Performance Points feedback and suggestions (Standard)

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Rewben2

Tsuchimikado wrote:

Does the Top Ranks list maps that I may have gotten B's or C's on there because the map was really difficult? Or is it because I ranked in the top 1000 for that difficulty, and there weren't any maps that I had better scores on that were HARDER than the B or C I got?
It calculates how well you did on the map and the difficulty of the map in a similar way that tp does, and if the system calculates that getting a B/C on a very hard map is worth more than some of your other scores, then the ones you got B/C's on will be in your top performance. So yes, you could say it was because you didn't have any other better scores. You don't need to rank sub-1000 in a song for it to be in your top rankings, majority of my maps in top rankings aren't. As far as I know, it has nothing to do with how well you stack up against other people, it's all calculated based on the difficulty of the map, mods and how well you did.


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GoldenWolf wrote:

I think it'd be cool to have bigger values, so we could see the minor changes after playing a map
Even if we earn 1pp over 52'873, it's better than not seeing the 0.1pp over 5'287 imo
I've read that pp is whole, but I could be wrong. I would also prefer if it was like this.
thelewa

peppy wrote:

Please stop using the term "farm". It's shocking and wrong and has such a bad connotation.
as a Finnish farmer who grows potatoes I'm appalled by the misuse of this term

no potatoes for osu! players
Nines

Rewben2 wrote:

You don't need to rank sub-1000 in a song for it to be in your top rankings, majority of my maps in top rankings aren't.
Hehe. Maybe I'm just bad.

Rewben2 wrote:

As far as I know, it has nothing to do with how well you stack up against other people, it's all calculated based on the difficulty of the map, mods and how well you did.
Figured as much as this. Last thing though, you know those arrows next to ranks now? They list the amount of time from present to when you got that score. I have only seen arrows that point up. Can they point down, indicating that it negatively affects your rank (also, does that mean the arrow pointing up means that it positively influences your rank)?
thelewa
yes the arrow signifies Heaven and is a call for all of us players to thank the all-mighty God for having allowed us to loiter around and click circles
if the arrow is pointing downwards it means you've made Jehovah mad.
Rewben2

Tsuchimikado wrote:

Rewben2 wrote:

You don't need to rank sub-1000 in a song for it to be in your top rankings, majority of my maps in top rankings aren't.
Hehe. Maybe I'm just bad.

Rewben2 wrote:

As far as I know, it has nothing to do with how well you stack up against other people, it's all calculated based on the difficulty of the map, mods and how well you did.
Figured as much as this. Last thing though, you know those arrows next to ranks now? They list the amount of time from present to when you got that score. I have only seen arrows that point up. Can they point down, indicating that it negatively affects your rank (also, does that mean the arrow pointing up means that it positively influences your rank)?
I'm pretty sure you can't lose ranks from doing badly and the arrow direction doesn't mean anything, I think it's just there. I might be completely wrong though.

thelewa pls
RaneFire

Salvage wrote:

I really think that having the speed, acc and aim thing here as well will help every player to know what they lack and how to improve, since tp and pp now are really like each other whenever i want to farm pp i'd go to tp and see what gives me points and the most important thing, WHY it gives me points (high speed, aim etc) and that way i'm recognizing the 'training' i'm doing to increase my ranking. (And with this i mean we should be able to see that here too, it's not a big deal but since maps are calculated in another way here, there is a difference from what we're seeing on osutp.net and what we would be seeing here)
Just to elaborate on this.

We currently have "difficulty information" presented on the beatmap page in terms of Circle Size, HP Drain, Accuracy, Star Difficulty, etc. These aspects are not relevant to a map's difficulty so much anymore, and I would like to see more technical stats like TP's aim/speed/acc there as well. (Ok so we HAD a new bar) The new bar was useful to a certain degree, but it doesn't contain any information. What I mean is: I don't know where my skill sits on that bar... that bar needs to be related back to our pp in some way, so that players can determine maps around their skill level or slightly higher.

Now that <Insert shocking word here> is done with, new players need to be given a direction in which to improve their rank, otherwise they will continue to play as normal and never understand why they aren't ranking up, leading to more forum posts. Yes we should play for fun, but results are also important and many people play for both. This is a new system. The way of ranking up is different too.

