Damn, I wish I could be an HRDT(AR11 only) playerEndaris wrote:
The real secret is to not practice hard rock on easy maps like that.
Easy maps are too rhythmically predictable. They also often lack the density to give you a good reading flow which is easier to find on harder maps. This causes you to react to each note individually instead of reading the map which, indeed, can lead to screwing up your reading on regular maps afterwards.
You ease into HR by first getting good at AR9-AR9.3, then you start getting good at AR9.67 by playing a lot of AR8+DT and then at some point you can slap HR and somehow read AR10. Once you can read AR10, it's only a matter of practice for CS5.2 and OD10 to follow.
If you aren't one of those sanic people that either can read AR10 naturally for no understandable reason or started playing HRDT on everything from day one, there's next to no point to tryhard for HR.
Also, related:
Asothin wrote:
>spend whole day practicing hardrock on low star maps to improve "fUnDaMeNtAlS"
>acquire note-lock on my usual maps
>spend the entire evening unfucking my brain
>has_idea.jpg
>stops thinking
> ?
>profit
In conclusion, practice is stupid.
> Not tryharding every osu play sessionAsothin wrote:
>spend whole day practicing hardrock on low star maps to improve "fUnDaMeNtAlS"
>acquire note-lock on my usual maps
>spend the entire evening unfucking my brain
>has_idea.jpg
>stops thinking
> ?
>profit
In conclusion, practice is stupid.
Your pp system means nothing to me.Anaxii wrote:
No longer a deranker 😮Asothin wrote:
Your pp system means nothing to me.Anaxii wrote:
Cope. I don't play tourneys.Anaxii wrote:
No longer a deranker 😮
Very true. Mine is:Nanofranne wrote:
> Not tryharding every osu play sessionAsothin wrote:
>spend whole day practicing hardrock on low star maps to improve "fUnDaMeNtAlS"
>acquire note-lock on my usual maps
>spend the entire evening unfucking my brain
>has_idea.jpg
>stops thinking
> ?
>profit
In conclusion, practice is stupid.
> Not playing "oUTsiDe" your star range
> Mastering NM first before have any chance of HR'ing hard to insane maps
> Not having to unfucking my brain
> Ascended.png
> ?
>profit
In conclusion, everyone is different regarding how to play the game.
Voided will one day reach 90k in the year 2028 after he finally decides to start SSing 5* moreVoidedosu wrote:
>Play for SS's at the beginning.
>PLay for SS's through 2* to 4* and all my major milestones
> Still play for SS's to the current day?
idk, I think I veered hard into the wrong lane that went about 270 degrees away and 50 degrees down from everyone else, so.
It would be a legendary yearUPR wrote:
Voided will one day reach 90k in the year 2028 after he finally decides to start SSing 5* moreVoidedosu wrote:
>Play for SS's at the beginning.
>PLay for SS's through 2* to 4* and all my major milestones
> Still play for SS's to the current day?
idk, I think I veered hard into the wrong lane that went about 270 degrees away and 50 degrees down from everyone else, so.
It hurt how fucking accurate that sounds.UPR wrote:
Voided will one day reach 90k in the year 2028 after he finally decides to start SSing 5* moreVoidedosu wrote:
>Play for SS's at the beginning.
>PLay for SS's through 2* to 4* and all my major milestones
> Still play for SS's to the current day?
idk, I think I veered hard into the wrong lane that went about 270 degrees away and 50 degrees down from everyone else, so.
Uses default skin.Voidedosu wrote:
>Play for SS's at the beginning.
>PLay for SS's through 2* to 4* and all my major milestones
> Still play for SS's to the current day?
idk, I think I veered hard into the wrong lane that went about 270 degrees away and 50 degrees down from everyone else, so.
It's impressive because of the dedication. Only because of the dedicationAsothin wrote:
Uses default skin.Voidedosu wrote:
>Play for SS's at the beginning.
>PLay for SS's through 2* to 4* and all my major milestones
> Still play for SS's to the current day?
idk, I think I veered hard into the wrong lane that went about 270 degrees away and 50 degrees down from everyone else, so.
Doesn't even hide background.
Uses mouse.
Doesn't care about score and uses spun-out in top plays.
4+ minute maps in top plays.
1k+ hours on record.
Chad.
Being ranked 140k with this playstyle is 'a lot' more impressive than someone farming pp overweighted jump maps in 60k.
