[-Omni-] wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

[-Omni-] wrote:

i like the phones… maybe they could be cheaper tho

They won't actually

we all know that :/

If it countinues, there's going to be an iPhone 56 that will costs 5000 dollars lol

Karmine wrote:

Winnyace wrote:

Karmine wrote:

The worst part is victims of that high on copium saying things like "you can do everything with Apple products, it all works together it's great for productivity", yeah you can do the same only using Microsoft products but the difference is that you don't have to

Apple does have that advantage: Apple products work well with each other. Problem is that you need multiple of them to really take advantage of that AND they're all really expensive AND you really don't need this level of integration unless you're a professional, and even then I would argue that it isn't a necessary thing as much as a quality of life improvement.

Yeah but the thing is you can also do that without Apple, it's not like they do it better than the others
I remember having to work with an Apple fanboy and when I asked why we had to work on Mac he was like "It's great, everything is integrated, I can even have my emails/text messages on both phone and pc, don't need to take out my phone while working etc."
The thing is I'm on Windows and have an Android phone and I can do that too pretty easily, in fact I used to before realising I'd rather have each thing in their own place (but that's just me I guess)
It's also much less relevant now than it was a decade ago considering the ubiquity of SaaS (gmail, Discord... you can even have Steam on your phone, whatever the point of that is)
It was probably a nice thing when it was new but unless you were already trapped in the Apple ecosystem it was never really worth it imo

Oh don't get me wrong, you absolutely can do that on other platforms, but Apple seems to have made it so dumb simple that even a non-computer individual can do it. The fact that such tech is now available elsewhere too just as easily. Take KDE Connect.


Something I forgot about Apple is that the only real usecase I could think of is professional creative applications. It seems Adobe, which is the defacto standard for professional creative work, has better optimization on Macs than on Windows. For music production, everybody swears to Apple for it. I'm not sure why, to be honest why, but they all do. I guess for them, easy transfer between devices, without setup, is a nice bonus. It isn't revolutionary though and for most people, as you said, it is kinda useless.

[-Omni-] wrote:

i like the phones… maybe they could be cheaper tho

No chance... I remember a new iphone used to come with those earbuds... not anymore. They're trying to profit as much as possible and people continue to buy it.
I am people.

m i g i wrote:

[-Omni-] wrote:

i like the phones… maybe they could be cheaper tho

No chance... I remember a new iphone used to come with those earbuds... not anymore. They're trying to profit as much as possible and people continue to buy it.
I am people.

People are actually buying it? Damn, they only want more...

Winnyace wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Winnyace wrote:

Karmine wrote:

The worst part is victims of that high on copium saying things like "you can do everything with Apple products, it all works together it's great for productivity", yeah you can do the same only using Microsoft products but the difference is that you don't have to

Apple does have that advantage: Apple products work well with each other. Problem is that you need multiple of them to really take advantage of that AND they're all really expensive AND you really don't need this level of integration unless you're a professional, and even then I would argue that it isn't a necessary thing as much as a quality of life improvement.

Yeah but the thing is you can also do that without Apple, it's not like they do it better than the others
I remember having to work with an Apple fanboy and when I asked why we had to work on Mac he was like "It's great, everything is integrated, I can even have my emails/text messages on both phone and pc, don't need to take out my phone while working etc."
The thing is I'm on Windows and have an Android phone and I can do that too pretty easily, in fact I used to before realising I'd rather have each thing in their own place (but that's just me I guess)
It's also much less relevant now than it was a decade ago considering the ubiquity of SaaS (gmail, Discord... you can even have Steam on your phone, whatever the point of that is)
It was probably a nice thing when it was new but unless you were already trapped in the Apple ecosystem it was never really worth it imo

Oh don't get me wrong, you absolutely can do that on other platforms, but Apple seems to have made it so dumb simple that even a non-computer individual can do it. The fact that such tech is now available elsewhere too just as easily. Take KDE Connect.

