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pp = competition -> competition = conflicts -> conflicts = "lol u suck noob"
no pp = no competition -> no competition = much less conflicts -> much less conflicts = "wanna play some multi m8?"

but yeah, i just said i'd like pp rankings to be removed, not like i don't have a reason to think like that or the other people don't. i know pp is going to get on again but that doesn't mean i can't say that pp is completely stupid and is a waste of developer's time
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DeathXHunter wrote:

After all there will be ppv2 hopefully,so the guys who say that the ranking should be removed just play for the fun and let the other guys discuss what should be considered in the upcoming system and not ask for removing it,lol.
I agree with you.
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wdf this.
Best Performance is only ctb maps...

CTB map + Easy = Best pp(over +100 pp)

Edit : ppv2 isn't based on osu!tp Diffculty.
and other modes(mania,CTB,Taiko) pp grows if i play exclusive maps.

Edit2 : so i don't like ppv2. just get back to ppv1.
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so what i've been spectate in the game
CTB maps is too much pp giving (especially Overdose and Rain)
so there's less (even no) converted maps (even that's hard as hell map, 0108 as example) listed on Top Performance..

so why not lightening the pp in CTB Map specified ? the comparison between converted maps (the approved ones) and CTB Maps is 3:1 (CMIIW), right ?
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Question: The new salary system is coming, we want to make it even better than the previous, what are your opinions on how our workers should be paid? What should we modify to make the system be even more fairly based on ability and hardwork?

Top paid: Remove the whole salary system. Because I like working as what I like to work as, pay is pretty much meaningless, passion is way more crucial, and competitiveness can give rise to many conflict and, so no one should receive any money at all. This is factually absolute equality, the most equal way of treating everyone.
Question answered: Do y'all want salary? What do you think of the salary system?

Average & low paid: Yes we do want to be paid, even though we still enjoy our job and lesser pay doesn't necessary make us less happy with the job, but knowing that being better at this job or being better than other workers will earn me more pay, that competitiveness drives us on, we want to be rewarded for our hardwork and abilities and enjoy meritocracy as the way it is.
Question answered: RE: Do y'all want salary? What do you think of the salary system?

Those who want everyone to be paid as fairly as possible: I think HR and DT should ... And AR of songs are more important than ...
Question answered: The new salary system is coming, we want to make it even better than the previous, what are your opinions on how our workers should be paid? What should we modify to make the system be even more fairly based on ability and hardwork?

People stick to the original question please. The author is asking what to do to make the pp system better than the previous, not whether the pp system should exist in the first place. Suggesting to remove pp is as good as suggesting to remove the grading systems in exams. For peace-loving players out there who doesn't want to be judged by ranks it's okay, you can ignore the whole system and still be able to play for your own passion. But for those competition-loving players out there who seeks the satisfaction of being better than others, they need a platform to do so, and that platform is the pp system, having it removed is removing the joy of competitive players, not having it however does not remove the joy of non-competitive players. Just like some people said you can always play as a guest and check the scores of top 50 to see if you're on your favourite songs and go online when you want to play multiplayer, you have nothing to lose. Whereas for competitive players, they still have top 50s and Chart rankings, but they lose a whole platform of pp ranking. Even though the pp system is not exact, just like everything else, it has an error range, it is generally quite accurate, and that's why the developers want to make it even more accurate to serve the community better by reducing its error range with more sound calculations of more gaming elements.

My opinion on the real question is very similar to eldnl's proposal. Except that I think FL of anything more than AR7 and 500 combos should get players a greater reward than otherwise.

Weightage of beatmap elements difficulty in CTB/What are considered in calculating map difficulty (In order of importance):

1. Circle Size (Linear)
2. Jumps quickness and consecutiveness (Exponential)
3. Jumps amounts (Linear)
4. Approach Rate (Exponential)
5. Catcher's sensitivity/movement speed (Quadratic)
5. HP drain (Logarithmic)
6. Overall difficulty (What does this actually do? Make spinners harder? I'll not rate it since I don't know)

Mods/Score multipliers (Not in order of importance):
Bonus:
1. HD (Logarithmic)
2. DT/NC (Exponential)
3. HR (Exponential)
4. FL (Exponential)
5. No mod (Linear)
Penalty:
5. EZ (Linear)
6. HT (Linear)
7. NF (Exponential)
Special:
No change