Way to undermine his achievement. If you watched ANY of his replays you would also know that he close to full alternates all of his plays. If you ever tried to alternate you would know getting high accuracy is considerably harder, and he only goes for SS.Anaxii wrote:
It's impressive because of the dedication. Only because of the dedication
I alternate. I don't really see how it's "harder" since it's easier for me to alt.Asothin wrote:
Way to undermine his achievement. If you watched ANY of his replays you would also know that he close to full alternates all of his plays. If you ever tried to alternate you would know getting high accuracy is considerably harder, and he only goes for SS.Anaxii wrote:
It's impressive because of the dedication. Only because of the dedication
Dedication doesn't even cover it. 'Only' is the last word I should expect to see before dedication of this magnitude. It is a culmination of 1,300 hours worth of playing in this style, and all you can say is that he's dedicated. Good grief.
*clarificationEndaris wrote:
Acc being harder on full alt is a myth.
Source: I'm full alt. Best acc player among my friends was also full alt.
Never had problems with 'habits'. Plenty of people who use both styles reported an accuracy drop when alting.Endaris wrote:
Well yes, that's your "fault" for starting as a single tapper and then going into hybrid.
You're going to spend more time battling your habits there than someone who opted to go full alt from the very beginning.
greentext parody and sometimes aggro on someone for opinion I would guessAnaxii wrote:
What's even the point of this thread
Nah, it's for him to farm post count.UPR wrote:
greentext parody and sometimes aggro on someone for opinion I would guessAnaxii wrote:
What's even the point of this thread
smh, post farmers these daysEndaris wrote:
Nah, it's for him to farm post count.UPR wrote:
greentext parody and sometimes aggro on someone for opinion I would guessAnaxii wrote:
What's even the point of this thread
I alted 290 hours into 13k, and i dont really feel proud of this. LIfeline was a one in a million single tapper, while everyone else regularly alts especially for streams. I dont really see why it matters which technique you start out with, since most top players end up alting in end, or using both techniques. Very rare few end up single tapping into the top 100.Asothin wrote:
Never had problems with 'habits'. Plenty of people who use both styles reported an accuracy drop when alting.Endaris wrote:
Well yes, that's your "fault" for starting as a single tapper and then going into hybrid.
You're going to spend more time battling your habits there than someone who opted to go full alt from the very beginning.
Lifeline (currently rank 2) one of the fastest improving players known for his single tapping. I have not seen this rate of improvement on someone who full alted from the beginning. Unless you know of any examples, alt appears to be objectively harder to improve with. You should be proud.
UPR wrote:
smh, post farmers these daysEndaris wrote:
Nah, it's for him to farm post count.UPR wrote:
greentext parody and sometimes aggro on someone for opinion I would guessAnaxii wrote:
What's even the point of this thread
Agreed. Not disputing this at all. My comment was on the rate of improvement.reactaleu wrote:
I dont really see why it matters which technique you start out with, since most top players end up alting in end, or using both techniques. Very rare few end up single tapping into the top 100.
Fair enough mate. It's anecdotal either way. Only way to objectively verify accuracy would likely be to pull data on the unstable rate based on playtime & style of play. Beyond the scope of this thread.reactaleu wrote:
Also, I still don't get where you're getting these results of people getting worse acc on alt. People who started off using alt has great acc when alting, while single tappers have great acc while single tapping.
I want to stress I was specifically referring to full/hybrid alt. I don't just mean bursts or streams, but also high bpm (240+) jumps and 1/2 rhythm notes as well (using alt to FC certain parts vs alting the whole map). Only reason I used Lifeline as an example is to draw a parallel to his rate of improvement suggesting it could be linked to his playstyle, where he opts to single tap high bpm jumps over alting. The story seems to be similar for others who also had great rates of improvement (favoring fast single taps and alting on streams and bursts). No doubt there will be a handful of outliers.reactaleu wrote:
In the end, it doesn't matter how you started playing, but in the long run, both are essential, although alternating is more essential than single tapping due to streams.
I do touch grass, the texture is roughAsothin wrote:
UPR wrote:
smh, post farmers these daysEndaris wrote:
Nah, it's for him to farm post count.UPR wrote:
greentext parody and sometimes aggro on someone for opinion I would guessAnaxii wrote:
What's even the point of this thread
Touch grass.
Ofc, it is a parody post. Except Anaxii couldn't help but make it personal bringing up my rank history. I retorted back with a new top play the next day to prove a point and get accused of deranking (both instances were off topic mind you). And you consider this small amount of banter "aggro"? Terminally online clown brigade came to police a 'for fun thread'.