Something I forgot about Apple is that the only real usecase I could think of is professional creative applications. It seems Adobe, which is the defacto standard for professional creative work, has better optimization on Macs than on Windows. For music production, everybody swears to Apple for it. I'm not sure why, to be honest why, but they all do. I guess for them, easy transfer between devices, without setup, is a nice bonus. It isn't revolutionary though and for most people, as you said, it is kinda useless.

Music is what I worked on a Mac for, back then it had Logic Pro, which is a great DAW and from what I heard there wasn't really anything as good for Windows at the time
Nowadays though it seems a lot of professionals switched to Windows so I guess they got better

Worst thing I had to use a Mac for was coding, I'd rather use vim that doing that ever again (but luckily I'll likely never have to write code again)

trap

If you have lowercased the word "Apple" like that => "Apple" then I would have bought of it already, but because it's "Apple" and not "apple" I'm now about to say the n-word to Apple right now! >=(









Nothing

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

If you have lowercased the word "Apple" like that => "Apple" then I would have bought of it already, but because it's "Apple" and not "apple" I'm now about to say the n-word to Apple right now! >=(









Nothing

What lol

I dont want an <insert brand here> ecosystem, I just want shit to work with whatever I need it to, not have to pay more money to get something approved by a large corporation so it will supposedly work a bit better.

I have never used apple software before so I wont judge that, but I'm just not willing to try them based on the company and how anti-consumer they are.

I'm more into the design and camera quality compared to other brands. I honestly really dislike how iOS handles apps in background (IRC will disconnect after 30s) and it doesn't seem as stable.

- Marco - wrote:

Tax avoidance doesn't only apply to Apple I think

- Marco - wrote:

It's terrible how not only apple but other companies (like laptop companies) are making their products harder and harder to upgrade or repair.

eblf2013 wrote:

It's terrible how not only apple but other companies (like laptop companies) are making their products harder and harder to upgrade or repair.

yeah, it's really sad

Anaxii wrote:

Tax avoidance doesn't only apply to Apple I think

true

- Marco - wrote:

RMS is a mega based guy (and I hope he survives cancer). I agree with everything the man said about Apple, to be honest.

Winnyace wrote:

- Marco - wrote:

RMS is a mega based guy (and I hope he survives cancer). I agree with everything the man said about Apple, to be honest.

omg why do all the good guys have some kind of disease wtf let them live not die >=[

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Winnyace wrote:

- Marco - wrote:

RMS is a mega based guy (and I hope he survives cancer). I agree with everything the man said about Apple, to be honest.

omg why do all the good guys have some kind of disease wtf let them live not die >=[

Life is like that unfortunately.

eblf2013 wrote:

- Marco - wrote:

It's terrible how not only apple but other companies (like laptop companies) are making their products harder and harder to upgrade or repair.

At least the EU is doing something about that, but it's far from being perfect and everyone else is fucked

The prime example of how Capitalism can gone wrong. On the plus side they have good software support and their UI is smooth af. But that comes at a cost of repairability and basically starts a bad trends among hardware manufacturers. Such as removing headphone jack and stuffs. Not to mention that they have REALLY BAD integrations outside of their ecosystems (which costs like an arm and a leg). And you have next-to-no control of you files AT ALL (at least in iPhone and iPad since I never used Macs).

Speaking of headphone jacks, I still remembered this ad from Samsung before they basically do the same things lol

Jangsoodlor wrote:

The prime example of how Capitalism can gone wrong. On the plus side they have good software support and their UI is smooth af. But that comes at a cost of repairability and basically starts a bad trends among hardware manufacturers. Such as removing headphone jack and stuffs. Not to mention that they have REALLY BAD integrations outside of their ecosystems (which costs like an arm and a leg). And you have next-to-no control of you files AT ALL (at least in iPhone and iPad since I never used Macs).

Speaking of headphone jacks, I still remembered this ad from Samsung before they basically do the same things lol

i dont understand why apple removed the jacks. now you have to pay more for wireless just to listen to music on your phone.

[-Omni-] wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

The prime example of how Capitalism can gone wrong. On the plus side they have good software support and their UI is smooth af. But that comes at a cost of repairability and basically starts a bad trends among hardware manufacturers. Such as removing headphone jack and stuffs. Not to mention that they have REALLY BAD integrations outside of their ecosystems (which costs like an arm and a leg). And you have next-to-no control of you files AT ALL (at least in iPhone and iPad since I never used Macs).