Ranking conditions:
1. Top ranks of the song achieved and not every time a person plays.
2. Retries doesn't count.
3. Failures doesn't count.
4. CTB special maps only give 10% more ranking bonus.
5. Star difficulty doesn't count.
6. Actually overall map difficulty increase pp intake exponentially.
7. A person can lose pp, but only when he/she is being pushed downwards by others (e.g. #1 taken away).
8. Accuracy matters but only linearly.
9. SS should have a 5% extra bonus above S. But SSH has no extra bonus above SS.
10. A person can gain a little bit of pp when others are ranked bellowed them (e.g. #1/500 ---> #1/1000, gain 0.1% extra pp per percentage increase in the original amount of people playing it, in this case, gain 0.2% extra pp after 1 day)
11. pp depletes linearly but very little per day, like 0.0001% every day.
12. Spinners award the same amount of reward as in ppv1.
13. Increase value of droplets from 10 points to 50 points, thus increasing its impact on accuracy value by 5 times too.

There might be other things I want to add on later, when I think of it, I'll add it in :)
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Mania Vocaloid wrote:

CTB map + Easy = Best pp(over +100 pp)

Edit : ppv2 isn't based on osu!tp Diffculty.
and other modes(mania,CTB,Taiko) pp grows if i play exclusive maps.

Edit2 : so i don't like ppv2. just get back to ppv1.
Please read the first post.

Tom94 wrote:

note that currently the Catch the Beat ranking is not functional.
To everyone else: Unfortunately I can't reply to every big suggestion post, but they all have been read and understood. I will give out more information as soon as I find the time to start working on the CtB pp.
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Please keep the discussion structured. If you are incapable to contribute in a constructive manner, your posts will be removed and penalities will be given out.
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Here he comes blocking the free speech.
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Give me back my #193 in ctb mode!!!
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I think some people in this thread are not being realistic, osu has always been a competitive game so there must be some ranking system going on
though i agree it was more fun to play without a rank since you dont carry a stigma because of your number, but by saying "disable pp" in this thread you are not contributing at all!
if you want ranks to be disabled again you should post something on Feature req like "no rank day once a month" or something?

I agree that it should be something like
approved > insane > hard
since i had the impression that with ppv1 hard maps where giving more points than insane and approved ones? and thats a bit unfair

and i think SS should be weighed since, well, its 100% and against 99,9% SS is still a better performance, but it wouldnt be fair if you got pp only when you rank SS either so something based on the accuracy you get in a map would make everyone happy if applied fairly, the more accuracy the more pp you win considering your max combo

about the score multipliers i think DT and HR should be weighed more since HD never seemed to me like a very hard-to-play mod not even in standard, to me its more like an ornament rather than a challenge but thats just my opinion
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Okay, so I didn't read all the things in the thread, so I'll just lay out things I can think of off the top of my head.

AR10 should be weighted heavier than most things, and if you have mods, even more so, because ar10 is actually like unplayable for most CtB players.
Marathon maps should be weighted a little more than they were, especially if they pass 10 minutes, and even more so if you SS/SSH it.
Difficult songs with low AR should be ranked more. Example:Asumi Kana & Fujita Saki & Kitamura Eri - COOLISH WALK (TV Size) - [Ex]
Super high CS should be weighted heavier.
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(At first, I´m sorry for my bad english)

I think the pp system, should be allowed only for players, they want to play with the system.
A lot of people arent interested in the system and the "no pp player" should be removed from the pp system. Maybe, peppy can script a question on the userpage or here https://osu.ppy.sh/p/pp. You can choose then for yourself, that you play with or not with the system.
After this, the pp ranklist should be more clearer then before.

Sure a lot of good players whould be famer then before, but fun is more important then fame.
If you want to be fame, than play scoccer, draw mangas or do something right in the world, but osu! isnt like this! Is just a game ;)
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ConanCloud wrote:

(At first, I´m sorry for my bad english)

I think the pp system, should be allowed only for players, they want to play with the system.
A lot of people arent interested in the system and the "no pp player" should be removed from the pp system. Maybe, peppy can script a question on the userpage or here https://osu.ppy.sh/p/pp. You can choose then for yourself, that you play with or not with the system.
After this, the pp ranklist should be more clearer then before.

Sure a lot of good players whould be famer then before, but fun is more important then fame.
If you want to be fame, than play scoccer, draw mangas or do something right in the world, but osu! isnt like this! Is just a game ;)
This is the best idea (that will not be considered) that I heard so far.
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I have a few suggestions that I would like to give for this system:

1. As DeathXHunter said before, SS should have less weight in the formula since it's easier to SS in Catch The Beat compared to other modes.

2. Since FL is heavily based on memorization rather than actual skill it should be weighed a bit less than no mod plays.

3. DT should have more weight overall since players can DT AR8 maps that are difficult and get little to no reward for it in the previous system. The higher the AR the more weight it should have since it doesn't cap at AR10 like HR does.

