to force yourself to alt

so like
if i still suck at starting streams / bursts with my non dominant finger
do i just force myself until i get over it ?

It would be more useful if you're already good with fast aim and reading

i mean
the good thing is that at least for now my aim / reading isnt the issue

And what about stream and bursts?

Anaxii wrote:

angel in danger wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

angel in danger wrote:

kujubuo wrote:

you have to force yourself to alt

so like
if i still suck at starting streams / bursts with my non dominant finger
do i just force myself until i get over it ?

It would be more useful if you're already good with fast aim and reading

i mean
the good thing is that at least for now my aim / reading isnt the issue

And what about stream and bursts?

yesn't

angel in danger wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

angel in danger wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

angel in danger wrote:

kujubuo wrote:

you have to force yourself to alt

so like
if i still suck at starting streams / bursts with my non dominant finger
do i just force myself until i get over it ?

It would be more useful if you're already good with fast aim and reading

i mean
the good thing is that at least for now my aim / reading isnt the issue

And what about stream and bursts?

yesn't

Alright 🧐🧐🧐

Anaxii wrote:

angel in danger wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

angel in danger wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

angel in danger wrote:

kujubuo wrote:

you have to force yourself to alt

so like
if i still suck at starting streams / bursts with my non dominant finger
do i just force myself until i get over it ?

It would be more useful if you're already good with fast aim and reading

i mean
the good thing is that at least for now my aim / reading isnt the issue

And what about stream and bursts?

yesn't

Alright 🧐🧐🧐

i mean

i did previously mention i struggle starting streams / bursts with my non dominant finger even tho ive been alternating ever since i started playing (almost)

angel in danger wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

angel in danger wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

angel in danger wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

angel in danger wrote:

kujubuo wrote:

you have to force yourself to alt

so like
if i still suck at starting streams / bursts with my non dominant finger
do i just force myself until i get over it ?

It would be more useful if you're already good with fast aim and reading

i mean
the good thing is that at least for now my aim / reading isnt the issue

And what about stream and bursts?

yesn't

Alright 🧐🧐🧐

i mean

i did previously mention i struggle starting streams / bursts with my non dominant finger even tho ive been alternating ever since i started playing (almost)

maybe you can start bursts / streams on a low bpm

if you are bad at something retry it untill you can do it - harumachi clover gang
nah but really if something is hard for you you can just try untill its easy for you or start from an easier variation and slowly move up with difficulty
lets say you can alt 90 bpm comfortably
try alting 100 and if its impossible grind 95 untill you can do 100

Timing is really tricky on high bpm alt (especially finger control element where absolutely lunatic map where you go 1/3 then 1/6 then back to 1/4 aaaaa). You need to have better sense of rhythm and faster reading.

Playing usual high tempo maps will help to read faster, but for alternating so fast, it's a matter of practice makes perfect. If you happen to undertap a lot like I used to, you might need to increase your tapping speed alongside with playing more alt

Here's good map to practice to
beatmapsets/1625177#osu/3317976

Nanofranne wrote:

Timing is really tricky on high bpm alt (especially finger control element where absolutely lunatic map where you go 1/3 then 1/6 then back to 1/4 aaaaa). You need to have better sense of rhythm and faster reading.

Playing usual high tempo maps will help to read faster, but for alternating so fast, it's a matter of practice makes perfect. If you happen to undertap a lot like I used to, you might need to increase your tapping speed alongside with playing more alt

Here's good map to practice to
beatmapsets/1625177#osu/3317976

frfr timing can be pretty dificult at times
>playing more alt
i alternate most of the time i cant singletap for the life of me lmao
btw thx for the map*

KS Wicher wrote:

if you are bad at something retry it untill you can do it - harumachi clover gang
nah but really if something is hard for you you can just try untill its easy for you or start from an easier variation and slowly move up with difficulty
lets say you can alt 90 bpm comfortably
try alting 100 and if its impossible grind 95 untill you can do 100

so start slow once again and slowly grind my way up ?

angel in danger wrote:

Nanofranne wrote:

Timing is really tricky on high bpm alt (especially finger control element where absolutely lunatic map where you go 1/3 then 1/6 then back to 1/4 aaaaa). You need to have better sense of rhythm and faster reading.

Playing usual high tempo maps will help to read faster, but for alternating so fast, it's a matter of practice makes perfect. If you happen to undertap a lot like I used to, you might need to increase your tapping speed alongside with playing more alt

Here's good map to practice to
beatmapsets/1625177#osu/3317976

frfr timing can be pretty dificult at times
>playing more alt
i alternate most of the time i cant singletap for the life of me lmao
btw thx for the map*

KS Wicher wrote:

if you are bad at something retry it untill you can do it - harumachi clover gang
nah but really if something is hard for you you can just try untill its easy for you or start from an easier variation and slowly move up with difficulty
lets say you can alt 90 bpm comfortably
try alting 100 and if its impossible grind 95 untill you can do 100

so start slow once again and slowly grind my way up ?

full alternating also helps to speed up the process but full alt is not for everyone

yup, like with streaming play something just a biiiiit harder than you usually can and slowly grind your way up

1. How specifically do you alt, do you full alt everything or start bursts on the same finger or what?

2. By "high bpm" what bpm do you mean specifically?

3. What patterns are you specifically struggling to alt when you say "high bpm alt"? Jumps, bursts, alt patters, something else, or a combination of these?