Speaking of headphone jacks, I still remembered this ad from Samsung before they basically do the same things lol

i dont understand why apple removed the jacks. now you have to pay more for wireless just to listen to music on your phone.

There's profit everywhere unfortunately...

[-Omni-] wrote:

i dont understand why apple removed the jacks. now you have to pay more for wireless just to listen to music on your phone.

If I had to guess, no wires meant a sense of luxury given. If their main headphones weren't wired, why keep having it?

Winnyace wrote:

[-Omni-] wrote:

i dont understand why apple removed the jacks. now you have to pay more for wireless just to listen to music on your phone.

If I had to guess, no wires meant a sense of luxury given. If their main headphones weren't wired, why keep having it?

Wired or not, it's the same thing anyway. People need to stop buying wireless things just to feel "luxurious"

It was luxurious back then. It's not really anymore.

Winnyace wrote:

It was luxurious back then. It's not really anymore.

It still is surprisingly.

Well, why so? I think most people nowadays buy such earphones/headphones because they see them as more convenient than their wired counter-parts, not more luxurious, but I could be wrong.

That's because wireless headphones for example are more expensive and less annoying to use, so it appeals to people.

mfw I bought cheap ass wireless earbuds to make it less suspicious when I would listen to music in class then for luxury

UPR wrote:

mfw I bought cheap ass wireless earbuds to make it less suspicious when I would listen to music in class then for luxury

How many?

Anaxii wrote:

UPR wrote:

mfw I bought cheap ass wireless earbuds to make it less suspicious when I would listen to music in class then for luxury

How many?

like 1 set that cost 20USD

i still use wired headphones but thats bc i don't like bluetooth and i hate the way earbuds feel in my ears

UPR wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

UPR wrote:

mfw I bought cheap ass wireless earbuds to make it less suspicious when I would listen to music in class then for luxury

How many?

like 1 set that cost 20USD

How is this cheap? That's the price of decent/good wired earphones

Karmine wrote:

UPR wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

UPR wrote:

mfw I bought cheap ass wireless earbuds to make it less suspicious when I would listen to music in class then for luxury

How many?

like 1 set that cost 20USD

How is this cheap? That's the price of decent/good wired earphones

Cause "quality"/luxury ones are into the 90 to 100+ range, while mine are just skull candy.

UPR wrote:

Karmine wrote:

UPR wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

UPR wrote:

mfw I bought cheap ass wireless earbuds to make it less suspicious when I would listen to music in class then for luxury

How many?

like 1 set that cost 20USD

How is this cheap? That's the price of decent/good wired earphones

Cause "quality"/luxury ones are into the 90 to 100+ range, while mine are just skull candy.

Damn that's expensive
I got some decent wired ones for 20€ like 5 years ago and still use them

Karmine wrote:

UPR wrote:

Karmine wrote:

UPR wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

UPR wrote:

mfw I bought cheap ass wireless earbuds to make it less suspicious when I would listen to music in class then for luxury

How many?

like 1 set that cost 20USD

How is this cheap? That's the price of decent/good wired earphones

Cause "quality"/luxury ones are into the 90 to 100+ range, while mine are just skull candy.

Damn that's expensive
I got some decent wired ones for 20€ like 5 years ago and still use them

mhm, I used quite a number of earbuds wired for years and still do on occasion for my PC if I am feeling it

Wired IEMs are really cheap. I got a pair of KZs for 20€ and they sound awesome.

Wireless is pretty stupid for things that are perfectly fine with wire

I personally use an old iphone 11 as my daily driver cuz it's still good enough but when the battery conditions worsens to the point where its gonna be a burden for me I'm switching back to android, I'm gonna get a google pixel and install grapheneOS on it. I don't think I'll ever buy an iphone ever again. It's just not good for the things that I need a phone for.

They're alright.