4. HD should have more weight on maps that are difficult rather than having it static throughout all maps.

5. AR10 maps should have a lot of weight since not many players in CTB can read AR10 and the maps with it are really difficult.

6. For CTB specifics, Deluge should have most weight with every difficulty level below it having less weight than the one above.

7. HR should have more weight than DT at AR7 and AR8 but should have less at AR9+ since it caps out at AR10.

8. There are maps that are considered easier to do on CTB than on standard example being Freedom Dive that should'nt be weighed as heavily on ctb due to it being mostly streams.

9. There are auto-converts that are harder than some ctb specifics that should weigh more in this case. CTB Specifics shouldn't outweigh every map just because it's a specific.

I'll give more suggestions as I think of them.
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TenguKing9 wrote:

I have a few suggestions that I would like to give for this system:

1. As DeathXHunter said before, SS should have less weight in the formula since it's easier to SS in Catch The Beat compared to other modes.

2. Since FL is heavily based on memorization rather than actual skill it should be weighed a bit less than no mod plays.

3. DT should have more weight overall since players can DT AR8 maps that are difficult and get little to no reward for it in the previous system. The higher the AR the more weight it should have since it doesn't cap at AR10 like HR does.

4. HD should have more weight on maps that are difficult rather than having it static throughout all maps.

5. AR10 maps should have a lot of weight since not many players in CTB can read AR10 and the maps with it are really difficult.

6. For CTB specifics, Deluge should have most weight with every difficulty level below it having less weight than the one above.

7. HR should have more weight than DT at AR7 and AR8 but should have less at AR9+ since it caps out at AR10.

8. There are maps that are considered easier to do on CTB than on standard example being Freedom Dive that should'nt be weighed as heavily on ctb due to it being mostly streams.

9. There are auto-converts that are harder than some ctb specifics that should weigh more in this case. CTB Specifics shouldn't outweigh every map just because it's a specific.
i Agree with this , also one more thing, a map that has no spins and you have to SS to get the pp is bs in my opinion, in other words SS no spin should not weight as much.
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TenguKing9 wrote:

7. HR should have more weight than DT at AR7 and AR8 but should have less at AR9+ since it caps out at AR10.
IMO AR10 with HR is still harder than AR10 with HD. Just because the AR doesn't increase anymore doesn't mean that it doesn't get way harder. (cause like things get further apart and the cs gets smaller)
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TenguKing9 wrote:

I have a few suggestions that I would like to give for this system:

2. Since FL is heavily based on memorization rather than actual skill it should be weighed a bit less than no mod plays.
I disagree but maybe you just misswrote or so ...
it should not give to much bonus but it should weight more than no mod, because next to memorization you still need the skill to play the map.
If you suck at a map, memorizing everything won't help you at all anyway when it comes to this mod.
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Rorona wrote:

TenguKing9 wrote:

7. HR should have more weight than DT at AR7 and AR8 but should have less at AR9+ since it caps out at AR10.
IMO AR10 with HR is still harder than AR10 with HD. Just because the AR doesn't increase anymore doesn't mean that it doesn't get way harder. (cause like things get further apart and the cs gets smaller)
Playing AR9 or AR10 with DT is incredibly difficult since it's faster than AR10 at this point. I do agree with you that HR with AR10 is harder than playing it with HD, but the point is that AR9 with DT is much harder than AR9 with HR because it is AR10.3 and you have less time to react.

bomber34 wrote:

TenguKing9 wrote:

I have a few suggestions that I would like to give for this system:

2. Since FL is heavily based on memorization rather than actual skill it should be weighed a bit less than no mod plays.
I disagree but maybe you just misswrote or so ...
it should not give to much bonus but it should weight more than no mod, because next to memorization you still need the skill to play the map.
If you suck at a map, memorizing everything won't help you at all anyway when it comes to this mod.
I meant this for low AR plays such as AR6 and below. Anything above AR7 with this mod should have a bonus like you said but not as big as per say DT or HR.
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TenguKing9 wrote:

I meant this for low AR plays such as AR6 and below. Anything above AR7 with this mod should have a bonus like you said but not as big as per say DT or HR.
okay, then it is alright
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Between DT on Ar8 and HR on Ar8 = HR Ar8 should be slightly weight more. But not that big of a difference.

By the Way I am still thinking that my opinion on a map that has no spins and you have to SS to get the pp is not good, in other words SS no spin should not weight as much.

P.s, There is many People that have opinions or that i know that have opinions, so feel free to suggest stuff, this is your time to give your opinion and make PP System Fair.
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