4. If your answer was bursts then how exactly are you struggling? Are you just not fast enough to hit them, or is it a finger control issue or what?

Answer these and I'll try give to specific advice

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:

1. How specifically do you alt, do you full alt everything or start bursts on the same finger or what?

2. By "high bpm" what bpm do you mean specifically?

3. What patterns are you specifically struggling to alt when you say "high bpm alt"? Jumps, bursts, alt patters, something else, or a combination of these?

4. If your answer was bursts then how exactly are you struggling? Are you just not fast enough to hit them, or is it a finger control issue or what?

Answer these and I'll try give to specific advice

1. ig i feel more comfortable starting bursts with same finger ? depends on bpm ig if its not that fast i can full alt
2. anything above 230-240bpm ish for now
3. jumps / bursts
4. finger control issue (more like skill issue in my case but anyway lmao)

angel in danger wrote:

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:

1. How specifically do you alt, do you full alt everything or start bursts on the same finger or what?

2. By "high bpm" what bpm do you mean specifically?

3. What patterns are you specifically struggling to alt when you say "high bpm alt"? Jumps, bursts, alt patters, something else, or a combination of these?

4. If your answer was bursts then how exactly are you struggling? Are you just not fast enough to hit them, or is it a finger control issue or what?

Answer these and I'll try give to specific advice

1. ig i feel more comfortable starting bursts with same finger ? depends on bpm ig if its not that fast i can full alt
2. anything above 230-240bpm ish for now
3. jumps / bursts
4. finger control issue (more like skill issue in my case but anyway lmao)

You responded so quickly that I didn't see your response and just assumed that you hadn't responded for the last 24h lol



For jumps, honestly 230-240bpm is pretty slow for alting, I'm pretty sure that's like fast-ish singletap range (I don't singletap so I don't know for sure but it's fast-ish singletap range for me). I can think of maybe two things that might be holding you back:

1. A reading/aim issue. It doesn't matter how fast you can press the keys, if you can't read and aim the jumps properly then you won't be able to hit them. I'm guessing this isn't the main issue for you but maybe something to keep in mind as it could be a limiting factor. For me reading and aim are the main limiting factors to how fast I can play jumps.

2. Technique. Because your alting tops out at fast-ish singletap range I'm guessing that your alting technique is similar to your singletap technique (idk I could be wrong about this). What I mean by this is that you probably have quite a lot of tense, up and down wrist/arm movement to time your hits like how you would singletap, but instead of using 1 finger you use 2.

Doing this isn't a bad thing just like how singletapping isn't a bad thing. The problem is that by doing this for higher bpms you're basically just capping yourself at your singletapping speed.

What you gotta do instead is to use your wrist/arm less and put more emphasis on your fingers for higher bpms. When you stream and burst you don't really vibrate your arm or wrist up and down, you just move your fingers right? And by doing that you can go a lot faster right?

A problem you might have is that without the force of your arm/wrist going in a hammer motion it's hard get the specific timing you need to hit jumps. What I do instead is to concentrate most of that force into my fingers while not moving my arm or wrist. My arm/wrist does bounce up and down slightly because of the force of my fingers but I'm not actually moving it.

For me alting falls on a scale, where one end is super fast alting but it's the least forceful and has the worst control which is what I use to stream, and the other end is super forceful alting which gives the best control but it's the slowest which is when I use my wrist like a hammer. Starting from the streaming alting, putting in a bit more force goes into finger-control/alt-pattern territory, and putting in a bit more force goes into fast-jump territory, and then using my wrist goes into the super-forceful alting. Beyond streaming, there's also the fast-burst type of alting where I kinda just tense my fingers and my hand to vibrate them as fast as you can, but my control is non-existent outside of getting it in the vague bpm range of the burst.

I think what you have to do is figure out your own technique for alting bpms faster than 230/240, by just playing high-bpm maps and playing around with your technique until you work something out. You can try the forceful fingers thing, but I heard that some people do stream using their wrist by I assume rotating it back and forth instead of hammering up and down, and if you do that then idk maybe try doing that more forcefully? Ngl no idea how wrist streaming works



As for bursts, since I full-alt basically everything and struggle to start bursts on the same finger, I don't really have advice for how to get faster at that lol.

If you want to get better finger control when you full-alt, I can give you some advice though.

An exercise that I think helped me was that when I was first learning to alt, outside of osu I would just tap out consecutive triples on the table or on my leg or whatever (I have ADHD lol). So I'd just be doing some random shit and go zxz xzx zxz xzx zxz xzx zxz xzxzx zxzxz xzxzx zxzxz xzxz xzxz xzx xzx zxz xzx zxz xzx zxz xz xz xz xz with my fingers lol. No idea if this actually helps but it feels like it did for me.

After you master the finger control, you'll find that the bpm has 0 impact on how hard finger control is for alting bursts, it's mostly just the complexity of the bursts (eg. if they throw a lot of doubles where you gotta start on different fingers, those are the only thing I can't consistently full-alt lol). Or at least that's how it is for me, might be different for you idk

Not saying that full alt is better, if you're comfortable just starting bursts on the same finger or doing some sort of mix, maybe that's the way to go, but I don't really have advice on finger control or how to get faster in that case.



And yeah play mroe and keep pushing your limits I guess