I have a fairly neutral relationship as you probably should with any big tech company but I can't exactly be too harsh since I'm typing this on a mac and I'm really satisfied with how the laptop performs and how it fits my usage, same with my old iphone. I really like the sound quality and comfort of Apple wired earbuds too, I'm surprised they still sell them. I felt like typing this since the thread's perspective felt skewed as few here actually use Apple products daily. But a lot of the critique here I find valid too.

For positives, while expensive their laptops are fairly good quality and have better build quality compared to my older laptops. I like how they offer support for outdated devices longer than Android does, my first generation iPhone SE still recieves security updates for example. While their new models are expensive you can always find used models for way cheaper. I like the feel of Apple's in-built software and operating system way more than whatever Windows offers.

mayoneeze wrote:

I like how they offer support for outdated devices longer than Android does, my first generation iPhone SE still recieves security updates for example.

That is something I don't really like about Android. It seems to depend a lot on manufacturer. I know Google supports their Pixel phones for 5 years or something like after release, which is pretty good in my opinion, but most manufacturers support, they only support their phones for 2 years or so after release.

Nanofranne wrote:

Wireless is pretty stupid for things that are perfectly fine with wire

Like keyboards or hearphones

Wireless for earphones/headphones for phones does have benefit from not having a wire if you're working out, or otherwise doing a lot of physical activity. It is convenient, but a good pair of wireless IEMs/headphones costs a lot more than a wired pair. IEMs especially can be really cheap (~20€) and still sound fantastic.

Winnyace wrote:

Wireless for earphones/headphones for phones does have benefit from not having a wire if you're working out, or otherwise doing a lot of physical activity. It is convenient, but a good pair of wireless IEMs/headphones costs a lot more than a wired pair. IEMs especially can be really cheap (~20€) and still sound fantastic.

I personally hate wireless hearphones when I play video games or listen to music on my computer

Outside it's different

Anaxii wrote:

Winnyace wrote:

Wireless for earphones/headphones for phones does have benefit from not having a wire if you're working out, or otherwise doing a lot of physical activity. It is convenient, but a good pair of wireless IEMs/headphones costs a lot more than a wired pair. IEMs especially can be really cheap (~20€) and still sound fantastic.

I personally hate wireless hearphones when I play video games or listen to music on my computer

Outside it's different

same here. i prob just dont mind wired in general but wireless not on computer is pretty nice

[-Omni-] wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

Winnyace wrote:

Wireless for earphones/headphones for phones does have benefit from not having a wire if you're working out, or otherwise doing a lot of physical activity. It is convenient, but a good pair of wireless IEMs/headphones costs a lot more than a wired pair. IEMs especially can be really cheap (~20€) and still sound fantastic.

I personally hate wireless hearphones when I play video games or listen to music on my computer

Outside it's different

same here. i prob just dont mind wired in general but wireless not on computer is pretty nice

Sometimes wirless can cause the audio to be unsynced which is ANNOYING

Winnyace wrote:

Wireless for earphones/headphones for phones does have benefit from not having a wire if you're working out, or otherwise doing a lot of physical activity. It is convenient, but a good pair of wireless IEMs/headphones costs a lot more than a wired pair. IEMs especially can be really cheap (~20€) and still sound fantastic.

I'm considering getting wireless for outside but since I still have 2 pairs of wired that work It's likely not happening anytime soon

Anaxii wrote:

[-Omni-] wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

Winnyace wrote:

Wireless for earphones/headphones for phones does have benefit from not having a wire if you're working out, or otherwise doing a lot of physical activity. It is convenient, but a good pair of wireless IEMs/headphones costs a lot more than a wired pair. IEMs especially can be really cheap (~20€) and still sound fantastic.

I personally hate wireless hearphones when I play video games or listen to music on my computer

Outside it's different

same here. i prob just dont mind wired in general but wireless not on computer is pretty nice

Sometimes wirless can cause the audio to be unsynced which is ANNOYING

TRUE!! like when im gaming, delays are annoying so i have everything WIRED!