Unfortunately the star system makes it difficult to find any appropriate maps for these players to play slightly above their level, and many just dive into the deep-end of streaming and jumping, hoping to eventually improve, even after a year. People have been doing this for a long time already... it's bad and direction is needed. The popularity of my gdoc lists is an example of how hard it is to find appropriate maps for improving.
Yabuki Nako
I can't tell if the new ranking is working fine for everyone, my previous rank was 9k, now I'm 8k (my tp rank is 11k).
I don't deserve all of them tbh.

Something is pretty frustrating with this ranking... I mean, my #10 Best Performance are so bad.
One of them is old like 8 month ago.
8 month ago is exactly when I got my tablet (my mechanical 2 month later) and I started to play the game " seriously " .
I'm feeling like I have not improving my play that much. What I did during those 8 month ?

I have to work harder ! ヽ(*≧ω≦)ノ

(And the game don't want to upload any of my plays since 48h.)

/mylife
Kinji
How do you gain pp now?
nooblet

Kinji wrote:

How do you gain pp now?
Just like before, play more and get better
Rewben2

Kinji wrote:

How do you gain pp now?
In a similar way you gain tp, you get good ranks.

If you want an actual method, look at profiles of people ranked similar to yourself and try and beat their scores, or get a similar score. This is all I've been doing and I gained 900 ranks yesterday and 600 today, and my "top performance" is pretty much filled with maps from this time. I'm not even trying hard, I've beaten some scores in 3 or less tries and gained 150 ranks for the map. Easy.
Topic Starter
Tom94
Just wanted to let you all know, that future changes to the system are now documented in the changelog.
buny
rly gud
969363565
I just don't like the ranking system.
Of course, it is impossible to create a system that makes everyone satisfied.
It's reasonable to lower the weight of flashlight, and I accept that.
My rank dropped from #999 to #6030. I'm not surprised because I actually don't have the ability of #999.

However, being a flashlight player, I can't stand that in my best performance, there are no flashlight scores but a lot of strange none records even without fullcombo. I can't stand this kind of treatment.
It is a popular system to measure players' skill, like TP, but it frustrates me.

Playing with flashlight is not only memorizing the map like a robot.
Also, no matter if the system will be changed, I'll keep playing with flashlight because I love it.
I just want to complain.
Rewben2

969363565 wrote:

I just don't like the ranking system.
Of course, it is impossible to create a system that makes everyone satisfied.
It's reasonable to lower the weight of flashlight, and I accept that.
My rank dropped from #999 to #6030. I'm not surprised because I actually don't have the ability of #999.

However, being a flashlight player, I can't stand that in my best performance, there are no flashlight scores but a lot of strange none records even without fullcombo. I can't stand this kind of treatment.
It is a popular system to measure players' skill, like TP, but it frustrates me.

Playing with flashlight is not only memorizing the map like a robot.
Also, no matter if the system will be changed, I'll keep playing with flashlight because I love it.
I just want to complain.

Tom94 wrote:

FL gives a huge bonus on maps which are hard to aim. I am tallking about a 36% increase. However if the movement of the map you played is not that complicated, then even FL won't be able to pull it up by much. I've already been considering to increase FL's bonus even further in the past, since it makes aiming so much harder.
FreshMint
<3 it
makkura
I like it more than the original pp but still there are some confusing delay of scores... I was #1112 this morning, went to get a #2 in an Insane diff no mod then I drop to 1118... shortly after I get a no mod #4 at a Hard diff and suddenly went to 1090.
Topic Starter
Tom94

makkura wrote:

I like it more than the original pp but still there are some confusing delay of scores... I was #1112 this morning, went to get a #2 in an Insane diff no mod then I drop to 1118... shortly after I get a no mod #4 at a Hard diff and suddenly went to 1090.
There are still initial bug-fixes and fine-tuning things happening. Please be patient for the next few days / weeks for it to stabilize a bit more.
Gigo
Nice ranking system Tom! I have 0 (zero (null)) complaints about it. In ppv1 I was rank 10k... when ppv2 was implemented I dropped to rank 17k, which was ok since I know I didn't deserve rank 10k. Then I played >>> https://osu.ppy.sh/s/57950 <<< on Lunatic, finished it with a decent combo (873) and although my accuracy was really bad (95%), I skyrocketed to rank 13k... just from playing one song! So, yeah, keep up the good work!
Horolynn

969363565 wrote:

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I just want to complain.
Most, if not all of your flashlight scores are apparently normal and easy maps, while the ones in top performance are insane and hard. System working as planned?
Fabi
WHY WOULD YOU DELETE MY AWESOME SCORE?????????



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