On Topic
To spell it out. The post is meant to be a parody of generic advice. I stand by what I said. Practicing on low star maps to improve fundamentals is a trap. Not only is it not fun, I question whether it is even effective. Agree, disagree, fine by me. It's what forums are for.Agreed. Not disputing this at all. My comment was on the rate of improvement.reactaleu wrote:
I dont really see why it matters which technique you start out with, since most top players end up alting in end, or using both techniques. Very rare few end up single tapping into the top 100.Fair enough mate. It's anecdotal either way. Only way to objectively verify accuracy would likely be to pull data on the unstable rate based on playtime & style of play. Beyond the scope of this thread.reactaleu wrote:
Also, I still don't get where you're getting these results of people getting worse acc on alt. People who started off using alt has great acc when alting, while single tappers have great acc while single tapping.I want to stress I was specifically referring to full/hybrid alt. I don't just mean bursts or streams, but also high bpm (240+) jumps and 1/2 rhythm notes as well (using alt to FC certain parts vs alting the whole map). Only reason I used Lifeline as an example is to draw a parallel to his rate of improvement suggesting it could be linked to his playstyle, where he opts to single tap high bpm jumps over alting. The story seems to be similar for others who also had great rates of improvement (favoring fast single taps and alting on streams and bursts). No doubt there will be a handful of outliers.reactaleu wrote:
In the end, it doesn't matter how you started playing, but in the long run, both are essential, although alternating is more essential than single tapping due to streams.
Not questioning how essential it is in the long run. (Afaik) Lifeline also branched out his skillset to do tourneys after all, and like you said most people in the top ranks picked it up eventually.
I didn't know that G&R was slowly turning into Off-TopicUPR wrote:
greentext parody and sometimes aggro on someone for opinion I would guessAnaxii wrote:
What's even the point of this thread
With your help? I think it's possible.Anaxii wrote:
I didn't know that G&R was slowly turning into Off-Topic
OH NONONO PLEASE-Asothin wrote:
With your help? I think it's possible.Anaxii wrote:
I didn't know that G&R was slowly turning into Off-Topic
You are practicing fundamentals wrong.Asothin wrote:
>spend whole day practicing hardrock on low star maps to improve "fUnDaMeNtAlS"
>acquire note-lock on my usual maps
>spend the entire evening unfucking my brain
>has_idea.jpg
>stops thinking
> ?
>profit
In conclusion, practice is stupid.
Note lock – only after – practicing simple maps. I see no benefit in playing any simple maps. Fundamentals improve on their own with play. My time is better spent learning more complex patterns and building up stamina on maps I actually enjoy.Fxjlk wrote:
You are practicing fundamentals wrong.
If you note lock on certain maps then play simpler maps with the specific fundamental patterns you struggle with. Don't use HR...
If you are bored you are doing it wrong and you will learn nothing
Sounds like you are not fully reading your usual maps. You practice actually reading the circles and then when you switch back, you try to fully read but your reading is too slow and it causes note lock.Asothin wrote:
>acquire note-lock on my usual maps
If you play unconsciously they will not improve very quickly. You will play on autopilot and fall into old habits and your fundamentals will barely change. The whole point of the fundamentals/low star maps is to be fully aware of your reading and movements. You can see what you are doing wrong with complete clarity and correct it. Its very difficult do this while playing at your skill cap.Asothin wrote:
Fundamentals improve on their own with play.
I can read them just fine.Fxjlk wrote:
Sounds like you are not fully reading your usual maps. You practice actually reading the circles and then when you switch back, you try to fully read but your reading is too slow and it causes note lock.
Just don't make bad habits. Playing close to skill cap requires greater focus. Very unlikely I'd end up playing on "autopilot" like you confidently claim. For one, it's harder not to overtap. And more complex patterns highlight areas where technique and reading are lacking very clearly (something lower star maps seldom have). Unless you are mashing through every hard part and struggle with doubles or triples I can't see the argument for playing those maps.Fxjlk wrote:
If you play unconsciously they will not improve very quickly. You will play on autopilot and fall into old habits and your fundamentals will barely change. The whole point of the fundamentals/low star maps is to be fully aware of your reading and movements. You can see what you are doing wrong with complete clarity and correct it. Its very difficult do this while playing at your skill cap.
The correct speed to practice is at the speed/difficulty when mistakes are just appearing. Play consciously at this speed/difficulty and you can fix your reading and technique the fastest.