[-Omni-] wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

[-Omni-] wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

Winnyace wrote:

Wireless for earphones/headphones for phones does have benefit from not having a wire if you're working out, or otherwise doing a lot of physical activity. It is convenient, but a good pair of wireless IEMs/headphones costs a lot more than a wired pair. IEMs especially can be really cheap (~20€) and still sound fantastic.

I personally hate wireless hearphones when I play video games or listen to music on my computer

Outside it's different

same here. i prob just dont mind wired in general but wireless not on computer is pretty nice

Sometimes wirless can cause the audio to be unsynced which is ANNOYING

TRUE!! like when im gaming, delays are annoying so i have everything WIRED!

Actually!!!

Anaxii wrote:

[-Omni-] wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

[-Omni-] wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

Winnyace wrote:

Wireless for earphones/headphones for phones does have benefit from not having a wire if you're working out, or otherwise doing a lot of physical activity. It is convenient, but a good pair of wireless IEMs/headphones costs a lot more than a wired pair. IEMs especially can be really cheap (~20€) and still sound fantastic.

I personally hate wireless hearphones when I play video games or listen to music on my computer

Outside it's different

same here. i prob just dont mind wired in general but wireless not on computer is pretty nice

Sometimes wirless can cause the audio to be unsynced which is ANNOYING

TRUE!! like when im gaming, delays are annoying so i have everything WIRED!

Actually!!!

my only wire problem is if it gets tangled BUT THATS IT

[-Omni-] wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

[-Omni-] wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

[-Omni-] wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

Winnyace wrote:

Wireless for earphones/headphones for phones does have benefit from not having a wire if you're working out, or otherwise doing a lot of physical activity. It is convenient, but a good pair of wireless IEMs/headphones costs a lot more than a wired pair. IEMs especially can be really cheap (~20€) and still sound fantastic.

I personally hate wireless hearphones when I play video games or listen to music on my computer

Outside it's different

same here. i prob just dont mind wired in general but wireless not on computer is pretty nice

Sometimes wirless can cause the audio to be unsynced which is ANNOYING

TRUE!! like when im gaming, delays are annoying so i have everything WIRED!

Actually!!!

my only wire problem is if it gets tangled BUT THATS IT

Everyone has this problem, don't worry lol

I just think wires look annoying and [I]unaesthetic[/i], but thats just me.

as a relationship with the company, I got a decently expensive ($1400) macbook a while ago, and the biggest problem i've had is just with compatibility. otherwise, they're perfect.

For example, I felt like getting a razer mouse (for when I need it) and the biggest issue is just not having an official version of Synapse (the software used to customize the dpi, etc.) and even then, it isn't too important. If I do need to adjust something specific one day, then there are unofficial versions which do support Mac (let alone Apple Silicon, (aka M1, M2, etc.) natively.)

I don't need ultimate customization. I don't need "full" access (I'd probably destroy the entire thing by changing a setting I was curious about its function anyways). All I need is a working computer where I don't have to get into the farthest edges of to make it more convenient or learn what [I]drivers[/I] are (eventually, but for now I dont feel like even knowing what it is).

overall, for me its just an easier-to-use product than Windows.

Notes:
as cool as Windows 11 looks, it has ads baked into the "start menu" or whatever you call it now that its at the center. No, I refuse to try windows 10. its not aesthetic enough (/s is for sarcasm, not serious)

I do own a crappy low-end Samsung from 2021, and it isn't bad, but it does feel like the performance, and ONLY the performance was cheaped out on. that's important to me for some reason, and I feel like I want to change that, so I'm saving up for an iPhone 12 mini. (also ive heard that the software experience for macOS and iOS are similar, and I like how macOS works, so thats my [I]more reasonable[/I] reason for getting one)

I also know that the price/performance on Macs is worse than most PCs, prebuilt or not, but that won't stop me as someone who doesn't do anything resource intensive (except for every once in a while) (imo)

The fact that Windows on ARM is actually coming as a type of processor available to use on Windows means that Apple Silicon and ARM desktops/laptops are a genuinely good idea that Apple popularized/created and chip manufacturers/whoever thought of the idea believe so.

I did not expect to write a 25-ish sentence essay defending Macs and Apple in general, but here I am.