#2 -> #4 as you can see 4 is double the amount of 2 meaning that at a percentual level my rank dropped almost as much as yours diddedaloodak wrote:
4k# >> 12k#
gg peppy and crew -.-
Example? The system calculates their scores are worth more.Kinji wrote:
what i dun get is, how does player which has worse scores than me, performance is also not as good( not to brag), but have higher pp than me...
check their best performance scores, and beat them because you think you're better. free ppKinji wrote:
what i dun get is, how does player which has worse scores than me, performance is also not as good( not to brag), but have higher pp than me...
instead of asking about it you should provide names and examples of the scoresKinji wrote:
what i dun get is, how does player which has worse scores than me, performance is also not as good( not to brag), but have higher pp than me...
You have to get a better score than him on these maps.Kinji wrote:
click on my userpage, and this userpage. http://osu.ppy.sh/u/2621067, i have been 'stalking' his userpage to compare scores, and get btr, but my pp is always lower than him....
so basically i get btr score in this few maps, my pp will increase to the same as him? and how do i know that I have a btr score in that song than him? Thank you very much for answering my question.Plaatinum wrote:
You have to get a better score than him on these maps.
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/226839?m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/169450?m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/252000?m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/136400?m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/169090?m=0
Tom94 wrote:
Misses are penalized very strongly if you have more than just a few. Your combo relative to the maximum possible combo also plays a huge role. But you can indeed get a huge amount of pp for lower scores. A prime example would be jesus1412's C score on https://osu.ppy.sh/b/124501?m=0 . It is a 86% 500 combo with DoubleTime in case you are curious. That's an insane score on such a map, you are free to look at Auto-mode play it with DoubleTime.
SS does not have a huge bonus by itself, but due to the high accuracy required to get one (100% is quite high, eh? :p) it indirectly is worth a lot.
Accuracy is still very relevant, however not as much as in ppv1 anymore.
You wasted time farming hards and got what you deserved. Sounds pretty good.BerserQ wrote:
I wasted so much time on this game and I play so much time.. From 6k rank I'm already 18k rank. Guys I hope that ppv2 will change algorithm
it is still very possible to still get pp from C ranks. In my user profile you can see a map that i got a C on is one of my top scores (and I'm rank 9k) because its just that difficult.buny wrote:
technically you can, but the amount of speed and aim that is needed to carry the overall pp anchored by the accuracy factor is probably either on par or higher than rrtyui
since pp uses only the end results, perhaps tom could make a program that can calculate pp gained from arbitrary input values
some food for thoughtAqo wrote:
:lol: some food for thought
unlike accuracy plays where you retry a map until you get good accuracy on that map, for speed plays you usually train externally. whether it's on streamy maps like ascension to heaven that you like to play or those stream practice maps that many people uploaded, and whether it's spending a month playing with HR or simply playing a lot of jumpy maps -
in the end, when you get that "1 random play that went into my top performance. wtf. I didn't work hard for it", you did work for it and for quite some time. it's not a play you were capable of doing from your first day of playing osu, and it's not a play that the people you suddenly pass with this rank can do even if they retry it 20 times.
getting rewarded for single tries on a map doesn't mean the map is too easy and doesn't deserve its points and something-p being broken, it just means you are good enough to collect the points this map gives. If you still think a map is imbalanced in the system, call all your friends to try it too.
don't forget that each player has different strengths. a player practicing only streams all day might FC a deathstream maps and then go and say "wtf, this isn't hard took me like 2-3 tries, meanwhile pudding is crazy hard for me and doesn't give much more".
and then another player who spends most of his time on playing jumpy maps literally all day long might eventually get some high combo on a difficult jump map and go "huh, I'm getting points from this random shitty play, but this stream map is completely impossible for me even after many tries and doesn't seem to give as much points wtf?", but in the end you're just getting rewarded for what you're good at.
try to put things into perspective before writing suggestions for this system, maybe ask several other people to play the same maps as you and see how they do on them. you might be surprised at how difficult some things are to other people that look super easy to you, and how stuff you feel is impossible other people can accomplish quickly and relatively effortlessly.
ah yeah, that's whyWishy wrote:
I guess high BPM 1/2 maps still are not being properly judged by the system. This happened on osu!tp too.
You don't lose pp for a bad play unless you just did a worse play that had higher score.[Tums] wrote:
I wish that there was not only a list of your best performences, but also one for your worst. That way you aren't taken down in rank by plays that are months old that you forgot about, instead of just taking a shot at a play that looks bad, that may not be considered bad at all. (also got a new best performance ang gained 0pp. I'll just assume its a bug)
t/164057Kytoxid wrote:
It would be neat if we had a way to submit a pending map to the difficulty calculator and get a difficulty value/set of values.
1) It'll allow the players to provide more accurate feedback in fine-tuning the weightings of components of the calculator, and
2) It provides a slightly more objective measure of difficulty to discuss creating an even spread of difficulties, or if a Normal is "too hard", prior to ranking.
It was never supposed to be tp, peppy bringing Tom into this is something we had no idea about. Where did you get the idea that ppv2 was going to be identical, or even similar to tp?Kinji wrote:
well, the most unexpected thing in this new ppv2 system is that its algorithm is totally different than osu!tp....look at my profile to see the difference between my tp and pp TT^TT
Well, because when peppy says that ppv2 is going to measure the player skills, and unable to farm easily, I thought it should be something like the tp system, since it measures the speed, aim and accuracy of the player....which is closest to measuring a player skills....Draxuss wrote:
It was never supposed to be tp, peppy bringing Tom into this is something we had no idea about. Where did you get the idea that ppv2 was going to be identical, or even similar to tp?
pp already scales with map length and thus a flat multiplier on your aim points indirectly has map length scaling inside it, too.Akari- wrote:
Kytoxid wrote:
[...] only tweak i would suggest is making FL's aim bonus scale with map length instead of being a flat bonus (i don't even like FL players but this only seems fair)
Your accuracy went worse.[UsaMi] Reisen wrote:
I got None S on Tsukasa - Accelerator [Maximum]. It was my 5th Best Perfomance List.
and I got Hidden S on that beatmap today. but It deleted my Best Perfomance List.
What's going on?
Your pp literally can not drop unless you're beating old scores of yourself with scores that pp considers worse. Which rank you get on a specific map is irrelevant - the system only looks at the quality of your score and the map.Nyzashi wrote:
Well, at the first look the ppv2 made a really good impression for me.. But at the second look.. Kaykay, it's basically based on skill and stuff. Perfect so far. But... Everytime I reach a highscore on any map, including mods and stuff, my pp just DROPS down. My accuracy never is worse than 98,5%.
Playing new insane maps w/ DT and HD (rank #6) - my pp drops.
Playing new hard maps WITHOUT any mods - nothing happens.
Are you serious?.. I don't have any pleasure to play Osu! anymore, just because I feel tricked with this new system..
Even some friends of me who actually are much worse than me overtake my rank.
Conclusion: Are you serious dude? ;_;
Mkay.. Anyways. It doesn't make sense at all. It happens to me at EVERY map. I was also beating some old scores. My pp just drops down more and more. And i've just no loss anymore. I won't even try to top old scores, or download new beatmaps. Because i don't want my pp to be too scrappy e.eTom94 wrote:
Your pp literally can not drop unless you're beating old scores of yourself with scores that pp considers worse. Which rank you get on a specific map is irrelevant - the system only looks at the quality of your score and the map.