You're like the only person I've seen to deny fundamentals. You do realise, not being able to control your bpm is part of creating a bad habit right? most, if not all, pro players can control the rate of bpm their fingers are moving, and if you can't do simple ones because you're over tapping then you won't improve much.Asothin wrote:
I can read them just fine.Fxjlk wrote:
Sounds like you are not fully reading your usual maps. You practice actually reading the circles and then when you switch back, you try to fully read but your reading is too slow and it causes note lock.Just don't make bad habits. Playing close to skill cap requires greater focus. Very unlikely I'd end up playing on "autopilot" like you confidently claim. For one, it's harder not to overtap. And more complex patterns highlight areas where technique and reading are lacking very clearly (something lower star maps seldom have). Unless you are mashing through every hard part and struggle with doubles or triples I can't see the argument for playing those maps.Fxjlk wrote:
If you play unconsciously they will not improve very quickly. You will play on autopilot and fall into old habits and your fundamentals will barely change. The whole point of the fundamentals/low star maps is to be fully aware of your reading and movements. You can see what you are doing wrong with complete clarity and correct it. Its very difficult do this while playing at your skill cap.
The correct speed to practice is at the speed/difficulty when mistakes are just appearing. Play consciously at this speed/difficulty and you can fix your reading and technique the fastest.
Just don't make bad habits?Asothin wrote:
Just don't make bad habits.
Yes and that means you have less focus on how you are actually playing. The faster you go the less aware you are of your cursor, tapping and reading. It becomes more influenced by your muscle memory and you tend to play more like you have always played. The faster you go the less power you have to change your habits.Asothin wrote:
Playing close to skill cap requires greater focus.
Over tapping as in hitting the keys too hard, not too fast. Not a fan of EZ. Different skillset.reactaleu wrote:
You're like the only person I've seen to deny fundamentals. You do realise, not being able to control your bpm is part of creating a bad habit right? most, if not all, pro players can control the rate of bpm their fingers are moving, and if you can't do simple ones because you're over tapping then you won't improve much.
Also,in regards to reading, try playing EZ.
False equivalence fallacy. A mistake =/ bad habit. Mistakes can originate from bad habits but it could just as well be a matter of consistency.Fxjlk wrote:
Just don't make bad habits?
That's like saying just don't miss
Muscle memory is tied to tapping speed, rhythm, precision and pattern recognition. Unless you commit a map or its elements to memory you still have to read each part.Fxjlk wrote:
Yes and that means you have less focus on how you are actually playing. The faster you go the less aware you are of your cursor, tapping and reading. It becomes more influenced by your muscle memory and you tend to play more like you have always played. The faster you go the less power you have to change your habits.
If you ever miss and you don't know why, its because you were not conscious.
HAHAHAHASAnaxii wrote:
How is it false equivalence? Its impossible to never develop bad habits in the same way its impossible to never miss.Asothin wrote:
False equivalence fallacy. A mistake =/ bad habit. Mistakes can originate from bad habits but it could just as well be a matter of consistency.
If you lost focus and didn't see the mistake clearly then you are not conscious of the mistake. The reason you missed is not clear.Asothin wrote:
it's because I didn't focus my eyes on the correct part of the screen. The reason why the miss occured is still clear.
I mean, Anaxii's kinda not wrong......Asothin wrote:
Way to undermine his achievement. If you watched ANY of his replays you would also know that he close to full alternates all of his plays. If you ever tried to alternate you would know getting high accuracy is considerably harder, and he only goes for SS.Anaxii wrote:
It's impressive because of the dedication. Only because of the dedication
Dedication doesn't even cover it. 'Only' is the last word I should expect to see before dedication of this magnitude. It is a culmination of 1,300 hours worth of playing in this style, and all you can say is that he's dedicated. Good grief.
I can attest (since we spent some time in here speaking my praises) I have had MULTIPLE attempts derailed both by mistakes I couldn't anticipate and mistakes by a lull in concentration. While I still think I have a decently good ability to track whether a mistake was my fault or not, if it IS my fault it's because I started auto-piloting a pattern and missed a pattern/speed change or stopped focusing and went too fast/slow by accident. Even then, sometimes I do have mistake that are my fault but I don't see that, either due to irritation or just not looking.Fxjlk wrote:
How is it false equivalence? Its impossible to never develop bad habits in the same way its impossible to never miss.Asothin wrote:
False equivalence fallacy. A mistake =/ bad habit. Mistakes can originate from bad habits but it could just as well be a matter of consistency.
Technique you learn initially may be fine for a while but it eventually becomes a habit you have to breakIf you lost focus and didn't see the mistake clearly then you are not conscious of the mistake. The reason you missed is not clear.Asothin wrote:
it's because I didn't focus my eyes on the correct part of the screen. The reason why the miss occured is still clear.
Deranking bad__scripting wrote:
HAHAHAHASAnaxii wrote: